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CJB
08-21-2016, 09:02 AM
I've had this pistol for a while now, and thought I'd give a bit of an update.

First the good - the American .45 eats ammo like a fat lady downing flapjacks at a Sunday after church buffet. And unlike those silver dollar pancakes, the Ruger seems to run pretty well "almost dry". I'm also able to hit the target - paper - when I try in a deliberate manner. Key words being try and deliberate. The Novak sights are above average.

And now for the not so good. And the "gun press" (read that, all the goodie-goodies who got to sign NDAs and get evaluation pistols to try out, along with a case of ammo) has glossed over the pistol, instead relying on the talking points put out by Ruger. The worst you got was "it hurt my hand", but they always followed up with "it must be me, because the other guy who shot it didn't have an issue" (or vice versa). They have to say that, to save face wtih Ruger.

This pistol is a camel. You give a bunch of corporate stuffed shirts the power to design a horse, and you'll get a camel every time.

The ergos basically suck. Some stuffed shirt someplace said "the bore axis must be lower than brand SW or G or W or S or whatever, so they conspired to do just that. The grip shape stuffs your hand under the back of the "frame" to get your hand up close to the bore axis. If they changed the shape of the grip, just a wee bit lower (and there's room to do just that) then the hand bite will go away. I've actually been shooting mine with the "grip" removed and it shoots better than with the grip on. Maybe I'll just stretch one of those rubber band things around it and call it a day.

And the trigger, while managable with deliberateion, is neither fish nor fowl. Its becoming evident that the pistols Ruger released to the "gun press" were not exactly like the pistols Ruger produced for the buying public. Gun press reports of sub 6lbs (5.5 was reported from one source) measured triggers, are actually about 2lbs heavier at 7.5lbs, and they're mushy. I have gone and tried a few, posing as a buyer, and folks.... they're mushy. The break is about like snapping off a chunk of one of those old fashioned big Tootsie-Rolls. You press, it mushes, you keep pressing, it mushes, and the trigger pull weight goes up as it mushes along until it gets real heavy and you get a bang. Put another way, the trigger on a HighPoint is better. The trigger on Luger (noted for pediculous triggers) is better. There is a full disassembly of the Ruger American fire control - no fewer than four springs, plus the striker spring (and not counting the recoil spring).

And those four springs.... are there because of an overly complex mess of parts. Another corporate deisgn "feature". "Lets make it so that if the pistol is cocked, you don't need to uncock it to disassemble it." It uncocks itself. So, there is a lever to takedown, a lever that uncocks things, a lever that prevents you from taking it down with a magazine in place, etc. Makes for complexity. Whatever happened to the elegance of design that is the Redhawk? Or the .22 Automatic Pistol (now the Mk III)?

So, the talking points:
"It doesn't have a magazine disconnect!" - wow.... news there, a groundbreaking feature
"It has a light trigger" - bald face lie
"It has a great reset" - total fabircation, as the reset is perhaps the worst of any striker fired pistol, even including Kahr on that list, as the trigger has to move all the way forward to reset.
"Its design makes it lighter!" - no, actually, its heavier than your other pistols, and one of the heaviest polymer framed pistols ever devised
"Its compact, for a full size gun!" - WTF that means I don't know, but its a Ruger talking point
"High capacity double column magazine" - which holds 10 rounds. Two more than a single stack. My FN holds FIFTEEN rounds. My PPQ holds 12 rounds. Ruger had to reduce magazine width to get what is effectively two grip - inner and outer, as part of the design.

I think ol' Hickok45 had it right. It goes bang, its accurate, but.... whats to like? It seems like a "do it all" pistol, that does not one thing well - since reliability is an expected item on all pistols. They tried to please everyone, and you know how that goes.... just can't be done.

JohnR
08-21-2016, 10:33 AM
So... It's like a Glock and M&P rolled into one? Bad ergos and bad trigger? Maybe Alphonse can whip up a 3D printed backstrap to fix the thumb-eating tendencies.

JohnR
08-21-2016, 10:34 AM
If they see the light and discontinue this gun, they might become collectors items... :D

Armybrat
08-21-2016, 11:31 AM
Ruger is trying too hard to be like the Blocks, Sigs, and S&W.

The SR series are really good guns with great ergonomics. I'm stickin' with my SR45:

http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/55815941d413b001784dfff7c8c9813ddcb7a00.jpg

CJB
08-21-2016, 11:36 AM
My thought! On a road trip, Shoot Straight had two, and one for rental (not try...)

Gander had three, no range. Guy said lots of lookers, but those are the first three they got, and there they sit.

Never tried and M&P.... Glocks I don't care for.

And there's always the Ruger American racking sound, a sort of "zkveeek". You can hear it on many of the online video reviews (and on my pistol!)

And.... Ruger ain't selling parts. I was able to get a second outer grip from them to whittle on (freebie, ty Ruger!), but nada for sale.

The inner frame is not the serialized part, so I had a mind to build up a proper ergonomic shape (can you say Walther PPQ?) and call it a day, but that trigger.... yech.

Its the kind of pistol you'd buy if you really didn't want to be able to shoot it, that's how the trigger feels. Its like it gives you every last chance to say "no" before going bang. How the online "reviewers" and gun press rejoice in its pull, I have no clue, except they all must be drinking the Ruger coolaid.

