NOOOOOO! The saga continues. MK9 going back again [Archive]

Genin

02-01-2017, 08:57 AM

Well, my MK9 is going back to the factory again. My MK9 with the new replacement frame has an issue. The last round ejects very anemically and sometimes gets caught up, like jammed into the mag feed lips, and requires a tug on the mag to get it released. Once again, this is only the LAST round of the mag. I am so frustrated. I contacted Kahr about it yesterday and said, send me new mags, a new extrator, whatever and I'll do it myself to which they said no I'd have to send it in to them. I'm still waiting for my shipping label to hit my e-mail but I'll try calling them again this afternoon if I still haven't received it. I'm not happy.

Here's a pic of my mags, they have different followers. The one on the left (old follower) is where the cases get caught sometimes and you can see the scratch marks on the follower from the jams. The one on the right is the newer follower I guess but it ejects just barely, sometimes just laying in the ejection port and sometimes does not lock the slide back. Miserable:

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CPTKILLER

02-01-2017, 09:47 AM

This is BS. I feel your pain. You are more patient than me. I'd insist on a refund for something better.

Redstate

02-01-2017, 10:36 AM

Sorry to hear this. Hope it works out this time.

Genin

02-01-2017, 11:09 AM

CPT,
I'm starting to lose my patience. I've just not really had so many problems with a single gun before, let alone one that costs this much. Ridiculous. Crap happens so I'm giving them one more shot before I take the loss and ask for a refund and hopefully make some of my money back on the extras I've bought (grips, sights, holsters, etc).

Redstate,
Thanks hombre. Me too.

Bawanna

02-01-2017, 11:36 AM

This is especially troublesome especially being an MK which we rarely hear of issues with.

You need to hang onto the patience and let them get it right. They will or failing that they will replace it.

I'd send the gun and both of those magazines so they have exactly what you have to work with. I think we're dealing with something pretty simple this time, a bum extractor or something in that chain, maybe a spring.

Not good but it happens.

Genin

02-01-2017, 02:42 PM

Bawanna,
Thank you for the reassurance. I already boxed up the gun with both mags, per their request. I had to call them to get the shipping label, but after my call it was in my e-mail. It will be mailed this evening. Wish me luck.

Bawanna

02-01-2017, 03:00 PM

No luck needed my friend. Just that horrible to maintain patience. I got your back on this one.

Genin

02-01-2017, 08:46 PM

I really hope they don't have to replace the pistol because I'll get charged another transfer fee. That will really add insult to injury.

boscobarbell

02-02-2017, 10:38 AM

Wow...not good. Sorry to hear the bad news.

Genin

02-02-2017, 11:02 AM

gb6491

02-02-2017, 02:36 PM

Yes bosco. Not good. Really not good. My confidence is really really shook at this point. I don't really know what to do. I mean even if they send it back "supposedly" fixed. Is it going to break again in a hundred rounds or so? Maybe I should just sell or trade it or use it as a tuck away trunk gun somewhere. Not sure yet. I'm just super bummed.

Good news, it was delivered to the factory this AM so at least it's in their hands now.
I've had several issues (including the one discussed in this thread) with my CW45 since I've owned it. Most were in it's infancy with me. Later, I found that it had short front rails that, even though the gun was reliable, required replacing the frame to make it right. Still later, I found live rounds with XTP shaped bullets could be very difficult to eject (I just avoided that ammo until I was able to cut more freebore into the barrel).

Still, I'm fond of the gun and, though I've needed to vet it after some fixes, I trust it and use it as my primary carry. I don't agonize over if it will fail again or not. Which brings me to this, if you can't get to that point again with your MK9, I'd say once Kahr says it's good to go you can sell or trade it in good faith and should probably do so.

Regards,
Greg

Genin

02-02-2017, 08:08 PM

Greg,
Roger.

boscobarbell

02-03-2017, 11:41 AM

Yes bosco. Not good. Really not good. My confidence is really really shook at this point. I don't really know what to do. I mean even if they send it back "supposedly" fixed. Is it going to break again in a hundred rounds or so? Maybe I should just sell or trade it or use it as a tuck away trunk gun somewhere. Not sure yet. I'm just super bummed.

