Single Stack 9s [Archive] - KahrTalk Forums

Barth

06-18-2016, 10:58 AM

Broke out the digital scale just for fun - LOL!

Sig P229 357 (12+1 125 gr Speer GDHP) 39.8 oz
Walther PPS M2 (7+1 147 gr Federal HST) 25.7 oz
Ruger LC9s Pro (7+1 147 gr Federal HST) 21.2 oz
Ruger LCP Gen 2 (6+1 90 gr Hornady XTP) 12.3 oz

On paper the PPS and LC9s are nearly identical.
But for me, the LC9s works for pocket carry and BUG (lighter/smaller Sub-Compact).
And the PPS fills more of a primary role (flat/light with full grip Compact).

I'm liking owning (and likely carrying) both http://glocktalk.com/images/smilies/greensupergrin.gif

http://i1361.photobucket.com/albums/r678/barthunderwood/2016-06-18%2009.09.49_zpsz0mivgzu.jpg

RonW

06-18-2016, 01:47 PM

I'm not a huge fan of the Walther PPS/PPQ's etc. I guess it's a combination of looks & feel in the hand... The Ruger LC9s is nice, along with the M&P shield's, Glock 19 is not too shabby either. The G43 feels weird in my hand, hard to explain, just doesnt feel right. Then of course my Kahr K9 feels really nice in the hand

jashsayani

06-18-2016, 02:09 PM

Kahr CW9 is a good single stack 9 for carry
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160618/a80cd809aad6e5ccf083873334a11197.jpg

RonW

06-18-2016, 02:12 PM

Kahr CW9 is a good single stack 9 for carry
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160618/a80cd809aad6e5ccf083873334a11197.jpg

I've been toteing around my CM9 for better part of today :cool:

Barth

06-19-2016, 04:43 AM

I know Kahr is famous for single stack 9mms.
But their .380 seemed to have some issues with some folks.
So when I saw Stainless Ruger LCP gen 2s on sale for $249?
I jumped on the deal.
Was so impressed with it, when I saw the LC9s Pro on sale for $339?
I just had to try it out too.

I know it's blasphemous on a Kahr forum.
But it seems like this place is forgiving to owning other brands as well.:)
The ergonomics and triggers of the two Rugers just click with me.

As for the Walther PPS M2?
I've been eyeing them for a long time.
Everybody knows I've got a thing for German guns.
Actually shot a friends Classic PPS and liked it a lot.
I really need to stop browsing GrabaGun.
Saw the M2 on sale for $419 and folded like a cheap rusty lawnchair - LOL!
Next day they were sold out!
Now, still sold out and the price is rising.

My LGS said their customers are asking for the M2s and they can't get them.
Same with the gen 2 LCPs (for three months).

It's a crazy run on handguns for me.
But hell, you only live once right?
I'm going to enjoy the ride!:cool:

yqtszhj

06-19-2016, 07:48 AM

Barth

06-19-2016, 10:31 AM

Funny how different grips fit folks hands. Combination of palm size and finger length is it I guess. The lcp with the hogue grip, the Sigs, kahrs, and Walthers all feel good to me. Gen 4 glocks are OK too (not so much the earlier ones.) But then I picked up the lc9s the other day and man that grip is thin. I'd have to do some serious grip mod to that one to fit me well. So that one is off my list for a minute or so. Now the ruger sr-22 fits good. Dont tell the wife but that one may be next.

It feels crazy thin to hold.
But being just 17 oz it balances really well and shoots surprisingly well with the flush mags!
Plus it's so flat and light it carries dreamy on the back hip.
And the trigger is outstanding with live fire.

I've often found just holding a gun doesn't necessarily translate into how it feels during live fire.
This Ruger is better to shoot and carry than to just pick up and hold.
If that makes sense.

Alfonse

06-19-2016, 10:36 AM

Congrats on the new pistols! I'm officially jealous of the Walther. I like German guns, and Czech guns, too.

Barth

06-19-2016, 10:42 AM

As for the PPS Range Report?
It runs with any ammo (big surprise).
Is extremely accurate (another big surprise).
Has a nice trigger.

I need more head to head range time with the PPS and LC9s to draw direct comparisons.
First blush, the Ruger seems to have a slightly better trigger, is lighter and easier to carry (for me).
Also better balanced.
PPS seems more accurate/robust/refined.
Although it feels top heavy and the extra 4 oz weight is noticeable on the back hip.
Plus the PPS is 6 to the LC9s 7 rounds with flush mags?

The PPS still has 3 extended eight round mags and Mep NS inbound.

I'm thinking LC9s 7+1 sub-compact in the pocket or on the back hip (Primary or BUG).
And PPS 8+1 flat compact cross-draw or shoulder holster (Primary).

