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KahrArmed
03-20-2015, 04:06 PM
Okay, so I just put 150 rounds downrange for the first time with the CW380. Had followed he lube guide and racked the slide a whole lot to break it in dry. I was very impressed with how easy it was to shoot, and I liked that it wasn't nearly as snappy as I was expecting (had a Walther ppk/s and it was real hard on the wrists). I had several failures to feed, round just wouldn't advance until I pulled the slide back. I am assuming it was the feed ramp which I will buff out tonight(any thoughts on this are welcome). Going to try and qualify with the gun on Sunday, so the next 50 rounds will round out the "Break-in" which I expect to actually take a couple hundred more rounds. I was right on target at 7 yards, all center of the standard silhouette, but out at 15 yards where I have to fire all 6 rounds within the 8 I was not so accurate. Several of the shots were low, so I will just have to take my time. Also had a few out of the 8 while shooting my weak hand, will just have to take my time...

Al in all, I really like the gun. easy to shoot. Will be my summertime pocket gun, which I am really looking forward to after concealing a P45 for 3 years. The P45 ill remain my every day carry at work, but weekends with cargo shorts will be dedicated to the CW380.

OH, i forgot to add that all of the rounds fired were Blazer Brass.

muggsy
03-20-2015, 08:03 PM
There are a number of things that can contribute to a round failing to chamber properly. I wouldn't be concerned until you pass the two hundred round mark. Blazer Brass doesn't use the cleanest burning powder. Clean the gun after every 100 rounds during the break-in and run the gun well lubed. A firm wrist helps to eliminate most feeding problems in the Kahr .380s.

KahrArmed
03-21-2015, 11:12 AM
Thanks Muggsy,

I agree, I am not terribly concerned at this point. I'll keep an eye on my limp wrist lol. Actually don't think that was it, was paying close attention to my grip and making sure my wrists were locked. Also, I really didn't find it hard to control at all. I'll clean it well tonight and lube it up.

KahrArmed
03-27-2015, 11:10 AM
Okay, this past Sunday I went back out to qualify and I got a 245/250 with both my 1911 and the CW380. The Kahr's grouping was actually tighter than the 5" Kimber! However, I still had the failure to feed issue. I had cleaned the gun, buffed the ramp and reoiled the gun. This happened about 4 times in the 50 round course of fire. I am trying to decide if I should just send it off to Kahr now as my appointment to modify my CCW isn't till April 20. I just don't want to waste money at the range if it is something they are gonna fix.

BEARDOG
03-27-2015, 11:37 AM
You could try lightly polishing the breech face, and extractor, and the top inside of the chamber.

I prefer to use grease for lube for most places on my guns, and be sure to lube the recoil springs and guide rod well.

May want to try some different ammo too, PMC Bronze FMJ works well in our CW380's.

KahrArmed
03-27-2015, 11:39 AM
I'll give those rounds a shot, pun intended. [emoji39]

DavidR
03-27-2015, 05:51 PM
Okay, this past Sunday I went back out to qualify and I got a 245/250 with both my 1911 and the CW380. The Kahr's grouping was actually tighter than the 5" Kimber! However, I still had the failure to feed issue. I had cleaned the gun, buffed the ramp and reoiled the gun. This happened about 4 times in the 50 round course of fire. I am trying to decide if I should just send it off to Kahr now as my appointment to modify my CCW isn't till April 20. I just don't want to waste money at the range if it is something they are gonna fix.

I would send it back but don't assume it will return to you fixed. Mine wasn't.

Higgy Baby
03-27-2015, 06:19 PM
"... I had several failures to feed, round just wouldn't advance until I pulled the slide back..."

?? makes me think it was slide locking back prematurely -IF pulling the slide back was the remedy??
I had a time with my new CT 380 locking back. In the beginning I was thinking it was a mis-feed or fail to feed...and it wasn't, it was slide locking back.
A poster on another forum gave me the fix- start at post #14... http://www.**************/forums/kahr-p380/2094-finally-got-chance-shoot-new-ct-380-a-2.html

KahrArmed
03-27-2015, 06:25 PM
Can you repost that link? The site is coming through stared out.

Higgy Baby
03-27-2015, 08:09 PM
Thats from kahr arms forum.....I don't think this forum will allow the link.
If you can go to the Kahr Armed forum and look for the thread- "Finally got a chance to shoot my new CT 380" ....start with post number 14.