Good news, it was delivered to the factory this AM so at least it's in their hands now.

I understand your frustration...and I would probably look at things exactly the same way.

There is something to be said for boringly predictable and reliable pistols. Case in point: I have a fairly new Remington RM380. Happily digests anything you feed it, not a single malfunction since purchase, runs dirty, dry, whatever. It's become a staple in my carry rotation. I joined the Remington forum, and the sub-section for that pistol is eerily quiet. Someone will post a review of the pistol when one pops up in a periodical, but other than that...crickets. Again, boringly predictable.

My MK9 (knock on wood, perfect so far) is amongst my favorite guns EVER. But I'm not sure I would keep it if I had the issues you're experiencing.

Genin

02-03-2017, 12:08 PM

boscobarbell

02-04-2017, 10:30 PM

bosco,
I guess I've just been very lucky with many of my purchases. I only ever had an issue like this once and it was with a Glock 19 Gen 4 when they were first introduced. At that time Glock went through like 3 different recoil spring assemblies and a different ejector the Gen4s before they got it right (mine only went back to the factory once). It came back and worked, but I just couldn't trust it and ended up getting another Gen3 which has been my go to and have over 8k rounds through it. Great gun. I guess I just don't like risk related to a specific firearm. We'll see. If I get it back and it runs like a top, I'm sure I'll just laugh it off. If it has even one hiccup I'll freaking spaz!!!! hahaha.

Understand completely. And I feel exactly the same about my guns...I own them for a purpose. I'm not a collector or a range hobbyist (although there's nothing wrong with either). I own/carry them for the purpose of self-defense, and--as such--anything less than dead-solid predictable is just not acceptable.

I'm actually a little nervous, because next week my PM9 goes back to the range for the last of its break-in period. I had a couple of FTF in the first 100 or so rounds (which I expected), and then the next 100 were flawless. My next range trip, I'm looking for another 100 rounds trouble-free, and at that point it's a keeper and goes into my carry rotation. But if malfunctions continue to pop up, I'll have a hard time convincing myself to hold on to it.

Genin

02-05-2017, 08:21 AM

Exactly. You and I have similar beliefs and theory of use for our firearms. I will put at least 200 through this repaired one before I will even consider using it and if I don't use it in a rotation then I don't need it and it will go away. All of my pistols get shot at least monthly and are in some type of role and rotation.

boscobarbell

02-06-2017, 09:02 PM

Keep us posted on this. I really want to hear how the whole thing turns out.

I am head-over-heels with these little Kahr pistols, but I really need some positive feedback to beat back some nagging little doubts.

Genin

02-07-2017, 07:19 AM

Oh I certainly will. I have not heard anything from them at this point. I know the other one was an easy fix in that they just knew they had to replace the frame and did. I'd imagine it will take a bit longer this time because they will have to make sure that it actually works before sending it back. If it's not this week then I won't be able to report until after next week since I'll be away for Gunnery at Ft. Pickett.

Genin

02-07-2017, 07:44 PM

Got a shipping confirmation email. It'll be to me by Thursday night. I'll report back after I check it out and see what they "fixed"

Barth

02-08-2017, 06:30 PM

Best of Luck with your MK.
Hate to hear of folks having problems.
My MK40 Elite was tight as hell new.
Had trouble disassembling/assembling.
Plus it was a jam o matic with FMJs for the first 100 rounds.
Second 100 got better, but still not good :mad:
Finally the next 100 started to smooth out.
Switched to JHP and had only a few FTF with the next 100.
400 rounds down the pipe and the gun turned golden :cool:
Now 1,500+ rounds with ZERO FTF/FTE/FTRTB with 135,155,165.180 grain JHPs :D
Mine prefers 180 gr for accuracy.

Genin

02-08-2017, 08:42 PM

Barth,
I wish it was the case with this mk9. I have over 1k rounds through this little piggy. I won't trust it after it comes back until I have 300 rounds through it.

