"...the 1911 an old design that is more trouble than it is worth...."

[gb6491]

That title is a quote from an old article/rant on Yankee Gun Nuts. The feller that wrote that would later say "It was the best military sidearm of its day, and for a long time afterward. I do not dispute that. But its time has long passed."
Oh well....
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Regards,
Greg

[CPTKILLER]

There are better weapons that used the Browning designed as a basis. A first good evolutionary step was the Browning HiPower. There are others that are now even better.

[Bawanna]

I watched that video a dozen times. Made my britches stick out in front. Awesome.

As for the venerable 1911, it's plenty good enough for me and I'm sticking with it for another 100 years. Then maybe, just maybe I'll see if there's anything better. I doubt there will be.

Funny yesterday the SWAT snipers went through their rifles, thoroughly cleaned, checked torques on mounts, etc. One needed a tool at my desk and then some help with a Harris Bipod mount. While helping he asked the significance of the framed photos all of 1911's hanging around my desk. I told him other than the fact that they are the finest handgun ever built they probably are wearing grips that I made.
He looked somewhat perplexed after the finest handgun ever built comment. I asked him if he was a communist......finished my help and returned to my cubicle 1911 oasis.

[Bobshouse]

That robber probably still doesn't know he's dead. He was gone before he hit the floor.

[jg rider]

Damn ! To bad he had to shoot through the display case. It could have deflected the bullet.....not!

[desmobob]

Great video. it made me get out my Combat Commander and Combat Elite and fondle them for a while. In a world full of striker-fired pistols, a nice 1911 trigger sure feels nice! I just picked up an Advantage Arms "Target" version .22LR conversion for the 1911s. I'll be trying it out tomorrow for the first time. The AA conversion I bought for my Glock 22 works wonderfully and I hope their 1911 kit is just as good.

Tight groups,
Bob

[Barth]

WOW what timing on this - LOL!
Figured out how to field strip the V-Bob (with some trouble).
Sadly the Tripp mags will not seat?
So I ordered six low profile Wilson D47s (three 7 and three 8 round).
Still waiting on the custom grips?
EMailed for status with no response?
Maybe I should of went with our resident grip guy Bawanna?

Anyway the fit and finish on the V-Bob is outstanding.
Trigger amazing.
Feel, balance and natural pointing - it looks like a winner.
Can't wait to get it out and shoot.

BTW the unbranded night sights (Appear to be Heinie Straight Eights) have a larger front sight than my other Heinie sights?
Also the front sight is green, the rear is like a burnt orange.
It's a sweet sight picture :biggrin1:

Also glad I went with an all stainless steel commander.
Was worried it would be too heavy - it's not.

Can see why DW has a following.
The quality is undeniable :cool:

Really wanted a Kahr K45 Stainless Elite.
But as I wait for Kahr? I'll take the V-Bob.

Barth

[Bawanna]

It's never too late for Bawanna grips. The ones you ordered kind of humbled me. They look super nice.

I got a few things to wrap up and was gonna whittle out a few. We can see where your at when I get there.

Never hurts to have several sets so you can dress appropriately.

[finpro]

I have 4 1911 pattern pistols: a custom Government model and a Commander made on Caspian frames to my design, a Dan Wesson Classic Commander Bobtail and a Dan Wesson ECO, an aluminum frame Officer size. All are .45s, except the ECO, which is a 9mm. All except the ECO needed gunsmithing to make them reliable. When new, the ECO needed a new front sight because the original sight was too tall for such a short barrel and shot way low. Once I explained the problem, Dan Wesson sent me a shorter front sight which worked well and I recommend their customer service. The first three are very accurate, but too heavy to carry in my opinion and I have rarely done so. The ECO is fine to carry and very accurate. For shooting, they are better than the other pistols I own.

For prospective defensive use, however, I prefer higher cap, 9mm striker-fired pistols with lighter-than-steel frames and adjustable grips. I feel very secure with a Glock 19 in 9mm or some other pistols with 15 or more rounds. For carry, my Kahrs do nicely, and fit my hand well, though I wish they had a faster shooting more precise trigger. (Yes. I have too many guns. My biggest fear is winning an NRA sweepstakes and suddenly having another three dozen guns.) While I do not think a defensive situation is likely for me, I believe more firepower and the ability to deliver it quickly and accurately may someday be decisive. The high cap, lightness and adjustable grip criteria speak for themselves as positive attributes. I like striker-fired pistols because it allows them to be considerably more compact and have lower bore axes, hence, easier to carry and fire additional rounds quickly. My Glock 19 is smaller than my ECO, even though the G19 has a barrel about 0.5" longer, and is lighter with each holding 9 rounds, though the G19 can carry 7 more rounds and weigh only slightly more. For that matter, a G19 is not that much bigger than a P9, though it feels much heavier. While I cannot quantify it, I would bet my G19, S&W M&P, HK VP9, or CZ P-01 would be less likely to fail than a 1911.

