g26 vs pm9

[f44life]

I know you guys are tired of seeing comparison threads...but I am stuck between these two guns. I want a edc gun and can fire tons of rounds down the range and dont have to send it back.

The glock, reliable out of the box, dimensions are bigger, wider heavier then pm9, more rounds in the clip, cheaper

Ive read alot on this forum and it seems the kahrs are 50 50 on people sending them back for some reason and no malfunctions after the 200rds.
Plus if um paying over 700bucks for a gun that i have to clean before i fire it and the chance of it not working right...its like buying a new car and changing the oil in the car lot i bought it at cause it might have metal flakes in the oil... Thats atleast what i seen on here.

Iam a first time handgun buyer, i have seen alot of glock guys going to kahr just for the size, is it honestly worth it? Ive held both and the weight difference doesnt seem nite and day.

Dont get the wrong idea um not here to bash any brand, i just want the honest truth is the 250$ more worth it? (I want you to persuade me)

[jlottmc]

We seem to hear more about problems here than success. My thoughts look like this: which one feels better in the hand, especially when you shoot the thing? As for the clean it first, that's good insurance. I wash clothes before I wear them, same concept. Look at the initial cleaning and prep like this, it gives you bonding time. If you plan on carrying the little thing, then yes size matters to a bunch of folks. Smaller is easier to carry. High round count is a poor substitute for well placed hits. As for the price difference, well Glock has a bunch more production capability than Kahr, therefore they can and do have a lower price point. It comes down to what you want and trust.

[olympicmotorcars]

Take it from me and get both, ( I have a g27 and PM 40) and carry both. They both have their strengths and fill a purpose. I probably carry my PM about 60 percent of the time. You will not be sorry if you get a PM.

[rnpollard]

The difference between the PM9 and the G26 is night and day. The PM9 is so much smaller that it is in its own league. I just can't even imagine pocket carrying a G26 but the PM9 is a dream to pocket carry.

The PM9 is more accurate for me as well. I hate a Glock trigger and the PM9 trigger is so much smoother. I shoot the Kahr better than any Glock I've owned.

As far as the cost... I don't count pennies when I am buying a piece of gear as serious as a concealed carry handgun. You can get a new Kahr PM9 for less than $700. I always detail clean and inspect a handgun before I shoot it anyway so this isn't a consideration IMHO.

The PM9 was my first Kahr. The P380 followed it and then the P45 and the PM45. Each has its own place in my carry battery. I've sold my Glock 17 and 26 as well as a Kimber Aegis 9mm. The Kahrs just work for me.

[f44life]

pm40 was all they had out of the shelf in two gun stores in nashville. They wanted 716$ for it brand new. Wonder how long it would take to get one if i ordered it? or just buy a 40

[jlottmc]

That is up to you. Remember lots of Law Enforcement carry 40's. I don't care much for the 9mm but if it floats your boat... It is a good round, and widely available, even during the height of the shortage...

[kahrseye]

I'm down to one glock, just sold my G36. Sold my Kel Tec, my Springfield XD40, my Sig P238, and my LCP. My first Kahr was my PM9, I was so impressed with it I bought the PM45. I was so impressed with the PM45, I bought my girlfriend a P380. Are you seeing a pattern here? All the Kahrs are very accurate, easy to conceal and shoot. Who knows I may sell my g27 and end up with a Kahr PM40. I have had no issues with any of my Kahrs. Good luck.

[f44life]

I appreciate the prompt responses, is there more failures with the 9 or 40 in your experience? Im honestly leaning toward the 40 bullets dont cost that much more then the 9 and the recoil ill just need to get used to.

[joje]

imo a 9mm glock is pretty much an ideal "starter" gun so if you are new to handguns and want something you can carry the g26 is a great choice: affordable, reliable, easy to shoot and (imo) with a better trigger.

if you are set on getting the ultimate carry gun right away you may want to have a look at gtdist.com. i bought my pm9 from them after hearing about them on this board (thanks predestyned!). they are out of stock a lot, but their service is good and prices are much better than what you mentioned so it might be worth the wait.