Barth

02-08-2017, 09:07 PM

Barth,
I wish it was the case with this mk9. I have over 1k rounds through this little piggy. I won't trust it after it comes back until I have 300 rounds through it.

Damn, Karh should take care of it.
I wish you luck friend.
200 with my favored carry ammo usually lets me sleep through the night :cool:

Genin

02-09-2017, 08:37 AM

Well, I pick it up today Barth so yes, luck to me. I hope that they really fixed it. I'll report what the sheet from them says. I should note that the gun operated fine before my frame cracked and was replaced. Now it doesn't function. Hopefully they tweaked whatever the issue was and now it will be good-to-go! Like you said, a couple hundred of range ammo and a hundred of carry ammo and I'll be happy. However, even a single malfunction after 100 rounds and I think I'll have to say good bye to the MK series. Stay tuned.

Redstate

02-09-2017, 09:43 AM

Genin, did Kahr tell you what they did to fix it?

CPTKILLER

02-09-2017, 10:57 AM

You need a totally new pistol!

Genin

02-09-2017, 10:59 AM

Redstate,
Nope. My wife just texted me a picture that they delivered it to the house (thank god she's home with the kids for a snow day) and she signed for it. I'll check the sheet of paper in it and let you guys know what it says they fixed. I won't get home till around 1700 or so today.

CPT,
I'll tell you what. If this one does not work, I will be getting a brand new pistol!

Bawanna

02-09-2017, 12:12 PM

Doubtful they will say much on what they did. They are generally pretty generic and just hit the high points.

Hopefully it just works without issue.

Genin

02-09-2017, 12:13 PM

Bawanna,
You mean they will just say "repaired" or something like that? They don't actually itemize the repair?

CPTKILLER

02-09-2017, 12:45 PM

Good luck!

Bawanna

02-09-2017, 01:12 PM

Bawanna,
You mean they will just say "repaired" or something like that? They don't actually itemize the repair?

Yeah, usually reads tuned this, adjusted that etc. What we have to remember is the guy doing the fixing is working on guns, not sitting at a desk in front of a computer. All he wants to do is fix the gun and make it run. He probably hates paperwork as much as any of us. So just because you don't get a full detailed page of his activities doesn't mean he didn't do anything.

The frustrating part for them and I've contacted them in the past is the vast majority of the guns they receive for issues work fine for them. They shoot it and it does everything they want it to do. This is why it's so important to give them all the information you possibly can regarding your issues.

Nobody likes to hear it but often times it's shooter error, poor grip, weak ammo, any number of things that they can't control.

There are those of course who will say I never have those issues with my Glock or my Sig or my 47 Whizz banger and this should be no different. Well in fact it is different. For some perhaps the Kahr just won't work and that's ok.

I'll be accused of working for Kahr. I don't. Never did and most likely never will unless they open a place this side of the Mississippi. But they really do want your gun to run. If folks lose faith (understandable) and give up, then good luck with whatever comes next. I try to stick with the half full glass and predict things will work fine. If not we'll have to drop back and reevaluate.

Genin

02-09-2017, 02:25 PM

Bawanna,

I always give everyone a chance to make it right. I'm giving them as much opportunity as I would anyone else. In fact, more than I would another brand to be honest, just because I have money into this firearm and bought it because it fit a role I really want it to succeed in.

Trust me, I've heard all the fanboy nonsense in the past such as limp wristing, weak grip, etc. That stuff doesn't affect me and I don't even entertain the idea of sending an item in for repair until I've focused on all those variable to remove as many as possible. That way when I call it has a pretty decent clear issue to report with either a known cause or an easy path to follow to a fix.

I also do despise paperwork and working for the state in behavioral health, being in the military, and going for my masters; I've learned to hate paper with a passion.

I'm staying optimistic at this point. I am hoping it was something silly like mag springs being weak (I check to make sure they were the right way), bad follower, or just needing a new extractor. I probably won't get to shoot it till Saturday, but I'll still report what the paper says.

Genin

02-09-2017, 04:36 PM

Ok so here's what it says:

replaced barrel, recoil spring, follower, polished extractor, ejector. Lubed tested OK.

