CW series life expectancy

[sk73]

It's not an issue with my CW9 and CW 380 now and may never be. But I'm curious how many rounds you all thinkf Kahr polymers are good for. What would be the symptoms of an impending death from overuse? How do you extend life expectancy. I used to own a Kel-Tec and the company said it should be good for 5,000 rounds. It lasted less than 300 before Davidson replaced it. But, I suppose if a Kel-Tec is good for 5,000, a Kahr CW would be good for 7,500.

[Baklash]

At my age it ain't an issue.

[Bawanna]

I've often mentioned how proud of myself I'd be if I lived long enough and stuck with one gun long enough to completely wear it out.

I don't think it's gonna happen.

It'll go a hell of a lot more than 7,500, that's for sure.

[CJB]

What would be the symptoms of an impending death from overuse? How do you extend life expectancy.

Good Gawd man, the pistol is made to be fired, over and over. Clean it. Don't let grit and sand and other obvious bad stuff get into it. Do not screw with it trying to "make it better".

Take for instance Jocko, with over 30,000 through his.

The barrel takes the most stress. Look for peened edges on the front of the locking area on top. Thats where the most stress is. After that... there's not too much of an issue, as long as you're clean and lightly lubed.

[gun papa]

Striker breakage aside, I think that you would be hard pressed to wear out A CW380. After 800rds, mine isn't even getting loose. I hope at some point to shoot the gun looser.

[Ronni3_J]

I was kinda thinking the same thing. Thanks for the info guys

[jpshaw]

At my age it ain't an issue.

Unfortunately I fall in this category also. If I was 21 I probably wouldn't lose a lot of sleep over it either. Why are we worried about longevity when Hillary's going to take them all away from us anyway.

[Longitude Zero]

It'll go a hell of a lot more than 7,500, that's for sure.

Truth!

[Armybrat]

Unfortunately I fall in this category also. If I was 21 I probably wouldn't lose a lot of sleep over it either. Why are we worried about longevity when Hillary's going to take them all away from us anyway.

Kinda hard for her to do that from a federal prison (we can only hope).

[martkin64]

Shoot 7,501 and let us know what happens!!

[sffone]

Just last week, one of our firearms instructors made the statement that any .40 cal polymer-framed handgun was prone to fail with a cracked frame after several thousand rounds. He based his statement, supposedly, on what instructors with other agencies told him. Further, he said that was one of the reasons that the FBI was getting away from 40s.

[yqtszhj]

It's not an issue with my CW9 and CW 380 now and may never be. But I'm curious how many rounds you all thinkf Kahr polymers are good for. What would be the symptoms of an impending death from overuse? How do you extend life expectancy. I used to own a Kel-Tec and the company said it should be good for 5,000 rounds. It lasted less than 300 before Davidson replaced it. But, I suppose if a Kel-Tec is good for 5,000, a Kahr CW would be good for 7,500.

It will last longer than the amount of ammo you'll want to spend on it. See if you can shoot more than jocko has through his.

[martkin64]

It will last longer than the amount of ammo you'll want to spend on it. See if you can shoot more than jocko has through his.

That would only be about $9600 worth of ammo...hahahah..

[sk73]

Just so new members to this board won’t get the idea that an innocuous question will get a boatload of sarcastic replies, let me halt the proceedings by apologizing for raising this issue. I was curious about what people actually KNEW about longevity of Kahr polymers, not so much what they predicted based on affection for their pistol. So, let me summarize my lessons. First, since one Kahr polymer lasted more than 30,000 rounds, all will. Second, either the Kahr five-year warranty is not based on any objective studies it has made, or it anticipates all owners will shoot 30,000 rounds in five years. Third, everyone who has replied to my question has shot far more than 7500 rounds.

Now, bloviate like a gassy donkey on a pogo stick. For I won’t read a word more on this board

[kenemoore]

It's not an issue with my CW9 and CW 380 now and may never be. But I'm curious how many rounds you all thinkf Kahr polymers are good for. What would be the symptoms of an impending death from overuse? How do you extend life expectancy. I used to own a Kel-Tec and the company said it should be good for 5,000 rounds. It lasted less than 300 before Davidson replaced it. But, I suppose if a Kel-Tec is good for 5,000, a Kahr CW would be good for 7,500.
You asked for opinions, and now are upset because that's what you got? I doubt the CW line has been in production long enough for anyone to have empirical data, so guesses are all you will get.