Like the realization that an automatic transmission can do virtually anything better than the manual transmissions that car afficionados required 40 years ago, there is a time to move on. This is CarTalk, isn't it?

[Barth]

I have 4 1911 pattern pistols: a custom Government model and a Commander made on Caspian frames to my design, a Dan Wesson Classic Commander Bobtail and a Dan Wesson ECO, an aluminum frame Officer size. All are .45s, except the ECO, which is a 9mm. All except the ECO needed gunsmithing to make them reliable. When new, the ECO needed a new front sight because the original sight was too tall for such a short barrel and shot way low. Once I explained the problem, Dan Wesson sent me a shorter front sight which worked well and I recommend their customer service. The first three are very accurate, but too heavy to carry in my opinion and I have rarely done so. The ECO is fine to carry and very accurate. For shooting, they are better than the other pistols I own.

For prospective defensive use, however, I prefer higher cap, 9mm striker-fired pistols with lighter-than-steel frames and adjustable grips. I feel very secure with a Glock 19 in 9mm or some other pistols with 15 or more rounds. For carry, my Kahrs do nicely, and fit my hand well, though I wish they had a faster shooting more precise trigger. (Yes. I have too many guns. My biggest fear is winning an NRA sweepstakes and suddenly having another three dozen guns.) While I do not think a defensive situation is likely for me, I believe more firepower and the ability to deliver it quickly and accurately may someday be decisive. The high cap, lightness and adjustable grip criteria speak for themselves as positive attributes. I like striker-fired pistols because it allows them to be considerably more compact and have lower bore axes, hence, easier to carry and fire additional rounds quickly. My Glock 19 is smaller than my ECO, even though the G19 has a barrel about 0.5" longer, and is lighter with each holding 9 rounds, though the G19 can carry 7 more rounds and weigh only slightly more. For that matter, a G19 is not that much bigger than a P9, though it feels much heavier. While I cannot quantify it, I would bet my G19, S&W M&P, HK VP9, or CZ P-01 would be less likely to fail than a 1911.

Like the realization that an automatic transmission can do virtually anything better than the manual transmissions that car afficionados required 40 years ago, there is a time to move on. This is CarTalk, isn't it?

My personal experience is that accuracy is the difference.
I love my Hks, but shoot 1911s better.
If I can get a 1911 to run reliably?
That could be the better choice :D

[jg rider]

My c.c. from 1980 to the late 90's was one of my IPSC competition 1911's. I always felt if I could shoot them hundreds of rounds in a match every month plus practicing, without any failures, it was good enough to carry.

I carried a Colt combat commander and the wife carried a Colt L.W. Officers Model. Then in the late 90's we discovered 9mm Kahrs and Fed. HST & Win RA9T ammo for c.c. She now also keeps a Glock 17 in her night stand draw.

I think we have four 1911 .45's left and even though we prefer the Kahrs for c.c., I wouldn't think twice about strapping a 1911 on

[Bawanna]

My personal experience is that accuracy is the difference.
I love my Hks, but shoot 1911s better.
If I can get a 1911 to run reliably?
That could be the better choice :D

IF? What's with that. I have at least 8 that I can think of right off, maybe another 1 or 2 even. I'd wear any one of them any day of the week. None required much of anything to be reliable.

[finpro]

Quality 1911 pattern pistols are usually better shooters than most other stock centerfire pistols. They can have smooth light, slide triggers and provide wonderful pointing ability. For fast shooting, the longer, narrower grip of a 1911 pattern pistol helps in quickly and accurately indexing unaimed point shooting. The same is true for many single stack pistols, including Kahrs. It is easier to point something narrower, like a single stack, than more rounded, like a double stack. In the 1911s' most common .45 caliber, they are obviously very deadly and their being heavier can be shooting advantage. For most uses, I prefer thin slide single stacks, like 1911s or Kahrs. All other things being equal, they carry better for me.

The exception to my single stack preference is for the most extreme self-defense usage. Statistically, most civilian defensive shootings are at very short distances, very quick, involve few shots, and, happily, are relatively rare. In addition, most possible engagements by armed civilians end without shots fired, with just the presence of a gun. The advantage of higher cap, faster firing, lighter, smaller pistols is most obvious when several assailants are present, as might be the case with a gang or riot or mass shooting situations, as rare as these may be. I shoot in IDPA matches and I am confident in my ability to not miss often, reload quickly and cleanly as long as our cardboard targets are not shooting at me. It helps that most targets are not moving and we have walked through the course of fire and, usually, have seen others shoot it. In the messy, unpredictable, sometimes scary real world, I would rather carry a pistol that can most reliably deliver more ordnance. As wonderful as they are and as much I love mine, in 2017, that is not likely to be a 1911.