That's a direct quote.

Ed M

02-09-2017, 05:22 PM

Yikes. Well, on the good side, you've got essentially a new gun. Piece by piece...

At my job, I often have to do repairs on some pretty expensive and complicated equipment. It really annoys me when I can't pinpoint the EXACT cause of a malfunction. I hate just replacing parts and hoping for the best.

If it were me, I'd want to know exactly what the problem was. Debris in the extractor channel, corrosion, etc. Knowing this information would be helpful in preventing this from happening again, and allow you to handle it yourself IF there is a "next time".

Did you detail strip it before you sent it out?
Was the issue due to fitment with the new frame?
Just what was wrong with the old barrel?

Questions like this are ones I would want answered. Having a bunch of mags on hand, along with a brand new recoil assembly would have answered some questions for me. I'd have detailed stripped the slide as well to ensure no "stuff" got into the extractor/ejector channel.

Lots of questions, no exact answer given. Not very confidence inspiring for something you bet your life on every day. Wonder if you could speak with the gunsmith at Kahr that did the work? That would go a long ways toward restoring my confidence in that MK. My car dealer allows this, and they also provide and show me any defective/worn parts when they do a repair. I don't think this is too much to ask, especially when your life depends on it's reliability.

But, that's just me....

Redstate

02-09-2017, 07:13 PM

Genin, that should make it run like clockwork. Hoping for a great range report.

Genin

02-09-2017, 08:53 PM

Well I have no clue what was wrong with the old barrel but the new barrel is ****! There's a divot in the barrel where steel is then pushed up, must have been caused when they were doing the rifling. So yippie. I will be calling them tomorrow and demanding a new barrel get sent immediately! What the hell is wrong with their quality control?!

Genin

02-09-2017, 09:23 PM

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Genin

02-09-2017, 09:55 PM

In addition, they did some grinding and polishing to the inside of my frame. I'll take pics of that tomorrow and update everyone on what they say about the barrel.

Genin

02-10-2017, 04:39 PM

Well they are making me send the slide and barrel back to them. On my dime too. Only cost $7 for priority mail though and they said they'll give me a free mag for my troubles. The saga continues. I'll update you all when I get back from gunnery and hopefully my slide will be waiting for me at home.

boscobarbell

02-10-2017, 08:46 PM

Genin

02-11-2017, 06:25 AM

Yup, very uncool. Just let's me know that they don't really care about checking over the components, they just toss pieces in and test fire. It's almost funny at this point. This gun will just be a tuck away and forget it exists piece. I won't make my money even close to back on it so I refuse to sell it.

SaltyNC

02-11-2017, 10:40 AM

You've been a trooper, Genin, and Kahr should really just send you a new MK at this point--one that has been thoroughly inspected and test fired by a senior member of their staff. They could use your original one for training purposes internally in their organization.

Before you send it back, maybe you can include a note and ask them to pretend the firearm is being presented to Mr. Moon. I assume they would spend the time to make sure that one would be perfect.

Good luck,
Salty

Genin

02-11-2017, 06:26 PM

Salty,
hahaha I like your thinking. I already shipped them my slide and hope they don't mess up for a third time for Petes sake. On a side note, I bought a nice Glock 43 (blue label discount) and it is amazing!!!! The MK9 will be relegated to the safe.

Ed M

02-11-2017, 08:05 PM

Hmmmm. Sounds familiar.....

Truglo time for you, I'll bet.

Highly recommend the Vickers mag extension for the 43. Nice 8 + 1 capacity, inexpensive, no drama. Talon makes a grip cover for like 2 bucks for them. With the grip for the 43, the feel is excellent. Almost the same price as a Pierce pinkie extension, and feels better (to me).

Should go a long ways toward healing your "wounds". No drama is a good thing!