[Bawanna]

I didn't see that one a coming.

I am writing down that Bloviate like a donkey line, that might come in right handy in the future.

[skiflydive]

Or you could bloviate like Hillary...

[Armybrat]

You asked for opinions, and now are upset because that's what you got? I doubt the CW line has been in production long enough for anyone to have empirical data, so guesses are all you will get.

He said he would not read another word on this board.

So any continued methane production is all for naught. Save the planet.

[b4uqzme]

... Save the planet.

lm(bloviating)ao! :biggrin1:

[berettabone]

Peeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwww wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

[Short Bus]

I don't speak for the other members of this forum, just myself, but don't let the door hit you on your way out, and enjoy your Kel-Tecs with Nutnfancy.

[Bobshouse]

I don't speak for the other members of this forum, just myself, but don't let the door hit you on your way out, and enjoy your Kel-Tecs with Nutnfancy.

Do you know Nutnfancy? Figured you did, cause you drive the short bus.

[Ronni3_J]

Wow this thread took a turn lol. Good read

[Short Bus]

Do you know Nutnfancy? Figured you did, cause you drive the short bus.

I don't Know Nutn, but I do enjoy some of his videos, I just don't understand his love for Kel-Tec. I use to drive Short Bus, but sadly do to my wife's illness, we had to trade it and her Nitro on a car :(

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm117/sgr1971/Mobile%20Uploads/mms_picture_zpsc8c4776b.jpg

[muggsy]

Given reasonable care any quality firearm will out live the original owner several times over. I'm shooting guns that my father owned in his twenties and I'm sixty-nine.

[Short Bus]

I keep seeing Get well Muggsy, I hope you're OK and/or get well soon.

[yqtszhj]

Boy, aren't we all a bunch of bloviating donkeys? Too bad he didn't hang around a little longer to find out we don't take thing so serious. Life is just too short for that and we just want to help.

I've got to look up bloviate now.

[Ronni3_J]

blo·vi·ate
ˈblōvēˌāt/



talk at length, especially in an inflated or empty way.

[b4uqzme]

That's funny...I looked up "Jocko" and found the same definition. Just sayin'. :rolleyes:

[yqtszhj]

blo·vi·ate
ˈblōvēˌāt/



talk at length, especially in an inflated or empty way.






2. Hillary when her mouth opens.

LOL

[BucketBack]

Wow things have changed a bit since my last visit

[Bawanna]

Not really but we do still have our moments.

[Baklash]

I just reread all the posts prior to his little rant. I didn't see any long winded ill willed sarcastic insensitive smart a$$ replies. Merely witty funny attempts to basically say "nothing to worry about." Nothing to get his panties in a bind. I've seen some "in your face" demeaning responses occasionally on other threads, but certainly not on this one.

[muggsy]

Just last week, one of our firearms instructors made the statement that any .40 cal polymer-framed handgun was prone to fail with a cracked frame after several thousand rounds. He based his statement, supposedly, on what instructors with other agencies told him. Further, he said that was one of the reasons that the FBI was getting away from 40s.

You hear a lot of B.S. in the gun world.

[Short Bus]

I just reread all the posts prior to his little rant. I didn't see any long winded ill willed sarcastic insensitive smart a$$ replies. Merely witty funny attempts to basically say "nothing to worry about." Nothing to get his panties in a bind. I've seen some "in your face" demeaning responses occasionally on other threads, but certainly not on this one.

GlockTalk would chew him up.

[Bobshouse]

Kinda reminds me of the old commercial

"How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie roll pop?"

One....two...crunch..

The world may never know....

[spentprimer]

I think the responses to this fellows question is why The High Road Forum exists. Frankly, I have not been on this board since the middle of August. Not because you guys have ticked me off, but, rather, a temporary deviation of interest away from guns and into electronics.

The OPs question is a valid one that I, too, find interesting. Now that I am retired and have not worked in the manufacturing engineering world for a while my curiosity about the design criteria's life expectancy of the polymer frame is a great question. Obviously, predicted life expectancy vs. the empirically derived life of the polymer frame would be worthwhile knowing. I have not had my CW9 very long and have put 200 rounds through it to date. So far, so good.