[jlottmc]

Again, I think we see more problems here then what ships, being the nature of a dedicated forum. There are bunches of people that own a Kahr, and aren't on here. (There is a PM45 that I have my eye on if I can get my cop buddy to let it go.) I wouldn't look back either way, just prep what ever you get, shoot it, shoot it more, rinse and repeat. The 40 is a different animal in relation to 9mm and 45. Some consider them to be a bit rude. I tend to agree with you in the sense that you just need to get used to it.

[kahrseye]

I appreciate the prompt responses, is there more failures with the 9 or 40 in your experience? Im honestly leaning toward the 40 bullets dont cost that much more then the 9 and the recoil ill just need to get used to.

I've had 0 failures with my PM9, or any of my Kahrs for that matter. I have had 0 failures with my g27. Did have some FTF and FTE with my g36. If you're not concerned with recoil why not look at the PM45? The .45 bullets don't cost that much more than the .40 and recoil may actually be less that the .40.:cool:

[MaxStravinsky]

I had a G26 for about 3 months - was very accurate, but bit my middle finger with every shot. I ended up hating the gun. I traded it towards my PM9. I have close to 1000 rounds through it without a single malfunction, and it doesn't hurt to shoot it.

[O'Dell]

Don't get a distorted view because you see some problems here. You'll find the same thing on Glock forums if they're honest. WE are! Satisfied people tend not to post. Kahr's are quite reliable. I have over 1800 rounds combined through three Kahr's w/o one failure.

The G26 and PM9 are apples and oranges. You can't pocket a G26 like I can my PM45 or CW9 or a PM9 - no way! Plus I can't shoot a Glock well or even grip one comfortably, except for the G36. I suppose I could learn to shoot a Glock, but then I would have to unlearn how to shoot my Kahr's, S&W's, SA, SIGs, and Taurus.

[jocko]

both great guns and if Ihad to choose a gun to go to a fight with, I would choose the G19 over my PM9 or K9, WHY???? 16 rounds trumps 7 any day of the week. Both would be reliable IMO.

[dfloresjr]

I carried a Glock 19 in my LEO days, and now that I'm a civilian, I will carry a CW9. For comfort, ease of use and reliability, I am very happy with the Kahr. You can't go wrong with either one, but the purpose for carrying a weapon is different for a civilian vs. a law enforcement officer. The added ammo capacity of the Glock is unnecessary for a civilian IMHO (and that is only my opinion), and since I carry a spare mag with my Kahr and never did when not required to with my Glock, it comes out the same. I love the Kahr long trigger pull and feel very confident in carrying it with a round in the chamber. I didn't fell that way with the Glock (too many reports of accidental discharges from other agencies; yes, I know they were probably all operator error), so I would carry condition 3 (full mag, no round in chamber), which was permitted by my agency. Personal preference; neither one is superior to the other.

[f44life]

thanks for the responses keep them coming, can somebody post the links oil pre lubing them (pre cleaning before first fire) and I heard you had to rachet the slide 500times or something and what oil and supplys I need. Ill prolly buy just the gun read the manual on it clean it, then a couple days later go by bullets and hopefully in between there ill get my permit.

I was looking at american eagle rounds just to shoot not self defense of course

500rds 145bucks 9mm
500rds 180bucks .40
500rds 214bucks .45

Thats a heck of a difference, but i guess you like what ya like.

[jocko]

thanks for the responses keep them coming, can somebody post the links oil pre lubing them (pre cleaning before first fire) and I heard you had to rachet the slide 500times or something and what oil and supplys I need. Ill prolly buy just the gun read the manual on it clean it, then a couple days later go by bullets and hopefully in between there ill get my permit.

I was looking at american eagle rounds just to shoot not self defense of course

500rds 145bucks 9mm
500rds 180bucks .40
500rds 214bucks .45

Thats a heck of a difference, but i guess you like what ya like.

this forum kahr tech section. The lube chart willbe in the first few sticky's at the top. It is super, use it as your guide for any semi.

then tool on down in that same kahr tech section until you find the thread PROPPER PREPPING OF YOUR NEW KAHR. lots of good tips there tomake your first range session a fun one.

go to wal mart and buy their 100 pak of WWB for around $23 a box. best price around and good ammo also...forget the defense ammo until the gun is running perfect, then choose the defenser ound of what is around ur area and test it out also..

