Remington rumors?

[marcinstl]

Remington is supposed to reintroduce the R51, all new and improved, the next great carry 9mm?
Remington bought out what was left of Rohrbaugh and is going to produce that pistol for pocket carry fans?

[muggsy]

http://www.remington.com/pages/news-and-resources/press-releases/2014/firearms/remingtonr51pistolproductupdate.aspx

[berettabone]

It's a good thing for them to do, as far as their customers..................still doesn't interest me, on a firearm level. Looks interesting, just wouldn't want one. Too many 9mm choices out there.............

[Armybrat]

Last year some of the guys on the 1911 forum said Remington replaced their lemon R51s with new R1 1911s. I'd be down for that swap.

[SlowBurn]

Interesting they're sticking with it despite the PR disaster. They must really believe that idea and design. Risky.

[Bawanna]

Last year some of the guys on the 1911 forum said Remington replaced their lemon R51s with new R1 1911s. I'd be down for that swap.

I love my R1. We'll be pards for a long long time.

[hardluk1]

I'm one that got a R1 as a replacement for a R51 and when it came in it was traded toward another make right away . NO more freedom group/remington outdoors products coming to my home . Quality has slipped to far for me to mess with again . Now they selling whats always been a over price 380 just with there name on it and the rehashed r51 that may or may not get released to market one day . Still release date on it . Besides at 22oz for a single stack you have to many other choices out there all lighter .

[b4uqzme]

Interesting they're sticking with it despite the PR disaster. They must really believe that idea and design. Risky.

Maybe they'll get it right this time. Hope so. I was attracted to their "easy to rack" claim. I guess it might get back on my radar if it ever gets released and proves reliable.

[b4uqzme]

I'm one that got a R1 as a replacement for a R51 and when it came in it was traded toward another make right away . NO more freedom group/remington outdoors products coming to my home . Quality has slipped to far for me to mess with again . Now they selling whats always been a over price 380 just with there name on it and the rehashed r51 that may or may not get released to market one day . Still release date on it . Besides at 22oz for a single stack you have to many other choices out there all lighter .

You are probably right hardluk1. I guess it's no surprise that Freedom Group cannot maintain Remington quality. Too bad.

[CJB]

I see there is no recall, but anyone with a first production can change their R51 for a new production. Hmmm.

Personally, I'd love to see it in .45, but that probably aint gonna happen.

[gunmut]

I bought one the 1st gen R51, mine works fine but I am sending it back for the new production....extra mags and a nice pelican box!

[deadeye]

I know they had trouble with the R51 and I've heard about Remington's other problems. (Heard it on the internet so it has to be true.) In spite of it all I bought one of their AR15's 2 years ago as a challenge to see if I could fix what was wrong with it. Haven't touched it. Top notch quality and not a single problem after many rounds. Hmmm????

[hardluk1]

Spend some time looking at the corporate layers of freedom group, not that should be Remington out doors that's owned by Cererbus capital investment and even a blind man can see why there are quality control issues with end all the firearm related companies . They have become to large and quality always suffers when that happens .

deadeye . With what ever company name you care to use owns DPMS and Bushmaster if they can't manage to build a functional re-badged AR15 they should be out of business. After all its not like its hard to build a AR at home from a box of mixed manufactured parts and have a reliable AR firearm .
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I have no doubt people will still buy cererbus, freedom, remmy outdoors own products . I just won't be in that group any. My only other remmy I own is a 1976 788 rifle I bought new .

[deadeye]

Yep, they sure will. I saw on the news the other day that Remington had an excellent sales year. Colt went bankrupt for the second time in two years. Life is sure puzzling isn't it. And yes I will be a repeat customer. But, then again, Kahr catches a lot of hell on the internet. I love 'em. I guess that makes me part of the uneducated, uninformed masses. :p

[SlowBurn]

Spend some time looking at the corporate layers of freedom group, not that should be Remington out doors that's owned by Cererbus capital investment and even a blind man can see why there are quality control issues with end all the firearm related companies . They have become to large and quality always suffers when that happens.

Not always. Even the biggest company can have a real commitment to quality. Apple might be the biggest corporation in the world now yet my Apple products are probably the highest quality electronics I own. But I take your point about Remington.

[deadeye]

I always do my homework and am totally aware of Freedom Group and Cerberus Capitol Investment. I am not concerned with a company's size or their management structure. I am concerned that I get quality when I spend my hard earned money and that is what I got. My CM9 is quality and so is my DPMS. They have both performed flawlessly for a number of years. If some haven't, I am sorry for them but I make my own opinions. By the way. Do you own any General Electric equipment? Ford? GM? Microsoft? Apple? Most of us do whether we like it or not.