As a little comparison, back in the '80s when I was shooting a lot of ATA Trap my Winchester Model 12Y Trap went through 250,000 rounds without a problem. It was also cleaned & oiled once a week during tournament season. Is anyone here predicting 250K through my CW9 without a problem?

[Bawanna]

The difference between your post here and the original poster is length of fuse I assume. You are correct in that it is a valid one but one that at this point can only be predicted as no one anybody knows has run a CW9 completely into the ground.
His original prediction of life expectancy (don't recall what that was now but not many for sure) was so ridiculously funny that a meaningful answer would be hard to type under the best of circumstances.
I too have a shotgun with nearly that many rounds though it but again at that number how does one possibly keep accurate count.
That's an incredibly large number of rounds to put through a small daily carry gun generally not used for competition or anything but range proficiency and occasional practice.

With minimal care and lack of abuse I'm quite confident any Kahr would live to be passed on to the next generation.

[Alfonse]

Is anyone here predicting 250K through my CW9 without a problem?

I for one can't wait to hear whether it does or not. I don't think many of us use pistols like a tournament trap gun, particularly little, plastic, carry pistols. Tournament type pistols go tens of thousands of rounds.

[spentprimer]

The difference between your post here and the original poster is length of fuse I assume. You are correct in that it is a valid one but one that at this point can only be predicted as no one anybody knows has run a CW9 completely into the ground.
His original prediction of life expectancy (don't recall what that was now but not many for sure) was so ridiculously funny that a meaningful answer would be hard to type under the best of circumstances.
I too have a shotgun with nearly that many rounds though it but again at that number how does one possibly keep accurate count.
That's an incredibly large number of rounds to put through a small daily carry gun generally not used for competition or anything but range proficiency and occasional practice.

With minimal care and lack of abuse I'm quite confident any Kahr would live to be passed on to the next generation.


I don't have a fuse. I have jokingly told others that they won't live long enough to tick me off, I suppose there is more than one way to take that statement. My overriding rule for life is: Do not over react to anything.

As for keeping track of rounds in the Model 12, there was a scorecard in the case and it got a check mark every time a box of shells went through it. I wish I had kept all those shooting records from those days ... and the Model 12!

I seriously have doubts that my CW9 will get more than a hundred rounds through it annually. With some of the super slow motion videos on U-tube firing polymer framed guns the stresses placed on the frames are plainly visible. Some of the guns are twisted and turned by the act of recoil so much that I am amazed that some of them do not come apart. Most noticeably those that have the spring loaded through the frame take down pin similar to that system used in Glock and some S&W pistols of recent manufacture.

[Bawanna]

Everyone has a fuse. Your first sentence indicates you have a very long one.

You'll do to ride the river with around here for sure.

[jocko]

been on this forum since it started, so far have not seen one kahr that is shot out. Seems we want to put some number on a gun that it will shoot before WHAT? nO DOUBT THE POLYMER FRAMES HAVE PROVEN THEM SELVES OUT TO BE durable. I can't remember the model number but some years back Ruger even made a 9mm semi that the lower frame was all polymer, no steel rails to ride on. Not sure that gunwas a failure either.

Your Y model model 12 did well, we sold a few of them back then and one went back for issues the utters were flawless. The model 12 was built to be rebuilt and rebulit again and again Many guns are that way...

[yqtszhj]

.... My overriding rule for life is: Do not over react to anything.



Can you teach that to my wife? She is known over analyze/react to everything (and the older she gets the worse it gets. It has taught me when to keep my mouth shut though.) Fortunately she doesn't take it out on me.

I try to tell her not to let people take up space in her head but I think she just likes to be difficult sometimes.

[spentprimer]

been on this forum since it started, so far have not seen one kahr that is shot out. Seems we want to put some number on a gun that it will shoot before WHAT? nO DOUBT THE POLYMER FRAMES HAVE PROVEN THEM SELVES OUT TO BE durable. I can't remember the model number but some years back Ruger even made a 9mm semi that the lower frame was all polymer, no steel rails to ride on. Not sure that gunwas a failure either.

