Shot Show 2016

[JohnR]

We're about a month from Shot Show, what do you think Kahr has up it's sleeve?

Double stack pistols?

[muggsy]

Arms. :) You asked, I answered. You have only yourself to blame, John. :)

[muggsy]

I'm hoping to see Kahr come out with a striker fired double stack 9mm compact pistol.

[ripley16]

High on my wish list for Kahr changes would be;
* Adjustable grip panels. Seems easy to do with a polymer frame. I really like that feature on the few guns that do offer it.
* Redesigned followers to end the breakage and stripping problems. Way passed time for this.
* Maybe a .22lr. A P22, now that would be fun.

[JohnR]

Hardy har, Muggs. ;)

Grips - how about K9 style grip panels on the polymer guns? Rubber and wood options. Or a hard plastic cheese grater option for the S&M crowd.

10 round double stack .45 with a 5" barrel?

[muggsy]

C'mon, John. Admit it. You smiled. I'd like to see Kahr improve on quality control. I'd also like to see them be more consistent on their return policy on warranty repairs. I think that one would follow the other. If the feed ramp was a little shorter they wouldn't need to change the followers. I don't have a problem with the grip, but I'm sure that some would appreciate a finely checkered grip rather that the cheese grater style. Something similar to the Sig P320 grip surface would be a nice touch. I'm inclined to believe that they are going to be pushing the Gen 2 guns and don't expect much more.

[Alfonse]

Mk45

[DeaconKC]

Adding different colors to the polymer frames. This is very appealing to feminine shooters, and anything that gets more ladies involved in shooting is a good thing.

[Armybrat]

A "J-frame" .327 revolver. :p

[Bobshouse]

Microstamping. Otherwise any new changes wont be seen or available in California.

[JohnR]

K45, but I've wanted that for years.

[kenemoore]

Flush mag for the PM45

[O'Dell]

Again, my never ending request for an MK45!

BTW, there are plenty double-stack 9's out there. That's not Kahr's niche.

[Bawanna]

I'm down for an MK45 too. Or a K, don't make no matter to me.

You've been quiet of late O'Dell, check in more often.

[Barth]

I'm down for an MK45 too. Or a K, don't make no matter to me.

You've been quiet of late O'Dell, check in more often.

+1

Maybe a K45 Covert Elite 3.5"
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y278/Inspiribomb/Fire/P1000826.jpg

[JohnR]

The double stacks don't have Kahr triggers! The trigger and the elegant simplicity are Kahr's niche. And small thin size.

[O'Dell]

The double stacks don't have Kahr triggers! The trigger and the elegant simplicity are Kahr's niche. And small thin size.

True, most don't. However, although I have become accustomed to Kahr triggers over the years and shoot them pretty well, I still prefer the DA/SA on my SIG's, HK's, and 3rd gen metal S&W's or the SA on a 1911. That's just me.

I certainly agree with the thin and small part. That's what attracted me to Kahr in the first place. I have fairly short fingers, and the grips on most double-stacks are problematic for me. I can hardly grip standard Glock at all, and my only double-stack, a USP 40, isn't completely comfortable.

[O'Dell]

I'm down for an MK45 too. Or a K, don't make no matter to me.

You've been quiet of late O'Dell, check in more often.]

You're the first person that ever called me quiet. :rolleyes: But in this case you're right. I just finished radiation treatments for my prostrate cancer. That meant driving an hour+ each way to Northside Hospital Cancer Center every day for six weeks. Talk about a disruption in work schedules and lifestyle. I have surgery scheduled for Jan. 5th to plant the iodine 131 seeds, and then maybe it will be over.

[mr surveyor]

A "J-frame" .327 revolver. :p

yep .... or a "J+" frame .41 mag or .44 spl .... in stainless, with Bawanna grips of course :)


jd

[marshal kane]

Microstamping. Otherwise any new changes wont be seen or available in California.
Micro stamping, another atrocity perpetrated on the shooters in Kaliforny by the liberal legislature. Let the Kaliforny CSI boys look for micro stamping all they want because the gun manufacturers aren't playing that game and all the existing guns there now don't have that feature. If the day ever comes where ALL the guns in Kaliforny have micro stamping, the BGs will side-step that with some emery paper and a Dremel or just buy unaltered barrels and firing pins from the parts houses. I hope NRA or Calif. Rifle & Pistol Assn. has filed suit against this mistake.

