Any interested in a T-45?

[DMR]

Please discuss. I'm interested in Kahr turning out a T-45.

1. 8 round mag's. My TP Mags are the same size as the 8 shot 1911 mags, change the follower and make them work please
2. Heinie or Warren two dot Night Sights
3. Reciever rail OR contor the dust cover so it will also accept a Novak 1911 rail add on
4. Make it availible with the rubber grips also(I need a set for my T-9 while you're at it).
5. Steel base plate with provisions to mount one of the mag bumper pads like CP or just include the bumpers.

If you need me to beta test one I am availible beginning 1 Nov. :)

[DblTapFst]

I was thinking the same thing a few days ago at the range.
I was shooting a T-9 and K-9. All was well. I had very nice groups with both. Then trouble starts.
A friend (who is a very good marksman/RO/Instructor, etc) wants to shoot my P-45. I shoot a few rounds first, and really didn't do all so well. Crappy actually. Way too much trigger finger, anticipating recoil, flinch, you name it. Friend takes P-45 and hammers dead center with all 4 mags. So, I'm sure it is not the gun.
While he is doing this little demo, I am looking at the T-9 thinking it would rock to have a 4 inch all metal T in .45 cal.
Not that a different gun will make up for my .45 cal issues, but the T size does really seem perfect for .45.
If Kahr builds it I would buy it. Great idea. :)

[johnh]

That would be an excellent idea! I hope to see a metal series of 45 caliber pistols, to include the T and K models. The size would be just right for CCW, but add some weight to help tame the caliber. I would want wood grips, but why not do both types while they are at it. Nice suggestions DMR!

:D

John

[DMR]

I like the wood grips also, but the rubber grips would make it slightly more compact. The T-45 gives a modern Commander sized platform.

I like my TP-45, but a steel version would make for a great high volume training platform and for that matter a great pistol all around.

I will look forward to them being produced. To much to ask for a 5" version to?

[jggonzalez]

That would be an excellent idea! I hope to see a metal series of 45 caliber pistols, to include the T and K models. The size would be just right for CCW, but add some weight to help tame the caliber. I would want wood grips, but why not do both types while they are at it. Nice suggestions DMR!

:D

John

Won't happen. I've asked for one several times and Frank Harris, VP of Marketing, said we don't want one and they only make guns they know there's demand for.:mad:

Personally, I think a metal Kahr .45 would be tops on my list for a semi-auto. My first choice would be a K45, even with the reduced round count, but a T45 would be more than acceptable. The K45 would be great for CCW and the T45 would be great for everything. Slap a set of XS sights on it and it would be perfect.

[flinch]

I'm all for a T-45. It is one of my fondest wishes. I have no interest in a light rail, but would like rubber grips for the T model.

[DMR]

I'm all for a T-45. It is one of my fondest wishes. I have no interest in a light rail, but would like rubber grips for the T model.


I agree now that I have thought more. Just radius the dust cover so if my brain goes to mush again I could use a Novak rail.

[Ken S]

Ever since I finished my first range session with my K9, I've wished that Kahr would make a .45 with a steel frame. I would prefer a K45 but if I would buy a T45 (without a rail) if it came out first.

Novak night sights would be nice. I have them on my T40 and like them a lot.

[jocko]

yup, sure would be a dandy in the MK series also along with the K series. Personally I don't see Kahr doing it as the polymer kahrs are their hottest sellers . An all steel 45 would sure make the other gun mfg-ers sit up and listen IMO.

[steve666]

I would love to have both a T and a K in 45.

[ATW525]

If Kahr were to make a T45 I would buy it in a heartbeat. That goes double for a K45. Ironically enough, while I currently have no interest in the Poly .45s, if steel framed versions were available I'd definitely pick up a PM45 to carry as a BUG to go with them (I currently carry a PM40 as a BUG for my K40 and T40).

However, I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for them. From what I've seen on various forums it seems the polymer Kahrs are in far more demand than their steel framed cousins.

[Chuck54]

I'm with everyone else on this thread ........ would love to have a K or T45

[jocko]

How about even the MK45, now that would be a dynamite pocket rocket indeed. They have to be thinking aobut a steel version in their 45, my bet if they only made one model it would be in the K series, as the T series never sold well. With the PM45, again I don't see an MK45 but a K45 sure would be one sweet shooter...

KAHR are u listening.....?????

I have never seen or had my hands on a T9 kahr, I bet that would be one sweet shooter...

[jeep45238]

I would absolutely LOVE to have a T45 if the grips weren't wider than the T9 and T40 models. I'd also love to have thinner grip options for the T9 and T40 series, if not only on the tactical models.