[kenemoore]

WOW what timing on this - LOL!
Figured out how to field strip the V-Bob (with some trouble).
Sadly the Tripp mags will not seat?
So I ordered six low profile Wilson D47s (three 7 and three 8 round).
Still waiting on the custom grips?
EMailed for status with no response?
Maybe I should of went with our resident grip guy Bawanna?

Anyway the fit and finish on the V-Bob is outstanding.
Trigger amazing.
Feel, balance and natural pointing - it looks like a winner.
Can't wait to get it out and shoot.

BTW the unbranded night sights (Appear to be Heinie Straight Eights) have a larger front sight than my other Heinie sights?
Also the front sight is green, the rear is like a burnt orange.
It's a sweet sight picture :biggrin1:

Also glad I went with an all stainless steel commander.
Was worried it would be too heavy - it's not.

Can see why DW has a following.
The quality is undeniable :cool:

Really wanted a Kahr K45 Stainless Elite.
But as I wait for Kahr? I'll take the V-Bob.

Barth

I would hang on to the Tripp mags, never heard of them not seating before, sometimes they have to be really pushed into the well. I assume the factory DW mag works fine. Hmmm
If you decide to toss them, toss them my way.

[ripley16]

The 1911 is a fine design. It's four main weak spots, when compared to modern guns, are weight, reliability, simplicity and capacity. None of these speak to quality but rather to the evolution firearms has seen in the last several decades. Polymer has changed small arms. Just as the Walther PP revolutionized the small pistol world, giving us the venerable PPK, the pocket gun class has adopted polymer as the standard. We still like our steel but the ounces saved by polymers is too impressive to ignore. IMHO, our venerable steel icons are still good at what they did, just not as well suited to today's needs. If I knew I was headed for a fight, I would not take my 1911 but rather one of it's modern cousins, (a HK USP for example), and not look back.

[Barth]

I would hang on to the Tripp mags, never heard of them not seating before, sometimes they have to be really pushed into the well. I assume the factory DW mag works fine. Hmmm
If you decide to toss them, toss them my way.


I'm going to break the DW in first.
And then try the Tripp mags again.
Yes, the DW mags lock in and drop perfectly.
They are branded DW, but I'm guessing they might be Checkmate?
The V-Bob is definitely tight and needs 500 rounds down the pipe bad.
I've got 300 FMJ and 200 HST on hand.
When the Wilson mags arrive and the weather clears I'll light up the desert.
Still no word on my custom grips (sent second email requesting status).
Would like to break it in with the new grips on.
But I can't wait much longer to shoot this thing :)

Update:
This new to 1911 thingy is killing me.
My old school Sig P220 came NIB with 7 round mags.
The new P220s are 8 rounders.
I've got lots of the older 7 round mags just to be uber reliable.
The P220 45 has never ever FTF, FTE or return to battery :D
Never tried the 8 round mags in my P220, but understand they should fit and work fine?

Anyway, there's conflicting info on the V-Bob shipping with 7 or 8 round mags?
I thought the 7 and 8 round 1911 mags were the same size? (for Commander)
I've read some conflicting info on whether the V-Bob is shipped with 7 or 8 rounders?
Some not so close comparison of the Tripp 7 round officers to the DW.
The DW mags appear to be 8 rounders and the mag body is definitely longer.
No wonder the mags will not lock in.
They are clearly too short.
I've got a lot to learn here???
Just ordered 3 Wilson 47OXC Compact 7 Round Lo-Profile Steel Base Pad
And 3 Wilson 47DOX Compact 8 Round Lo-Profile OM Steel Base Pad.
Are only the 8 round mags going to fit???
CRAP

OMG Damn I thought Officer and Commander was the same thing? :faint2:
In process of negotiation to return/swap Tripp and Wilson for correct size mags.
What a bone head :blushing:

[Bills1873]

Don't fix it if it ain't broke! That applies well to the 1911 design.

[Barth]

Just ordered:
Wilson Combat 1911 Elite Tactical Heavy Duty +P Government/Commander Full Size 8 Round Magazine .45 ACP Lo-Profile Steel Base Pad Stainless Steel Natural Finish

These should work - LOL! :)

Nice to have an American sidearm.
Looking forward to carrying this bad boy.
1911s are obsolete? I call Bravo Sierra!
:Amflag2:

[Bawanna]

I think the 47OXC is an officers size mag and will be too short for your Vbob. If you can't return those there are a few officers size owners around here. I have one, Greg I'm pretty sure still has one. A few others. Should be able to send them back.
The Wilson 7 and 8 round mags are the same length and both should fit.

