View Full Version : Bought my new CW9 now another question!
Drew0535
08-11-2010, 01:25 PM
First off I want to thank everyone that replied to my previous question. I went out and bough the CW9. I followed the how to prep instructions last night and I loaded a magazine and just tried to cycle a few rounds to just see. When I put in the fully loaded magazine, pulled the slie back and all of a sudden it was stuck there. I could not press the slide release down, I tried pulling the slide just a hair back farther and pressing and stil nothing, I then tried to relesae the magazine and it would not come out. I ended up pulling the slide back the little extra I could and while doing this hit the mag release. The magazine came out and I could then release the slide. I thought maybe I did something wrong regarding the replacement of the slide release lever so I took it apart and tried again, same result. I did this several more times and same thing. I tried it with a magazine that wasn't fully loaded and I would pull the slide back and the slide release would not catch and it would chamber a round no problem. Any one have any thoughts? Am I just doing something wrong with the Kahr, never had any issues with this with anyother gun or does it sound like somthing is wrong? I took the magazine apart and everythign seemed normal, except for the fact that the spring seemed extra long but I just maybe crazy as well. So I left the magazine fully loaded and was going to see if maybe that might help. Also mine came with the extended magazine, is that standard?
One other random question, when I purchase mine I got a $150 gift card, I think I might be gettign the Crimson Trace for it, the difference between the cost of the laser and the gift card would put my total purcahse at just under $500 for the CW and laser which seems prety good. Any thouht on the Crimson Trace for the CW9?
Tilos
08-11-2010, 01:33 PM
Kahr's website has a video on the slide stop and how it is installed.
Having the spring in the right place is the key.
If you get that straightened out, I would suggest removing the mag and cycling the slide a couple of hundred times wearing work gloves.
This will improve having a trouble free first range trip.
Just sayin'
Tilos
copterdrvr
08-11-2010, 05:27 PM
Did you try locking the slide back, then inserting the mag and then releasing the slide to see if it would function properly? I believe that they mention that the "best" way to load the pistol is from a locked-back slide.
frank_drebin
08-11-2010, 10:17 PM
When I bought my first Kahr I tried a bunch of different ones on for size. Most of them were so tight that they would stick open when I hand cycled them empty. The guy that owned the shop said that if I bought one he'd give me a box of the hottest ammo he had in that caliber and that it would be perfect after 50 rounds. That proved to be true for my PM40 and my brother-in-law's CW9. The first mag in each was difficult to feed. The 3rd was better and by the 5th magazine they were both perfect. A lot of people say to lube it good before the first range trip; I say run it dry for a box or two the lube it.
rickmn50
08-11-2010, 11:42 PM
This is the typical single stack magine issue. I always carry one less than maximum with one in the chamber. Best method to load is with the slide locked...insert loaded mag...rack a round. Great gun...congrats by the way.
ripley16
08-12-2010, 06:11 AM
Also mine came with the extended magazine, is that standard?
Sounds like this was a used gun. The CW line comes with one mag.
...and all of a sudden it was stuck there.
This shouldn't happen, even with the stop pin installed wrong. I wonder if that extra mag was a aftermarket mag that somehow extended up too high and caught the slide.
frank_drebin
08-12-2010, 10:55 AM
This is the typical single stack magine issue. I always carry one less than maximum with one in the chamber. Best method to load is with the slide locked...insert loaded mag...rack a round. Great gun...congrats by the way.
No offense intended Rick but after the mags are broken in properly, this shouldn't be the case. My P225, PF9, PM40, CW40 and P3AT are all very reliable with properly broken-in magazines. They were stiff at first but once exercised out, they were 100% reliable. I would also add that the slide ramp needs to be cleared of any bluing, parkerizing, etc... as well on many guns.