Genin

02-11-2017, 08:31 PM

Ed M,
Thank you for the tips. I could not agree with you more that I needed some drama free super compact 9mm in my life. The 43 is fantastic. Shoots very well too (I've shot Glocks for a long time so I am very familiar with their triggers). I asked my wife to grab me some sights for Valentine's Day. I hope she comes through.

gb6491

02-12-2017, 04:32 AM

Good fortune with your G43 Genin.
I wanted to like that pistol, but they bang the heck out of my knuckles. My G27/26 doesn't do this and is close enough in size that the G43 is an oddball out for me.
Regards,
Greg

Genin

02-12-2017, 07:04 AM

Greg,
I love my G26, definitely won't be getting rid of that ever! The 43 is just a lot thinner for me so it feels comfortable inside my waist band. Light too. I'll post a couple pics up soon. Already stippled it up like I do all my Glocks

boscobarbell

02-12-2017, 07:55 PM

Wow...that's a shame. Congrats on the new Glock, though. Like I always joke with my LGS, all roads seem to lead to Glock. I LOVE drama-free guns, and have been eyeing the 43 for a while. My 26 is my duty carry pistol, and when I retire (very soon) I'll probably swap it out for a 27, along with a 26 barrel so I can shoot either the 40 cal or 9mm, depending on my mood.

Much as I love Kahr, I kinda look at them like some older gen sports cars. When they work they are bliss, but they can also drive you insane with finicky machinery and frequent repairs.

Redstate

02-12-2017, 09:15 PM

I tried a G43, and could not justify it in light of my Kahr P9 Covert. My P9 Covert used to be my EDC a few years ago and was worthy of same being malfunction free. However, my EDC is a G26, and has been for years, although I will occasionally carry the G19. Never had any kind of malfunction in any of my Glocks.

Genin

02-13-2017, 07:23 AM

bosco,
It certainly seems like when the kahrs run they are good, but when they don't.....THEY DON'T! Good plan on the 40 with the 9mm conversion. I've always been tempted to do the same.

Redstate,
I carry my G19 in winter months sometimes. Sometimes I even carry it in the summer, a good holster goes a long way. My 26 got carried way more than the 19 though and I figured I'd go super small with the mk9 for really discreet carry. I just needed it to actually work as a firearm should. Hope they fix it this time. The 43 is great and super compact, much smaller than the 26 when actually in my hands or on my person so that will take the role of the mk9. Glocks just work and are stupid simple. I'm stupid, so I like it simple.

Redstate

02-13-2017, 09:00 AM

Genin, although I carry Glock, I still trust my life to my MK9, K9, and P9 Covert because they are all malfunction free. However, I like the higher capacity of my G26 in such a small package. Thickness of the pistol in my IWB holster does not create an issue for me.

Nevertheless, once I get over my desire for higher capacity. I do always carry a spare mag for reasons other than just extra capacity, such as if I accidently drop a mag or have some sort of malfunction. I may start carrying my MK. Something about all steel pistols. I did in the past EDC my P9 covert that has the same capacity as the MK.

Genin

02-13-2017, 07:00 PM

Red,
I really do need to start carrying an extra mag. I admit that I often don't and that's not good.

Ed M

02-14-2017, 07:52 AM

Sure would like to see your stipple job on that 43. You do such nice work....

How's the trigger? Mine had a beastly 7+ pound pull when I got it. A 25 cent trigger job and a Ghost Edge connector brought it down to 3.8 pounds. Almost too light for my tastes, but man does that thing shoot great!

Oddly enough, I just can't pocket carry the G43. Just a hair too big for me. Maybe this will be the thing that brings your MK back in favor for you. For me, it kinda compares to my high school days. It was always more fun to date the really hot looking girls even though the more homely ones were always willing..... :cool:

Genin

02-14-2017, 08:31 AM

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f54/GeninCloud/IMG_2331_zpskljsntmi.jpg (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/GeninCloud/media/IMG_2331_zpskljsntmi.jpg.html)

Thank you Ed! My trigger is a heavy 6.5lbs. Much more than the 5.5lbs of my G26 and 5lbs of my G19, but not too bad. Hahahaha on the highschool analogy.

Redstate

02-14-2017, 09:47 AM

That is some beautiful stippling.

Genin

02-14-2017, 09:56 AM

Red,
Thank you. I love how it came out as well. I didn't make it very aggressive. It's like a mild sandpaper (the use of 600 then 1500 grit sandpaper to knock off loose ends and high points when completed helps).