I use nothing but 47D 8 round Wilson mags. I don't know that I've ever even shot the DW mags, probably but not regularly.

I've never tried the Tacticals Heavy Duty Wilson mags since what I use works without fail.
PLus I turn away at anything that says Tactical. Like looking at cars that are described as "Rare".

[Barth]

I think the 47OXC is an officers size mag and will be too short for your Vbob. If you can't return those there are a few officers size owners around here. I have one, Greg I'm pretty sure still has one. A few others. Should be able to send them back.
The Wilson 7 and 8 round mags are the same length and both should fit.

I use nothing but 47D 8 round Wilson mags. I don't know that I've ever even shot the DW mags, probably but not regularly.

I've never tried the Tacticals Heavy Duty Wilson mags since what I use works without fail.
PLus I turn away at anything that says Tactical. Like looking at cars that are described as "Rare".

LOL - not a fan of the Tactical crap either.
But Wilson ETM mags seem like a fine choice.
I'll try them out.
Hope I can return the wrong size mags.
If not I'll be contacting my friends at Kahrtalk :)
Good to be here with the Good Boys! :D
Take Care old friend
:Amflag2:

[kenemoore]

If the Tripp mags are shorter than the DW's, I'm guessing you bought officer size by mistake. The 7 round Tripp full size mags are the same size as everybody else's 8 rounders, some folks think putting 8 in a mag originally designed for 7 is asking for trouble, don't have an opinion, own both.

The steel bottomed office mags are model 7R-45-WO. The 7 round steel bottom full size are 7R-45-WG. The only difference is the last letter. Do they have an all metal follower? If so, then they are officer size.

I think the DW mags are made by checkmate, never had any issue with those either, just prefer Tripp. I used to have Wilson's as my goto , but the Tripp's seemed better made. The new ETM mags are very good, and I don't own any but my birthday is coming up if anybody cares.

[finpro]

I did not see the previous several posts, so this may seem like piling on. Here it is for any value it may have.

I own a DW Commander Classic Bobtail, an earlier version of a V-Bob, in terms of size and shape. Mine, which was bought in 2010, came with two 7 round blued welded bottom magazines marked with a DW logo, but no manufacturer name. The mags that came with my newer 9mm DW ECO were of the same type, except stainless, and had the DW logo and also marked "Checkmate". There are two basic 1911 pattern mag sizes, those for the full size government model AND the Commander or roughly similar barrel length models, which usually hold 7 or 8 rounds in .45 and a smaller size for the shorter Officers model grip, with one round less. The shorter Officers mags will not lock into a model with the longer grip.

For any information on DW pistols, email them at info@cz-usa.com or keith@cz-usa.com and mention Dan Wesson in the header. They have always gotten back to me very promptly.

I have read that some people think a 7 round 1911 mag makes for more reliable feeding and function. This was the original configuration of 1911 mags. Someone found that adding about 1/8th inch to the mag's length and some other changes could allow the mag to hold 8 rounds, with only a tiny difference in length when loaded. Some newer mags are even longer and are said to be more reliable, but stick out noticeably more. FWIW, I have never had a problem with the Wilson shorter 8 round mags (47D) and many IDPA shooters use them. I looked up the Wilson mags that you mentioned and they are for smaller grip lengths. You DW uses full sized mags, so they will NOT work for you. You want models 47D (8 round) or 47C (7 round).

Tripp mags are of very high quality and I suspect, if they do not fit, you have the wrong size. This company is run by one of the finest gunsmiths in the US. When my local gunsmith, who built my custom guns, died, I sent a troublesome gun to Virgil Tripp and he fixed it perfectly. He is the "T" in STI guns, though I do not think he is connected to the company any more. Good luck with this.

[Armybrat]

Makes me kinda sad though - gave away all three of my 1911s over the past three years. Sent my Remington R1 some time ago to my landman in North Dakota in appreciation for all the good work he's done over the past 7 years. When the DIL saw my Colt Series 70 Stainless Government early in 2015, she had to have it, so there it went. Then in 2015 gifted my last one (and oldest), a Springer GI Stainless, for Christmas to my middle son who didn't have any semiauto pistols.

BTW - My landman was carrying the Remington when he visited the North Dakota pipeline protesters' camp a couple of months ago when all their hubbub was going on to impress the media. No problems were encountered, thankfully.

Anyhoo, I did pass up a great deal at GrabAgun recently when they ran a special on the Colt 1991 A1 Stainless for $650. Shoulda grabbed one, but Christmas expenses & all.

I did gift my new Ruger Super Blackhawk .44 Magnum to one son and my Model 29 S&W to another for this last Christmas. Told the wife today that there seems to be some extra room in the safe. :)

[Bawanna]

Sounds like there's lots of room in your safe to me.