Full Disclosure:
I totally love my Sig P229 357 and carry the LC9s with it as a BUG.:D

ripley16

06-19-2016, 12:55 PM

Nice additions. Interesting differences in the grip texture of the PPS models. I've never handled the M2 but it looks more akin to the "batman" texture that Walther and HK put on their other pistols. I like the PPS because it is so slim and shoots pretty well. I think I'll take your grip but with my mag release. :yo:

I shoot the PPS with my various Kahrs usually. I've come to appreciate the PPS. It is just as accurate, with a nice trigger. I can shoot it quicker, better double taps than the Kahrs. It is a nice pistol all around IMHO. It would not replace my HK though. The PPS is good, but not that good. :cool:

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i186/ripley16/Pistols/Walther/BirthdayandWalthers020_zps5b13f43e.jpg (http://s72.photobucket.com/user/ripley16/media/Pistols/Walther/BirthdayandWalthers020_zps5b13f43e.jpg.html)

CPTKILLER

06-19-2016, 01:46 PM

It is a very competitive market now. Kahr needs to up their game totally.

Barth

06-19-2016, 02:37 PM

Congrats on the new pistols! I'm officially jealous of the Walther. I like German guns, and Czech guns, too.

It's all German all the way.
Just oozes quality.
It's like a single stack polymer Hk.:cool:
The only thing I didn't like was the plastic guide rod.
Fortunately BT Guide Rods makes a stainless steel RSA using factory Walther springs.
http://btguiderods.com/category/walther/pps/
http://btguiderods.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/IMG_0436-300x225.jpg
http://i1361.photobucket.com/albums/r678/barthunderwood/20160619_124354_zpsjz2plz2r.jpg

Now I'll add Meprolight Tru-Dot Night Sights the gun will be perfect!:D

gb6491

06-19-2016, 05:17 PM

It is a very competitive market now. Kahr needs to up their game totally.
Yep, because, slow or fast, my CW9 shoots a little left for me at 10yds.
http://i41.tinypic.com/30jnwaw.jpg
http://i51.tinypic.com/k1rhp3.jpg

...but I've other single stack nines I can fall back on:
http://oi41.tinypic.com/neucuf.jpg
http://i60.tinypic.com/35a95sk.jpg
http://i40.tinypic.com/2wdskep.jpg
http://i59.tinypic.com/2n1cj8z.jpg
http://i67.tinypic.com/neyudg.jpg

Seriously, I've tried other small, single stack nines but passed on some because I didn't like the way they felt in hand, others because I didn't like the way they shot. Some others I bought but got rid of for various reasons (Nano-not reliable enough, DB9-trigger snapped off, twice). I traded in my first Shield, because, after putting a lot of rounds through it, I grew to hate the trigger and the guard banged my knuckle too much. I later revisited the Shield with an Apex sear and a Dremel tool; I believe it's a keeper now. Still, I've kept coming back to my CW9. Is it perfect? No, but I prefer it over others that some think are (BTW, that last isn't aimed at any here). Different strokes, for different folks.
Regards,
Greg

nmkahrshooter

06-19-2016, 06:16 PM

Barth

06-19-2016, 07:29 PM

Have been thinking of a LC9S, why I don't know. Really don't need one. Had a Shield and should have kept it. Don't know why I sell guns after a few years, maybe just want an excuse to buy another one.

I've been on a continuous journey searching for ultimate carry guns.
But even when I find something that seems to work perfectly?
I find I just don't want to stop looking - LOL!
Seems like the journey is more important, or fun, than the final destination...:cool:

As for the Ruger LC9s?
IMHO it's a great bargain/value.
Very rounded, flat, light and well balanced with a surprisingly sweet trigger.
It's extremely carriable in the pocket or on the belt.
100% reliable out of the box and reasonably accurate.
I personally recommend this gun to those that are interested in it.:D

JohnR

06-19-2016, 08:13 PM

zaitcev

06-19-2016, 08:37 PM

I call foul!!! The Shield isn't single stack. But it's so small it might as well be!

When I looked at it, Shield absolutely was a single stack pistol. It has a somewhat unusual magazine, where cartridges have a bit of zig-zag stagger at the rim, but are 100% single stack at the mouth. This allows for the follower to travel straight despite 9mm having a little bit of a cone. Cartridges have more stagger in a Glock 43 magazine yet nobody claims that it's a double stack pistol.

P.S. S&W make a double stack pistol that is virtually indistinguishable from Shield when looking from the side. But it's noticeably thicker. This review has a picture of them together:
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/06/ralph/gun-review-smith-wesson-mp9-shield/

gb6491

06-19-2016, 08:39 PM

I call foul!!! The Shield isn't single stack. But it's so small it might as well be!

Because of what S&W accomplished with the Shield, I figure Kahr should be able to whip up a double stack nine with a grip the width of a .45. Imagine a P9 with 9+1 rounds.
True, it's slightly staggered, but it self identifies as a single stack. Shouldn't we support that and all just strive to get along:hippie:

:rolleyes::p;):);),
Greg

yqtszhj

06-19-2016, 09:44 PM

I've been on a continuous journey searching for ultimate carry guns.
But even when I find something that seems to work perfectly?
I find I just don't want to stop looking - LOL!
Seems like the journey is more important, or fun, than the final destination...:cool:

Oh, how I relate to that.