Ed M

02-14-2017, 11:55 AM

Wow. Just freakin' WOW. Just doesn't get any better than that...

Genin

02-14-2017, 01:14 PM

Thank you Ed!

Genin

02-20-2017, 06:43 AM

Well I'm back from Gunnery but no notices from Kahr yet. Hopefully I'll hear something this week.

Genin

02-22-2017, 04:13 PM

Heyooooooooo! Well I had a box waiting for me when I got home. The new barrel looks great and they did throw in an extra mag for me! Will be able to test shoot it soon and will report back if all is well in the world! Wish me luck!!!!

boscobarbell

02-22-2017, 09:12 PM

Wow...sounds like things could be on the upswing. Fingers crossed....

Genin

02-23-2017, 08:34 AM

bosco,
If I remember I'll take some pictures, but the barrel is more radiused and smooth on the edges around the barrel hood, which is a nice touch. The finish is great on it and it cycles smooth. I think they may have put time and attention into this replacement which is exciting. The new mag came with the updated follower. I look forward to hitting the range and testing all 3 mags for reliable function.

Redstate

02-23-2017, 09:53 AM

bosco,
... I look forward to hitting the range and testing all 3 mags for reliable function.

I look forward to a very favorable range report.

Genin

02-23-2017, 05:05 PM

Yes, definitely yes. It needs to be positive.

CPTKILLER

02-24-2017, 10:38 AM

I'm wondering why this wasn't done in the first place?

Ed M

02-24-2017, 12:24 PM

Good Luck Genin!

The prom queen is winkin' atcha.......:popcorn:

Genin

02-24-2017, 08:54 PM

OH SWEET JESUS, IT FREAKING WORKS!!!!!!! Woooo hooooo. Reliably ran, ejected, and locked back with all 4 mags. Thank God.

boscobarbell

02-24-2017, 10:30 PM

;);););)

SaltyNC

02-25-2017, 06:47 AM

That's awesome news, Genin. You just have to think of it as an MK Custom. :)

Salty

Genin

02-25-2017, 08:31 AM

Hahaha exactly Salty. It's extra special now that Kahrs custom shop got to it!

Redstate

02-25-2017, 10:08 AM

Great to hear, Genin. Now you can just enjoy.

Genin

02-26-2017, 12:48 PM

Red state,
exactly, I should just be able to have fun with it and not worry.

Redstate

02-26-2017, 01:09 PM

Red state,
exactly, I should just be able to have fun with it and not worry.

Yes, although I rarely use my MK9 and my K9, I expect flawless operation for about 500 rounds before I will with satisfaction relegate them to the safe. The K9 has about 500 flawless rounds and the MK has about 1000 flawless rounds. I am very satisifed with them as I ocassionally take them out of the safe, and dry fire them and drool over them. :D

Genin

02-27-2017, 11:32 AM

I think my MK9 will also be in the safe and come out to play and shoot once in a while. My Glock43 has really taken over the carry role. I just trust it more. Just for fun here's some pics I took of the rounding of the trigger guard I did on my G43 (looked much better on the small frame plus makes it easier to holster in my N82 holster):

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f54/GeninCloud/IMG_2414_zpsbhdyoqq6.jpg (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/GeninCloud/media/IMG_2414_zpsbhdyoqq6.jpg.html)
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berettabone

02-27-2017, 01:33 PM

I guess it's just me, but I see no reason to keep any Kahr in the safe. I would relegate that to more expensive firearms, or firearms that I cherished. Kahr's are meant to be used. Not that you can't cherish a Kahr, it's just that there are so many firearms I would rather keep in a safe. FYI, I shoot everything I own and often.:p

Genin

02-27-2017, 02:38 PM

beretta,
I completely agree in not having safe queens. The MK9 will be shot, but given my very rocky track record with this particular pistol it will be put only in rotation for range fun at this point. It will need to have at least 1k rounds through it before I will trust this particular firearm for anything more than recreation and a good time. Presently, I am just damn happy that it works great and looks awesome.