I'm wide open to adoption and don't bother me none for folks to tell me I was adopted. Dad.

[berettabone]

The 1911 is a fine design. It's four main weak spots, when compared to modern guns, are weight, reliability, simplicity and capacity. None of these speak to quality but rather to the evolution firearms has seen in the last several decades. Polymer has changed small arms. Just as the Walther PP revolutionized the small pistol world, giving us the venerable PPK, the pocket gun class has adopted polymer as the standard. We still like our steel but the ounces saved by polymers is too impressive to ignore. IMHO, our venerable steel icons are still good at what they did, just not as well suited to today's needs. If I knew I was headed for a fight, I would not take my 1911 but rather one of it's modern cousins, (a HK USP for example), and not look back. Agreed......................good design for target shooting, but there are a lot of better choices for defensive firearms.

[kenemoore]

Well... Carrying a 1911 requires at least three things, that the average person may not have or want. 1. Maintenance, 1911's require more than the newer polymer pistols, they require more frequent cleaning, and the springs have to be replaced, fairly often. 2. Training, you have to practice sweeping the thumb safety, something you may forget in a stressful situation. A good holster, you cannot EDC a 1911 comfortable with a cheap nylon holster.

I have never had reliability issues with my 1911's, but I understand and maintain them like they need to be maintained. I admit that my early exposure in the military may be a factor.

If you are willing to handle the issues mentioned above, the 1911 is an awesome weapon best trigger I've ever experienced, low recoil, easy to point shoot, the list goes on and on.
Why do I carry one, because it's what I shoot best. Period.
I own and carry others on occasion, but I always come back to my favorite. After carrying a 1911 all day, everyday, when I decide to go with my K9, fills like I'm carrying nothing. I understand how some come to expect that.

I would never recommend a 1911 as an EDC for a newbie, too much to learn, to much maintenance required. I tell everyone to try a G19 as there first weapon. These little Kahr pistols can be a challenge for newbies too, but they learn.

I have many friends that are gun guys, there were three of us 1911 guys, now I'm all alone. Everyone else has transitioned to something else. One friend has moved to high capacity because he thinks he will encounter multiple foes, another has gone for comfort and carries a Shield 9mm now.

[berettabone]

Personally, I would NEVER tell anyone to try a G19 as their first firearm.........in as much as there's a lot to do with a 1911, there is nothing to do with a g19, which is just as bad.........................not a trigger for a beginner IMHO.

[DeaconKC]

Most 1911 problems come from poor magazines [MecGars are excellent btw], lack of lubrication, or trying to fit a 1911 too tightly. Any gun with ultra tight tolerances will experience problems when dirty. It was designed to be loose and we have only been making carry ones tight the last 25 years or so.

[Bawanna]

John Browning was the smartest man alive. He never intended to put a safety on the thing at all.

Military required it. The thing is every thing about the 1911 is natural. When I draw my thumb is on the thumb safety. Almost without thought if you tense up (insert stress here) the natural reaction is to squeeze the safety down.

Now you have a Glock, where you have to remember to keep your finger off the trigger till your ready for the bang.

The grip safety is a no brainer, I know a few guys who's hands just don't positively squeeze it good enough and they pin them.

I don't need that nor would I want to pin mine.

Ironically it was Glock that made me feel safer and comfortable carrying a 1911. All you got is the trigger. Mess up, put your finger on the trigger and you better be ready to shoot. Now I'm not comfortable carrying a Glock. Strange huh?

At least with the 1911 you got that thumb safety which is a natural motion. I sweep the non existent thumb safety on my PM45, or my K40 or K9. Natural move.

[finpro]

Don't we all have to remember and train to keep our fingers off the trigger until ready to fire? If someone can't or won't do this, maybe he should reconsider carrying a pistol. I realize this is a concept that was not always taught. In a WWII era US Army pistol training film shooters kept fingers on the trigger and shot from waist level with one hand. I think we do it better now.

Of course, Browning's original 1911 was very different from today's. His was loose by design for reliability and had crude sights. By today's standards, it was not more than minimally accurate. It was the reinvention and development by post WWII custom gunsmiths and shooters like Jeff Cooper who developed its potential accuracy, which probably diminished its combat reliability. I wonder how Browning would have designed it if he had access to modern manufacturing and design techniques. He designed the 1911 when skilled labor was cheap, technology was expensive and cavalrymen carried pistols. Now technology is cheap, skilled labor is expensive and machine guns ended cavalry charges. My guess is he would design firearms very differently. I assume simplicity of design, manufacturing economy, light weight and high firepower would be priorities.

