PPQ 22 or 22/45 ??

[CJB]

On the fence with choice.

Anyone have any experience with the PPQ 22 pistol. I like the ergonomics, which is supposed to be the same as the PPQ (looks the same). Supposed to be reliable, at least in the short term. Aluminum slide, and poly frame. Some steel inserts in the aluminum - like the breech face and slide stop area, for better wear characteristics. Not a bad idea.

Then the tried and true Ruger. I've had three before, and always sold them off for one reason or another. Some were plain, some quite nice. The best was a Mark II, blued steel, that I shot in bullseye "300" matches. Did ok too with it!

So, in the quest for another .22 handgun.... any preference?

[Bobshouse]

I've heard a lot of stories about the LCI blowing out on the Ruger. Other than that they shoot great, have lots of upgradeable parts. There's a fake LCI replacement available, made of metal that matches the barrel finish pretty decently.

Haven't seen any PPQ's at the club, but Walther's are really nice shooters also.

You have a hard decision to make!

[Planedude]

I like the Browning Buckmark, but don't own one. They shoot great and are popular with new shooters. I have used a pair from a friend to teach young people to safely handle handguns. We had Rugers, a Hi Standard and the pair of Buckmarks for the young folks to pick from. the Browning's were far and away the most popular choice of the first time shooters.
I have the little Walthers that I wound up with in a trade deal. It needed some "tweeking" and its ammo picky but it is fun to shoot.
My main .22 is an old S&W 2206 that just shoots and shoots.
Let us know what you wind up getting.

[kenemoore]

The Rugers are a bear to clean, so I would be tempted to try the Walther.

[nmkahrshooter]

Have you considered a Smith & Wesson Victory. I own one and it is a great shooter. Very easy to break down and clean. Just giving another option.

[hardluk1]

I would only consider a ppq22 was if I carried a ppq center fire as a edc. Other wise it would be another brand .

[CJB]

I'm leaning more for a Ruger. Had 'em before. Know how to tweak the triggers. Newer MkIII will need mag disconnect removed, and LCI replaced with metal. Not the worst thing. I for one, never had a problem with disassembly or reassembly of those, except the initial pull out of the lever was always a tough one, needing a little tool to get it started.

The Walther.... also has a pencil thin barrel with a shroud and cap. The shroud covers the barrel and the cap threads onto the barrel's muzzle to pull the barrel, via shroud, into the barrel block at the breech end. "They" say that's what gave Dan Wesson revolvers such great accuracy, but, it could have been how you'd adjust the gap whenever replacing barrels, or other factors. To me, pulling on the front of a barrel to keep it in place sets up stresses that maybe.... just maybe ....you don't want.

Still pondering. The 22/45 has a familiar 1911 grip. That aint soooo bad. Not as nice as Walther's though. If you ever want to feel a great grip, check out a PPQ... just phenominally nice. If you ever want to feel a terrible grip, check out the Ruger American, phenominally pediculous.

[jeepster09]

My choice is S&W Model 63, if a revolver works. [bottom one] It is 3 inch, 8 shot and light weight.

[340pd]

If you want accuracy and reliability with a variety of ammo, I would go with the Rugers, S&W Victory, or the Browning Buckmark. I have a 22/45 and a MKIII both with Volquartsen innards that will shoot right with my old Hammerli SP20 and 280's. The Ruger takedown is not a problem if you take the time to look at the factory website and follow the directions with respect to positioning the gun during re-assembly. I would gut the MKIII style mag disconnect and install Volguratsen parts. In fact I just bought a late model used 22/45, put the barrel assembly on a new Volquartsen alloy frame, and sold the factory polymer frame to another shooter Now I have a pea shooter that will run with the best of them.

Over the years working, I have observed all the "looks and feels like my MP, Sig, Walther, etc," in .22 caliber, all fall way short in their ability to be really dependable and accurate.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t320/gnystrom_photos/VQ%202245_zpsl20naqw9.jpg

[CJB]

Heavily leaning on the Ruger.... but in the Walther's defense, its reliable. I guess no less reliable, in terms of aluminum and steel, than other pistols. And... the steel inserts gotta help. Nice looking Rugquartzen!