BEARDOG
03-28-2015, 07:49 AM
There has been lots of info posted here on KahrTalk about "premature slide lock back" If that is your problem.

http://www.kahrtalk.com/search.php?searchid=503366&pp=

KahrArmed
04-02-2015, 08:32 PM
Okay, so I talked to Kahr support today, and described what was happening. He gave me several suggestions. The feed ramp was not one of them.
1. Limp wrist. (possibly, I'll have to keep an eye on that)
2. Thumb touching the slide lock when firing. (Possibility, checked without firing and thumbs don't seem to rest there, but will keep an eye on it)
3. Bent slidestop spring. (according to him not likely because it would happen more often, it only happened 4 times with 50 rounds)
4. Finally he suggested removing the slide, placing the sidestop in place, and looking to see if the rounds were touching it. I have done that and son't see that they are even if I try and push them towards it as I also push them up and down in the mag.

My conclusion: This is not a failure to feed issue, it is a slide lock issue. He told me those were the only things that could cause the issue of having the slide lock back prematurely.

Fix: Wrist exercises (Maybe I haven't been getting enough alone time. LOL), cut off my thumbs (making even holding the gun a challenge), Keep an eye on the spring to make suer it doesn't appear bent (it doesn't , and the slide stop fits in place nicely right under the pin).

I will upload some photos of the slide stop and rounds in the mag in a separate post.

Any further thoughts?

KahrArmed
04-02-2015, 08:35 PM
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bawdew
04-03-2015, 11:05 PM
I recently purchased a CW380 and had all sorts of jams with all sorts of ammo, including failure to feed, and slide locking back in the middle of a string. I put 200 rounds thru it and was running out of patience, time and money. I really wanted to like this gun, but it was like a single shot using certain brands! I contacted Kahr warranty and got a quick response with a Fedex mailing label. After sending in the gun I got it back in 10 days. Ever since it has functioned perfectly. They replaced the recoil springs, and polished the feed ramp a little more, and that seemed to make all the difference. Can't say enough good things about their warranty department. And the gun is awesome now! Using PMC ball ammo it shoots 2-3" groups offhand at 40'. So I say contact Kahr warranty now!

bawdew
04-03-2015, 11:09 PM
And I did all the things you did, thinking I was limp wristing it (should never be a problem as this little gun has hardly any recoil), or that my thumb was contacting the slide release lever and making sure my thumb was high and dry. I did all my contact with Kahr via email.

Had such a good experience I am looking to buy another Kahr.

Byzantine
04-14-2015, 09:21 PM
A range owner recommended that I stop shooting Win 95g in mine (I had the same issues, failures to feed) and start using 100g +P Will the CW handle 100g +P ammo? I have put close to 400 rounds through this handgun thus far

KahrArmed
04-16-2015, 10:06 AM
My understanding is that +P can damage the gun over time, it's rated for it, but the hot loads do damage and shouldn't be your plinking ammo.

jocko
04-16-2015, 03:21 PM
HAD U FOLLOWED THE PROPPER PREPPING OF UR KIAHR LISTED ON THIS FORUM, U WOULD HAVE DONE ALL THAT KAHR DID AND SOLVED UR OWN ISSUES. ASSUME NUTTING IS PERFECT. GO THRU UR NEW WEAPON, clean crude where it is not supposed to be. resmooth what looks smooth, make that first range trip a success.

Kahrs are +P rates, so if u can afford to shoot +p AMMO FOR RANGE fodder (which never made any fokking sense to me) the shoot um, as ur not gonna harm ur kahr what so ever. Theyt are built for it and will take far more of a beatig than ur hands will at a range shoot with +P ammo. Pretty damn expensive to be puncyhbg holes in papers. Find a good defene round beit +P or not and then just stick with it, and once a monthg clear yolur carry magazine of those rounds downrange and start anew.

jocko
04-16-2015, 03:25 PM
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thats two nice photos, IMO just pass on that round on the left as IMO there is just not enogh clearance withthe slide lock release button and what ur seeing with the slide off is not what is gonna really happen when the big bang thing happens. Why push the envelope, some of these ammo rounds just don't do well in kthese smallass guns, so blame the ammo maker as much as the gun maker. the magazie o te right looks great, plenty of clearance. Try corbon pwoerball ammo. Its hot andit feeds like a round nose round and it will certainly be lreliable the best fokking round made isnot worhty jack sh!t if ur gun is not totally reliable with it, so fer not, find a good round and stick with it.Its notgonna be the round as much as shot placement if u need it. that round on the left scares me, just sayin

My first kahr 380 would not feed 102 grain golden sabres, so I just change dto a round that did and stuck with it, not rocket science, u know.

