It isn't always being fast or even accurate that counts. It's being willing.

[gb6491]

That line is from "The Shootist". This woman was more than willing...
http://nbc4i.com/2016/09/23/woman-kills-one-suspect-after-unloading-her-gun-during-home-invasion/
Some woman right there.
Regards,
Greg

[Barth]

I was taught from the beginning,
that the the very first thing you have to do to prepare for life or death self defense?
Decide you are willing to take a life.
It's cold but true...

[AIRret]

We must not become complacent. Here's a quote by Tom Givens;
Tom Givens made a profound impression on me when he said every morning when you get dressed and put on your gun and holster, you should say to yourself, “I may have to shoot someone with this today,” to remain serious about why we carry guns.
I'll find the complete article and post a link.

[AIRret]

The article that includes the Tom Givens quote is actually about John and Vicky Farnum
http://armedcitizensnetwork.org/farnam-interview-guns-gear

[SlowBurn]

Some woman right there.
Regards,
Greg[/QUOTE]

I'll say. 3 on one, shooting at her. Pistola in one hand, cell phone in the other she charges, kills one and runs the others off. Yikes.

[wyntrout]

I've always said that too many people haven't considered what having a firearm, or any weapon for defense, haven't considered what using deadly force requires of you and haven't made those choices or decisions, yet... and hesitation at the last second could be fatal.

Just buying a firearm, loading it, and maybe punching some paper at a range sure don't get you ready.

Movies can be instructional... but my wife gets tired of me yelling instructions at the idiots not taking care of threats or showing any situational awareness. I try to tell her what the person should be doing as some kind of armchair training for her. She really appreciates my inputs... NOT! :D

[CJB]

In my way of thinking, the things that occur in childhood prepare a person mentally and emotionally for those things that occur in adulthood.

That is to say - caring for a pet, teaches responsibility, prepares the child at a root level for parenthood.
Losing that pet, prepares the child for the loss of loved ones in adulthood.
I could go on, but I think you see that the little things in life are there to prepare for the big things later. Or at least that's my own take on it.
And I believe that hunting teaches deep lessons of life and death for the slightly more mature youths. There is the moment of pulling the trigger, but also the moment of having to deal with what you killed by dressing and dismembering what was only moments ago, a living, breathing and thriving animal.

I think this is still an important thing for the youth to experience. Days ago, when people had their own chickens and livestock, the immediate struggle of life, and death, was more visible. Children learned the same lessons in a different way. If you take a TV and internet raised kid and put them into real world situations, they are woefully ill prepared. If you take a child that has been shown the roots of life, they are more reliant on themselves, and make better adults.

But that's just me and my thinking.

[AIRret]

CJB, I agree. Interestingly enough when I took MAG40 with Massad Ayoob he suggested that hunting, which involved taking a life, would be an important step for anyone who decides to carry a gun for protection.
I've hunted pheasants with a shot gun, and deer with a bow (didn't get one, but I did come across a pile of steaming poop) and hope to hunt hogs and deer with my 308 Lady Savage.
A lot of my "mindset" on self defense has come from growing up in inner city Detroit! We had bars on our windows, the 67 riots came within a block and a half of our house, and I was shot at. Those things make an impression, but it has really conditioned me to pay attention to what is happening around me (condition yellow).

[CJB]

Yah, I got an old lady friend in Flint. Was chatting w/her online one night and she took a break to shoot at some splibs raiding her garage!

Bad area.

[AIRret]

CJB…..are you calling me an old Lady??????? Just kidding. I'm 62, so maybe I am, but I'm definitely not a victim, I've never gone down to any challenge easily.

[Bawanna]

CJB…..are you calling me an old Lady??????? Just kidding. I'm 62, so maybe I am, but I'm definitely not a victim, I've never gone down to any challenge easily.

Cradle robber! I won't be 62 till next month.

[AIRret]

Cradle robber! I won't be 62 till next month.

Bawanna, are you calling me a cougar? You KNOW your my one and only cyber Hubby!

[wyntrout]

That's still pretty young. My wife is 60 1/2+... a few months under 10 years my junior. I'm a young 70 now... just don't feel THAT old! She retired 20 years ago the end of this month... next week.

I've never had to shoot anyone, or at one, but I know that I could. There was that one time... in college... where I was much impressed by Clint Eastwood... in a movie Fist Full of Dollars. When I got back from Okinawa and S.E.A. I had to buy a western-style six-shooter. i bought a cheap Hawes (West German) single-action .22LR pistol and started practicing fast drawing and fanning. I loaded it with rat shot and I would draw and shoot sparrows or whatever while walking in the woods.

One time I got a buddy and we bought two six packs of beer... tall ones... and filled a small trash can with ice to cool it down. We went to a gravel pit and popped a couple of brews. Before even taking a sip I told my buddy to watch this... kind of like here, hold my beer and watch this. I went to draw and seemed to fire a bit early. I looked down to see if I had hit my foot... no... started looking back up to my holster... saw some ticking sticking out from my shorts... getting damp with red! Dropped my shorts... had a clean through and through my thigh... just a little blood... and no pain!.