Gotta do some lookin at Vol's site, see whats out there for parts. I used to get Ruger .22 Auto parts from Clark, but... they've pretty much discontinued most items for those. Jim as a big believer in the Ruger, shot it competitively. After he passed the torch, the kids just didn't see it in the same way.

I think I've made up my mind for a .22/45 bull 5-1/2 inch. It has the most flexibility of any of 'em out there really.

Back in the day, I built one up for my friend KJ. I took a big bar... 2-1/2 inch or so... of stainless, and bored it, and fit it to the Ruger's top end as a complete shroud on the barrel. Slab sides, no fastener's needed friction fit (think: freezer and oven trick). It had a Redfield pistol scope on it, and we'd hit mini clays with it whenever we wanted to, at 100 yds measured out.... that's how far the dirt bank was from the picnic table! That one had stock MKii parts, but I cut the sear and reduced the hammer engagement a bit. I had a Beretta 76, done up the same way... but the Ruger shot better.

[Bobshouse]

Here are my bowling pin and silhouette shooters. All have VQ triggers and sears, Clark bushings, with a trigger pull of about 2 pounds.

http://i1045.photobucket.com/albums/b456/Cynergybob/47898252-fd0b-477a-90ec-4fb9937301ec_zpsg1czn9ww.jpg (http://s1045.photobucket.com/user/Cynergybob/media/47898252-fd0b-477a-90ec-4fb9937301ec_zpsg1czn9ww.jpg.html)

[gb6491]

Darn, I'm a Ruger MKII fan, but I'll throw some love the Buck Mark's way (like them quite a bit as well):
A spring flip in the Buck Mark will generally give a trigger pull as good as anything a Volquartsen sear will do in a Ruger (at least that's what has happened in my guns)
http://i61.tinypic.com/f298hv.jpg
http://i54.tinypic.com/295bhgl.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/34g8vaa.jpg
http://i63.tinypic.com/6zn28n.jpg
Regards,
Greg

[Bawanna]

Nothing to help much but here's my favorite 22's. I gave the MKII to my son so I guess I need to find a replacement. I'm also torn between the 22/45 or a MKIII.
But my hands down no contest favorite is my Smith 41. It makes me look good even on bad days and I have my fair share of bad days. I bought it used. It was built in 1973. I almost bought a brand new on but I'm so happy I got the older one. Has the loaded chamber indicator in the back which to me is just a confirmation that it's the older style. I like old stuff.
I'd like to find a 5" top end to hand on it for fun sometimes.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n538/hopke5/DSCN6547_zpsmdfakvdb.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/hopke5/media/DSCN6547_zpsmdfakvdb.jpg.html)

The Colt Woodsman Match Target was my favorite till I got the Smith. It's bugging me with a few issues but I haven't really been focusing on fixing it, kind of a shoot one, feed and chamber but not reset the striker kind of thing. Gregs been helping on that one but I don't have it figured out yet. Still love it, feels so sweet in hand and a shooter too.
http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n538/hopke5/DSCN6548_zpsphmybfgq.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/hopke5/media/DSCN6548_zpsphmybfgq.jpg.html)
The Ruger is stone cold stock, never any grief except the first few times I tried to detail strip it. Once you figure out how to hold your mouth, and wiggle the right things it's no problem.
Had it a long time, eats everything.
http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n538/hopke5/DSCN6549_zpszp5foyxy.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/hopke5/media/DSCN6549_zpszp5foyxy.jpg.html)

[340pd]

The one I give to all my students for their first experience with a handgun. All VQ, and the balance is perfect. Dozens of students have gone home with a great target to hang on their refrigerator. This gun is a real confidence builder.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t320/gnystrom_photos/b9127819-5b74-4a20-ac92-9fcecf74fc5c_zpse3ea489a.jpg

[CJB]

Ok.....MkIII or 22/45 ?