KahrArmed
04-16-2015, 03:35 PM
Actually, the round on the left is the same round is the one on the right. I pushed it down so that you could see actual clearance because of the angle it wasn't apparent. But you are right about what happens during firing.

jocko
04-16-2015, 03:56 PM
Okay, so I talked to Kahr support today, and described what was happening. He gave me several suggestions. The feed ramp was not one of them.
1. Limp wrist. (possibly, I'll have to keep an eye on that)
2. Thumb touching the slide lock when firing. (Possibility, checked without firing and thumbs don't seem to rest there, but will keep an eye on it)
3. Bent slidestop spring. (according to him not likely because it would happen more often, it only happened 4 times with 50 rounds)
4. Finally he suggested removing the slide, placing the sidestop in place, and looking to see if the rounds were touching it. I have done that and son't see that they are even if I try and push them towards it as I also push them up and down in the mag.

My conclusion: This is not a failure to feed issue, it is a slide lock issue. He told me those were the only things that could cause the issue of having the slide lock back prematurely.

Fix: Wrist exercises (Maybe I haven't been getting enough alone time. LOL), cut off my thumbs (making even holding the gun a challenge), Keep an eye on the spring to make suer it doesn't appear bent (it doesn't , and the slide stop fits in place nicely right under the pin).

I will upload some photos of the slide stop and rounds in the mag in a separate post.

Any further thoughts?

premature side lock can be numerous things.

1. the ol thump thing, try shooting it left handed and see if u can duplicate it, if so, then it aint te thumb.
2. rounds hitting on the inside of the slide lock lever . That little nub might be needed of some TLC filing if ur gonna shoot 100 grin ammo.
3. that little curly spring on the side by the slidelock lever could be bent or out of adjustment, but this should duplicate often to. in the poropper preppig thread it addresses this and how to check for it.

One of those 3 is the culprit but my bet is on the thumb more than anything. that little gu jumps like a bastard when the bang thing happens and the thumb jumps right along with it, u don't see it as it happens before u even know it happened. changed ur grip style to eliminate this possability. Some peoples hands are just bigger thn these little guns can accomadte so adjustments can be made....

KahrArmed
04-20-2015, 02:01 PM
Okay, I have another range report. I just fired 50 rounds of HPR FMJ's. These rounds come in about one half of 1 mm shorter than the Blazer Brass. I continued to have premature lock back and had a range master watch me firing this time. My thumbs did not touch the slide lock and I I was not limp wristing it. On a sidenote, I also fired the H PR XTP's. They were a complete failure and all of them failed to feed. Immediately after firing at the range I stopped in and showed the gun to a gunsmith. He was not able to find any issues with the slide lock spring, or the bullets potentially hitting the slide lock. He suggested sending it back to Kahr. I spoke with Kahr over the phone and I will be sending it back to them ASAP. The guy that I spoke to was an incredibly helpful, I was a little bit unsure about how I needed to pack the firearm in order to ship it and he was very forthcoming on giving any advice. Hey give me a confirmation number and told me to ship it either FedEx or UPS. I wish that he had offered to send me a shipping label like others have said they have done. Unfortunately, today is the day that the gun is being added to my CCW. What a bummer.

KahrArmed
04-20-2015, 02:24 PM
Now, I am just a bit pissed. Just got off the phone with Kahr again, and they are telling me they don't cover the cost of shipping to them under the warranty. So, not only have I just spent $25 for additional rounds to test them, and $18 at the range, I have pay at least that to Fed Ex or UPS the gun (they said it has to be overnight) to them. I have officially become disillusioned with Kahr. Out of the box, the gun is not working properly, I have to pay to test and then sip it back to them to get a properly working firearm? That is a load of bull!

jocko
04-20-2015, 02:38 PM
Now, I am just a bit pissed. Just got off the phone with Kahr again, and they are telling me they don't cover the cost of shipping to them under the warranty. So, not only have I just spent $25 for additional rounds to test them, and $18 at the range, I have pay at least that to Fed Ex or UPS the gun (they said it has to be overnight) to them. I have officially become disillusioned with Kahr. Out of the box, the gun is not working properly, I have to pay to test and then sip it back to them to get a properly working firearm? That is a load of bull!

that is pure unadulterated BULL SH!T. They will and have 95% of the time paid for return. call again, ask for Jy and state ur case and ask politily for afree pick up of your gun. Take no for an answer but be polite. explain all u have done and tried and the cost involved to be getting u no where etc. keep us posted.