JohnR

06-20-2016, 06:31 AM

Well, ok. I think of staggered as a form of double stack. S&W thinks otherwise. I can't help it if they're wrong ;)

Barth

06-20-2016, 07:17 AM

Well, ok. I think of staggered as a form of double stack. S&W thinks otherwise. I can't help it if they're wrong ;)

LOL, yup my HK45c 8+1 is like that too.
Not a single stack, not a full double stack - but a hybrid slightly staggered configuration.
With a capacity of 8+1, like a P220 or 1911, I still think of it like a single stack though...:p

What I don't get is the smaller LC9s is 7+1 with the two finger flush grip mags.
And the larger heavier PPS is 6+1 in the same configuration?
The Walther is clearly a higher quality weapon.
But I'm really liking the ergonomics and carryability of the simple inexpensive Ruger.

Funny how things work out... :D

Armybrat

06-20-2016, 09:23 AM

I like that stainless LCP. My old 1st gen is the blued one, but retired it in favor of this CT380:

http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/7b815e43d914bf08b9eddd54cbe19ce7597b32b.jpg

Barth

06-20-2016, 09:57 AM

I like that stainless LCP. My old 1st gen is the blued one, but retired it in favor of this CT380:

http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/7b815e43d914bf08b9eddd54cbe19ce7597b32b.jpg

I like the looks of that Kahr too.:D
Never thought I'd carry/own a .380 - LOL!
Things have changed

h2ohhh

06-20-2016, 07:21 PM

My CW45 is my EDC. But I held a Walther PPS M2 the other day....it was like Sophia Vergara saying 'take me home big boy. So I did. Break in starts this week.

Barth

06-20-2016, 07:50 PM

My CW45 is my EDC. But I held a Walther PPS M2 the other day....it was like Sophia Vergara saying 'take me home big boy. So I did. Break in starts this week.

Mine ran like butter right out of the box.:D
Eats Federal HST 147 gr Standard/+P and Speer GDHP 124 gr +P like candy.
(The extensive break in procedure is loading and pulling the trigger - LOL!)

Enjoy

Ops I almost forgot, Buds has the 8 round mags in stock @ $38.97
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/26_27_468/products_id/714016193

hardluk1

06-21-2016, 07:51 AM

Barth

06-21-2016, 10:26 AM

I have a new single stack 9mm for my carry rotation . Been wanting a smaller size 9mm for carry and I ordered a Kimber stainless ultra carry II in 9mm . It only comes with one mag !! so I'm waiting on a few more 8 round and 10 round mags . 10 rounds for back up but fired 200 rounds thru it reliably . Nice 4.7 lb trigger makes it easy to shoot well and soft shooting thanks to its 25oz weight , sort hits all my needs for a small thin soft shooting single stack .

Looks like a sweet carry gun!:D

I've read one guy measured the Ruger LC9s trigger at 4.11 lb and yes it makes it easy to shoot well.
Admittedly the 17.2 oz gun is not so much fun to shoot with +P ammo.
But soft shooting with standard pressure (I'm running standard pressure Federal HST 147 gr).
And the light weights makes it fine for pocket carry in a DeSantis Nemesis.:cool:

Where as the Walther PPS M2 at 21.1 oz is more of a belt gun and better suited for hotter ammo.
It's trigger isn't bad at either at a crisp 6.1 lb.

berettabone

06-21-2016, 10:44 AM

Lots of talk about triggers..........................if you ever use it for what it's intended for, you won't remember if it's 3 lbs. or 9 lbs..............they're not target guns:p

Barth

06-21-2016, 12:01 PM

Lots of talk about triggers..........................if you ever use it for what it's intended for, you won't remember if it's 3 lbs. or 9 lbs..............they're not target guns:p

Granted, with an adrenalin dump we not likely to remember much.
I sincerely hope none of us ever have to fine out...

hardluk1

06-21-2016, 12:31 PM

barth I hope it will be . First 1911 I have had I think I'll keep and carry !

berrettabone Trigger pull does matter with a defensive handgun as much as a target gun . Now you say theres lots of talk about triggers ?? Then get out there and spend some time with a NY trigger like a 11lb glock trigger then compared to a 5lb glock trigger and see how your groups on target look under controlled conditions. Do you think you won't shoot at least as badly under high stress when you need your carry pistol . Better yet take two handgun just alike but with very different trigger pulls to a defensive handgun match and I bet you will be thinking about that trigger pull difference . Don't know if you'll talk about it but you sure will see it in your score .

I always felt I could shoot any trigger well if only smooth with a mag full fired down range but there is a difference in accuracy between a heavy and lite trigger . I could also tell the difference hunting when I shoot a hog using the SA 2lb pull on a hog and when double action 9lb pull is need do to the close range and cocking a revolver could spook the game and a bullet is not placed as well . I know the difference . f

After hand surgery last year I no longer have as good a control over my trigger finger or the strength I had in my middle finger for solid grip control as I once did so a heavier pistol with a nice short SA pull with a crisp 4lb 7oz break trigger is a good compromise for me .

IF you can't tell the difference in group size between a 9lb and a 3lb trigger pull you might make a good trainer for NYCP and teach them folks a thang or two about hitting the target with heavy triggers .