Your Y model model 12 did well, we sold a few of them back then and one went back for issues the utters were flawless. The model 12 was built to be rebuilt and rebulit again and again Many guns are that way...

If fifty years or so is the standard for durability I would tend to agree that polymer framed guns are indeed durable. However, whether it be the tires on my truck or the engine on the airplane you fly on next there are other criteria that determine durability. Be it miles of tread wear or hours between major overhauls, everything wears out. My aching knees tell me that everyday.

There is little doubt that the performance of polymer framed guns of recent manufacture have fared much better than the polymers that were utilized in the manufacture of many single shot shotgun stocks of yesteryear. Polymers ability to survive many corrosive environments certainly makes for a desirable pistol for carrying daily. And comparing a polymer gun to a timepiece may vary well be appropriate. BUT, the question still remains: How many shots until a frame change is needed?

Obviously, the question is a tough one to answer. Longer than you will live or I have one with X,XXX rounds through mine, while adding to the information available simply do not answer the question at hand. I seem to recall a Remington advertisement many years ago with 100,000 square blocks of wood that had been shot at and hit with the Nylon 66. Quite the achievement. I am certain that I would have malfunctioned before that. The forces exerted by the .22 long rifle cartridge pale in comparison to that of the lowly 9 mm Parabellum or the .40 S&W. As for a test, it would be interesting to see how long a test similar to what Remington did half a century ago ... although I would not want to be the guy loading the seven round magazines.

As for the Model 12, If I could have only one gun ...

[spentprimer]

Can you teach that to my wife? She is known over analyze/react to everything (and the older she gets the worse it gets. It has taught me when to keep my mouth shut though.) Fortunately she doesn't take it out on me.

I try to tell her not to let people take up space in her head but I think she just likes to be difficult sometimes.

I think the answer to that question is probably no. You might be amused to hear that I learned it from my mother before I was 12 years old. Thankfully, for your sake I am glad to hear the beatings have stopped!

Knowing when to not say anything is truly a gift few possess and is skill worth learning.

I have gotten to an age where I rarely share my acidic sense of humor with anyone but my very close friends. While Don Rickles is indeed a funny guy, it seems as though everyone thinks that they are Don Rickles and todays interactions between people are not nearly as civil as they were when I was younger.

Things getting worse as we age is very true. When my Mom was still with us I would drive her to the eye Doctor for her annual examination. Thankfully the drops he prescribed kept her glaucoma in check. She would often put out her hand to "brace for impact" and shout STOP! Of course, I would slow and look in every direction frantically fearing I had just driven over a dog or child. I would then not see anything and would have to ask, what? She would reply stop sign and point to it. But, Mom, that stop sign is three quarters of a mile away. I know she meant well and I am glad she was so observant while in the car, but, I suspect it may have taken ten years off my expected lifespan.

[jocko]

[QUOTE=spentprimer;351245]If fifty years or so is the standard for durability I would tend to agree that polymer framed guns are indeed durable. However, whether it be the tires on my truck or the engine on the airplane you fly on next there are other criteria that determine durability. Be it miles of tread wear or hours between major overhauls, everything wears out. My aching knees tell me that everyday.

There is little doubt that the performance of polymer framed guns of recent manufacture have fared much better than the polymers that were utilized in the manufacture of many single shot shotgun stocks of yesteryear. Polymers ability to survive many corrosive environments certainly makes for a desirable pistol for carrying daily. And comparing a polymer gun to a timepiece may vary well be appropriate. BUT, the question still remains: How many shots until a frame change is needed?

Obviously, the question is a tough one to answer. Longer than you will live or I have one with X,XXX rounds through mine, while adding to the information available simply do not answer the question at hand. I seem to recall a Remington advertisement many years ago with 100,000 square blocks of wood that had been shot at and hit with the Nylon 66. Quite the achievement. I am certain that I would have malfunctioned before that. The forces exerted by the .22 long rifle cartridge pale in comparison to that of the lowly 9 mm Parabellum or the .40 S&W. As for a test, it would be interesting to see how long a test similar to what Remington did half a century ago ... although I would not want to be the guy loading the seven round magazines.

