Coming in hard to the Kahr line!

[jayo84]

Hell all! New Kahr owner here! I am not new to guns though, I have bought and sold over 30 handguns now at this point. I view it more as renting at this point lol...
I must say I am in love with my CM9. I had a Kimber Solo previous and didnt like it very much, It really was not fun to shoot, and wasnt 100% reliable.. I sold it and got the cm9. Took it to the range and was holding on tight expecting to recoil like the kimber, but it did not! I was so pleasantly surprised at how well this "pocket gun" shot! This gun shoots as well as any full size weapons I have had. The trigger is sooo smooth! I just love the kahr cm9 so much, I went ahead and picked up a CT380 and let me tell you, I am in love again! Talk about a pleasure to shoot!! Its less recoil than the cm9 and you get 2 more rounds! I could see the CT380 being a main carry weapon with a good hot .380 load. The only issue I see is the ct380 wont lock open on last shot. I am shooting winchester white box so I wonder if maybe it's not powerful enough to throw the slide all the way open as the last shot hold does work when you pull the slide back manually. I also had 1 fte out of the first 45 rounds. I have about 100 rounds through the cm9 with 0 malfunctions. I have no compaints at this time except for the damn 7 round mag for the cm9 nose dives the first round. I bought the lakeline follower, and it fixed the 7 round mag 100%

[Bills1873]

Welcome jayo! Great little guns you have! Got a PM9 and a CM45, love them both. You can bet there's someone on here that will be happy to help with the ct380 problem. Won't be long, I'm sure.

[rowdy115]

Welcome. I also have a CM9. Love it! I have the Lakeline followers in all 4 of my mags.

[muggsy]

Firm up your wrist or your grip and it should lock back.

[yqtszhj]

Welcome to the forum. The cm9 is a good one. Glad your ct380 is working well too.

[CJB]

Welcome! Shoot the fokker like u stole it!

[New Guy With a Crack]

I used to have a P380 and it wouldn't lock back for me. My friends shot it and never had the same problem. The way I was holding my thumb against the frame meant my thumb was brushing against the slide lock. Try shooting it one handed or be very mindful of where your thumb is and I bet the problem goes away.

[hardluk1]

You have started something there no easy fix for but to buy a larger kahr next . Maybe a ct9 or tp9mm . Welcome to the group .

[Scarywoody]

I have a CM9 and a CW9. Still need to get the followers. :(

[jayo84]

Thanks for all the replies! I forgot to mention that I did get a wolf striker spring for the CM9. I notice a slightly better pull when shooting, not so much when dry firing. The limp wrist theory is tough to swallow as I actually workout quite a bit and have a killer grip, but I do utilize a long thumb grip when shooting, something I started when shooting USPSA and it stuck with me! That being said, perhaps my thumb is indeed making contact with the slide stop lever..

[jayo84]

You have started something there no easy fix for but to buy a larger kahr next . Maybe a ct9 or tp9mm . Welcome to the group .

Funny you say that. I been thinking about a higher capacity gun for home defense.. Or another reason to get another Kahr lol.

[Bawanna]

The term limp wrist and girlyman often time seem synonymous but it's really not the case. I forget what term Kahr now uses but they do so because people are appalled to think they might be girlymen.

It's all about the grip. I have officers here that are big ole boys, (I can of course still take them all, especially after lunch and a short nap) but some have grip issues on the smaller guns.

Nothing to be ashamed of. It's two different things.

[Alfonse]

The term limp wrist and girlyman often time seem synonymous but it's really not the case. I forget what term Kahr now uses but they do so because people are appalled to think they might be girlymen.

It's all about the grip. I have officers here that are big ole boys, (I can of course still take them all, especially after lunch and a short nap) but some have grip issues on the smaller guns.

Nothing to be ashamed of. It's two different things.

What Bawanna said. I don't think it is usually the wrist either. I had to hold the CW380 differently, since it is so tiny, to keep it functioning correctly. In fact, once I changed my grip, I didn't have to hold it as tight, just a comfortable solid grip. Even though my hand was tight and solid originally, the CW380 was sort of rattling around in it anyway until I changed my hold.

I think most of the complaints on the .380s where the pistol is having failures to feed and eject even after a trip back to Kahr are because the owners are not holding the pistol in a way that it can cycle reliably. Many of them blame the pistol though, which I suppose must be easier for them than experimenting with their grip.