Drew0535
08-12-2010, 11:37 PM
Got home and tried again and now even with the magazine one light I still can not load a round unless I pull the slide back then put the magazine in and then release it. I know this is the way Kahr recommends you do it but the fact that I can't even drop the mag if I put it in first and then pull the slide back disturbs me a bit. This was a new gun, at least it said new at Cabellas and it looked new. I asked about the extended magazine and the guy said that is what that one came with. I also searched for a pic of the extended magazine and it looked just like the one in the pic. I am going to try to get to the range this weekend and might pick up a box of +p and see if that does the trick. Thanks for the tips, i will let you know what happens at the range.
frank_drebin
08-13-2010, 06:59 AM
Got home and tried again and now even with the magazine one light I still can not load a round unless I pull the slide back then put the magazine in and then release it. I know this is the way Kahr recommends you do it but the fact that I can't even drop the mag if I put it in first and then pull the slide back disturbs me a bit. This was a new gun, at least it said new at Cabellas and it looked new. I asked about the extended magazine and the guy said that is what that one came with. I also searched for a pic of the extended magazine and it looked just like the one in the pic. I am going to try to get to the range this weekend and might pick up a box of +p and see if that does the trick. Thanks for the tips, i will let you know what happens at the range.
Yeah, you definitely need to put a few hundred rounds down the pipe to let all of the parts mate up properly before you start worrying about anything. Just shoot the piss out of it.
jocko
08-13-2010, 11:35 AM
ripley is dead right. all cw's come with one flush magazine, not a spare extended magazine. Something smells alittle here...
If u follow kahrs manual and lock the slide back and then isnert a loaded magazine and use the magazine release it will load properly. If you try to hand rack then some have troubles until they and the gun get used to each other. The reason kahr recommends using the slide lock lever is that it releases every time with the same needed velocity to feed properly. Like most said also, give the gun a couple of hundred rounds, for if this is your only issue, it will work itself out and u also will get much more used to shooting the guns.
Not sure about the magazine drop thing, I can tell you my PM9 will not drop my magazines out of the gun and personally I like that, as if I hit the mag rlease button accidently, it will not go flying allover hell. Some insist that they must drop. If you read kahrs manual, they say nothing about the magazine dropping either, actually they say, push the magazine release and pull out the magazine.
One of my two glock magazine will not drop freely.. Just give your cw some more rounds for it is one fine gun . no junk in the cw series...
OldLincoln
08-13-2010, 11:51 AM
Edit: Okay, Jocko chimed in as I was typing. He's the resident expert and so is the primary one to pay close attention to around here.
In your original post you said you pulled the slide back and all locked up. Then you said you pulled it back the little more you could and the mag would release.
The Kahr is a very big gun built into a very small package. The reason they say to chamber the first round from the slide stop position is that it needs the full olength of the action to feed properly. It is very difficult to do this with a new Kahr as the recoil spring isn't broken in yet. 200 rounds later it will be easier.
Your post said slide release didn't catch when you pulled the slide back. The release must be pushed up to latch with a loaded mag inserted. It only locks automatically after the last round is fired. It is a tough bird at first to push up while pulling the slide back but it does get easier.
Your last post states you cannot chamber a round unless you lock the slide back and then insert a mag. If working properly, you can insert a mag with the slide forward, then pull the slide back and lock it, then release the lock and chamber a round. What prevents you from doing that?
When I first got my PM9 I was not expecting such a tight little package and I had some of the same issues. I learned that to chamber a round via slingshot (pull the slide back and release it) I have to (still) pull the slide back hard while shoving the gun forward with the strong hand ripping my hand off the slide. It is very difficult to pull the slide all the way back and release it in that all the way back position. There is no margin for not being all the way back. The slide release makes it easier to get used to but after a few hundred rounds it will be natural.
So just go shoot it already. Then tell us how it's coming along.
jreXD9
08-13-2010, 05:07 PM
I pack my CW9, PM9 and CW45 to the gills and have had ZERO issues.
jocko
08-13-2010, 05:22 PM
BOTTOM LINE FOR ME ANYHOW. Kahrs are tight, they seem to remain tight even after thousands of rounds, They have stout recoil springs, I at first could not hand rack my PM9 with the reliability that I was confortable with. If one cannot hand rack perfectly all the time, then one cannot say he can hand rack. My P380 was even worse, I just couldnot hand rack that little gun, nothing to hold on to in grip area nor slide to get ahold of. Today thouugh with 1500+ rounds through it, I can do it every time. I think me and the gun mated up also. The gun is smoother no doubt but I learned the quirks of the PM9 and P380 and now have no issues.