Under the right circumstances, 1911s are superb weapon. Few production guns can outshoot a properly functioning, high quality 1911. In my IDPA experience, if someone has a gun problem, unrelated to ammunition, it probably involves a 1911. Include me in this. There are too many things that can and do go wrong with them.

[O'Dell]

I agree Bawanna. I know I go against the grain, but I like manual safeties. My first pistol was a Browning HP and I shot 1911's on a Navy pistol team. I'm used to them! I even swipe off the non-existent safety on my Kahrs and Sig's. The safety is the principle reason I prefer my HK's to my Sig's. The HK's can be carried 'cocked and locked" just like a 1911, and then you have that nice single action trigger for the first shot. Also my Sig C3, a 4.25 inch 1911, is my most accurate [and the prettiest]hand gun, at least for me. I have five 1911's, ranging from a small Detonics Combat Master to a FS Springfield lightweight. None has given me any reliability problems except the Detonics, and that was fixed with some new mags, replacing the 35 year old originals.

[Barth]

With the V-Bob being a 4.25" gun.
I assumed it was a compact and would run the
Smaller Officers mags. Ops
Canceled the 6 Officer Wilson's.
And ordered 3 top end tactical HD +P Lol mags (cheaperthandirt).
Contacted Tripp and they will swap the mags for free.
If I'll spring for $8.50 shipping - LOL.
Tripp customer service is amazing!
Should have the 6 high end mags.
Plus the two 8 round Checkmates.
All in hand shortly.

Much to learn with these 1911s...

[340pd]

A bit of a pain to clean and maintain, heavy to carry, but if I am FORCED to shoot two handed, strong hand, then weak hand, during relatively rapid fire, I go to....

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t320/gnystrom_photos/41677c76-25e0-4583-b9df-c971b27cbeb3_zps4157b253.jpg

[Barth]

A bit of a pain to clean and maintain, heavy to carry, but if I am FORCED to shoot two handed, strong hand, then weak hand, during relatively rapid fire, I go to....

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t320/gnystrom_photos/41677c76-25e0-4583-b9df-c971b27cbeb3_zps4157b253.jpg
http://i1361.photobucket.com/albums/r678/barthunderwood/IMG_20170111_184827_zpss6jlvqug.jpg



Hickok45 describes the V-Bob as a poor man's EB Kobra Carry.
I've held a Kobra Carry and it seems crazy close in size to a V-Bob.
Actually like the 25 LPI, and two color Heinie Straight Eights on the V-Bob better :)
Folks can argue quality. But if my V-Bob is a shooter? :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cctvMIf4CCY&feature=youtu.be

[Bawanna]

The Kobra and your Vbob are exactly the same size. Both bobtailed commanders.

Everything will interchange, grips, mags, everything.

I'd agree with Hickok 5 years or so ago when you could get the Dan Wesson for 7 or 800. Now at 1500 not so poor man anymore.

I don't know what a Kobra runs now days, they don't give them away I do know that.

[gb6491]

I think the 47OXC is an officers size mag and will be too short for your Vbob. If you can't return those there are a few officers size owners around here. I have one, Greg I'm pretty sure still has one. A few others. Should be able to send them back.
The Wilson 7 and 8 round mags are the same length and both should fit.

I use nothing but 47D 8 round Wilson mags. I don't know that I've ever even shot the DW mags, probably but not regularly.

I've never tried the Tacticals Heavy Duty Wilson mags since what I use works without fail.
PLus I turn away at anything that says Tactical. Like looking at cars that are described as "Rare".
Whoa, I missed that. My Officer's has morphed into a CCO, but of course you knew those mags would've have worked in it. Thanks for keeping me in mind sir. :)
http://i61.tinypic.com/2rm0gt2.jpg
Regards,
Greg

[340pd]

I sold printing paper for 46 years. A few years ago I went to my office mailbox and there was a check from a supplier for $2500 for selling a line of products they sold. I never even knew about the "contest" and I must have been lucky enough to get a large qualifying order. I grabbed that check and hot footed it ten miles down the road to Cabela's. In their gun library sat a almost new Kobra Carry complete with six mags and a $1950 price tag. Done deal.

The truth is, given a reasonable set of sights and a good trigger, most any 1911 will shoot with any of the higher grades. In fact I have a 3" Kimber Ultra CDP that I may in fact at 30' shoot better groups than my Ed Brown.

If you anyone desires a 1911 there are plenty to choose from. Most any gun will shoot better than the trigger puller is capable of so my recommendation would be get trigger and sight work done by someone that knows what they are doing and save yourself the extra $2000-$3000 for a top end model. Unless of course someone puts a unexpected large check in your mailbox.
My 2¢

[Bawanna]

I sold printing paper for 46 years. A few years ago I went to my office mailbox and there was a check from a supplier for $2500 for selling a line of products they sold. I never even knew about the "contest" and I must have been lucky enough to get a large qualifying order. I grabbed that check and hot footed it ten miles down the road to Cabela's. In their gun library sat a almost new Kobra Carry complete with six mags and a $1950 price tag. Done deal.