[hardluk1]

deadeye The driving force behind freedom group or remington outdoors it CERERBUS capital investment . There not gun guys . NO we don't own any of those companies products except for microsoft and they are computer folks so whats the point . They are computer folks first and last . !! very different from cererbus .

Like you I'm just stating my view on Remington. Oh how many rounds have you run threw that R51 you think so much of . Anyhow , good luck with the replacement you may go for .

[marcinstl]

Update!----
It seems the branding death march continues at Freedom Group, as more and more of the smaller brands under the Remington umbrella are killed off and merged with Big Green proper. The latest casualty is Para USA, a 1911 handgun manufacturer known for competition handguns and good quality products. In a press release this morning, Remington announced that Para USA will no longer exist as a separate brand, and their products will be sold under the amalgamated Remington branding instead."

well, there goes that double stack fantasy.

[jocko]

Update!----
It seems the branding death march continues at Freedom Group, as more and more of the smaller brands under the Remington umbrella are killed off and merged with Big Green proper. The latest casualty is Para USA, a 1911 handgun manufacturer known for competition handguns and good quality products. In a press release this morning, Remington announced that Para USA will no longer exist as a separate brand, and their products will be sold under the amalgamated Remington branding instead."

well, there goes that double stack fantasy.

hate to hear that about Para. I owned a Para carry 9 and loived the trigger system, b ut the gun was not reliable, 3 trips b ack to Para with no luck and then the finish just started to flake off,. I hated it as I really wante dfto cuddle up to that 1911 style double action but NO DICE

Mark my words KAHR will come out with a double stack sooner than later..

[Bawanna]

I'm sorry to hear that as well. I have 3 Para's and love them all, never an issue.

Para really has dropped the ball the last decade or so. Got away from stainless and had funny colored guns with lousy finish.

They had a good product and they went to change things around and down the toilet it went. I'm told you can't get parts hardly anymore and the product line shrank considerable.

Doubt Remington will do anything with them, I do like the LDA trigger system but even Para kind of left that behind of late too.

[b4uqzme]

^^^ my LDA is at the factory for repair. I kinda wonder of I'll ever see it again. Glad I took the Bawanna grips off before I sent it. Colonel, if it never returns, can you whittle me a new gun to put those grips on?

[Alfonse]

^^^ my LDA is at the factory for repair. I kinda wonder of I'll ever see it again. Glad I took the Bawanna grips off before I sent it. Colonel, if it never returns, can you whittle me a new gun to put those grips on?

If it is one of the 3.5 inch single stack, Companion Carry 7.45 I believe, I'll work out a deal on the grips if the gun doesn't come back. I have one just like the Colonel's. I really like that gun. They put new night sights on it for free last year. It came back, at least the slide did anyway.

I should have a different set of grips for you in a week or so anyway!

[b4uqzme]

I should have a different set of grips for you in a week or so anyway!

Yay!

p.s. Mine's a 6.45

[Bawanna]

Yay!

p.s. Mine's a 6.45

That's the one. Nice little gun. Hope you get it back.

[marcinstl]

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_876/products_id/411539728
ah ha, double stack dreams are up and running again, thanks Rock Island.

[yqtszhj]

Armscor (Rock Island) started making some of Para's GI models several years ago. 2011 I believe it was. I wonder if they got rights to Para's doublestack somehow? It could be be their own thing though I guess. I think I might want one.

[Armybrat]

It annoyed me considerably when Springfield Armory dropped their GI 1911 line, which included a double stack .45ACP. Wouldn't mind havin' one of those to play with.

Read where Remington has moved their R1 production to the new Birmingham, Alabama factory. The NY made R1 I bought last Fall was pretty good quality for a "low end" 1911, so hopefully the new ones will at least equal them. I'd consider getting one for myself (gifted the first one to my landman in North Dakota).

[marcinstl]

Armscor (Rock Island) started making some of Para's GI models several years ago. 2011 I believe it was. I wonder if they got rights to Para's doublestack somehow? It could be be their own thing though I guess. I think I might want one.

from what I can find out, so far, the Armscor (RI) and the Para use the same Mec-Gar mag. it's just a fat handled 1911, everything else same. I'm looking at the cheap one, additional parts would come latter. Armscor uses late model cnc machines and they cast the lower and machine the upper, everything inside is mim, so even thou it looks like an old black 1911, ya got to believe in technology.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCfUd7ZEOjg the trigger and hammer on my mdl.36 S&W seem to be holding up.

[marcinstl]

no buyers for Remington, Cerberus trying to get out---
http://www.guns.com/2015/05/18/unable-to-sell-remington-cerberus-will-let-investors-cash-out/
for sale, gun company with lawsuits.....

