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Bawanna
12-19-2015, 07:09 PM
Once upon a time.........................at the suggestion of Jeepster I accepted the challenge of installing a Wolff spring kit in my wife's J Frame, a 638 to be precise.

I never been inside a J Frame before and I was a little skeered there might be a bunch of parts that could easily get mixed up.
I was gonna send it off to Ahlmans and let them do a trigger job but again Jeepster encouraged me and said even a dimwit such as myself could easily do it. Said he's done several hisself, not sure what that has to do with me but it was encouraging.

Sooooo, I get the gun from the wife, it has a very hard trigger pull. Smooth enough, just hard to pull.

I carefully and systematically removed the side plate, no problems, all good. I kind of look around in there to see what's what and more importantly see where every thing goes. I didn't know what was in the Wolff package so I started there.
just a brilliant idea.

Well it's just a series of hammer springs, an 8, a 13, 14, 15 I think. I decided I'd just start with the 8 and see what I got.

It also looked like I wouldn't have to mess with any of them other tiny little pieces to do it so should be ok.

So I squeeze down on the hammer spring enough to get the cap and spring off the strut. All good.

Here's a picture of the cap, this will be the star of my little story.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n538/hopke5/DSCN6374_zpscmot1duk.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/hopke5/media/DSCN6374_zpscmot1duk.jpg.html)

Well I put on the new spring and cap and attempt to squeeze it down to get it in place when heck and damnation I lose it, the spring stays but the little cap, leaves the stratosphere followed by a stream of oh shucks and gosh durn it's and the depression sets in......................................

Well I know in my heart I'm never gonna find this blankity blank little piece of hard rubber but I also know that I just gotta look.

Break out the trusty flashlight and start checking nooks and crannies, alas in less than 5 minutes I'm scanning the floor and what to my wandering eye should appear but the little walk about cap. Eureka, thank you, thank you, thank you. The project can continue.

So this time I'm gonna be more careful so I chuck the strut up in the vise and figure to depress that spring and clamp it with some baby vise grips. Yes sirreeeee, I got this figured out by golly.
Well I'm a pressing down and have to tighten the vise grips just a scosh when heck and damnation, Houston we have a launch again. No clue what direction, full power. Dude your totally screwed this time, ain't no way..................

As tears begin to form making a total mess of my mascara, the depression and anxiety really set in this time. I'm ready to just toss in the towel, order the part, try again another day, but bawanna ain't no quitter, we gots to look some.

So out with the trusty flashlight once again, looking all over, and I kid you not, the lid on my little wood machinist tool box, (I sure ain't no machinist but I inherited a nice box) is up and by some miracle under the light of Rudolf's shiny red nose I happen to spy the walk about cap just a setting on the edge of that lid. My first thought was no way, your not that lucky, it can't be, has to be one of them thar mirages like the casino in Vegas.

But sho nuff there she be.

Well now the questioning thyself begins. Do we not press our luck, get drunk and be somebody or march on. Well again being the impatient type we press on.

I'm happy to report using a tiny tiny little nail utilizing the hole in the strut that in hindsight is no doubt there for this very purpose I was able to successfully get that bad boy back in one piece. Jury's still out on the pull I think it's better and I think it's totally acceptable.
One things for positive sure is I ain't taking it back out no more today.

Now I guess I'll work on that getting drunk and being somebody, my Marine got home last night, busiest day of the year at the airport, but that's another story for another time.

b4uqzme
12-19-2015, 07:15 PM
...glad you figgered out what that hole is for. I been chasin' some sort of hole since my teens. Just sayin.

yqtszhj
12-19-2015, 07:19 PM
I love Christmas Miracles. Glad your Marine mad it home too.

Baklash
12-19-2015, 07:26 PM
It MUST absolutely be a Christmas miracle because that cap sure looks like a Cherrio cereal to me and for you to make it work in that J frame is truly miraculous.
Merry Christmas.

Bobshouse
12-19-2015, 08:16 PM
Now lets just hope it's strong enough to set off a primer!

Armybrat
12-19-2015, 08:46 PM
It MUST absolutely be a Christmas miracle because that cap sure looks like a Cherrio cereal to me and for you to make it work in that J frame is truly miraculous.
Merry Christmas.
Good work on the J frame, Bawanna - but I think your Marine is gonna want something more than a bowl of Cheerios in the morning.

And that actually looks like a Honey Nut Cheerio. You must have a fancy taste.

Bawanna
12-19-2015, 10:11 PM
Well truth be told they are indeed Honey Nut but I don't get none. They are for the granddaughter, she gets everything.
Sometimes she gives me one when grandma ain't looking and the dog don't get it first.

I felt so gosh durned lucky to find that thing.

And I do indeed hope it has enough to set off primers, it acts like it does. I guess we shall see.

jeepster09
12-19-2015, 10:40 PM
Haa hope ya got it together...i was just kidden...none of mine ever worked once I took em apart! :madgrin: I'm still lookin for my cheerieos...:blushing:

kwh
12-19-2015, 10:42 PM
+1 for the flashlight, no doubt it saved the day. Just ask Rudolph, his red nose saved Christmas. :D.
LED light is an every day pocket carry. Found a run away blueberry this a.m. that tried to escape my breakfast cereal.

downtownv
12-20-2015, 04:18 AM
Colonel,
My biggest concern was NOT addressed!
The running mascara.......Please don't leave us hanging on the cliff!

muggsy
12-20-2015, 06:22 AM
It MUST absolutely be a Christmas miracle because that cap sure looks like a Cherrio cereal to me and for you to make it work in that J frame is truly miraculous.
Merry Christmas.

