Found a P45 with crimson trace

[Brandon14295]

I found a used p45 with crimson trace laser installed and 2 magazines for $499 at LGS. Seemed like a good deal. I took it to the range and found it shot low, much lower than my CM45. I also experienced 1 fte and 1 stovepipe in 100 rounds tested. I then took it home and cleaned it inside and out as it was very dirty from previous owner. I dont know how I feel about the laser, Ive never used one before, im used to just using iron sights so I might sell the crimson trace. Hopefully I can improve my grouping.

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[berettabone]

Never was in to lasers myself...............................with more time, you'll get used to it. Every firearm is different.

[Bawanna]

I have one for my PM45. I'm kind of a yo yo with it. I'm really not partial to the look of the thing myself.
It does have a huge advantage in aiming from awkward positions and no doubt has a huge deterrent effect on those who the dot lands on.
I too am accustomed to using the sights as everyone should be so your not up a creek when the battery dies on the laser.

Mine goes on and off all the time. Right now it's currently off and has been for quite awhile, maybe I've finally decided to go without?

[jcannady]

I thought that lasers were great at first. My problem with them is it is too easy to get used to them and then you are relying on finding the little red dot. Not too easy in bright daylight and impossible if the laser malfunctions. I would rather have solid shooting skills than a toy that ruins the look of the gun. My 2 cents

[Bobshouse]

I have lasers on my carry guns, they are sighted in for 21 feet. They shoot to exact point of aim at 21 feet, about an inch lower at any closer distance and about an inch higher, increasing per foot, at further distances.

They are not made for competition shoots, but in a gunfight its nice to know that you will hit in the general area of the dot.

[jcannady]

For those of us who have actually been in a gunfight you will be much better served by training in instinct shooting than using a laser. Everything goes to hell in that moment and you don't want to depend on finding the little red dot on the bad guy. They are nothing but a crutch for a lack of training.

[Bobshouse]

For those of us who have actually been in a gunfight you will be much better served by training in instinct shooting than using a laser. Everything goes to hell in that moment and you don't want to depend on finding the little red dot on the bad guy. They are nothing but a crutch for a lack of training.

I wouldn't know, the gunfight I was in was years ago and they didn't have lasers. But now, after surviving the mess I was in, I take any advantage I can get.

Here's a few pics of the scene, notice they didn't have lasers either.

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I have more, but showing dead people is unethical.

[jcannady]

My point is just that lasers are a crutch, especially to those with little training and experience. Good tactics are better, IMHO, than relying on a $200 add-on that is far from 100% reliable.

[MyOtherKahr]

Lasers are a crutch? Does that include the US armed forces and the SWAT teams that use them? At night, in a dark alley or a theater full of people, I would rather be able to put a bright red dot on the threat than hope I am sighted on him. I don't use it at the range, I don't think I would rely on it in a daylight threat situation...but when it is dark, or in a dark room...I'm happy to have it.

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[Bills1873]

Lasers are a crutch? Does that include the US armed forces and the SWAT teams that use them? At night, in a dark alley or a theater full of people, I would rather be able to put a bright red dot on the threat than hope I am sighted on him. I don't use it at the range, I don't think I would rely on it in a daylight threat situation...but when it is dark, or in a dark room...I'm happy to have it.

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Lasers definitely have their uses! Combined with open sights, you're covered in light and dark.

[Bawanna]

I guess I think of it as another tool in the tool box myself.
When I had mine on I put a piece of tape over it at the range except when I was using it.

They are a great training aid watching a new shooter as you and everyone else at the range can tell what they are doing prior to and during the trigger pull.

[jcannady]

Lasers are a crutch? Does that include the US armed forces and the SWAT teams that use them? At night, in a dark alley or a theater full of people, I would rather be able to put a bright red dot on the threat than hope I am sighted on him. I don't use it at the range, I don't think I would rely on it in a daylight threat situation...but when it is dark, or in a dark room...I'm happy to have it.

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Yes, a crutch. If you focus on that tiny dot you will not develop proper shooting techniques. You will rely on seeing that damn dot. If you have never had a crimson trace laser lose battery power or shift alignment or have the aperture get clogged with lint so you can't see it, just wait, your time is coming. Just think of it this way, if you've been so focused on that tiny dot in your practice, what happens when you actually need the gun for real and you don't have the dot because of a malfunction? You'll waste critical seconds looking for a dot that's not there.

On the other hand, it's your life. Good luck!


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[MyOtherKahr]

Yes, a crutch. If you focus on that tiny dot you will not develop proper shooting techniques. You will rely on seeing that damn dot. If you have never had a crimson trace laser lose battery power or shift alignment or have the aperture get clogged with lint so you can't see it, just wait, your time is coming. Just think of it this way, if you've been so focused on that tiny dot in your practice, what happens when you actually need the gun for real and you don't have the dot because of a malfunction? You'll waste critical seconds looking for a dot that's not there.

On the other hand, it's your life. Good luck!


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I totally see your point...although I would not train with a laser or a flashlight, I do consider them useful and a tool to increase my odds. But yes...if I relied on these devices, I would be foolishly assuming they would always work and that is not correct. Thanks for your perspective. [emoji106]

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[rowdy115]

I have a crimson trace on my CM9. I'm also a very good shot with iron sights, I just like to be able to shoot the thing with both eyes open. Its a lot of fun. To each their own I suppose