The truth is, given a reasonable set of sights and a good trigger, most any 1911 will shoot with any of the higher grades. In fact I have a 3" Kimber Ultra CDP that I may in fact at 30' shoot better groups than my Ed Brown.

If you anyone desires a 1911 there are plenty to choose from. Most any gun will shoot better than the trigger puller is capable of so my recommendation would be get trigger and sight work done by someone that knows what they are doing and save yourself the extra $2000-$3000 for a top end model. Unless of course someone puts a unexpected large check in your mailbox.
My 2¢

Spot on 100%. I don't own a Wilson or an Ed Brown, best I got or perhaps it could be described as the highest end in my inventory is the Cbob. My MRI 1911G will run with or better it, the 1911 C is usually close.
Ruger and Remington, not at all far behind.
Put in the right hands they'd probably do better.

That was Jeff Coopers mind set, get something with good sights and a manageable trigger and your good to go.

[downtownv]

I watched that video a dozen times. Made my britches stick out in front. Awesome.

Colonel, are you sure that wasn't your Joystick?
http://www.kahrtalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=14460&stc=1

[Barth]

Haven't gotten to shoot the V-Bob yet due to the mag debacle I created for myself :mad:
Have rented Wilson, Nighthawk and Kimber.
The fit, finish and build of the DW is outstanding.
Totally love the factory sights and the trigger feels as good as any I've pulled.
Really excited about this gun.
Was afraid of entering the 1911 Universe do to lack of knowledge.
Seems like I accidentally stumbled into a keeper :D

[Bawanna]

Haven't gotten to shoot the V-Bob yet due to the mag debacle I created for myself :mad:
Have rented Wilson, Nighthawk and Kimber.
The fit, finish and build of the DW is outstanding.
Totally love the factory sights and the trigger feels as good as any I've pulled.
Really excited about this gun.
Was afraid of entering the 1911 Universe do to lack of knowledge.
Seems like I accidentally stumbled into a keeper :D

The factory mags should work just fine and dandy if you need to take a little taste of quality.
I know all the tactical cool guys insist on Wilson, McCormick etc but wear dark glasses or a paper sack over your head and nobody will know. I used to do that driving my Ford van, worked for quite a while too before I came out.

Don't use the plastic bags, if you wear it for awhile you get kind of sleepy and disoriented. Can't put my finger on that one.

[Barth]

The factory mags should work just fine and dandy if you need to take a little taste of quality.
I know all the tactical cool guys insist on Wilson, McCormick etc but wear dark glasses or a paper sack over your head and nobody will know. I used to do that driving my Ford van, worked for quite a while too before I came out.

Don't use the plastic bags, if you wear it for awhile you get kind of sleepy and disoriented. Can't put my finger on that one.


Damn, I was waiting on 6 extra mags to start shooting with.
I'm actually pretty confident the two Checkmates are fine.
Just wanted to function check all the mags (Tripp, Wilson & Checkmate).
With the 500 to 700 round break in planned.
But you're making me antsy friend.
Not sure how long I can last...

[Bawanna]

I can't believe you've lasted this long. I've already put 4000 rounds through it in my dreams. Hope you don't mind. Dream rounds don't generally effect wear in any way. The gun may be warm if you pick it up early in the day but don't let that give you pause at all. All perfectly good.

Believe me you'll be back plenty of times to try out them new mags when they get there.

Still no word on the nice grips either I suppose.......................

[Barth]

I can't believe you've lasted this long. I've already put 4000 rounds through it in my dreams. Hope you don't mind. Dream rounds don't generally effect wear in any way. The gun may be warm if you pick it up early in the day but don't let that give you pause at all. All perfectly good.

Believe me you'll be back plenty of times to try out them new mags when they get there.

Still no word on the nice grips either I suppose.......................


The super grips are a no show?
The guy will not respond to emails?
Bizarre
As for not shooting the gun?
I normally shoot everything within 24 hours of getting it in my hands.
This is totally killing me.
I may have to go shooting with the shipped two Checkmates this weekend.
Thanks for pushing me over the edge :D

I'm sure this thing is a bullseye punching machine.
Your dreams are totally true :cool:

Update:
Tripp is incredible :D
U.S.A. family business that takes business seriously :Amflag2:
Tripp received my returned mags this morning and shipped the replacements in the afternoon - OMG!
I'll wait for the Tripp's - they will arrive in a few days.
Cheaper than Dirt hasn't even shipped yet - LOL!

