Sold my CM9, what now?

[Matt_417]

This morning I had 3 Kahrs. Had 1 CM9, 1 Cw380, and 1 P380. Decided to put the 2 Cs up for sale and have already gotten rid of the CM9. Now I need a primary carry weapon with a similar feel and grip angle. I sold all my glocks a year ago after a long love affair and being able to work on them proficiently after finding that M&Ps point more naturally since owning Kahrs. All my handguns must draw and point similarly. I shoot fast and well but don't have any desire to draw only to find my muzzle pointing up or down.

Now I am looking for a striker fired compact 9mm with a similar grip angle to Kahr or my M&P Pro. My logical choices are Shield, M&P9C, or PM9. Am I missing anything? I'm really leaning towards one of the S&Ws just becauce I kind of like that flavor.

I appreciate your opinions.

Matt

[smokersteve]

The Glock 43

[DavidR]

I sold my CM9 and bought a Shield. It was the right decision for me. The Kahr was great and performed flawlessly but was just too big for me to pocket carry so I downsized to a 380 for pocket and upsized to a Shield for my single stack 9mm. The Shield is a little bigger (I can get a full 3 finger grip on it), has an extra round of capacity and just feels good in my hand.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d33/David-R/AE9DF0E4-9320-4219-A51E-89A425B5BA53_zpsut6e7at5.jpg (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/David-R/media/AE9DF0E4-9320-4219-A51E-89A425B5BA53_zpsut6e7at5.jpg.html)

[Matt_417]

I sold my CM9 and bought a Shield. It was the right decision for me. The Kahr was great and performed flawlessly but was just too big for me to pocket carry so I downsized to a 380 for pocket and upsized to a Shield for my single stack 9mm. The Shield is a little bigger (I can get a full 3 finger grip on it), has an extra round of capacity and just feels good in my hand.

Very similar to my story. I kept all three in my CC rotation but the P380 fits much better in my pocket especially since I'm in construction. I carried a GLOCK 23 for years and the size rarely bothered (didn't carry it at all at work) me so I'm thinking about the M&P9C but leaning slightly towards the Shield.

smokersteve (http://www.kahrtalk.com/member.php?13922-smokersteve)- No more GLOCKs. I've shot em since the 90's. I'm moving towards a more universal grip angle.

[Armybrat]

I fail to see what the Shield's advantage is over the CW9. The Smith is longer, taller, & thicker than the Kahr, plus it is several ounces heavier.

As for aesthetics, the Kahr is a sleeker, better looking pistol. Some makers, like S&W, Glock, Sig, H&K, are trying too hard with the ugly "industrial look". But hey, it's just a matter of personal taste I guess.

[marcinstl]

you didn't say anything about it has to be the smallest or lightest 9mm. probably would like a single action/striker fired trigger? check out the Walther PPS and the newer CCP.
if you kind of like the idea of a DA trigger for the first shot, take a look at the DA/SA, alloy framed CZ's compacts or subcompacts. other than a couple of pistols I enjoy taking to the range, I'm selling off my carry pistol collection and going to revolvers. revolvers fit my hand, draw and point better for me. good luck, have fun shopping.

[Alfonse]

You did not mention the MK Kahrs, or P and K series if you want something bigger. For double stack, I also like the CZ options. A PCR is a very nice carry piece and points perfectly for me.

[DavidR]

I fail to see what the Shield's advantage is over the CW9. The Smith is longer, taller, & thicker than the Kahr, plus it is several ounces heavier.

As for aesthetics, the Kahr is a sleeker, better looking pistol. Some makers, like S&W, Glock, Sig, H&K, are trying too hard with the ugly "industrial look". But hey, it's just a matter of personal taste I guess.