JohnR

06-21-2016, 01:05 PM

Less than about 5 yards, the trigger isn't so important. Farther out, you can't afford to jerk the shot off target with a heavy trigger, hastily placed trigger finger, and/or inadequate grip.

berettabone

06-21-2016, 03:58 PM

Anyone who's using a pocket handgun to shoot at yardages beyond 10 yds. is a bit goofy to begin with IMHO. Why would/do you need to fool with a trigger on a pocket gun for 10 yds. and under, unless you have a disability. Common sense. Unless of course your independently wealthy, and you like to spend money. Then, by all means, try to make the trigger lighter/better. I still think your wasting your time. Especially on a firearm you won't remember shooting. The courts sometimes have a field day with triggers that are not stock. You always should keep that it mind. Would I do work on a trigger for a pocket firearm, no. For a target firearm/full size, yes. It's one reason why I carry firearms that ALL have nice triggers. Like my MK9. What on earth would I do to possibly make the trigger any better? I did do work on my wife's revolver, but that was because of wrist issues. If she wouild have not had an issue pulling the stock trigger, I wouldn't have wasted my time/money. JMHO, don't beat me up.:p

JohnR

06-21-2016, 05:41 PM

Because you can't predict when and where the need will arise. If we could we'd always carry a rifle.

hardluk1

06-21-2016, 06:48 PM

So a pocket guns should not shoot beyond 10 yards or your goofy ?? Guess you don't know even a bug match can have targets at 12 yards and real life even longer . So your going to do what if a bad guy shooting at you at 12 yards. Ask him to please come closer !! Then take a left turn about not doing trigger jobs and something about being independently wealthy but a trigger job on target gun is OK !!?? .Then you do a trigger job on your wife revolver that could end up one day with a visit to the court and there field day with her followed by if it was not for her issues you would not have "wasted" your time and money . Then type - don't beat me up. If anything over 10 yards is goofy for a 3" barreled pocket gun like your mk9 whats to far for a 4" barrel pistol ? 15 yards maybe . To bad you never remember pulling the trigger your handguns . You might want to check your bold sugar levels .

Barth

06-21-2016, 08:17 PM

Folks that pretend they know exactly when and how a self defense scenario will unfold always make me laugh.:p

berettabone

06-21-2016, 08:25 PM

Pocket guns are for 10 yds. and under. I don't shoot bug matches, so I don't care. If a bad guy is shooting at me from a distance, I am going to try and get the hell out of there. Yes, a trigger job on a range gun is good. A trigger job on a pocket rocket is useless. Yes, my wife could be taking a chance. There are always cowboys like you who would rather take a knife to a gun fight rather than take off. If I ever have to use my firearm, odds are I won't remember pulling the trigger. I'm sorry I didn't realize that you were a close encounter expert, who would remember every shot, even under duress. I bow to your superiority, and please, by all means, get all of your triggers down to around a pound and a half. Then you can walk around, a safety hazard for everyone else. I would use any pocket guns that you have, and practice with your redone triggers at 50 yds. I mean, after all, you seem to think that your accurate with a trigger job out to just about any distance with a pocket handgun. I am being nice...............................this time. My sugar levels are up a bit, thanks for your concern. Maybe I'll go do some trigger jobs on a couple of my firearms, I heard that it not only makes you more accurate, but it does seem to lower blood sugar levels.

berettabone

06-21-2016, 08:27 PM

Folks that pretend they know exactly when and how a self defense scenario will unfold always make me laugh.:p
Personally, you have so many firearms, and seem to switch them more than your underwear, I can't see how you could get used to ANY trigger. In fact, your so busy posting pictures of your everyday purchases that I don't know how you get anything done, because this isn't the only site you brag on............................................

gb6491

06-21-2016, 09:04 PM

Darn, I'd like to visit here. It seems so peaceful in the photo. What do you think folks.... a good place to chill?
http://i64.tinypic.com/23p4wi.jpg

Barth

06-21-2016, 09:17 PM

Darn, I'd like to visit here. It seems so peaceful in the photo. What do you think folks.... a good place to chill?

Chill? LOL
We have been having record heat :p
I've been running out near Four Peaks before daybreak to get some trigger time before the furnace gets lit!
Thank Goodness I'm heading to Portland OR tomorrow to attend my daughters wedding.:D
http://blog.pacificnorthwestphotography.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Forest-Park.jpg

Barth

06-21-2016, 09:21 PM

Personally, you have so many firearms, and seem to switch them more than your underwear, I can't see how you could get used to ANY trigger. In fact, your so busy posting pictures of your everyday purchases that I don't know how you get anything done, because this isn't the only site you brag on............................................

I get used to the trigger by actually firing the gun.
Usually at least 1,000 to 1,500 rounds initially just to get proficient.
The rest of your post just sounds like sour grapes - LOL!:p

hardluk1

06-22-2016, 07:14 AM

Couple of beautiful photos guys !!

JohnR

06-22-2016, 07:29 AM

Not everyone can wear a full size pistol all day long. For us, there are subcompacts and mouseguns. I can easily hit COM with my Shield at 25 yards. I can even do fairly well at that distance with my CM9. Self defense isn't about precision bullseye shooting, it's about combat accuracy.

https://blog1.fkimg.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/florida-best-beaches-610x350.jpg

mser

06-22-2016, 09:07 AM

Self defense isn't about precision bullseye shooting, it's about combat accuracy.