[JohnR]

New Ruger American pistol series - I didn't see this coming. I thought they were all set for the foreseeable future with the SR series. But then, they introduced the SR when the P- series was still going strong.

Anything could happen...

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/12/28/breaking-ruger-release-new-polymer-framed-striker-fired-ruger-american-pistol-9mm-45-acp/

[berettabone]

With that same crap trigger........................................

[muggsy]

Adding different colors to the polymer frames. This is very appealing to feminine shooters, and anything that gets more ladies involved in shooting is a good thing.

You wouldn't say that if you were a golfer. :)

[muggsy]

Microstamping. Otherwise any new changes wont be seen or available in California.

You don't need no stinking micro stamping. You need a different breed of people running your government. :)

[muggsy]

The double stacks don't have Kahr triggers! The trigger and the elegant simplicity are Kahr's niche. And small thin size.

If it can be done Kahr will be the one to do it.
Signed,
Kahr's biggest fanboy.

[JohnR]

With that same crap trigger........................................
Ruger? I've only dry-fired the SR guns, but the trigger is very good. Glocks and M&Ps have crap triggers, but most Rugers have decent ones at least.

[RRP]

“Your assumptions are your windows on the world. Scrub them off every once in a while, or the light won't come in.”
― Isaac Asimov (http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/16667.Isaac_Asimov)

[JohnR]

"Never assume anything! It makes an ass out of U and me!"

[RRP]

Whoosh!

[Bobshouse]

You don't need no stinking micro stamping. You need a different breed of people running your government. :)

Easy to say Muggsy, but kinda hard to do when your all alone in a state full of Libtards that only worry about where their next "freebie" is coming.

[berettabone]

Ruger? I've only dry-fired the SR guns, but the trigger is very good. Glocks and M&Ps have crap triggers, but most Rugers have decent ones at least.

I owned a SR40..............like I said, crap trigger. ANY trigger that is like a Glock, is a crappy trigger.:) Ruger revolvers with some fluff and buff, are nice triggers. Kahr's have nice triggers. H&K's have nice triggers. Sigs have nice triggers. If this is the only thing that Ruger can come up with in their autos, no wonder the prices have come way down.

[JohnR]

If Kimber can make a revolver, why can't Kahr make a K45?

http://beta.kimberamerica.com/k6-stainless

[muggsy]

Easy to say Muggsy, but kinda hard to do when your all alone in a state full of Libtards that only worry about where their next "freebie" is coming.

Move. I would if I were you. :)

[CJB]

Could do 38 Super real easy.

[mr surveyor]

that Kimber K6 is looking pretty good .... now they have the platform to build it in a 5 shot .41 mag or .44 spl :)


jd

[Barth]

that Kimber K6 is looking pretty good .... now they have the platform to build it in a 5 shot .41 mag or .44 spl :)jd
:cool:
http://14544-presscdn-0-64.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Kimber-enters-wheelgun-market-drops-K6S-snub-nose-revolver-4.jpg

[mr surveyor]

:cool:
http://14544-presscdn-0-64.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Kimber-enters-wheelgun-market-drops-K6S-snub-nose-revolver-4.jpg



yep, it looks nice,but it still ain't .41 magnum is it (or .41 spl .... which Starline just released a big run of .41 spl brass a week or so ago ... I wonder why?)


jd

[Nytcrawler93]

No way I would trust anything bigger than 9mm in MIM.


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[mr surveyor]

No way I would trust anything bigger than 9mm in MIM.


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just curious, as I don't have a clue based on the limited information made available from Kimber .... but just what parts, other than the hammer and trigger might be MiM in the Kimber revolver?


jd

[Barth]

just curious, as I don't have a clue based on the limited information made available from Kimber .... but just what parts, other than the hammer and trigger might be MiM in the Kimber revolver?

I'm thinking with Kimber?
There are no MIM parts.;)
Looks like all stainless to me.
Trigger, hammer everything...