And I was thinking where could a cap the sized of a glazed doughnut fit into a J frame? Duh.

muggsy
12-20-2015, 06:29 AM
Talk about confusion, when we first got married Mrs. Muggsy and I wanted to have a child right away. Try as I might it just wasn't happening. When the big announcement finally came my old man beamed and said that he knew I could do it. All that I had to do was roll her over. The moral to this story is, where there's a will there a way. Nice job Bawanna. I knew you could do it. :)

CJB
12-20-2015, 06:38 AM
Well Col. you did good. Even a busted clock shows the right time twice a day!

JohnR
12-20-2015, 07:09 AM
A miracle indeed! A similar part of my GP100 flew off as I was performing the same operation. Every search and rescue method was used, to no avail. But Ruger's customer service, being miraculous itself, replaced it free, no questions asked.

Ikeo74
12-20-2015, 08:41 AM
Quick.....go buy a lotto ticket............!!

CPTKILLER
12-20-2015, 08:42 AM
Great!

Planedude
12-20-2015, 08:52 AM
Good find Bawanna! When I reworked my 642 I had the tool kit with the high tech bent out paperclip...

Light primer hits in the J frame can usually be fixed with one of these: http://www.midwayusa.com/product/926136/cylinder-and-slide-extra-length-firing-pin-new-style-s-and-w-j-k-l-n-frame-revolvers

You just need to know that snapcaps are suggested instead of dry firing after the install. I put one in mine, works great!

Bobshouse
12-20-2015, 08:53 AM
Sorry, I just mentioned it because I had a problem after I changed out the springs in my GP100. Went to the lightest spring and the trigger felt fantastic, but the only primers it would work with were Federal.

Hopefully yours will be fine...Merry Christmas!

Bawanna
12-20-2015, 11:07 AM
It's a very viable concern, I'm gonna just primer some cases today I hope and see how it goes. I could very well be installing the 13#er before the day is over. I'll be using the bag.

I didn't go deep enough to see that firing pin planedude, I know it's in there and about where it's at but I spent most of the day looking for that goofy little cap.

Alfonse
12-20-2015, 12:24 PM
And I was thinking where could a cap the sized of a glazed doughnut fit into a J frame? Duh.

I was having the same thought. I thought that must be one HUGE revolver.

340pd
12-20-2015, 05:19 PM
Well, you have done part of the job. I would go straight to the 14# rebound spring that you remove hopefully with the special tool, OR, inside a plastic bag with a cork in your mouth to prevent little Bawanna's from hearing the cursing as you practice the art of rebound spring removal. Watch the video and note this guy knows what he is doing and does use lube on the internals. With a little practice you can do a complete J-frame trigger job in less than an hour. It is more than changing springs, but easy to get a great result. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4GtXq2XXOI

DubDubU
12-20-2015, 08:54 PM
Looking at the writing on that piece paper made me wonder if Jocko was helping ya.

Bawanna
12-20-2015, 09:37 PM
I thought of that after the fact. It's upside down and backwards, the writing is on the bottom but it showed through.

Sort yeah almost exactly like Jocko's writing.

Planedude
12-20-2015, 09:52 PM
I was having the same thought. I thought that must be one HUGE revolver.

Yes Alfonse, it is HUGE...

gb6491
12-21-2015, 10:34 AM
Enjoyed the story Bawanna and can surely empathize with you having conducted more than a few similar (if not so successful) recovery missions myself.


Well, you have done part of the job. I would go straight to the 14# rebound spring that you remove hopefully with the special tool, OR, inside a plastic bag with a cork in your mouth to prevent little Bawanna's from hearing the cursing as you practice the art of rebound spring removal. Watch the video and note this guy knows what he is doing and does use lube on the internals. With a little practice you can do a complete J-frame trigger job in less than an hour. It is more than changing springs, but easy to get a great result. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4GtXq2XXOI

This guy has an excellent alternative to the commercial rebound spring tools out there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0nUJePqV_U

Regards,
Greg

Bawanna
12-21-2015, 11:59 AM
That's brilliant, great idea.

Alfonse
12-21-2015, 01:43 PM
Yes Alfonse, it is HUGE...


Better wear a hard hat when taking that one apart.

b4uqzme
12-21-2015, 01:45 PM
I just change out that spring hermetically sealed inside a giant mayonnaise jar... Funk and Wagnall's style.

340pd
12-21-2015, 05:07 PM
Wait until you lose a sear spring. Don't ask me how I know but I do have a couple of spares.

downtownv
12-21-2015, 05:47 PM
I know my limitations, that why I let a smith do that stuff...

DeaconKC
12-23-2015, 05:32 PM
Okay, fess up guys.. who else has launched a 1911 recoil plug? We know the fear!

yqtszhj
12-23-2015, 06:34 PM
Okay, fess up guys.. who else has launched a 1911 recoil plug? We know the fear!

Me. I confess.

What about an AR15 detent spring?

MW surveyor
12-24-2015, 08:37 AM
Okay, fess up guys.. who else has launched a 1911 recoil plug? We know the fear!

My greatest fear while at the range changing to or from my Advantage Arms conversion kit.

b4uqzme
12-24-2015, 08:43 AM
...launched a firing pin spring while disassembling a Benelli bolt on the trap range once. Found it! Never did figure out why the sucker was hanging up. Simply took it apart and reassembled and it worked fine.

CharlieW
12-25-2015, 08:31 PM
Me. I confess.

What about an AR15 detent spring?

Yes, and Yes :D