[Vinikahr]

If Kahr were to make a T45 I would buy it in a heartbeat. That goes double for a K45. Ironically enough, while I currently have no interest in the Poly .45s, if steel framed versions were available I'd definitely pick up a PM45 to carry as a BUG to go with them (I currently carry a PM40 as a BUG for my K40 and T40).

However, I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for them. From what I've seen on various forums it seems the polymer Kahrs are in far more demand than their steel framed cousins.

The polymers are very lite and strong, benefit to the consumers, cost effective and larger profit margin, benefit to Kahr.:59:

[jeep45238]

The polymers are very lite and strong, benefit to the consumers, cost effective and larger profit margin, benefit to Kahr.:59:

Steel frame = faster follow up shots

Besides, with a gun belt and good holster the weight difference is negligible.

[johnh]

I think a T45 would be neat. It would be flat, very smooth, and not too heavy. Certainly no more so than a steel Officers sized 1911. The T series fits nicely into a size bracket where they are just big enough to get a good, full handed grip; yet small enough to still hide well.

John

[ripley16]

The major problem as I see it is that the market has a huge number if 1911 builders, as well as other models for that matter, and the Kahr would be competing for and against an already entrenched market.

The typical 1911 trigger is viewed by many to be the superior trigger.

A respectable 1911 is available for around $500. In the $1000 area, there are a plethora of quality small to duty sized .45acps.

I'm not saying it wouldn't be a interesting gun, just that I doubt Kahr will travel that road. The lackluster sales of the T9 and T40 seem to already demonstrate that the general population want smaller, rather than larger Kahrs.

[Ken S]

There is definitely no shortage of 1911 builders but I'm not sure that they would represent the market Kahr would be competing with in this instance since the two designs are so different.

Hammer-fired SA 1911's with manual safeties are likely to be carried in either IWB or OWB holsters by more skilled/experienced shooters who are comfortable with Condition 1 carry and their ability to safely manipulate the manual safety under stress.

Kahr's striker-fired DA's with no external safety lend themselves to both IWB/OWB as well as pocket carry, at least in the K and MK versions, and are ready for action as soon as they are drawn.

These attributes would seem to represent a potential benefit to Kahr with the increasing numbers of CCW holders out there, many of whom are first-time firearm purchasers.

While there are some decent full-size 1911's available in the $500 range, as you go smaller, the cost rises pretty steeply for a pistol which will run reliably so I think a steel-framed Kahr .45 could be competitively priced from that standpoint.

Sadly, I think you are right in predicting that Kahr seems unlikely to travel this road at present. I own T, K, and MK framed Kahrs and would love to see T and/or K frame .45's from them but it looks as if I may have to look to their polymer versions if I want a Kahr in .45 ACP.

[wyntrout]

Are any LEO or LE organizations using Kahrs as their primary service carry? It seems like a K45 or T45 might fit that slot? A polymer frame would probably trim off 12 or so ounces. The difference between my K9 with 7+1 and the PM9 with 6+1 is about 10 ounces, using the same ammo.
Those all SS T's, K's, MK's with wood stocks are so beautiful! Well, not just those models -- all are really good-looking! I prefer durability and simplicity in design, as well as functionality, but aesthetics are very important, too. Kahrs are tops in all of those categories for me. My favorites for carry, though, are the DLC PM's with N/S, which includes the "KP"380, AKA P380.
Wynn:D

[jggonzalez]

A K45 would be my dream gun, but unfortunately it won't happen. :33:

[Vinikahr]

Steel frame = faster follow up shots

Besides, with a gun belt and good holster the weight difference is negligible.

What firearms you carry?
Weight does matter, lighter guns gets carry often( I carry my Kahrs all day every day). When I carry a bigger gun like the G26, I can't wait to get home to take it off! Follow up shots depends on the shooters, hence you train to connect. :eek: :86:

[jeep45238]

Use a better belt and holster then ;) Heavy guns carry often as well, as long as you've made the proper investment in your gun belt (not a 'heavy duty leather work belt' - a GUN BELT) and a good holster that mounts in 2 locations at the lateral ends of the holster, which distributes the weight and conceals much better.

Daily carry is a 5" steel 1911 and a spare mag, or a Kahr T40 and a spare mag. P3AT and spare mag rides for the BUG.

You always should train to connect, but in reality, if you're using good form, then you're probably not fighting for your life. Doesn't matter who you are, if you take an aluminum alloy or plastic gun, and have the same EXACT gun shooting the same ammunition that uses a steel frame, you'll get faster follow up shots. Newton's laws of energy at work.