KahrArmed
04-20-2015, 02:40 PM
Is that Jay, or Jy? Which option should i choose? Tech support, or is there a customer service line?

jocko
04-20-2015, 02:43 PM
Now, I am just a bit pissed. Just got off the phone with Kahr again, and they are telling me they don't cover the cost of shipping to them under the warranty. So, not only have I just spent $25 for additional rounds to test them, and $18 at the range, I have pay at least that to Fed Ex or UPS the gun (they said it has to be overnight) to them. I have officially become disillusioned with Kahr. Out of the box, the gun is not working properly, I have to pay to test and then sip it back to them to get a properly working firearm? That is a load of bull!

It would have been nice if the range master was aksed to shoot ur gun, if he can duplicate than u have eliminatged shooter error. any chance of doing that befrore packing it up and sendi it back.

I must admit I hae shipped may a handgun back to smitty's UPS and when packed in a large box and ask what it was , I just say a broken high speed hole punch. fokk UPS. U never want to address a gun to a place like ol jocko' submachine gun shop, but just ol jocko and the addfress. If u notice kahrs has their address K. A.. Did I mention fokk UPS, theiur just gonna rip u off for aboutr 50$ to send it back, as best if kahr refuses u could ask them to pick up ur gun on their dime and to bill you for the cost, as it is far far cheaper for them to do that then u or I. Did I say fokk UPS?? Just sayin

I did not have sex with that woman and what difference does it make. Theo famous quites from the same family... Just sayin

KahrArmed
04-20-2015, 05:01 PM
Called and talked to Jay and he emailed me a shipping label.

HAP1978
04-21-2015, 12:23 AM
I know this is really off topic but I have to give a shout out to Higgy Baby. That is one of the best TV shows ever. Can still watch it all the time and it never gets old, nothin like the classics.

By the way my CW .380 should be here this week and will give everyone a range report.

KahrArmed
04-21-2015, 10:13 PM
Fed Ex got the package today, I will let you know how the process progresses.

Armybrat
04-21-2015, 10:32 PM
Hope they get it fixed.

Guess I've been lucky with my 3 Kahrs, a bunch of Rugers & S&Ws - never a bad one.

yqtszhj
04-22-2015, 03:30 AM
I must admit I hae shipped may a handgun back to smitty's UPS and when packed in a large box and ask what it was , I just say a broken high speed hole punch. fokk UPS.... Did I mention fokk UPS, theiur just gonna rip u off for aboutr 50$ to send it back... Did I say fokk UPS?? Just sayin


I can relate to that scenario. Been there, done that.

SlowBurn
04-22-2015, 11:11 AM
Called and talked to Jay and he emailed me a shipping label. That's the way to get it done. :phone: instead of :target:

KahrArmed
04-30-2015, 10:29 PM
Well, got it back today, they say "Inspected firearm - reworked extractor port and slide stop - new extractor rear pin - lubed and test fired (25) rounds, ok"

We'll see, I'll try and get out and fire it soon and let you guys know.

KahrArmed
06-21-2015, 04:03 PM
Wow, I have had the gun back for two months and I haven't been able to get out and shoot it until today! I was so Excited and I bought two boxes defense rounds to test out in the gun along with a box of HPR FMJ. The results are in, and they are not good. The slide is locking back more now than it was before Kahr "fixed" it, and now I am having a new problem, the last round doesn't completely chamber. I don't know what to do. I am expecting Kahr to tell me to pound salt when I tell them that I need them to look at at and actually fix it and not break it further. I have about 350 rounds through it and it is just getting more unreliable. Argh! I am trying real hard not to jump in with all the people who say that Kahr's are unreliable, but I don't know what to do.