[Barth]

http://cdn.gunsholstersandgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Kimber-K6s-review.jpg

[mr surveyor]

I know dang well they could turn that 1.39" six shooter .357 cylinder into a 5 shot .41 ... or maybe even a .44 (spl). With the .41 or 44 offering and 3 inch barrel, and maybe a trigger tuned down to 7.5-8lbs, my "short list" would be narrowed down to "one". :)

jd

as for Kimber and MiM, my only Kimber is a '97-'98 mfg stainless compact and NO MiM parts... but it does have the silly plastic mainspring cover. Also, last trip out with it a week or so reminded me I still haven't replaced the 17-18 year old night sights :(

[Nytcrawler93]

I had read that the cylinder was MIM. If that is true, no thanks.


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[Bobshouse]

Kimber's rust to easily, I'll stick with Kahr.

[Alfonse]

Lots of fun toys at SHOT. I got to play with the Gen 2 Kahrs. The trigger is like a bit shorter movement on a well worn in older trigger. They did a nice job with the split trigger. It is all metal and has no sharp edges. When pressed, it the split part moves only far enough into the other part so it feels flush and like a single part. It is pretty nice, but not an earth shattering improvement.

Hickock45 was wandering around and the guy with the beard. I didn't have my own video crew....

[Bobshouse]

Jeff Quinn from Gunblast? He's ok. If you see a loud mouth, in your face, guy who calls himself Nutinfancy, kick him square in the -----. I really wanted to go this year but couldn't make it, but I did give 5 friends tickets. Their supposed to get a bunch of info and stuff for the club.

[CJB]

Five shot sp101 45LC chambering.

[knkali]

You don't need no stinking micro stamping. You need a different breed of people running your government. :)

yep

[knkali]

Easy to say Muggsy, but kinda hard to do when your all alone in a state full of Libtards that only worry about where their next "freebie" is coming.

yep too

[knkali]

Micro stamping, another atrocity perpetrated on the shooters in Kaliforny by the liberal legislature. Let the Kaliforny CSI boys look for micro stamping all they want because the gun manufacturers aren't playing that game and all the existing guns there now don't have that feature. If the day ever comes where ALL the guns in Kaliforny have micro stamping, the BGs will side-step that with some emery paper and a Dremel or just buy unaltered barrels and firing pins from the parts houses. I hope NRA or Calif. Rifle & Pistol Assn. has filed suit against this mistake.

Not sure what the NRA has been able to do in Kali. I don't think much. If anyone has facts to the contrary, please post them up.

[340pd]

I had read that the cylinder was MIM. If that is true, no thanks.


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No MIM parts in the K6

[Alfonse]

No MIM parts in the K6

And, the trigger is really nice. No, I mean really.

[CJB]

I had read that the cylinder was MIM. If that is true, no thanks.


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Don't knock MIM parts too badly. Kahr has 'em!

Folks used to knock the IC parts that Ruger pioneered. The Security-Six was poo-poo'd for its big use of IC.

There's nothing wrong with IC. Nor MIM.

MIM is an ideal way of creating small parts that need medium to high precision as made. It offers the same stress relief that IC parts have. You can get great "as made" patterns on MIM parts. Have a look at Kahr slide stop levers (or Colt slide stops or thumb safeties...).

Many MIM parts are used "as made", but others will be touched or, or have outright machine work done.

For example, a Colt thumb safety on their .45 Auto, will be used as made, but.. will be fit. The slide stops have the pin fit to diameter. Kahr slide stop levers (not the pin, just the lever) are no doubt final machined to accept the pin tightly, then cross drilled for the retaining pin.

I'm good to go with MIM, in the right application. FWIW, a cylinder is really fairly large and something best suited to "made from solid".

[Alfonse]

The K6 is really nice to fondle. It feels really solid, even with the cylinder out. The crane is sturdy. The finish is beautiful. I should have gone over and played with a Chiappa Rhino. I've always like the concept of those even though they look odd to my eye. It is enough to motivate a guy to get more revolvers.

[Nytcrawler93]

I am OK with MIM for certain applications. A control mechanism etc is fine. I am not ok with MIM on a cylinder or pressure area. It is my personal preference. I work in manufacturing so I am skeptical by nature.


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[Nytcrawler93]

FWIW, I buy the P series Kahrs.


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[Nytcrawler93]

No MIM parts in the K6

If this is the case, then I may be interested.