Well Said.

Barth

06-22-2016, 09:25 AM

http://www.gunsandammo.com/handguns/compacts/single-stack-9mm-shootout/

berettabone

06-22-2016, 10:30 AM

I get used to the trigger by actually firing the gun.
Usually at least 1,000 to 1,500 rounds initially just to get proficient.
The rest of your post just sounds like sour grapes - LOL!:p
Yeah, could be sour grapes, or maybe with those girly hands of yours, and all of those fat HK grips, you could be FOS.

Barth

06-22-2016, 10:48 AM

Yeah, could be sour grapes, or maybe with those girly hands of yours, and all of those fat HK grips, you could be FOS.

Dream On baby, I'm as real as it gets - LOL!:D

berettabone

06-22-2016, 10:53 AM

Dream On baby, I'm as real as it gets - LOL!:D
That's what I thought...................

JohnR

06-22-2016, 10:56 AM

http://www.gunsandammo.com/handguns/compacts/single-stack-9mm-shootout/
Interesting reviews. I wish they'd included the Bersa BP9cc, one of my favorite single stack 9s.

Dooga

06-22-2016, 11:50 PM

I've been toteing around my CM9 for better part of today :cool:
I love my CM9 a lot!

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160623/e31a608cbb79082cc718ce465ec98965.jpg

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G890A using Tapatalk

jeepster09

06-23-2016, 06:52 PM

Chill? LOL
We have been having record heat :p
I've been running out near Four Peaks before daybreak to get some trigger time before the furnace gets lit!
Thank Goodness I'm heading to Portland OR tomorrow to attend my daughters wedding.:D
http://blog.pacificnorthwestphotography.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Forest-Park.jpg

Well so much for chilling....someone said this was Barth at range around corner down the trail a little ways.....

JohnR

06-24-2016, 08:50 AM

Speaking of single stack 9s, there's been a S&W 3913 Ladysmith in the used case at the LGS for quite a while now, along with a CS45. If they weren't so doggone expensive and if I didn't like my Shield so much I'd put them both on layaway.

Ronni3_J

06-25-2016, 10:35 AM

I go back and forth between the CW9 and CW380 depending on my daily activities. The CW380 is my cycling firearm. I don't even notice it when I'm spinning away the day

kwh

06-25-2016, 02:50 PM

Wish the CW 380 had been available years ago when I was an avid cyclist in the North Carolina foothills and mountains. Pretty difficult to stuff my Walther PP or my S&W Model 19 .357 in my lycra shorts.
I go back and forth between the CW9 and CW380 depending on my daily activities. The CW380 is my cycling firearm. I don't even notice it when I'm spinning away the day

Dooga

07-13-2016, 11:03 PM

Still love my CM9 Kahr single stack 9 so much!http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160714/8545b582be5839870b65482a6750d52d.jpg

Barth

07-22-2016, 06:19 PM

Ruger LC9s Pro continues to be my most carried weapon.
It's just the right size and weight to go pocket carry.
The trigger is nothing short of outstanding.
And it's been 100% reliable with any ammo right out of the box :D
Probably one of the best deals in concealed carry.
7+1 Federal HST 147 gr - 21.1 oz
http://i1361.photobucket.com/albums/r678/barthunderwood/20160608_182341_zps3g6tmcua.jpg

yqtszhj

07-22-2016, 06:36 PM

Barth

07-22-2016, 06:48 PM

Barth, you're a bad influence. I took a day off work and did some early wheeling and dealing today and came home with that exact pistol. Now you have to go buy that Tavor so we're even.

Went to the range and put 100 flawless rounds through it. All I can say is that trigger is CRAZY SMOOTH. There is no wall or stacking before the break. That is the smoothest striker fired trigger I have ever felt. Took the wife with me (she shot her RM380) and I literally looked at her after the first mag and all I could say was wow.

So are you pocket carrying it? If so what holster are you using?

DeSantis Super fly (Without the flap - five days a week LOL).
https://www.amazon.com/Desantis-Super-Holster-3-3-Inch-Black/dp/B006J31OZ2
The trigger is the best striker fired trigger I've ever felt too (it's spooky good).

As for the Tavor?
I just bought this ($2,500) and need to give my wallet/bank account a break!
(My four credit cards continue to have zero balances :D)
http://i1361.photobucket.com/albums/r678/barthunderwood/IMG_20160718_170601_zpspfkvw0i7.jpg

CJB

07-22-2016, 06:49 PM

I've had two or three Smith 39's, and they did me just fine, and foolishly got sold off for one newer project or newer acquisition. You don't see them in nice shape too much anymore.

No problems at all with the PM9's. They shoot great! Always wanted a HK P7 when I was younger, just for their unusual design, but I'd pass today.