For concealed carry I agree, smaller is better but longer, taller, thicker and heavier combined with a shorter trigger pull mean I shoot the Shield better. I owned a CW9 - another great gun that performed flawlessly. I would definitely consider another one, or a K9. :)

[Pointblank]

Walther PPS

[marcinstl]

here's a bunch of Walther CCP videos. Bill over at the "Harley45acp" channel must have fallen in love with this gun. (Bill isn't the gun salesman that Hickok45 is, please bear with him.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_Kbs2LQZ2I as long as your over there, here's what I want for christmas, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOUBQT9EJtA

[berettabone]

Pm9............................................... ..............................................

[JGIORD]

I don't understand the logic of selling the CM9 to move to the PM9. There isn't much of a difference. If you are looking for a more substantial feeling gun than the CM9 but still small then look to the MK9.

Another option which provides a smooth short trigger pull is the new Sig 320SC, but it is larger than a G26 and heavier. To me the Walther PPS is too similar to the G19 \ G26 and I prefer the Glocks.

I never warmed up to the S&W M&P line. I don't like that hinged trigger.

Good luck in your search

[berettabone]

I don't understand the logic of selling the CM9 to move to the PM9. There isn't much of a difference. If you are looking for a more substantial feeling gun than the CM9 but still small then look to the MK9.

Another option which provides a smooth short trigger pull is the new Sig 320SC, but it is larger than a G26 and heavier. To me the Walther PPS is too similar to the G19 \ G26 and I prefer the Glocks.

I never warmed up to the S&W M&P line. I don't like that hinged trigger.

Good luck in your search

I agree with your opinion about the M&P line................nasty triggers.................I suggested a PM because he wanted to carry...........can't figure out why he sold the CM:D I would have suggested an MK, but they seem a bit heavy for most..................I carry an MK.......................it's hard to find a firearm to replace a Kahr, and accomplish what the Kahr does, mostly the size issues.:)

[hardluk1]

Do you want a single stack or double stack , a max weight or width. ?? Want another single stack , kahr cw or ct series , several 1911 designs from numerous makers . Buy a M&P you will invest in at least a striker block change from apex. Get out there and handles some brands and make notes on how a they feels . Try a pt111g2 for good low cost CC or cz compact and sub compacts , sig 250 and 320 compact or sub compact . Guess you should have thought more on a new CC before losing all your handguns . Maybe its time for a snubby revolver .

Its your problem to figure out . I CC'd one hand gun for 20 years .

[getsome]

I traded in a spare Smith 642 J frame for a Sig 290rs last week....Went in wanting to trade for a PM9 but he didn't have one...The Sig is a little heavy but the thing is built like a tank....It fits the holster I use for my PM40 which I almost never shoot any more and the Sig is very accurate and a soft shooter and comes with factory night sites....It feels more like a MK9 in the pocket due to it's 20 oz weight but after a while I stopped feeling it....Out of the box the trigger was kinda rough but 200 rounds and some dry fire smoothed it out real nice...The pistol is very Kahr like with no safety and a long revolver like trigger pull...So for I like it for a pocket 9mm although I still want a PM9 someday...

[khoff2]

Honestly, I've been through the same dilemma, but find the CM9 to be the perfect balance of conceal-ability, fire power and size.

[340pd]

I have a PM9 and a Shield. The PM9 is obviously much smaller and is truly a pocket gun. The Shield with the addition of a $50 Apex sear will have a magnificent trigger.

Your decision will come down to what type of trigger system suits you best. Long slow DA (Kahr), typical striker fired (Shield, Glock) , or a Single action only 1911 (small Sig or the like).

I agree on the natural point-ability of the Glocks. I added a Grip Force Adapter to get my G19 to finally point on target for me. Once I figured that out, I really have grown more fond of that firearm, and it gets carried much of the time.

[marcinstl]

seeing the name 340pd reminded me of another gun you could love and hate. http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_775003_-1_757912_757910_757787_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y that's the DA/SA version with hammer. at pocket sized and 11oz. you'll love to carry it. at 11oz. and .38spl +p, not to mention, .357mag, you'll hate to shoot it. real S&W pain machine. but, you carry a gun for years and never need it. if you do need it, it works.
probably want the heavier, all steel, Model 60 for plinking and practice.