[jayo84]

The term limp wrist and girlyman often time seem synonymous but it's really not the case. I forget what term Kahr now uses but they do so because people are appalled to think they might be girlymen.

It's all about the grip. I have officers here that are big ole boys, (I can of course still take them all, especially after lunch and a short nap) but some have grip issues on the smaller guns.

Nothing to be ashamed of. It's two different things.

Gotcha! I guess I will have to try it out, for me it's not a deal breaker, I was just seeing if anyone thought the gun was defective or perhaps the WWB rounds arent strong enough to throw the slide all the way back. Maybe next range visit i'll get a video of the grip and shooting and you guys can judge..

Thanks again for all the feedback!

[b4uqzme]

^^^ I'll pile on. I seriously doubt these clumsy hands could properly operate a CW/P380. Maybe a CT380 would work. That thinness is really cool but doesn't leave you much to hold onto. My MK9 taught me all I know about gripping a pistol. And that's a small as I am comfortable. I'll carry a MDE380 in a pinch and it cycles fine but it bites back at times. ;)

[Bawanna]

For what it's worth, this is also a major reason Kahr sometimes balks at paying return shipping. Quite often the receive the gun and it functions flawlessly for them. Nothing needed.
Owner gets it back and they are all ticked off, nothing changed. It's operator error not the gun.
Often times but not always of course.

I've always felt they should send a label (they can ship much cheaper than the average person). If there's an issue that needs repaired, they pick up the tab. If it's operator error and nothing wrong the consumer picks up the tab.

Course it would be best for consumer to pay up front and then get reimbursed if called for, otherwise they would get a lot of no payers.

[jayo84]

For what it's worth, this is also a major reason Kahr sometimes balks at paying return shipping. Quite often the receive the gun and it functions flawlessly for them. Nothing needed.
Owner gets it back and they are all ticked off, nothing changed. It's operator error not the gun.
Often times but not always of course.

I've always felt they should send a label (they can ship much cheaper than the average person). If there's an issue that needs repaired, they pick up the tab. If it's operator error and nothing wrong the consumer picks up the tab.

Course it would be best for consumer to pay up front and then get reimbursed if called for, otherwise they would get a lot of no payers.


Fortunately my hands are on the smaller side so I feel I get a pretty good grip on it, but it is certainly small. I will sure up the grip and see.

Again I have owned many .380's and this is the first one to give me last shot open issues. Problem is the other .380's didnt have a mag release button at all except the taurus TCP.

[RolandD]

Gotcha! I guess I will have to try it out, for me it's not a deal breaker, I was just seeing if anyone thought the gun was defective or perhaps the WWB rounds arent strong enough to throw the slide all the way back. Maybe next range visit i'll get a video of the grip and shooting and you guys can judge..

Thanks again for all the feedback!
I'd try other ammo's, also. But, I agree that grip could be part of the problem. You see a lot more issues with the CW380 and the CM9, than with the CT380 and the CW9. They gotta be basically the same on the inside. You also don't see many problems with 7 round mag in the CW9.

Speaking of ammo, I remember a post about using higher velocity ammo in the CW380, for break-in. With more energy, the gun is probably more forgiving.

[SlowBurn]

Gotcha! I guess I will have to try it out, for me it's not a deal breaker, I was just seeing if anyone thought the gun was defective or perhaps the WWB rounds arent strong enough to throw the slide all the way back. Maybe next range visit i'll get a video of the grip and shooting and you guys can judge.

I dunno if limp wrist is the problem, but if so, its easy to fix.
Try this sitting at home: using your gun hand, simply grip 2 fingers of your other hand. You'll be able to "lock" your wrist so it doesn't rock, without tightening on the fingers. Simple once you're aware, and doesn't involve strength. Its just a matter of making your wrist and forearm act as one solid "bone" so the wrist doesn't soften the recoil.

[kwh]

^^Excellent advice. It took me a little time to figure out a "limp wrist" and a straight wrist are 2 different things. It made all the difference!

[jayo84]

I dunno if limp wrist is the problem, but if so, its easy to fix.
Try this sitting at home: using your gun hand, simply grip 2 fingers of your other hand. You'll be able to "lock" your wrist so it doesn't rock, without tightening on the fingers. Simple once you're aware, and doesn't involve strength. Its just a matter of making your wrist and forearm act as one solid "bone" so the wrist doesn't soften the recoil.

I never broke it down like this! Sounds like some awesome advice man! Will start practicing this method!
Thanks a million!