[gb6491]

Nothing to help much but here's my favorite 22's. I gave the MKII to my son so I guess I need to find a replacement. I'm also torn between the 22/45 or a MKIII.
But my hands down no contest favorite is my Smith 41. It makes me look good even on bad days and I have my fair share of bad days. I bought it used. It was built in 1973. I almost bought a brand new on but I'm so happy I got the older one. Has the loaded chamber indicator in the back which to me is just a confirmation that it's the older style. I like old stuff.
I'd like to find a 5" top end to hand on it for fun sometimes.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n538/hopke5/DSCN6547_zpsmdfakvdb.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/hopke5/media/DSCN6547_zpsmdfakvdb.jpg.html)

The Colt Woodsman Match Target was my favorite till I got the Smith. It's bugging me with a few issues but I haven't really been focusing on fixing it, kind of a shoot one, feed and chamber but not reset the striker kind of thing. Gregs been helping on that one but I don't have it figured out yet. Still love it, feels so sweet in hand and a shooter too.
http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n538/hopke5/DSCN6548_zpsphmybfgq.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/hopke5/media/DSCN6548_zpsphmybfgq.jpg.html)
The Ruger is stone cold stock, never any grief except the first few times I tried to detail strip it. Once you figure out how to hold your mouth, and wiggle the right things it's no problem.
Had it a long time, eats everything.
http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n538/hopke5/DSCN6549_zpszp5foyxy.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/hopke5/media/DSCN6549_zpszp5foyxy.jpg.html)
Beautiful pistols Boss! You've also become quite adept with the camera:photo:
I've got some beads and blankets I'll trade you for that broken Colt:madgrin:....
...I'll even throw in an old knife:angel:
http://i49.tinypic.com/345xve1.jpg

"I'd like to find a 5" top end to hand on it for fun sometimes."
That's something I like about the Buck Mark...you can switch barrels easily and no government agency needs to be involved.

You've got a nice MKII, so a 22/45 would make a nice companion. I've got an older 22/45 with the bulky grip and one I built from parts. Here's the parts gun:
http://i64.tinypic.com/24bjaqu.jpg

Regards,
Greg

[landman]

between your choices I would pick the walther but my favorite is the smith m&p .22 compact

[Bobshouse]

Ok.....MkIII or 22/45 ?

Aw, the heck with it, get both!

Gb, that 22/45 has wood grips, is that a higher grade pistol or another piece of your handycraft? I've only seen them with the polyframe built in grips.

[jeepster09]

Ok, if it has to be a pistol and not a revolver, get a Smith model 41. Ahlman's drilled and installed a fiber optic front sight in the blade.

http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv276/jeepster09/IMG_1266.jpg (http://s691.photobucket.com/user/jeepster09/media/IMG_1266.jpg.html)

[gb6491]

Aw, the heck with it, get both!

Gb, that 22/45 has wood grips, is that a higher grade pistol or another piece of your handycraft? I've only seen them with the polyframe built in grips.
I bought that frame off ebay (of all places), but I just checked the Ruger site and the version with removable panels does require more dinero: http://www.ruger.com/products/2245Target/models.html
Regards,
Greg

BTW, frames are available here: http://www.ruger-parts.net/grip-frames-grip-panels/

[Bawanna]

Beautiful pistols Boss! You've also become quite adept with the camera:photo:
I've got some beads and blankets I'll trade you for that broken Colt:madgrin:....
...I'll even throw in an old knife:angel:
http://i49.tinypic.com/345xve1.jpg

"I'd like to find a 5" top end to hand on it for fun sometimes."
That's something I like about the Buck Mark...you can switch barrels easily and no government agency needs to be involved.

You've got a nice MKII, so a 22/45 would make a nice companion. I've got an older 22/45 with the bulky grip and one I built from parts. Here's the parts gun:
http://i64.tinypic.com/24bjaqu.jpg

Regards,
Greg

Oh sure he drops damascus and stag in front of me and drops me to my knee's. You have any idea how hard it is to get back into a wheelchair from that position? Hmmmmm? That looks about the perfect size knife too, about 7 to 8" over all. Seems like I've seen that marking before too but I'm not remembering.
Maybe PM me some history and a bit about the beads and blankets or do it here, we got nothing to hide.

I love this Woodsman but it don't get out much and it might just love you more than me.

[Barth]

Oh sure he drops damascus and stag in front of me and drops me to my knee's. You have any idea how hard it is to get back into a wheelchair from that position? Hmmmmm? That looks about the perfect size knife too, about 7 to 8" over all. Seems like I've seen that marking before too but I'm not remembering.
Maybe PM me some history and a bit about the beads and blankets or do it here, we got nothing to hide.

I love this Woodsman but it don't get out much and it might just love you more than me.

LOL, that looks just your speed Bawanna.
We all have our weaknesses...:D