[f44life]

thanks jocko I appreciate it

[ibm_db2]

imo a 9mm glock is pretty much an ideal "starter" gun so if you are new to handguns and want something you can carry the g26 is a great choice: affordable, reliable, easy to shoot and (imo) with a better trigger.



I couldn't disagree more Glock 9mm pistols are super great, but unless you order it with NY trigger, I would not recommend it as a "carry starter pistol". Too easy to for accidental discharge. Five of my coworkers got Glock 19, last year when Obama got elected, none of them is carrying it with a chambered round for fear of AD. None of my coworkers have any real training, they have not read one gun magazine article, no gun blogs, no gun forums etc. But their cousin, neighbor, coworker has a Glock so they get influence and get one. For real beginners a manual safety is in order, or a very heavy trigger pull.

[jocko]

totally agree. a Glock is not for everyone. My son who is not as gun nuts as I am but want sto learn etc and have a gun around his apartment also. I bought him a G19, I love it, but I put on the siderlock safety for him. I know some gun glaock fans will say no way but fgor my son and even for me this safety is right where a safety should be, and siderlock is totally machined. not a plastic part in it.

siderlock.com

look it over for your self, drops in, no mods needed. I bought mine from a glock armorer who attends alot of our major gun shows. It's the best I have seen for quality, looks, feel, and it is fast and interchangeable for right or left hand shooter.

[f44life]

I couldn't disagree more Glock 9mm pistols are super great, but unless you order it with NY trigger, I would not recommend it as a "carry starter pistol". Too easy to for accidental discharge. Five of my coworkers got Glock 19, last year when Obama got elected, none of them is carrying it with a chambered round for fear of AD. None of my coworkers have any real training, they have not read one gun magazine article, no gun blogs, no gun forums etc. But their cousin, neighbor, coworker has a Glock so they get influence and get one. For real beginners a manual safety is in order, or a very heavy trigger pull.

Um afraid it will be to clunky and I wont carry it much, and that trigger scares me. I have shot plenty of guns before when i was younger just never needed to own one myself...I moved from nw ohio (flat, boring) to 10min from downtown nashville in a diverse area....Im ready to carry and be responsible.

[joje]

Glock ... I would not recommend it as a "carry starter pistol". Too easy to for accidental discharge ... For real beginners a manual safety is in order, or a very heavy trigger pull.

ok this is totally off topic, but i really don't understand how a manual safety can make up for lack of training or judgement. a person, experienced or not, who doesn't understand to keep his finger of the trigger regardless of pistol design is probably best off not carrying. we all need to start somewhere. my first handgun was a glock and i felt the simplicity of the user interface decreased the risk of operator error.

ps i assume from your nick that you're a db admin? nice to see some other folks from the software industry on a gun board. there doesn't seem to be too many of us :)

[f44life]

you can holster a gun wrong and have it discharge

[MattTheKnife]

I'll add in my two cents.

I don't have a PM9, but I chopped the grip of mt CW9. So I say that counts. I also have a Glock 26.

They're both great sidearms. I've never had a problem with either and I shoot them with equal accuracy.

Of the two, I'd recommend the Glock over the Kahr. It is more durable and reliable. ex. With a Kahr, you have to get into the habit of "sling-shoting," or tugging back, the slide to load the weapon; with the Glock, you can reliable use the sling-shot method, or the slide-lock.

I realize the 26 is thicker and heavier, but is remains incredibly concealable. It is big for a pocket, but it can be carried in a pocket of proper design with a proper holster. Otherwise, the size difference is not noticeable.

Don't mention safety. Neither have an external, manual, safety. It's a matter of keeping your finger off the triggers until ready to fire with both. This is ametter of training.

The best way to avoid bad habits is to not learn them early on.

Don't get me wrong, I love my Kahrs and the afore-mentioned CW9 is my back-up/deep concealment weapon. But if it came down to just one gun: I'd take the 26.

[kahrseye]

I'll add in my two cents.

I don't have a PM9, but I chopped the grip of mt CW9. So I say that counts. I also have a Glock 26.