Tucked away.... an Astra 600 that technically is a 9mm, although its a 9mm Browning Long. Its simply marked 9mm and.... is mistakenly listed in many places as 9mm Parabellum or 9mm Largo. It is blowback action, and NOT locked breach and while it feeds 9mmP, and 38 Auto, 38 Super... gulp. Just shoot 9mm Browning Longs in it, or your hand loads that replicate the low pressure of the same made from reworked (shortened) 38auto cases. The 38Auto/38Super "sometimes" fits in the chamber. 9mm Longs too.

Barth

07-22-2016, 06:56 PM

I'm a die hard Hk fan.
But rented a P7 and couldn't hit the broadside of a barn.
The squeeze cocker really freaked me out.
Maybe if I bought it and got used to it things would be different.
I've got ~10 Hks.
But a P7 doesn't seem to be in the cards.
(That SP5K is a 9mm BTW. Albeit a double stack 30 round pistol - LOL)

yqtszhj

07-22-2016, 07:11 PM

The trigger is the best striker fired trigger I've ever felt too (it's spooky good).

Spooky good is a very accurate description.

OvalNut

07-23-2016, 12:48 AM

I feel compelled to highlight my common carry, PM9 (PM9193). Single stack 9mm. Perfect for me Cooks IWB holster.

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac323/ovalnut12/PM9/20150612_194809-15.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac323/ovalnut12/PM9/20160311_234303.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac323/ovalnut12/PM9/20160311_234252.jpg

Protect yourself and those you love. Put on your oxygen mask before helping someone else.

Tim

Tim

ripley16

07-23-2016, 08:04 AM

I'm a die hard Hk fan.
But rented a P7 and couldn't hit the broadside of a barn.
The squeeze cocker really freaked me out.

The P7 feels odd at first but after one realizes you don't need to grip it any differently than any other gun, after the initial squeeze, it becomes just another pistol. Takes some getting used to. No "death grip" needed though. The HK P7 is very similar in size and weight to the Kahr T9, except for the trigger, as the P7 has a short, light trigger pull.

P7M8
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i186/ripley16/Pistols/Heckler%20Koch/HKP7M8_zps84c9742e.jpg (http://s72.photobucket.com/user/ripley16/media/Pistols/Heckler%20Koch/HKP7M8_zps84c9742e.jpg.html)

P7PSP with T9
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i186/ripley16/Pistols/P7andKahr004.jpg (http://s72.photobucket.com/user/ripley16/media/Pistols/P7andKahr004.jpg.html)

Barth

08-14-2016, 11:52 AM

The P7 feels odd at first but after one realizes you don't need to grip it any differently than any other gun, after the initial squeeze, it becomes just another pistol. Takes some getting used to. No "death grip" needed though. The HK P7 is very similar in size and weight to the Kahr T9, except for the trigger, as the P7 has a short, light trigger pull.

P7M8
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i186/ripley16/Pistols/Heckler%20Koch/HKP7M8_zps84c9742e.jpg (http://s72.photobucket.com/user/ripley16/media/Pistols/Heckler%20Koch/HKP7M8_zps84c9742e.jpg.html)

P7PSP with T9
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i186/ripley16/Pistols/P7andKahr004.jpg (http://s72.photobucket.com/user/ripley16/media/Pistols/P7andKahr004.jpg.html)

Thanks for that.
Maybe a P7 is in the cards - LOL!

Second Try

08-18-2016, 05:43 PM

With the mag release moved, does the PPS provide more "anger finger" space?

Bawanna

08-18-2016, 05:54 PM

I always wanted a P7, never did own one. Did come close one time.

Amacro

08-20-2016, 06:06 PM

I had the PPS classic and it found a new home, missed it and the PPS M2 found a way into the stable and then I touched the CM 9 and had to have it!
I love it more than the PPS M2 the trigger is better IMHO different yes and as been pointed out by others more revolver like. The PPS M2 is gone and now I'm a little sorry I didn't get the PM 9 I just love the ergo's. Going to the Orlando gun show tomorrow and see if I can get some night sights put on oh and yeah a new holster lol. And may even trade my P938 for - not sure I love the single action but honestly the CM 9 has it beat hands down.
Al

ESAFO

04-03-2017, 09:27 AM

LC9s

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae35/ESAFO/Guns/20170403_091641-1_zps8wiiio9y.jpg (http://s955.photobucket.com/user/ESAFO/media/Guns/20170403_091641-1_zps8wiiio9y.jpg.html)

CM9

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae35/ESAFO/Guns/20151106_093031-1_zpssz8vtp3r.jpg (http://s955.photobucket.com/user/ESAFO/media/Guns/20151106_093031-1_zpssz8vtp3r.jpg.html)

Shield

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae35/ESAFO/Guns/20160514_152351-1_zpsdonrvm3d.jpg (http://s955.photobucket.com/user/ESAFO/media/Guns/20160514_152351-1_zpsdonrvm3d.jpg.html)

XDS

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae35/ESAFO/Guns/20160713_210205-1_zpsuy9huglk.jpg (http://s955.photobucket.com/user/ESAFO/media/Guns/20160713_210205-1_zpsuy9huglk.jpg.html)

jringo8769

04-03-2017, 05:26 PM

Well a excellent single stack 9 mm is the Kahr K9 and the MK9 ...but i love a heavy gun too

Sent from my LGL41C using Tapatalk

Barth

04-03-2017, 06:58 PM

Well a excellent single stack 9 mm is the Kahr K9 and the MK9 ...but i love a heavy gun too

Not 9mm, but my MK40 Elite isn't going anywhere -
http://i1361.photobucket.com/albums/r678/barthunderwood/2016-05-28%2015.01.07_zpse3teklbd.jpg

jringo8769

04-04-2017, 02:32 PM

That is a beauty...i have been considering a mk40 for a while ...how do u like it?
Any problems?