I got a little excited as my buddy did, while I was yelling and directing him back to the campus (USM) and the clinic. By the time we got there there was a little stinging but not much blood. The campus cops got a kick out of the story, as did the Hattiesburg City cops.

I was pretty lucky that I didn't hit anything important and the hollow point .22 LR didn't seem to have expanded. After patching me up they clinic gave me a pair of crutches to use. I didn't get 20 feet from the door before I turned around and returned the crutches. I could hobble fine without them.

So, I have shot someone... and I know that it doesn't necessarily hurt. I did give up on the fast draw practice.

The newspaper article (1969) says something about the hospital but I don't remember going there, just the campus clinic.

This was after 4 years in the USAF. I'm just glad that I was not using my Browning High Power then. I had practiced drawing with it but not loaded and at the range! I HAVE really good trigger discipline now. :)

[AIRret]

What a way to learn trigger discipline!!
I certainly don't act like 62……when I think about it I wonder how the he$$ I got this old. Age certainly hasn't changed my mindset with respect to self defense and training.

[Bawanna]

My dad had one of them Hawes 22's. I shot it a lot. Never did shoot myself with it.

AIRret, cougar ain't a bad title I don't reckon. Certainly don't think one bit less of you for it.

[CJB]

CJB…..are you calling me an old Lady??????? Just kidding. I'm 62, so maybe I am, but I'm definitely not a victim, I've never gone down to any challenge easily.

"OLD" exists between the ears.

The gal I knew for a time was a young thing, only in her mid 20's - mid 30's now.

But, now that you mention it, I do see the resemblance.

[AIRret]

My dad had one of them Hawes 22's. I shot it a lot. Never did shoot myself with it.

AIRret, cougar ain't a bad title I don't reckon. Certainly don't think one bit less of you for it.

When a woman is called a "cougar" that means she goes after younger men. I first heard the term a couple of years ago when a neighbor lady went on a cruise after her divorce.

In all truth my live in hubby and I are blessed to be very happy. He actually gets a kick out of me having a Cyber husband.

[340pd]

Maybe I better buy back that Glock I sold.

[CPTKILLER]

Only hits count.

[CPTKILLER]

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/video-shows-armed-suspects-surprised-by-gun-shooting-home-owner-772057155783

She did what was needed. Come out shooting immediately!

[getsome]

First and only deer I ever shot and killed changed me to the core....It was 1978 and on my Father in laws farm I was hunting with my best friend and this little sprig horned buck popped up and started running towards the tree line and I pulled up that old Marlin 30-30 and shot that blur of an animal and made an impossible shot dead center through his heart not because I'm a great shot but because God had to teach me a little bit about life and death....We had to bring him back to the deer camp and I will never forget looking into those dead black eyes and feeling nothing but shame because I had taken a living beautiful animal away from this earth forever for no good reason but to be showing off........ killing changes you, that's a fact and to this day I regret pulling the trigger on that animal because I wasn't hungry nor was my family BUT if times were different then I would have no problem taking an animal for food for my family.... Now as far as life on the streets goes, I have no problem taking a persons life that intends harm to myself or my family....I will only look at their cold dark dead eyes and say better they than I....

[wyntrout]

That was a good video... seen it half a dozen times already. If that lady had put the cell phone down and used both hands, she could have gotten all three of them. She could have waited and called for body pickups. :D

[AIRret]

The few animal lives I've taken have always brought mixed feelings. Even fish bait! I enjoy fishing, but when I'm done if I have any worms left I release them.

My logic is that I eat meat so harvesting it is part of the bargain. My biggest concern is making a clean kill and causing the least distress for the bird/fish or whatever.

[berettabone]

Yeah, you old farts are just softies at heart...............did my share of animal killing when young. It does change you. When it did, and it happened fast, I quit hunting and started enjoying just observing them instead. I turned 61 last month............................................. .................................................. ......

[skiflydive]

Yeah, you old farts are just softies at heart...............did my share of animal killing when young. It does change you. When it did, and it happened fast, I quit hunting and started enjoying just observing them instead. I turned 61 last month............................................. .................................................. ......

One of the coolest things I ever did see was a really nice SLR camera with a long lens all mounted on a rifle stock. The trigger tripped the shutter. That guy said it was the only kind of animal shooting he did anymore.

AIRret. The idea of cougars enthralls me...but all of mine are in their 70's and 80's. Hot babes though!

[CJB]

When a woman is called a "cougar" that means she goes after younger men. Crap, I though it was a better lookin' older female that was hornier than hell. I stand corrected.

[CJB]

First and only deer I ever shot and killed changed me to the core.... Now as far as life on the streets goes, I have no problem taking a persons life that intends harm to myself or my family....I will only look at their cold dark dead eyes and say better they than I....

And that, dear Getsome, is EXACTLY the point I was trying to make, and the circumstance that is sorely lacking in today's youth, who need safe zones and therapy because they've been "triggered" into some faux feeling of personal emotional hurt.