Dunno if I oughta just squrl this one away, or cut 'n run (aka dump it). Its not bad, but seriously... its like dating a gal that has here hopes set on becoming a nun.

JohnR
08-21-2016, 11:49 AM
I'll keep my P-series Rugers.

Barth
08-21-2016, 12:03 PM
Sorry to here about that.
Seems like even the better gun manufacturers have models that are lacking.
On a positive note I'm still loving and carrying my two Rugers -
http://i1361.photobucket.com/albums/r678/barthunderwood/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-06/2016-06-08%2018.13.04_zpscxbwugsd.jpg

kwh
08-21-2016, 01:59 PM
CJB,thanks for the field report. Handled one at my LGS, felt nice in hand, didn't try the trigger. After your report ,don't think I will bother to go back for another look.

CJB
08-21-2016, 05:16 PM
For a full size striker fired 9mm, its very hard to beat a P99AS, or PPQ-M2. Sure, more money. But you're getting cream of the crop at that. Same for the PPQ-45.

That PPQ-45, now that I have ... dunno, say 350, 400 rounds in it, and did the little trigger tweak, its actually a nicer trigger than most 1911's come out of the box with. If I could open carry here, it would get carry time.

CJB
08-21-2016, 06:11 PM
The fun starts at 7:10 or so
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wzAe0kw_v4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wzAe0kw_v4

ltxi
08-22-2016, 04:13 PM
Much as I really like Ruger, other than their traditional .22s I've never much cared for their semi-auto handgun offerings

Bawanna
08-22-2016, 04:24 PM
Me neither. I love the single action revolvers and the 22's, never could warm up to any of the auto's.

I always thought it was just me.

jeepster09
08-22-2016, 05:39 PM
I think I want the Ruger 1911 light weight Night Watch Commander. Haven't shot one but it feels good in the hand and gets great reviews.

Bawanna
08-22-2016, 05:48 PM
Well I guess auto's was too broad. I have a Ruger 1911, the full size and it's a great gun. I thought about the commander size too but got it covered. Not sure what the Night Watch Commander is, I'll have to look it up.

yqtszhj
08-22-2016, 08:19 PM
I gotta agree with Barth on the lc9s Pro. The trigger on that gun is crazy good. The GP100 is nice too.

gb6491
08-22-2016, 08:55 PM
P220s have come and gone, but my P90 soldiers on :Amflag2:
http://i42.tinypic.com/20z1eea.jpg
...and I've a P345 for good measure.
Regards,
Greg

Bills1873
08-22-2016, 09:37 PM
Yep, love my P345 and P95. They never fail.

Longitude Zero
08-23-2016, 09:23 AM
Much as I really like Ruger, other than their traditional .22s I've never much cared for their semi-auto handgun offerings

Agreed.

jeepster09
08-23-2016, 04:31 PM
Here is the Night Watch Commander: [comes with Trijicon Night Sights & light weight alloy frame].

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt186/mschexna/7F28940F-F896-4A5E-AB61-31E6C6121A15.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/mschexna/media/7F28940F-F896-4A5E-AB61-31E6C6121A15.jpg.html)

Bawanna
08-23-2016, 04:33 PM
That's nice, I could be seen nicely with one of those.

Wonder what it looks like green?

jeepster09
08-23-2016, 04:37 PM
I think down the road some you will see one in green.....

http://www.ruger.com/products/sr1911/specSheets/6720.html

Bawanna
08-23-2016, 05:34 PM
But, but, but your not buying any more guns jeepster????

I'm sold, I'll take one, don't have to be green. Seems like I held an aluminum frame with stainless slide at our gun show months ago.

The fact that it's not approved for MA or CA makes me want it even more, just has to be good.

Right now my MRI 1911C is riding with me daily for a change of pace.
My son bought the bobtailed lightweight Sig? at the same gunshow we saw the alloy Ruger, he almost bought both.
He don't carry it, he probably should let me carry it, don't cha think? Thing is nice and light and shoots good, I did get to shoot it a few times.

jeepster09
08-23-2016, 08:49 PM
Who said I was going to buy it......there are other ways....my night job!

Bawanna
08-23-2016, 10:12 PM
Who you trying to kid jeepster. You working with a gun what ain't green. Surely (dont call me shirley) you gest.

kenemoore
08-24-2016, 05:07 AM
I think down the road some you will see one in green.....

http://www.ruger.com/products/sr1911/specSheets/6720.html


It's got a right hand twist, wonder if you can tell the difference from a traditional left hand twist?

JohnR
08-24-2016, 07:22 AM
You like green 1911s?

Bawanna
08-24-2016, 09:57 AM
I like most everything about that 1911 except the green. Don't blow my skirt up much.
Guess I'm just too old school. Stainless, blue, and wood. I make an exception to allow Tupperware on my PM45 but that's about it.

CJB
08-24-2016, 11:30 AM
The first individual who shows up at my door with two unopened bottles of good bourbon can expect this pistol and all its goodies in trade for those bottles and their contents. After the trade we will open the bottles

CJB
08-24-2016, 11:31 AM
Or I'll even trade the pistol 3 magazines and the Tactical case that came with it for a case of 44 special or 44 Russian

JohnR
08-24-2016, 12:44 PM
Ya, I don't think so. I just ordered two 26-round Korean magazines to try in my G21, which I like in spite of its ergonomics, so I'm not about to take on another .45.