[nmkahrshooter]

Just goes to show you most experts do not know what they are taking about. New guns are coming out constantly following the 1911 design. Just ask Springfield or Kimber if they are losing money on a 100 year old design. I think not! Thats why if they say they are experts, I ignore them!

[Bawanna]

I had to sit for 9 hours yesterday getting a Glock armorer certificate. Some interesting dialogue between the instructor and me. Had I been able to hear it probably would have been ugly.

Super nice guy, just misguided and far too much of the polymer kool aid. Which probably feeds and houses his family so who can blame him.

Funny thing an officer went too who had never been inside a Glock. I've taken them down a 1000 times, I studied a manual from a previous class, memorized nomenclature. Officer got a 100 on the test, I only got an 88.

Mostly probably cause I can't hear probably and questions like interchanging parts between generations.
I'm just glad it's over and I won't be doing any more class's. EVER!

[berettabone]

Just goes to show you most experts do not know what they are taking about. New guns are coming out constantly following the 1911 design. Just ask Springfield or Kimber if they are losing money on a 100 year old design. I think not! Thats why if they say they are experts, I ignore them!
When you charge a couple thousand for a firearm, and then it shoots nothing but expensive ammo, why would you lose money. It takes new comers to the 1911 world to figure this out. It's why you see so many Kimber's and Springfield's for sale. Too much money for what they are worth. There are only so many changes to make on a 1911. Springfield's models all look the same. So do Kimber's. For years. They have to try to keep new things coming out, or they will go by the wayside. I don't knock the design itself, although they are still not the best option for carry. You can lead people to water, but you can't make them put on a bathing suit:)

[Bawanna]

The part that baffles me is when you achieve a perfect handgun why do folks feel the need to change it?

It's like everything else I guess. Good example is a friend who knows about Sea Doo's. Two boats sitting on the beach, same company Sea Doo. I asked him what the difference was in them. He said the paint job. The one was this years colors and the other was a couple years ago. Same everything else but marketing tells them that folks just don't want to be caught riding last years model.

Same with cars etc.

When you stop seeing change other than cosmetics it's a pretty good sign that they have it figured out.

VW's biggest mistake was to stop making the BUG. Had to be a money maker for them when they didn't have to redesign every year.

[Alfonse]

I did drool on some of those Cabot 1911s at SHOT today. They have some wild grips, stag, stabilized wood with gnarly looking knots, etc. And, the finishes on them....

[Barth]

TheFinerGrain Sarge got back to me and the grips were mailed and should be here.
I'll check tomorrow as my 3 Tripp and 3 Wilson mags arrive tomorrow as well.
Grips or no grips - I'm running 300 FMJs and 200 HSTs down the pipe of my V-Bob on Sunday.

Not sure if anyone has said it yet?
But Long Live President Trump :amflag:

[nmkahrshooter]

I'm just saying there is NO comparison with a 1911 and a polymer gun. Both have good and bad points. To each their own but mine will always favor a 1911. There is no polymer that can compare.

[knkali]

"Funny yesterday the SWAT snipers went through their rifles, thoroughly cleaned, checked torques on mounts, etc. One needed a tool at my desk and then some help with a Harris Bipod mount. While helping he asked the significance of the framed photos all of 1911's hanging around my desk. I told him other than the fact that they are the finest handgun ever built they probably are wearing grips that I made.
He looked somewhat perplexed after the finest handgun ever built comment. I asked him if he was a communist......finished my help and returned to my cubicle 1911 oasis. "

THAT quote is priceless. FnA. I read some stuff here that sums it up, or describes stuff perfectly. This is one of those.

[O'Dell]

When you charge a couple thousand for a firearm, and then it shoots nothing but expensive ammo, why would you lose money. It takes new comers to the 1911 world to figure this out. It's why you see so many Kimber's and Springfield's for sale. Too much money for what they are worth. There are only so many changes to make on a 1911. Springfield's models all look the same. So do Kimber's. For years. They have to try to keep new things coming out, or they will go by the wayside. I don't knock the design itself, although they are still not the best option for carry. You can lead people to water, but you can't make them put on a bathing suit:)

I have both a Kimber Ultra Carry II and a SA fs light weight, along with a SIG C3, Detonics Combat Master, and an STI Escort. My favorite is the SIG, but I have no complaints about the Kimber or Springfield. BTW, I didn't pay anything close $2000 for any of them - less than half on average. As far as expensive ammo, I use pretty standard ball and HP rounds in my 1911's and my other 45's.

[berettabone]

I've shot them, and I just don't see the hype. I'd take an HK polymer over a 1911 any day. And be more accurate with them.............................................. .there are a boatload of 1911's for sale in my area, they can't sell them fast enough, and for good $$$$$$$$$$$$$$.