Side Plate removal on a C45

[Iggy]

If and when I find the right screw driver, are there any unpleasant surprises when you remove the side plate?

Is that one of those deals were springs go flying or is it relatively unexciting?

[Bawanna]

Pretty boring really. Nothing should jump out at you.

I didn't like the way the screw looked on your earlier picture, just didn't look right to me.

The potentially exciting part is putting the screw back in. Don't have your Wheaties that morning or be worked up about anything. Leave anything bull in the china closet in another room.
Be gentle. Metal into tupperware, metal wins every time. No magic, just don't use your 3/4" impact driver, might be overkill.

[BEARDOG]

If and when I find the right screw driver, are there any unpleasant surprises when you remove the side plate?

Is that one of those deals were springs go flying or is it relatively unexciting?

It is a T5 Torx bit that you need to remove it.

No, there is no "flying surprises" or anything exciting under the frame side panel.

But, there are some under the rear slide plate though! lol

[jocko]

If and when I find the right screw driver, are there any unpleasant surprises when you remove the side plate?

Is that one of those deals were springs go flying or is it relatively unexciting?

IMO the best thig is to leave thaqt area alone, there is uttin there u can help, and taking that screw out can later on cause u an issue, as it threads into the polymer, so easy to strip out. It is really not put there to fokk with. Just my 21 cents on this .

[Bawanna]

Jocko ya old goat, I think Iggy is getting a new side plate from Kahr so don't think he's got a lot of choice.

I generally agree it's an area best left alone but in this case he boldly has to go where no # 5 torx bit has gone before.

[Iggy]

Matt at Kahr says that screw supposedly goes into a metal stud in the frame. Itchy sez that side plate ain't no big deal. So I may just leave it alone.

She's a Virgo and usually everything has to be just perfect.. If she don't care, I don't either.. She can sure as heck shoot it, side plate or no side plate.

She's wicked with tomahawk, a knife or a gun.. I can tell you for sure, I walk the line around that gal..:angel:

[Bawanna]

If it does indeed screw into a metal stud, that's wonderful news, wish there was a stud on the slide lock lever spring.

Now you gotta dodge the tomahawk, knives and guns and do to see if there's really metal in there or not.

Your our recon patrol. Go forth and check it out. Iffen Itchy says it's ok of course.

[Iggy]

Bawanna,

Sounds like you know Itchy. She's meaner than a junk yard dog if somebody gets cross-wise with her, but she's the best backup in the world.. I think I'll keep her, or vice versa if I'm lucky..;)

[Bawanna]

Yup I'd predict it taint a matter of you keeping her, it's a matter of her keeping you.

I think my wife might be similar. My suggestion is be kind, be gentle, and when she's off her feed, sleep with a metal garbage can over your head. Makes em harder to get at your throat when your sleepin.

It's a scary world sometimes.

[gb6491]

Matt at Kahr says that screw supposedly goes into a metal stud in the frame.....
I'm inclined to doubt that. The screw may hit the rear rail insert, but I don't think it threads into it. I've inserted a paper clip with a magnet attached into that screw hole felt no type of attraction to the frame. Then there's the screw, which has coarse threads that to my mind are more suitable for securing in polymer than a "metal stud". I've never noticed any difference of material when removing or installing that screw.
One thing of note, at least on my CW45, there is a stud with a ball end on the side plate that pushes/snaps into a hole on the frame. I had to slide a tool under the slide plate to pop that stud free before I could get my side plate off
http://i57.tinypic.com/2rzxgmh.jpg
The front edge of the side plate goes inside the frame, so only the rear will lift until it clears the frame and the plate can be moved rearward:
AEnemaBay's photo:
http://i67.tinypic.com/2agn5w4.jpg

FWIW, Kahr frame inserts:
http://i66.tinypic.com/r0qo8z.jpg

Regards,
Greg

[Bawanna]

I was hoping with Iggy's gun being brand new they may have changed something but once again I'm also inclined to agree with you that Matt provided some bad information.
Maybe it was wishful thinking, I do that more and more these days.

[muggsy]

IMO the best thig is to leave thaqt area alone, there is uttin there u can help, and taking that screw out can later on cause u an issue, as it threads into the polymer, so easy to strip out. It is really not put there to fokk with. Just my 21 cents on this .