[thelawless1]

Pm9............................................... ..............................................

Agreed!


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[b4uqzme]

Agreed!
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Back when Matt had a CM9 I never would have recommended a PM9. But now that he's sold the CM,.................PM9 baby! Nothing else makes sense! :cool:

[Matt_417]

Hey guys,
I wasn't able to log back in until now. Lots of great suggestions and commentary. I looked hard for a PM9, or one of the K models. No PPSs could be found locally either.
I ended up putting money down on a Shield in 9mm without the thumb safety. It was one of those heat of the moment things. I got it for $388.55 but I'll probably wait to pick it up until I sell my CW380.
After I put that money down I went another location and found a used P9 for about 450. I may put some cash on it too and see which I like better.
Normally I know what handgun I want and then I go find it. This has been different.

As for the hinged trigger on the Shield, Im not a fan. I will install an Apex trigger. I'm much happier with Apex because of the familiarity with GLOCKs.

Thanks

[Matt_417]

For anyone interested, I took a picture of why I sold all my GLOCKs. I've carried my Kahrs more than anything but have sent more lead downrange with GLOCKs. I have had a fat M&P PRO 40, 5" for quite a while now. There's a problem with GLOCK grip angle. The M&Ps are very similar to our beloved Kahrs. Its Friday night and I've had some rum and cant type right so consider this a drunk post. Anyhoo, I drew my P380 in a defensive manner today. An alarm went off at the office today and it showed one of the furthest offices. I was with a prior service Marine buddy so our tactics were similar but slightly askew. I happened to have a tiny streamlight flashlight on me and he was blind and unarmed. It was a rush pieing corners and maintaining muzzle awareness when he crossed me an me keeping my trigger finger indexed on the frame. It's been a while since I've done all that but I couldn't believe how all my years as a grunt doing battle drills came right back. As an AAR (After Action Review) my only 2 mistakes were I put my finger on the trigger for a brief moment and I should have hit the release on my EDC bag to get a little more unencumbered. I'M sure there's more but you can imagine. It was pretty ninja
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8728/16763376230_23b1b2a642.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/rxjFJ7)20150327_201247 (https://flic.kr/p/rxjFJ7) by blaine_adam (https://www.flickr.com/people/29294987@N07/), on Flickr

I apologize again for being fairly saused. The weapon was of course cleared an that picture was taken before the sausing.

[b4uqzme]

Good idea. "Cheers".

[rocketgeezer]

Agreed!


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Agree also

[rocketgeezer]

Had been carrying a TCP for pocket, but wanted a 9mm got a great deal on the PM, a little bigger than the Taurus but feels fine with all but a real tight pair of pants

[twowheels]

I sold my CM9 some time ago, after far too many FTRBs with it. I bought a no safety shield and with the full apex bits, a talon grip and blacking out the rear dots its great. Its accurate, feels great in the hand, carries nicely IWB and OWB and is absolutely stone cold 100% reliable.

I've also somewhat recently picked up an H and K VP9 and its also a fantastic, ergonomic, 100% reliable and accurate firearm.

[ltxi]

Whut's FTRB?

[OldFatGuy]

Whut's FTRB?

Failure to Return to Battery? Just a wild guess.

[twowheels]

failure to return to battery of course.

[ltxi]

failure to return to battery of course.

Ahhh...how stupid of me. :2rolleyes:

[DM123]

I have a PM 9. It is my favorite Spring/Fall pocket carry. My hot summer/shorts/t-shirt carry is a P380 or a S&W Airweight .38.

What I've found is my PM 9 likes ammo to the short side of SAMMI specs, 1.120 or less (SAMMI minimums are 1.000). Mine is very reliable if cleaned after 50 or so rounds. If I let it go more, I'll get a failure to feed about 1 in 20 rounds. These are with my reloads. I have to clean the magazine after a couple hundred rounds as well.

My concealed carry loads are Hornady 115 gr FTX critical defense. I practice with reloads but carry factory ammo. The recent lawsuit out West where victims tried to sue the ammo manufacturer really drove this point home.

