Kahr PM 9193 with enhanced trigger

[John A]

"The new enhanced trigger has a 1/4” length of pull with an approximate 7.5 lb. trigger pull weight compared to a 3/8” length of pull for the standard trigger. The trigger pull weight for the enhanced trigger is the same as the standard trigger, approximately 7.5 lb."

Since it is only 1/8" less travel can anyone tell me if the enhanced trigger makes a significant difference in the felt travel and reset?

[jocko]

"The new enhanced trigger has a 1/4” length of pull with an approximate 7.5 lb. trigger pull weight compared to a 3/8” length of pull for the standard trigger. The trigger pull weight for the enhanced trigger is the same as the standard trigger, approximately 7.5 lb."

Since it is only 1/8" less travel can anyone tell me if the enhanced trigger makes a significant difference in the felt travel and reset?


IMO, the only great advantage or disadvantage is the enhanced comes with a manual safety, U can use it or not, but its not an option. an 1/8" less travel IMO is not that noticeable, but some will swear differently. If u can't shoot the kahr with the elite trigger which is 3/8 travel, them IMO the 1/8" less aint gonna help you alot. Again IMO they are not target guns, but they will savew ur life./

[John A]

Thank you Jocko,

"IMO, the only great advantage or disadvantage is the enhanced comes with a manual safety, U can use it or not, but its not an option. an 1/8" less travel IMO is not that noticeable, but some will swear differently. If u can't shoot the kahr with the elite trigger which is 3/8 travel, them IMO the 1/8" less aint gonna help you alot. Again IMO they are not target guns, but they will savew ur life./"

Exactly, that 1/8" less travel represents a 33.3% reduction and the safety can be ignored. As a long time IPSC/IDPA shooter I know the importance of trigger travel and reset for fast shooting while providing combat accuracy.

I'm researching pocket guns as my EDC during Florida's summers when shorts and T-shirts are the norm. Not being familiar with Kahr's I'm hoping some PM 9193 owners will provide their opinions but it appears that there are not very many of them?

[Bills1873]

+1 on Jocko's statement. All the "regular" Kahrs have great triggers anyway.

[OvalNut]

I Really, Really like my PM9193. Really nice trigger. It is though the only Kahr I have shot so I am certainly biased, and ignorant of the other Kahr triggers. It shoots somewhat like a 2 stage trigger. It allows you to get to a very brittle point after the initial takeup, then just breathe and the shot goes off. Very accurate. When shooting quickly I never noticed the reset, so maybe that tells you something. It always just goes bang right away.

The trigger though was not why I bought it. I like a manual frame safety, and wanted to get a small carry pistol for summertime. My other pistols are Beretta PX4 Storms which have an up for fire safety, so I wanted my carry pistol to have the same safety direction to avoid confusion.

Yeah, yeah, safeties on a pistol are dumb/unsafe/dangerous/slow. The only real safety is between your ears ... Whatever. Safety on with one in the pipe in a kydex holster is my method of carry.


Tim

[John A]

Reading the CM9 Accuracy Issues (http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?27945-CM9-Accuracy-Issues) post above reinforces my desire to locate someone that has shot both the regular trigger and the enhanced trigger for their opinion. Someone posted that they shot about 6,000 rounds per year, I have shot 18,000 - 20,000 competitive and practice rounds per year for many years and for me trigger travel & reset make all the difference. Unfortunately after 153 response no one has responded?

[Bobshouse]

Not to many of us have had the opportunity to shoot a Kahr with the enhanced trigger. I'd like to try one, but I don't want one with an external safety, we have to many unnecessary "safety" devices shoved down our throats here in California already.

[berettabone]

I really doubt whether ANY noticeable difference would be noticed. If the pull weight is the same, and, if like my Kahr, it has no negligible reset, how would you ever be able to tell, unless you owned both, and practiced with both for an extended period of time, which on a close range defensive gun would be foolish, unless your extraordinarily rich, or you reload, or you have lots of time, or all three.......................................

[John A]

Since it is a DAO the safety can be ignored. For me it's not a question of accuracy since I'm capable of achieving rapid fire, point shooting combat accuracy, out to 7 - 10 yards, but with a long pull and reset it's easy to short stroke the trigger and that could get me killed. I have looked in many large and small gun shops in Central Florida for one that carries both models so I could work the triggers side by side, to no avail, hence my posting here.

[CharlieR]

I have a non-enhanced PM9 9094N.....but have dry-fired the 9193. I liked it. It is a noticeably shorter pull, much like my Kimber Solo DC, whose trigger feels just like the PM9 but a shorter pull before the break. It will boil down to your personal preference. I have no use for the backwards manual safety, however. Also I prefer my guns all black....not an option on the 9193. YMMV.

[hardluk1]

John Not short stroking the trigger as so much more about rounds fired down range and breaking what may be old habits .

What type trigger and pull weight are you use to with your other handguns . If there not heavier double action triggers your 18 to 20,000 rounds a years means little to nothing compared to a your 7.5lb da type trigger .

If there short stroke striker triggers in the 3.5 to 4.5lb range you have some training to do .

If there a little to no reset SA triggers in the 3lb to 4lb range then its even worse .

I bought my first kahr off an older guy use to well tuned 1911's for match use he also shot other handguns but double action only trigger was new to him and he shot more than you do . Between his ammo choice for lite loads and the long trigger reset he got mad and sold me his his kahr cw9 cheap . Turns out he lived close by and became shooting friends and he later bought another kahr practiced with it only for a few weeks and the kahr replaced his LW officers 1911 for carry .

Not sure if this works in the enhanced models but Wolff has a Reduced Pressure striker spring some of use for a lighter trigger pulls . Standard 9mm and 40sw tend have a 6 lb 6.5lb trigger when new and the wolff spring will lower it about 1 LB with no loss in reliability .

See what you can rent . Ranges near you may have some kahrs in there rental fleet , at least around here they do so you can compare trigger pulls or ask who lives in your "nknown" area you may meet with to swap handguns with at a range !! If your in the middle NC mountains eastern upper TN you can shoot one of mine . Other wise learning a new trigger can be a real head game even for some season shooters . For others its nothing special .