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COM = T40, first range trip, 15 yard rapid fire. Stomach = 1911, 15 yards, rapid fire. Ignore the .22 experimental holes :P

[Vinikahr]

Use a better belt and holster then ;) Heavy guns carry often as well, as long as you've made the proper investment in your gun belt (not a 'heavy duty leather work belt' - a GUN BELT) and a good holster that mounts in 2 locations at the lateral ends of the holster, which distributes the weight and conceals much better.

Daily carry is a 5" steel 1911 and a spare mag, or a Kahr T40 and a spare mag. P3AT and spare mag rides for the BUG.

You always should train to connect, but in reality, if you're using good form, then you're probably not fighting for your life. Doesn't matter who you are, if you take an aluminum alloy or plastic gun, and have the same EXACT gun shooting the same ammunition that uses a steel frame, you'll get faster follow up shots. Newton's laws of energy at work.





COM = T40, first range trip, 15 yard rapid fire. Stomach = 1911, 15 yards, rapid fire. Ignore the .22 experimental holes :P

You sir are in the minority! If you can carry that 1911 all the time, hats off to you.:59:

[jeep45238]

That is my primary carry, goes on when I wake up, comes off when I sleep - the T40 is the 'small' gun, though I sure wouldn't mind a K9 :D


In all seriousness though, a LOT of people put a lot of thought into the gun they're going to carry and the ammunition (sometimes) but most don't think too hard about the holster and belt.

http://store.thewilderness.com/product_info.php?cPath=43&products_id=2007
The Original Instructor Belt? Testing Results | Wilderness Tactical Products, LLC (http://www.thewilderness.com/original-instructor-belt-testing-results)

I wear the 5 stitch instructor's belt - it's extremely stiff vertically but flexible horizontally, so it's comfortable, but spreads the load out. I used to work 10-12 hour days in an aerospace repair facility without a problem or anybody noticing, and that includes doing R&D in some pretty awkward positions over a tank of hydrochloric acid and working with graphite support structures in argon rehitorts.

I FIRMLY believe that a GOOD GUN BELT and GOOD HOLSTER are MUCH more important than the gun you carry in them.



And to think I used to carry a Glock 19 ;)

[Vinikahr]

Well let me show you mines;
I got 4 45 ACP (PM9 in the bunch for comparison purposes) and I can carry the Glock 21 more easier that my 1911 Stainless Steel. But if decide to carry the 45, the order of carry is like this:Kahr CW45, Ruger P345, Glock 21, the 1911 is the safe queen(do not carry is very heavy). :59:

[jeep45238]

That's the great thing about guns - they're alot like a good pair of boots, what works for me may not work for you :)

Glock .45's are too dang wide for me, the only CW45 I got to hold has massive trigger reset issues, the ruger's just plain old work - the 1911 is thin and that's why it conceals so well in the proper supporting hardware.

I'll have to take a picture of the wear the thing has on the right side before I refinish it - it definitely gets use :)

[Vinikahr]

[QUOTE]That's the great thing about guns - they're alot like a good pair of boots, what works for me may not work for you :)True, it is good to have options. I am person that likes options.


Glock .45's are too dang wide for me, the only CW45 I got to hold has massive trigger reset issues, the ruger's just plain old work - the 1911 is thin and that's why it conceals so well in the proper supporting hardware.:ohmy:When I use the Glock is mainly when I am home, open carry in the house.:behindsofa:

[quarterof5]

I'm currently looking at Kimber only because Kahr doesn't make a metal 45.

[jocko]

My bet is if we see any more kahr 45's it willb ein the polymer model andin the PM 45 model with the massachusetts complaint stuff on it. A k45 would be a real shooter no doubt and a metal version in a 45 for kahr wold be great but just not sure it the gun would sell like the compact PM45 is . Polymer seems to be the gun of choice how adays, expecially for carry purposes and kahrs are basically that type of gun.

[at_liberty]

No, I am not very interested at all. I started with the T9 then jumped at the T40, believing a carry caliber should ideally start with a (4). It is .40 caliber that really distinguished Kahr as the smallest guns in that caliber. If I want to shoot .45 ACP, I will use my 1911 with a much sweeter trigger pull. A Kimber Ultra Pro II is quite lightweight and compact, very packable, and shoots great. I tried one and did really well with it.

I have no trouble getting .40 S&W ammo, but .45 is sometimes scarce and is significantly more expensive, I find. It has forced me to go to a .22 to practice fundamentals. It becomes a little like bowling. You get warmed up and in a groove, and you're out of money (ammo). Unfortunately, my strategy is all too common, with .22 LR jacketed ammo for indoor use, hot enough to run my Browning Buck Mark, having been backordered for a number of weeks now.