Bawanna

02-27-2017, 02:43 PM

berettabone

02-27-2017, 03:14 PM

It's funny..................the one's that complain about being broke, have the most toys stuffed in a safe. Firearms do you no good sitting in a safe, unless you have LOTS of disposable income. If you can't shoot it, or don't have the time, why store it????? Free up some cash, or let someone else enjoy it. Seems like such a waste having guns sitting in safes. Usually, that's why people get married............so they have something to fondle. I used to have firearms that I NEVER shot. Then I got to thinking.....why? Came to my senses, and sold the one's I didn't want to shoot, and those which I had no time to shoot. Took the wifey out for some nice dinners, after all, they are the one's that put up with all of this firearm nonsense to begin with.:o

Bawanna

02-27-2017, 03:48 PM

The vast majority of my guns have sentimental value. Either inherited, gifted or sold cheap by good friends or historically special at least to me. A handful perhaps will probably never be shot. The rest get shot or will get shot when time allows.
Most have no huge dollar value but most I could never part with for any amount.

They are still most enjoyable and get fondled on a regular basis.

Now buying paintings or golf clubs, that's exactly what your talking about, a complete waste of time except to the person who enjoys paintings or golf, perish the thought.

I have a pretty good pile of Nepali knives but again most were gifted or I got a super deal on. Material objects don't imply great wealth. I guess if you have a garage with 40 collector cars or trucks that might imply wealth but I don't have to worry none about that with my 17 years old van.

I enjoy messing with guns and khukris etc. The little Mossberg I picked up last weekend has been a fun project, getting the correct stuff for it and refinishing the stock etc. When I'm done it might bring 200 or 250 on a very good day but I have no intention of selling it and if it never gets shot (it will) I'll love it just as much.

Redstate

02-27-2017, 07:17 PM

I just put some of my safe queens up for sale yesterday. The MK9 and K9 will never be sold. Years ago, I made the mistake of selling a K9, and it took me a few years to get another one. Never again. I may end up carrying the MK or the K9 someday. For now it is my Glock 26 or on occasion my Glock 19.

Genin

02-28-2017, 07:42 AM

I can't help but recall the issue started out as a cosmetic crack that didn't cause any malfunction.
Frame replaced and then the issues began, new barrel that was not good and shouldn't have been sent out.

Other than some bad luck it really doesn't have all that bad a track record. Definitely a confidence cold shower but not totally unworthy.

I have a safe full of queens and when / if the day ever comes and I have disposable income again I'll add a second safe to fill with queens. Man can't have too many and not enough money or hours in the day to shoot them all very often.

Everyone has different standards brother. For me, a frame weakness and crack developing, although not causing a malfunction, means the product is subpar and may have other quality control faults that may cause a catastrophic failure. To get it back and have it not work properly is unacceptable by anyone's standards. For them to send it back again but with a bad barrel just made it even more clear that Kahr gives not a single crap about quality control, so yep still don't have confidence. Like I said it will need at least 1k rounds through it without a single hiccup before it's considered trust worthy and that is an extremely bad track record in my opinion, which is truly the only one that matters since it's my firearm.

Genin

02-28-2017, 07:44 AM

yqtszhj

02-28-2017, 08:34 AM

Very nice smoothing on that trigger guard and stippling. Dare I say about a glock it even looks......... good?

Sold my last Glock last weekend. Now glockless with no regrets since I havd the CZ bug really bad.

topgun1953

02-28-2017, 08:53 AM

Does anyone know what manufacturing operations were moved to the new plant in PA? I'm thinking some of the more recent quality issues might be connected to the challenges of moving operations from one location to another. Have you ever been to a new restaurant and had to endure poor service? I don't want to be making excuses for Kahr, but I'd like to understand how some things like a lousy barrel can escape their facility.

Ed M

02-28-2017, 09:04 AM

.......since I have the CZ bug really bad.

Oh, thank you so much for this.

Thanks to your post with your C100, I now own one.

"Stuff" is still inbound, but I already have 100 rounds through it. Oh damn, it's nice!