Sent from my LGL41C using Tapatalk

Barth

04-04-2017, 06:54 PM

That is a beauty...i have been considering a mk40 for a while ...how do u like it?
Any problems?

When I got it NIB it was uber tight.
Hard for me to disassemble/reassemble.
Lots of FTFs early on.
Kept it lubricated with Militec-1 and just kept shooting.
Eventually the gun loosened up and broke in :D
Now it's 100% with 135, 155, 165 and 180 gr JHPs.
Federal HST, Winchester Ranger T-Series, Cor-Bon and Speer GDHP Short Barrel.
Accurate, soft shooting with a glassy trigger.
I'll never let it go.
The teething pains sucked.
But in the end - it's worth the trouble.
The gun's a little tank :cool:

I'd kill for one in 45 ACP.
But I'm not asking for a list...
That's an expensive proposition friends :p

jringo8769

04-04-2017, 09:28 PM

Wow that would be amazing on 45 acp
Thank u for the honest evaluation....i truly appreciate it
God Bless,John

Sent from my LGL41C using Tapatalk

ESAFO

08-07-2017, 06:17 PM

Barth

08-07-2017, 07:15 PM

You talked me right into it so now I have a pair of LC9s's :biggrin1:

I hope you like them as much as I like mine.
Still carry it 5 days a week.
It's a keeper :)

ESAFO

08-07-2017, 07:30 PM

I hope you like them as much as I like mine.
Still carry it 5 days a week.
It's a keeper :)

Definitely keepers
Titanium Blue just because it looks sweet & the Pro because you said the sister needed to have a brother.

TheLastDaze

08-21-2017, 09:47 PM

my glock43 and pm9 have to be my favorites and have have a handful single stack 9's

TheLastDaze

08-22-2017, 09:50 AM

Ed M

08-22-2017, 11:24 AM

i think wirh a taron tactical plus one the G43 surpasses all single stacks ive tried, so im saying my quest for the ultimate single stack nine is done.... However I do see a K9 and or MK9 and a 938 in my future for the plain sexiness of an all steel gun....

I hear ya, but I came to a different conclusion.

Was looking for the "perfect" single stack 9 to share CCW duty with my trusty old PM9. Got a G43, and after a few hundred dollars of improvements, I like it a lot. Along the way, I got an MK9. Uber sexy, and it out shoots my other single stack 9s.

In practice, I found myself still reaching for the PM9 the most. I just can't pocket carry the G43 comfortably, and it is just a tad less comfortable to carry IWB than the Kahr. The Glock really doesn't do anything better than the Kahr for me.

My solution was the Kahr CM9. It hits the sweet spot for me. Inexpensive, extremely rugged, and very versatile. Same mags and holsters as the PM9 too. It's now my primary EDC.

Armybrat

08-22-2017, 12:57 PM

I was really considering the LC9s (already have two LCP .380s), but the CW9 won out because I like its looks better (file photo since Photobucket is extorting everyone recently):

http://www.kahr.com/GetDynamicImage.aspx?dir=itemImages&path=SVimg-CW9093.jpg&w=652&h=556

TheLastDaze

08-22-2017, 07:01 PM

Got a G43, and after a few hundred dollars of improvements.

What??? a few hundred?? thats insane, nothing needs improved... I bought a taron tactical +1 and a belt clip and carry it as i do my P32 on the belt with no holster except with the Glock i have an mic trigger holster... New night sites soon but they are only $60...

Ed M

08-22-2017, 07:45 PM

What??? a few hundred?? thats insane, nothing needs improved...

Says YOU, not me. The stock plastic sights are awful. The mag release button actually needed to be depressed BELOW the level of the grip to drop a mag. My G43 had an 8lb trigger pull from the factory. And those Taran extensions aren't free either....

Truglo TFO sights = $100
Taran +1 mag extensions (2) = $70
Vickers extended mag release = $18
Ghost Edge trigger connector = $25

That's over $200 worth of improvements. If I had to pay someone to do the trigger job and install the sights, it would have been more.

TheLastDaze

08-22-2017, 08:30 PM

i dont mind the plastic sights, but i tried something stupid and tried to mimic CAP sights so i blacked out the 'U' site and colored the front with glow paint... the paint sux and lasted about a month... i like the heavy trigger on the 43 my other glocks arent near as heavy but they have 10's of thousands of rounds well at least my 26 does 😁

and you said 300 and i thought that was crazy, and 200 as well imo... but to each their own....

and yes im biased to glock, its what i compete with

im in the camp that dosnt play with the trigger on a carry gun

Ed M

08-29-2017, 05:27 PM

KR - I have to chuckle at this post. We've certainly traveled some similar ground.