Why some guns rack easier than others, I cannot explain, but I know my G19 is so easy to rack it is kinda ridicoulas even.
Old lincoln is right agbout one thing for sure and that is THERE IS NO MARGIN FOR NO BEING ALLTHE WAY BACK.
I think sometimes we all rush into things with a new gun or what ever and we expect instant success and oh yes many of us never even read the owners manuals, for after all, we do know it all--right???
jfrey
08-13-2010, 09:19 PM
Talk about hitting the nail on the head - Jocko did it again. If I try to hand rack my CW9 it will do it sometimes but not always. If that first round is tilted down just a little it won't work so I lock it back and follow the manual with 100% success. That's even after 1000 to 1500 rounds so far.
Drew0535
08-15-2010, 02:10 PM
So i got out and put about 150 rounds through the CW9 and not one single problem. I got home and thought I would try out my issue with racking the slide with a full magazine. I tried it and I am having the same problem so I took a closer look. When I put the full magazine in and then rack the slide and just realease the slide the slide stops. I had just assumed it was the slide lock however after looking at it closer I realize the breech face is actually getting hung up on the base of the round. Also I noticed that when I do pull the slide back is it acutally scrapping the round and leaving a little mark where it is rubbing against the jacket of the round. So i think this might be a magazine issue but I currently only have one magazine and I am having problems finding a place that carries them locally. Any recommendation on the best place to get a spare magazine online? Any thoughts on what might be the cause of this?
Tilos
08-15-2010, 03:34 PM
Drew:
best price and reasonable shipping for mags online, Buds:
Kahr Magazines (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/index.php/cPath/26_27_707)
just sayin'
Tilos
ripley16
08-15-2010, 04:16 PM
I duplicated the problem of getting hung up, but only by retracting the slide and gently easing it forward until it caught the case rim. The slide would hang up because the round noses down and jams into the feed ramp. A smack on the rear of the slide drove the round into the chamber. Use of the usual slingshot method other times worked every time. Only when eased forward did the slide hang up.
When you sligshot the slide, it must be done as one single motion, with enthusiasm and you must let go at the point the slide is to it's most rearward position. "Let go" is the key if you insist on not using the slide stop method.
My guess is there's nothing wrong with the gun or the magazines.
wyntrout
08-15-2010, 05:08 PM
I've bought a lot of Kahr magazines from Cheaper Than Dirt. The prices are decent and you can choose your shipping. Some places have nice prices, but charge you $10 or more for a magazine to ship it. It could be sent by Priority mail for about $4 or so... the minimum.
I like to look for the best deal, but often the shipping was a deal breaker for me.
Wynn:D
Tilos
08-15-2010, 10:37 PM
Drew:
The slide rack issue.
Try racking the slide with arms out straight, elbows locked, and using your shoulders to rack the slide.
This has worked for anyone I've seen trying to rack a stiff gun.
Is clearing a jam your reason to slingshot rack?
I've never had a jam but it can happen.
I have shot my CW9 empty and could not get the slide to release with the lever, after putting in a full mag once.
I just did a slingshot and it did what it is supposed to, and I continued shooting.
That work glove, hand racking I suggested early on will help...even now.
Sorry, I meant to post this earlier today, and did, in the wrong thread:o
Just sayin'
Tilos
jocko
08-16-2010, 09:16 AM
I duplicated the problem of getting hung up, but only by retracting the slide and gently easing it forward until it caught the case rim. The slide would hang up because the round noses down and jams into the feed ramp. A smack on the rear of the slide drove the round into the chamber. Use of the usual slingshot method other times worked every time. Only when eased forward did the slide hang up.
When you sligshot the slide, it must be done as one single motion, with enthusiasm and you must let go at the point the slide is to it's most rearward position. "Let go" is the key if you insist on not using the slide stop method.
My guess is there's nothing wrong with the gun or the magazines.
sentence, I am in total agreeance with.
mr surveyor
08-16-2010, 09:52 AM
a simple rule for charging any semi-auto weapon:
DON'T RIDE THE SLIDE!
surv:)
jocko
08-16-2010, 11:59 AM
a simple rule for charging any semi-auto weapon:
DON'T RIDE THE SLIDE!
surv:)
big AMEN to that statement..:israel:
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