[hardknocks1]

The ccp isn't getting very much love over on the walther forum.
So you sold at CM 9 and now you are considering a PM9?
Sounds like you just like to buy guns I seem to have the same problem!
hope you find a keeper as I have found an few.
since you know the trigger consider the K9
Good luck in your search.

[rocketgeezer]

I have a PM 9. It is my favorite Spring/Fall pocket carry. My hot summer/shorts/t-shirt carry is a P380 or a S&W Airweight .38.

What I've found is my PM 9 likes ammo to the short side of SAMMI specs, 1.120 or less (SAMMI minimums are 1.000). Mine is very reliable if cleaned after 50 or so rounds. If I let it go more, I'll get a failure to feed about 1 in 20 rounds. These are with my reloads. I have to clean the magazine after a couple hundred rounds as well.

My concealed carry loads are Hornady 115 gr FTX critical defense. I practice with reloads but carry factory ammo. The recent lawsuit out West where victims tried to sue the ammo manufacturer really drove this point home.How many rounds in total would you say has gone through the gun? also have you stripped the slide or just done field strip cleaning? I'm asking because I just purchased a PM9 this past Friday in fact, run about 1/2 a box of range ammo when I picked up the gun had minimal light strike issues, this continued sat about 200 rds sat also the gun wanted nothing at all to do with Tula ammo, but it also had issues with several different brands of brass, sat night I was doing some research, and found that the PM/CM9 needed to have the firing pin channel and its parts clean and dry NO OIL, I questioned this, and then thought what the hell since I was ready to trade it off anyhow, what could it hurt to try, so clean and dry it was, just a couple drops on the slide and trigger parts, yesterday my granddaughter and I ran 350 rds through it in one extended session, no cleaning nothing, about 50-60 rds into the run it had one misfire, not sure what brand of ammo this was but I had 4 different names of brass with me along with a bag of the ranges reloads, get home strip it down, clean and assemble, ran a mag full of known good steel I think it was monarch, a mag of aluminum, and some of my favorite hollow points, O problems, so I guess I have a new pocket bug, it replaces a Taurus 738 (380)

[twowheels]

Ahhh...how stupid of me. :2rolleyes:

I made no reference to anyone's intelligence. All I meant was that it is a very common acronym frequently used on handgun forums.

[hardluk1]

I see guys once in a while show up at a range with a brand new right from the store handgun and they find out it will not run well. Why do people do that. take it home , clean it , dry what needs to be dry and lube what needs to be lubed . Then go shoot it but use very good ammo . Leave the cheap I wonder if this junk will work ammo for a couple hundred rounds down the road and always have a quality brand to aid with trouble shooting like lawman ammo in a 124gr load . I have bought 2 brand new handguns and one that as prepped but using bad ammo or bad shooting skills over a 8 years at a forestry range from ticked off owners .

My cleaned and wet cm9 went thru its my same 400 round breakin and 100 rounds sof HP ammo with no problems and no recleaning or lubing and runs . Carry ammo was Georgia arms 124gr +P gold dots now underwoods same GD +P load with around 1750 total rounds fired and zero problems mostly reloads . Slick little pistol and one of the smoothest racking I have .

[ltxi]

I see guys once in a while show up at a range with a brand new right from the store handgun ................ Why do people do that.................

I've done that with a couple/few guns. My most used LGS is 20some miles from home, has an indoor handgun range, and offers range time with purchase. Also have let me take the gun out and run it while the paper is pending on a bit longer than usual state background check. Decent quality gun that looks/feels okay and isn't dry, I'll do it. If something's a bit off...well, I don't up front hold it against it and nice bit of info to have for when I do get it home and first take it down.

[DavidR]

I've done that with a couple/few guns. My most used LGS is 20some miles from home, has an indoor handgun range, and offers range time with purchase.

Me too, free range time with purchase means I go right from the sales counter to the firing line. I did this with 2 LCPs and a Shield 9mm. All three guns functioned perfectly.