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[zaitcev]

Microstamping. Otherwise any new changes wont be seen or available in California.
Microstamping is the single biggest reason why Kimber K6s exists.

[zaitcev]

The double stacks don't have Kahr triggers! The trigger and the elegant simplicity are Kahr's niche. And small thin size.
It's possible to have a double-stack magazine that narrows into a single stack in order to clear Kahr mechanism.

[zaitcev]

I fully realize that Kahr isn't going to do this, not for 2016 SHOT, not ever, but here are my two biggest items:

* Redesign the slide stop. It is much too ugly and it sticks out. The spring needs to be replaced with a normal spring. Even Glock has done that, for crying out loud. Took them 4 generations of persuasion, but they did it. At the very least, do some flaring around it like Remington did for RM380. That slide stop may be acceptable for CW9, but you ain't selling me a nicer pistol with a slide stop like that. Which brings me up to...

* T45. Come on. You know you can sell that, at least for a year worth of production. T9 has a grip long enough for 7 rounds of .45. Wave some Kahr magic, make the grip just a little thicker than on T9... SiG managed that on the P320, so I know you can do it. And, the steel frame. Here, see this credit card? It has $2300 in there for the T45 if you hurry.

But to be perfectly honest, I am very concerned this year after seeing how they ceracoted both CT380 and Desert Eagle. It is too much of a coincidence. What if it means that Kahr fired all their design engineers and simply cannot do the redesigns that I wish for? Frightening.

[JohnR]

I fully realize that Kahr isn't going to do this, not for 2016 SHOT, not ever, but here are my two biggest items:

* Redesign the slide stop. It is much too ugly and it sticks out. The spring needs to be replaced with a normal spring. Even Glock has done that, for crying out loud. Took them 4 generations of persuasion, but they did it. At the very least, do some flaring around it like Remington did for RM380. That slide stop may be acceptable for CW9, but you ain't selling me a nicer pistol with a slide stop like that. Which brings me up to...

* T45. Come on. You know you can sell that, at least for a year worth of production. T9 has a grip long enough for 7 rounds of .45. Wave some Kahr magic, make the grip just a little thicker than on T9... SiG managed that on the P320, so I know you can do it. And, the steel frame. Here, see this credit card? It has $2300 in there for the T45 if you hurry.

But to be perfectly honest, I am very concerned this year after seeing how they ceracoted both CT380 and Desert Eagle. It is too much of a coincidence. What if it means that Kahr fired all their design engineers and simply cannot do the redesigns that I wish for? Frightening.
I'm with you on all of that!

[b4uqzme]

I fully realize that Kahr isn't going to do this, not for 2016 SHOT, not ever, but here are my two biggest items:

* Redesign the slide stop. It is much too ugly and it sticks out. The spring needs to be replaced with a normal spring. Even Glock has done that, for crying out loud. Took them 4 generations of persuasion, but they did it. At the very least, do some flaring around it like Remington did for RM380. That slide stop may be acceptable for CW9, but you ain't selling me a nicer pistol with a slide stop like that. Which brings me up to...

* T45. Come on. You know you can sell that, at least for a year worth of production. T9 has a grip long enough for 7 rounds of .45. Wave some Kahr magic, make the grip just a little thicker than on T9... SiG managed that on the P320, so I know you can do it. And, the steel frame. Here, see this credit card? It has $2300 in there for the T45 if you hurry.

But to be perfectly honest, I am very concerned this year after seeing how they ceracoted both CT380 and Desert Eagle. It is too much of a coincidence. What if it means that Kahr fired all their design engineers and simply cannot do the redesigns that I wish for? Frightening.

Funny. That slide stop never bothered me before. But now I'm gonna have to get out the Dremel. :rolleyes:

[Alfonse]

The Kahr booth had no T9s or T anything on display. 2 of 3 employees I talked to did not even know what they were.

[Bawanna]

Now that's sad right there.

[Alfonse]

Now that's sad right there.

Yeah, I was trying to explain it was like a K9, but with a longer grip that holds an extra round.

[Alfonse]

With all the talk about "double stack" Kahrs, don't forget they already have all of those Magnum Research pistols, which look really nice. So, they already have double stack Kahrs.