PM9 Trigger Question (New User)

[Rghunter2]

I have been searching the net for this info and must not be very good at finding it. I just purchased a new PM9093A. Just the basic model and i am going to have it customized, likely sending it to Robar. However, this question is about the trigger. When i was originally looking at these guns i picked up the same model as my gun but it was a PM40 that was used. The initial trigger pull on it was light and extremely smooth. Once you moved through that initial pull you hit a very noticeable breaking point. It was such that you could literally bounce the trigger against the breaking point without pulling through it. Once you were against the wall the trigger broke very cleanly. My PM9 has no noticeable breaking point. I dry fire the thing constantly and i can rarely call the exact breaking point. I am looking for information on how to set my new pistol up like this. If that is a trigger job, replacing springs, or whatever. I liked the feel of the long trigger and a breaking point that is about impossible to miss. I apologize if my terms are incorrect as i am new to handguns.

[muggsy]

The trigger should smooth up on it's own once your through the break in period. If not some polishing might be in order. The trigger bar could also be catching on the trigger bar spring.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1cDRE0mYdY

[Bawanna]

Sounds to me like it's too smooth without the wall you mention. You'd rather feel that resistance at the end of the trigger stroke.

If I'm reading it right. I don't honestly know how that could be created. Mine are smooth throughout the pull so you can't really stage the trigger much. I find that I shoot better when I don't stage also. Just pull through like a DA revolver.

Let me know if I'm not getting the correct message.

[jocko]

I have been searching the net for this info and must not be very good at finding it. I just purchased a new PM9093A. Just the basic model and i am going to have it customized, likely sending it to Robar. However, this question is about the trigger. When i was originally looking at these guns i picked up the same model as my gun but it was a PM40 that was used. The initial trigger pull on it was light and extremely smooth. Once you moved through that initial pull you hit a very noticeable breaking point. It was such that you could literally bounce the trigger against the breaking point without pulling through it. Once you were against the wall the trigger broke very cleanly. My PM9 has no noticeable breaking point. I dry fire the thing constantly and i can rarely call the exact breaking point. I am looking for information on how to set my new pistol up like this. If that is a trigger job, replacing springs, or whatever. I liked the feel of the long trigger and a breaking point that is about impossible to miss. I apologize if my terms are incorrect as i am new to handguns.

well my 21 cents. that used PM40 was fokked up. Kahrs triggers have no wall in theiur pull. totally smooth all the way thru. I would suggest if u want a well/stoppage of the trigger to go to the glock line. One of the great things bout kahrsw trigers is that they are totally smooth, the fact that the one u tested used was not is not anythinbg kahr uts out (normally) More rounds the smoother the trigger even gets. IMO any money one spends on as trigger job is money wasted. do't ask me how I know that but I have been thre done that sh!t. Let Robar do the slide work but leave the internals ALONE

WHAT mUGGSY STATED ARE TWO THINGS U CAN CHECK OUT, BUT IF YOUR pm KAHR IS SMOOTH THEN YOUR GOOD TO GO. jUST SAYIN

[berettabone]

I was attracted to Kahr exactly because of that reason. There is no "break" in my trigger. Nada all the way through. It's for this reason, I am an owner. Otherwise, I could have purchased any one of many 9mm offered today. Embrace that trigger.............best DA trigger on the market, in a small platform. No one else offers one like it, without work. I agree with geico, if you want/like that kind of trigger, a Kahr may not be your type. Don't give up on it yet, shoot it for a while, get used to it. You never know, you may just like it. You are not going to change it much, nor make it "better.":o

[Rghunter2]

Wow. I appreciate all of the replies. I have no idea what could have been done to the used PM 40 to make it behave that way. I like the gun and will enjoy shooting it. After watching the news over the lunch hour I might order a couple more. Thanks again.

[jocko]

Wow. I appreciate all of the replies. I have no idea what could have been done to the used PM 40 to make it behave that way. I like the gun and will enjoy shooting it. After watching the news over the lunch hour I might order a couple more. Thanks again.

#1 your kahr is not a target gun. It has no safety utter than what is between ur ears. People like that. But to get arund this no safety kahr put in a loooooong but so so smooth trigger system, that in all my years of owning and selling guns, I have never seen a smoother out of the box semi auto trigger. It is what it is. Ur not IMO going to shoot 2" groups due tothge trigger system being so long. again this is a personal protection gun, one that you will carry 24/7 if ur serious. Get good at 7 yardds and you will live to die of old age. Practice close, fokk bull eye targets, get some FBI "Q" bowling pin type targets. Keep um all in there and ur good to go. Remember, practice does not make perfectr, but perfect practrce does. buy some snap caps and let someone load your magazines for you so u donm't know if one or 4 or none are in that magazine. It will show your shootng ills real fast to. Kahrs IMO are not an easy gun to shoot "accurately"
the gun can do it but most6 shooters cannot. If you can shoot a double action wheel gun, then ur OK with a kahr trigger system...