[warbird1]

I'm one that got a R1 as a replacement for a R51 and when it came in it was traded toward another make right away . NO more freedom group/remington outdoors products coming to my home . Quality has slipped to far for me to mess with again . Now they selling whats always been a over price 380 just with there name on it and the rehashed r51 that may or may not get released to market one day . Still release date on it . Besides at 22oz for a single stack you have to many other choices out there all lighter .
Absolutely nothing wrong with the R1. Excellent 1911.

[b4uqzme]

That's the one. Nice little gun. Hope you get it back.

Well happy day! The LDA came back from Para today all fixed and completely covered under warranty. Mind you it's a 2001 built-in-Canada model but Para had no issues honoring the lifetime warranty. I'm not sure where to give the credit: Para, Remington or Freedom Group, but I have no complaints with any of them. Actually, with all the stuff they have going on right now, I'm pretty impressed they had time to take care of my 14 year old pistol.

You can stop whittling that frame Colonel...you're off the hook! :)

[Bawanna]

Color me massively relieved. It really wasn't going well at all.

All three of mine are that vintage too, last one perhaps a bit newer but not much.

[getsome]

Glad you got it back there b4uqzme....I know that feeling....I sent my M&P slide to Trijicon for night sights a few years ago and several weeks went by then 2 months and Trijicon kept saying they shipped it USPS and had the tracking numbers and all...Called the post office and they were less than no help and said they delivered it several weeks back so I was about ready to cough up a couple hundred bucks on top of the buck fifty the night sights cost for a new slide when lo and behold the thing showed up one day with stickers all over it...The slide was delivered alright but to the wrong address...I lived at 6204 and it went to 6402 so the mail man was dyslexic and the neighbor at 6402 was nice enough to give it back to the mailman who had it shipped back to Trijicon as undeliverable....Trijicon was nice enough to call me and verify my address was correct so the second attempt got it to me.... Gotta love the USPS

[marcinstl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIFMDTiujl0
still don't know where Remington is as a company. here's a teaser video on the Remington/Rohrbaugh .380 (http://remingtonhandguns.com/rm380)

[zaitcev]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIFMDTiujl0
still don't know where Remington is as a company. here's a teaser video on the Remington/Rohrbaugh .380 (http://remingtonhandguns.com/rm380)

What do you know, it's November and they finally shipped it. Frankly from what I see, CT380 fits me better. The grip on the RM380 is much too short, it's basically the same as on CW380 and Glock 42. Plus, the trigger weight data is all over the place - between 6 and 10 lbs. Until people get it out and start testing, we cannot know what Remington lawers put in there.

[CJB]

I know that MANY Remington Parts are "discontinued by the manufacturer".

I'm talking about basic 870 parts you might need. Stock screws, trigger group pins that you might lose while cleaning, firing pins, extractors, that sort of thing...

My guess is the parts that are common, ran out first, and Remington is just not shipping any more.

[jocko]

IMO Remington is alittle late top the dance with the 380 and 9mm.
some specs the 380 is 5.27" lopng, width .94, height 3.86, wt. 12.2 All those specs are bigger than my PM9 kahr, and mine kahr weights 14 ounces

Remington 9 L. 6.6". Height 4.6" W. 1" Wt. 22 ounces, none of those specc even come close to a cm or PMJ9 kahr. not gonna be a pocket gun, Ican't seem top find any prices.

Not knocking it, but Just sayin

25% less muzle flip---THAN COMPARED TO WHAT???

[jocko]

What do you know, it's November and they finally shipped it. Frankly from what I see, CT380 fits me better. The grip on the RM380 is much too short, it's basically the same as on CW380 and Glock 42. Plus, the trigger weight data is all over the place - between 6 and 10 lbs. Until people get it out and start testing, we cannot know what Remington lawers put in there.

My G43 was over 8.5" when I got it, after some serious work by Taran Tactical, it is now 3.5" nd smooth as my kahr..

[jocko]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIFMDTiujl0
still don't know where Remington is as a company. here's a teaser video on the Remington/Rohrbaugh .380 (http://remingtonhandguns.com/rm380)

funny u should say that about the rohrbaugh, I was thinking the same thing, except the rohrbaugh is much much smaller and no doubt the remington will not be priced at a grand either, and hopefully not as amo ocky as the rohrbaugh.

[jocko]

I know that MANY Remington Parts are "discontinued by the manufacturer".

I'm talking about basic 870 parts you might need. Stock screws, trigger group pins that you might lose while cleaning, firing pins, extractors, that sort of thing...

My guess is the parts that are common, ran out first, and Remington is just not shipping any more.

probably more 870 parts around this cuntry thann remingon ever dreamed off. Actually if one owned an 870 they know it was basicaly a gun that just kept on going and going and going...