Gentlemen, you must realize that Jocko was born with ten thumbs on each hand. Anything more complicated than winding a watch baffles him. I wouldn't be the least bit concerned about my granddaughter replacing the side plate on my CM9 and she's only four years old. She already has learned righty tighty, lefty loosey. Jocko has yet to grasp that concept. :)

[Bawanna]

My 1 year old knows how to turn on my phone already. Knocked me over it did.

Still does things I don't have a clue how to do, I'll wait till she's 3 and can talk and maybe she can teach me.

[muggsy]

There's hope for you yet, Bawanna. :)

[yqtszhj]

My previous cw45 was just like Gregs. Haven't looked under the cover of my new frame yet.

[Iggy]

For some reason Matt indicated the stud would be removed from the plate he is sending.
I do appreciate the picture of plate removed from the gun.
Seeing the coarser threads is a bit reassuring. I was imagining
much finer threads and really dreading messing with it
I ain't so skeered as I was.

[Iggy]

The side plate on my gun isn't counter sunk like the one in that picture.

[Bawanna]

You mean the attaching screw isn't counter sunk? That's what looked wrong in your picture, the screw head sticking up.

Sad that made it through final inspection.

[Iggy]

Right, that's the way it looks to me. I reckon if I don't like the one with the stud removed, I can countersink the old one to make it work.

Found the right size screw driver at Sears for $2.33 out the door.

[Iggy]

Even with the plate removed, there's no metal stud by the way, the screw goes into the frame at an angle. Don't think a new plate is gonna change a thing.
I'll give it a shot, but I don't like the odds.

Old plate is counter sunk, but the screw acts like it is cross threaded.. It's not, the screw was put into the frame at an angle and that's how it is.

[Iggy]

Well, the new side plate worked, but I had to booger things around a little bit and make sure the screw was going straight down through the plate.

After getting the screw, screwed in about half way, I then wiggled the plate into place and things all lined up. When I started screwing the screw in, it was hitting the frame and pushing the side plate back up.. Some wiggling and jiggering and I got the screw to make it's own hole going straight into the frame and it looks purty durn good now.

It's not a hairline thin fit between the plate and the frame, but it's a 100% better than it was and surely not worth having to go through another frame change.

I got'r did!!

[Bawanna]

Ya dun guud. Long as Itchy says so that is...............

[gb6491]

Well done Iggy. You probably won't have any trouble with it. I have a P380 that had side plate screw holes so buggered up that I had to repair them (bought it used, so I don't know if the damage was from the previous owner or left the factory that way). I've not had any issues with it since the repair.
http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?25541-A-used-P380-the-good-the-bad-the-ugly-and-a-happy-ending
Regards,
Greg

[Iggy]

Good to know about the super glue application.. I wondered what I would do if I have a problem with the gun after firing a bit.

I'll keep that in mind.. Sounds like a pretty good solution.

[Bawanna]

Vise Grips, Duct Tape, Baling/Ford wire and super glue and you can rule the world!

[Iggy]

You forgot barbed wire. I'm a virtuoso with that stuff.. :cool:

[Bawanna]

Hard to find round these parts. We got a lot of migrant California misplants around here and they demand a safety label every 6 inches. Apparently barb wire has sharp little points and one can injure oneself. Scary world.

Where were they when I was stringing concertina wire around the prison. Now that stuff make barb wire childs play.

[Iggy]

Well we took Itchy's CW45 to the range. I put a little locktite in the hole before I put the screw in. She fired about 100 rounds this afternoon and the plate stayed in place and the screw didn't move. I guess we got it fixed.

[yqtszhj]

Nice. That plate shouldn't give you any trouble I would think. I think you got it working.

[Iggy]

Itchy went a shootin' Friday. She was testin' out her CW45. These are 6 &7 round groups fired at 15 yards.The group in bullseye in chest, bullseye in the head and bullseye # 5 are 7 shots groups.

She was down to 3 rounds left and was too cheap to buy another target so the weird looking group over the shoulder near the right side of the target was used. I told her to imagine that white area is a man with a knife charging her and to shoot from the hip. That was the result.

I think you can understand why I am such a good boy. She's a heck of a backup, but I sure wouldn't want her mad at me.:cool:


You orta see her throw a tommyhawk!!:rolleyes:

[Bawanna]

Damn!