[deadeye]

I had the same problem with the Kahr trigger when I first bought the gun. I bought a CO2 pistol about the same size, weight and smooth trigger pull as my Kahr. Built a pellet trap and started practicing in my garage. Remarkable what it has done for my accuracy. Big plus is $.015 per shot instead of $.30.

[Alfonse]

Wow. I appreciate all of the replies. I have no idea what could have been done to the used PM 40 to make it behave that way. I like the gun and will enjoy shooting it. After watching the news over the lunch hour I might order a couple more. Thanks again.

I suppose a small indentation could have been put in the striker cam to create the resistance. Locating the spot to put it, and putting it in, would have been a bit of a trick though. Smooth pull with no-break is all I have experienced with Kahrs.

[Baklash]

I agree with all that has been said about the Kahr trigger. For a long time all I had was a S&W 38 special. When I decided to get into semi autos I bought a couple Kahrs due to the trigger being like my revolver. Well, the trigger wasn't the only reason. I liked the striker fire, ability to shoot one round even if the mag falls out, close tolerances instead of sloppy, no safety, and I also liked the "looks". Oh, forgot to mention.....this forum. :cool:

[TheTman]

I've owned a few Kahrs, and was never able to stage the trigger at the breaking point. I find one long steady pull does the job nicely.
As has been said, most Kahrs are not target pistols, but meant for to be used fairly close up. I buy them for my SD pistols because of the long trigger pull that gives me some wriggle room in case of a muscle spasm or sneeze or something, and I was holding someone for police to come fetch.

[OvalNut]

I've owned a few Kahrs, and was never able to stage the trigger at the breaking point. I find one long steady pull does the job nicely.
As has been said, most Kahrs are not target pistols, but meant for to be used fairly close up. I buy them for my SD pistols because of the long trigger pull that gives me some wriggle room in case of a muscle spasm or sneeze or something, and I was holding someone for police to come fetch.

I have only owned 1 Kahr my PM9193, and the trigger does stage. It is not a crisp break per se, yet it does stop and hit a wall which requires a touch of additional effort to break. It's comfortable and better than I expected from a compact carry defensive gun. I would say too that trait more appeared after about 600 rounds through it, and it is what Kahr refers to as the Enhanced Trigger (1/4" less travel since it has the frame safety). I am very happy with it, and while I have not shot other sub-compacts like this it is quite accurate for a gun with a 3+" barrel.


Tim

[jocko]

I have only owned 1 Kahr my PM9193, and the trigger does stage. It is not a crisp break per se, yet it does stop and hit a wall which requires a touch of additional effort to break. It's comfortable and better than I expected from a compact carry defensive gun. I would say too that trait more appeared after about 600 rounds through it, and it is what Kahr refers to as the Enhanced Trigger (1/4" less travel since it has the frame safety). I am very happy with it, and while I have not shot other sub-compacts like this it is quite accurate for a gun with a 3+" barrel.


Tim

if u are Ok with that trigger the way it is, then disregard my suggestion. : I would think it could posssble be thatlittle curlyt cue trigger bar spring needs a dab of grease where it rides long the bottom of the trigger bar. This area sometimes needs alittle lube to assist the smoothness. again just a suggestion

[OvalNut]

if u are Ok with that trigger the way it is, then disregard my suggestion. : I would think it could posssble be thatlittle curlyt cue trigger bar spring needs a dab of grease where it rides long the bottom of the trigger bar. This area sometimes needs alittle lube to assist the smoothness. again just a suggestion

It's ALL good jocko. I completely respect your suggestion, and I am a fan of conservative grease at appropriate points such as that one. I'll certainly try it out and make my decision from there. Thanks!


Tim

[jocko]

It's ALL good jocko. I completely respect your suggestion, and I am a fan of conservative grease at appropriate points such as that one. I'll certainly try it out and make my decision from there. Thanks!


Tim
if u look at the right side of the frame, u will see with twhat looks like a little half moon peace, that is part of thge trigger bar. Sometimes it tend sto hit on that cut out in the slide when the trigger is pulled back. I always put some gun grease on that little half moon part...