They're both great sidearms. I've never had a problem with either and I shoot them with equal accuracy.

Of the two, I'd recommend the Glock over the Kahr. It is more durable and reliable. ex. With a Kahr, you have to get into the habit of "sling-shoting," or tugging back, the slide to load the weapon; with the Glock, you can reliable use the sling-shot method, or the slide-lock.

I realize the 26 is thicker and heavier, but is remains incredibly concealable. It is big for a pocket, but it can be carried in a pocket of proper design with a proper holster. Otherwise, the size difference is not noticeable.

Don't mention safety. Neither have an external, manual, safety. It's a matter of keeping your finger off the triggers until ready to fire with both. This is ametter of training.

The best way to avoid bad habits is to not learn them early on.

Don't get me wrong, I love my Kahrs and the afore-mentioned CW9 is my back-up/deep concealment weapon. But if it came down to just one gun: I'd take the 26.

I pocket carry my PM9 almost every day.....shorts, jeans, dress pants, whatever. I CAN'T do that with my G27. I only carry the G27 in winter when I have heavier clothing and it's easier to conceal a OWB holster. The other day I pocket carried my PM45 in jean shorts. Try that with any glock. For those of us who really enjoy the comfortable carry, Kahr has it all over Glock. As far as reliability is concerned I would give the edge to glock overall, but have no issues whatsoever where my Kahrs are concerned. I do feel that Kahr quality control is getting much better.

As far as training to keep your finger off the trigger, I would agree, however accidents can and do happen. Recently I read either on this forum or on GlockTalk about a guy who was carrying his G30 in his jogging pants while shopping in a Home Depot or Lowes. The gun started to slip and when he went to grab it.....grabbed the trigger and shot one of his testicles. Had he carried a Kahr I don't think it would have happened. It's just not as easy to fire a Kahr as a glock with a standard 5.5 trigger. :crazy:

[jocko]

KAHREYE: DEAD ON WITH YOUR COMMENTS. Also that is why they call them accidents.. Why do people sometime touch a oven burner when it is on???ACCIDENTS. Glocks are what they are,probalby the most copied semi in the world. The trigger safety is loved and hated by some LEO'S. Personally not a safety, if you keep your finger out of that area, the gun won't go off, but we all know people tend to screw up. the lowe's storty if indeed half true is an indicator of what can go wrong. They say when you drop agun , just let it go but we all know to that most will try to save it from physical damage and again ACCIDENT. Probalby the only safe gun is an empty gun and from my stand point that is not a defense gun. Glocks are not for everyone. Kahrs are not for everyone. the safer of the two goes to Kahr. In my mind the most accurate and most reliabe of the two goes to glock. Although my K9 aned PM9 have been flawless, as has been my Glock. What is between one's ears to me is the true indication of whether one should be carrying ANY gun.

but for me only the kahr's are truly a pocketable gun and I don't mean these baggy ass pants either. I can and do carry my PM9 24/7 in a desantis in jeans 24/7. It is not the most fast draw position but I don't get to carried away with that scenario either. BG doesn't know your carrying and the eliment of surprise is, I think , on your side. They really don't want a confrontation with anyone carrying a weapon, rthere are just to many unarmed people out there to prey on..

good luck guys, I'm outta here for 4 days, wife and I are taking the two harley's and headed to Branson and the mountain area...keep the pease.. and oh yes BAWANNA is back to be on the alert!! He is pissed as all he caught on his fishing trip was CARP and he is going to take it out on us!!!!

[kahrseye]

Man Shoots Himself in Testicles:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2012026554_shooting04m.html

[f44life]

I guess you would have to joke after you completly humialated your self and permit holders.

Since ive never shot a glock, it would be easier for me just to learn only the kahr and i wont know the difference.

I was at a local gun store, old guy at the counter we were talking i said Im a little scared of that trigger on the glock....he is like safest gun in the world, police and military use them, burry them for a 1year in the dirt theyll work drop them on cement from a helicopter and it wont go off or damage...

I didnt want to debate so i just nodded.

How many pound pull is the kahr? other then the long pull on it?

glock is 5.5pound

[jocko]

kahrs out of the factory are about around 6-7#

[f44life]

thats makes them more safer then the glock