As for the Model 12, If I could have only one gun ...[/Q

do u remember how many blocks that sooter missed with the Nylon 66, ??? Iseem to recallit was under 20... we have alot of sports cars that can go 200 mph, but do we do a test on then to see how long they can go 200 mph before sumpin gives. I feel failure is in damn near anything built, when over done.

Remington 66 shooter was Tom Frye, He missed 6. Over a million of tose worthless fokkers were made. the only bad thing about the Nylonn 66 ersion was that a scope just would not stay set as the plate that held the scope was a cover over the nylon action, so it was really never part of the rifle...We sold alot of them back in the day...The Brown version sold better but I liked the looks of the black version...
Semi-automatic rifle

Place of origin
United States

Production history


Designer
W.E. Leek, C.H. Morse, H.W. Young [1]

Produced
1959-1989 [1]

Number built
1,050,350 [1]

Variants
see variants

Specifications


Weight
4 lb (1.8 kg)



Cartridge
.22 LR

Action
semi-automatic

Feed system
14 round Tubular magazine

retail price 59,95

[muggsy]

Jocko, I heard that a PM9J will blow up after 32,500 rounds. You better send me yours before you hurt yerself. :)

[jocko]

Jocko, I heard that a PM9J will blow up after 32,500 rounds. You better send me yours before you hurt yerself. :)

well I have had to replace the recoils sprng and some utter springs thru that time, so I guess the gun could be called shot out. Barrel might be badf as the bullets never go where I aim, but I have accepted a 3 ft group at 15 yards. Just sayin

good to see ya posting a$$wipe

[spentprimer]

do u remember how many blocks that sooter missed with the Nylon 66, ??? Iseem to recallit was under 20... we have alot of sports cars that can go 200 mph, but do we do a test on then to see how long they can go 200 mph before sumpin gives. I feel failure is in damn near anything built, when over done.

Remington 66 shooter was Tom Frye, He missed 6. Over a million of tose worthless fokkers were made. the only bad thing about the Nylonn 66 ersion was that a scope just would not stay set as the plate that held the scope was a cover over the nylon action, so it was really never part of the rifle...We sold alot of them back in the day...The Brown version sold better but I liked the looks of the black version...

I remembered that it was a small number, but, I could not remember it being six. I am afraid that as I am aging my memory is becoming like a photocopier that is low on toner. The mention of the scope stability problem was the only reason I did not buy one, although I wanted one badly. One of my high school buddies had that very problem and while I have always liked open sights, my vision has been such that optics have been needed since 5th grade. Elevation alignment was bad then and much worse now.

Didn't someone import a copy some years ago from china?

In the last year or so the Cabela's store in Owatonna purchased someone's collection of roughly sixty Nylon Remingtons. It really was quite the collection with every variation imaginable. I must admit my shock when I saw price tags for some of them @ $3K+ USD.

[jocko]

I remembered that it was a small number, but, I could not remember it being six. I am afraid that as I am aging my memory is becoming like a photocopier that is low on toner. The mention of the scope stability problem was the only reason I did not buy one, although I wanted one badly. One of my high school buddies had that very problem and while I have always liked open sights, my vision has been such that optics have been needed since 5th grade. Elevation alignment was bad then and much worse now.

Didn't someone import a copy some years ago from china?

In the last year or so the Cabela's store in Owatonna purchased someone's collection of roughly sixty Nylon Remingtons. It really was quite the collection with every variation imaginable. I must admit my shock when I saw price tags for some of them @ $3K+ USD.

yes indeed considering they made a million of the black asnd mohawk brown version. I would bet the lever actions were the more pricey 66's to have from a collectors standpoint. We never sold the lever version,, actully can't remember ever seeing one even. they virtually never really needed cleaning utter than the barrel. They were ahead of their time but still they sold millions and at 59.95, they were not considered a cheap gun by any means back then... Would have been nice to see 60 nylons in one collection...

[kwh]

My brother and I each have one of the Nylon 66;s, he the Brown, and I the Black/chrome. Sell at the gun shows for about $500, but I will keep mine. Fun to shoot. Took a long time to figure out why I would sight it in with the scope 1 1/4 " at 60 yards accurate. Next time would not touch paper. As in above post, always believe Jocko.

[muggsy]

The history of the Remington Nylon 66.

http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2009/8/27/the-remington-nylon-66/