Not too late for good deals on a CM9. Here's one for $300, and once you get the free mag from Kahr, includes 3 mags total. Not too shabby, IMO.....

https://www.cdnnsports.com/kahr-cm9-9mm-two-tone-package.html#.WaXoysiGOUk

TheLastDaze

09-12-2017, 12:18 AM

okay.... admittedly i jumped to post and was surprised to see i already posted in this thread.... this time i read it all the way through.... much talk about the lc9s, i also have one we call it the wifes gun 😁 she jad the lc9 and hated it, when the lc9s came out i sold the lc9 for $1 less than i bought the "s" for, course sold the old before the hype hit the streets...
point is i agree the trigger is spooky good, surprised of the break when you first shoot it... takes a few mags to get used to but it is scary light... big improvement ruger made no doubt.....

yqtszhj

09-12-2017, 07:48 AM

I have been shooting the LC9 since the original model with the long trigger pull came out. Hated the trigger, but adapted and became very proficient with the gun. When the LC9S made it's debut I jumped on it.
Since then I have ran thousands of rounds through the gun and can say emphatically they both have been extremely reliable.
The Trigger on my LC9S is light. It has broken in now to under 5lbs. Hickcock45 mentioned on the review of another pistol, how some single stacks have become so lite, and mentioned the LC9S as "almost like a target trigger". That may be good or bad depending on your views of safety. Mine has the safety, which I prefer, as I have trained with safeties all my life. Personally I would not Carry the Pro Model.

I love this gun. Installed a TFO night sights. I love the thin design, fits perfectly in my hand which is size large almost extra large and I have long fingers. I really like the Stipling on the gun. Provides a very firm grip. I have about a dozen mags now as I shoot often and have never encountered any mags to cause a problem. The LC9S is solid, so many rounds and no problems. I am a avid Ruger fan, (except the LCP's) and believe the LC9S to be one of the best designs made. They have been around now for a long time without any major changes other than the new trigger. That say's something about the quality.

I find the gun to be on the mild side for recoil. It does have a Muzzle flip that some have complained about, but I find this to be a moot point. Just do not notice it when shooting. The gun is fast to target, and really shines at point and shoot style shooting at 15 yds. The Pistol carries very well with the Mitch Rosen belt holster. Very tight and close to the Body. I love the sleek contoured design. Has that "cool look".
I have shot this gun so often that I know it well. Became one with the gun as they say. However, I never feel really comfortable with the light trigger for Carry. Hence, have been thinking about another single stack. Right now, I am moving toward the CM9. I like the size, and like the longer but smooth trigger pull.

I am also a pocket gun enthusiast, so after owning the Kahr, 380 found it and the Berettal Pico to be such nice shooters, that Maybe the Kahr is worth looking into. Also since I have had tremendously good luck with the Pico and love the quality, that I hope to get the opportunity to shoot the Nano for comparison.

I have that inner feeling that the next single stack I do purchase with the the Kahr CM9. Should have jumped on one when they had a ridiculous sale going on.
*ps, the LCR beside it, is the LCR9mm. Love that gun as well and nice to just bring one ammo to the ranges.

http://i.imgur.com/G9iggqQ.jpg?2

Ive got a 9mm lcr. Did you change out the front site? Cant tell from the pic. Also I like that boot grip you have. One thing for me is the stock rubber grip rubs a blister and chews the skin off web of my hand between the thumb and index finger after about 50-60 rounds. Fun to shoot though. I do have issue with the bullets jumping the crimp by round 5 with some ammo.

ESAFO

03-20-2019, 06:02 PM

s&w 908

16173

berettabone

03-20-2019, 06:17 PM

I'm not in awe, but jealous at the amount of your "collection", but I am in awe as to the condition that you're finding them in.:p I was trying to work a deal recently on a 97DC, but it didn't work out. I like those older S&W semi's. Reliable. The prices on the 3913's are getting up there. There was one listed on a site in this area. Asking $750. A bit much for me for an older semi.

ESAFO

03-20-2019, 06:36 PM

ESAFO

07-26-2019, 06:32 PM

G43 Gen4 OD

16172

S&W Shield 9

16174

Barth

08-17-2019, 07:33 AM

Single Stack 40 S&W
https://i.imgur.com/iZx6iRy.jpg?1
Single Stack 9mm
https://i.imgur.com/qC1gJa3.jpg

King Rat

09-21-2019, 10:12 AM

Finally put 10,000 rds from my Nano last weekend. Bought two more. Also put on the NEW APX model grip on one of the Nano's.

https://i.imgur.com/sah6OpU.jpg?3 https://i.imgur.com/jyuLrfR.jpg?2

https://i.imgur.com/G9iggqQ.jpg?2

And my LC9S . Love the small 9's. I have been fortunate to try out many new guns through the friends of mine at a club I belong to. We meet to share different guns and compare. Obliviously one shoe does not fit all, but for myself, personally I have found the guns I prefer over the others. Really do not see adding any in the future other than another Kahr. Thinking about the Thin Blue Line.

PS The LCR is a 9mm also.