I've got Truglo TFX sights on the way. I'm concerned about the front sight removal/install, since the bottom of the dovetail seems to be covered by the barrel bushing. A local gun shop owner is on the CZ Clone forum, and he swears it isn't an issue.....

Genin

02-28-2017, 10:16 AM

yqt,
Thank you. It's funny that you mention CZ since Glocks and CZs are my primary handguns. I love the CZs. They have the best ergos in the game. I did catch myself swearing more than a few times at that damn decocker sear though hahaha.

topgun,
crap happens. Just when it continues to, does it really become a concern. Very well could be because of moving I guess. I was unaware they were moving to my state of PA.

Ed,
I did some sight swapping on a Canik55 Stingray C and I was able to get CZ 75 sights to fit. It did take a little bit of filing of the underside, just so you are aware.

yqtszhj

02-28-2017, 12:34 PM

Oh, thank you so much for this.

Thanks to your post with your C100, I now own one.

"Stuff" is still inbound, but I already have 100 rounds through it. Oh damn, it's nice!

I've got Truglo TFX sights on the way. I'm concerned about the front sight removal/install, since the bottom of the dovetail seems to be covered by the barrel bushing. A local gun shop owner is on the CZ Clone forum, and he swears it isn't an issue.....

Glad I could help. If there is anything else I can do just let me know....;) Get the 13.5 hamner spring if you haven't yet.

I've been contemplating enlarging the factory sight dots and filling them with Glow-on http://www.glow-on.com . That stuff looks cool and it appears better than my stock P-07 and P-09 sights. Plus its cheap. Figure it cant hurt. The C-100 is crazy accurate.

berettabone

02-28-2017, 12:44 PM

berettabone,
You trying to let me know that you want to buy my MK9 or something? Hahahaha. Make me a good offer and we'll talk. Shoot me a PM and we can exchange phone numbers. I'm willing to have that chat if I think I'll get remotely close to what I paid for the firearm, TFX sights, and G10 grips. It'll come with 4 mags :-).
I'm not the hinting type. I already have an MK, and since I can't carry 2 at the same time, and since I would never relegate a Kahr to a safe, I guess your s#!t out of luck.:o Personally if it were mine, it would go to the nearest LGS and be traded off for something I did trust, and that did work consistently. I wouldn't waste safe space, and I wouldn't waste ammunition. I was fortunate enough to be able to purchase an MK that is now going on 18 years old, and I believe that the older models are much better quality than the new. I have read about the patience that many have had with their Kahr's. I would not be one of them. I had some minor issues with mine, but have taken care of them for the most part. If they would have been anything other than minor, the gun would be gone. I don't purchase firearms to fondle, fix, bling, work on, change, etc. I buy them for protection. I give you all of the credit in the world. You have much more patience than I, and it sucks when things like this happen, especially at todays prices. A lesson I learned a long time ago, is to make sure a firearm works to my satisfaction, before I spend a dime on anything for it. I wish you luck:)

Genin

02-28-2017, 04:21 PM

Thanks Beretta

Ed M

02-28-2017, 04:43 PM

Glad I could help. If there is anything else I can do just let me know....;) Get the 13.5 hamner spring if you haven't yet.

I've been contemplating enlarging the factory sight dots and filling them with Glow-on http://www.glow-on.com . That stuff looks cool and it appears better than my stock P-07 and P-09 sights. Plus its cheap. Figure it cant hurt. The C-100 is crazy accurate.

Got the 15 lb Wolff hammer spring, but I may not install it. Trigger in DA isn't too shabby, and SA is awesome!

I tried that Glow on stuff on another gun that now has Trijicons on it. The Glow-on is a very pale green that makes it tough to see in anything but daylight. It does glow like crazy for several minutes when you hit it with a bright led light though. Just drilling out the dots bigger and re-painting them white would be my choice other than replacing the sights entirely.

I'll probably chicken out on the TFX install and have the local 'smith do it. Looks like the only way to get the front sight off is to remove the barrel bushing first. The smith says you don't have to, and I should bring it over if I don't want to attempt it. He does cerakote in house, so if he boogers it, he can fix it.