Is this normal? Full upper slide movement....

[Slugnutty]

I don't do video - so keep my horrible cell phone video in mind - I was dry firing the CW45 today and kept noticing that at the point of the "hammer" going forward, my front sight would drop about 1/4 dot circumference.
...hmmm maybe just me - repeat dry fire 20 or more times... each time at the point of breaking to ignite a round, the front sight drops.

Horrible videos follows

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rABlYE5KEW0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGElxUufSMI&feature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5eFp9UGVSU



I have tried as best as I can to keep the lower as steady as possible - all of the movement appears to be the slide / barrel assembly -

[Bawanna]

How old is that gun. Looks almost like it might have the short rail syndrome that Greg encountered quite awhile back.

Can you see if the front rails are engaged when it's in battery?

[gb6491]

I don't do video - so keep my horrible cell phone video in mind - I was dry firing the CW45 today and kept noticing that at the point of the "hammer" going forward, my front sight would drop about 1/4 dot circumference.
...hmmm maybe just me - repeat dry fire 20 or more times... each time at the point of breaking to ignite a round, the front sight drops.

Horrible videos follows

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rABlYE5KEW0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGElxUufSMI&feature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5eFp9UGVSU



I have tried as best as I can to keep the lower as steady as possible - all of the movement appears to be the slide / barrel assembly -
Your videos are good to go; I see what you asking about.
My first thought is that you might want to give this a read: http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?1612-CW45-%28and-other-poly-45%29-issues-and-fixes&p=306968#post306968
Regards,
Greg

[gb6491]

I see we are of the same mind on this Bawanna, but you are seconds quicker on the draw than an old dog like myself:third:

[Slugnutty]

You guys are awesome, than you for the quick replies.
I fail the pinch test, my rails are visually too short as in the linked second picture.

Up in the air now as what to do. I have been wanting a PM9 or PM45 - so I could use it as trade bait for one of those, but NOT getting it fixed - passing it on to someone else.... just is not me.

[Slugnutty]

...am I a Youtube star now?
I won't forget my friends here while I'm Moving on Up on the East side. .... (sing it with me!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYcqToQzzGY

Thanks again.

[Bawanna]

You need to send that puppy back to the factory. They will replace that frame without question.

The CW is a great gun and in other instances they ran just fine even with the short rail but not good to leave it as is.

I know Greg was quite concerned that they not mess with anything they didn't have to when his went back.

I have a PM45 and if I found myself without it tomorrow I'd probably opt for the CW myself.

Don't put it out to pasture without some serious thought and don't put it out without getting fixed. It's the right thing to do.

[Slugnutty]

Right thing to do.
I'll be contacting Kahr this evening/tomorrow...

[allthumbsplusone]

I had a similar issue wtih my cw45. I picked it up after all the hype on youtube that the only difference between the CW and P series was a couple of MIM parts. That third vidio where the slide and frame move when pushed moves around drove me nuts. To me it was very poor quality control. The steel rail embedded in the fram just barely reached the corresponding channels in the slide. This plus the fact that I had every kind of failure you could think of gave me zero confidence. After a lot of tinkering and tweeking of various spring I was able to get it to shoot 100 rounds without an issue---then I got rid of it. I will never buy a C series again. All my P series work fine although my PM45 needed a new recoil spring assembly to get it to function with all the ammo I used. It worked great on some but not so on others. Now it spits everything out just like my p380 and PM9 have done since day one.

[CPTKILLER]

I have not seen that on my MK9.

[Decado]

Back to Kahr indeed

[Slugnutty]

Well - the deed is done, called Kahr and talked to a nice gentleman
He said it is a known issue with the CW45's - and my S/N puts my manufacture date as Dec 2012
As it is a known issue warranty repair is covered and so is shipping both ways
(Something I did not know that with a repair you can ship a gun from your house and receive it back to your house... I did not know that)

You know, I was thinking about replacing it with a S&W Shield 45, and doing my research the interwebs circled me back to Greg's post:

http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?29603-M-amp-P-Shield-45ACP-size-comparison

And this picture sealed the deal with me keeping the CW45
http://www.kahrtalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=14599&stc=1

Thanks for that thread Greg.

So when I gets it back from Kahr, I'll stop re-purposing old holsters form my no longer owned, SR9c Ruger and get down working with a fine pistol.

[Bawanna]

Unfortunately they will have to replace the frame which is a serialized part. So in your case it will have to go to a dealer and get transferred back to you.

Normally the gun can go from your house and return to your house although it's often times cheaper to have a dealer ship for you since you have to meet Fed Ex or UPS's rules.

Glad you caught it and they will take care of it.

[Slugnutty]

First time sending a gun back of any size or shape (color me unusually lucky) - so the suggestion is to have a dealer do the transfer to Kahr and receive it back from Kahr?
I have a local G/S that I really like working with when I can, I'll talk to them - Kahr provided a shipping label from FedEx with packing instruction in the email to me for the RMA.... no word on using a dealer...
Will call Kahr to verify procedure "just in case"

Thanks for the heads up though.

[gb6491]

If you ship it directly to them, Kahr could send the replacement directly to you: https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/ruling/1974-20-disposition-replacement-firearms/download
However, we seen that this has not been Kahr's internal policy so I think you are wise to verify with them.
Regards,
Greg


Glad that other thread was of use to you:)

[Bawanna]

You don't need the dealer to send. Kahr is providing the label so no issue at all. Just package it up, slap the label on and off it goes.

When it comes back it is like a new gun and needs to be sent to a dealer. So you can use your local G/S to receive it and since you like working with them they probably won't hurt you too bad on the transfer fees.

I have a couple locals that charge me very little or sometimes nothing in exchange for my support and sending them good customers.

[Slugnutty]

You don't need the dealer to send. Kahr is providing the label so no issue at all. Just package it up, slap the label on and off it goes.

When it comes back it is like a new gun and needs to be sent to a dealer. So you can use your local G/S to receive it and since you like working with them they probably won't hurt you too bad on the transfer fees.

I have a couple locals that charge me very little or sometimes nothing in exchange for my support and sending them good customers.

Nailed it Bwanna - it arrives today but as Kahr did (obviously) replace the lower and serialized part they needed my local GS to receive it.
If Dave charges me anything it is $20 - can't wait to get it back and hopefully get out this weekend to run it through the paces.

[Slugnutty]

I love the new Kahr smell
(See what I did there?)

They replaced the full pistol - with a brandy new 2017 S/N
MAN is the slide tight... as in T-I-G-H-T the recoil spring is... Superman strong, NOW I see why they say soot for 200+ rounds to test/break in the pistol.

But hey, way to go Kahr, I was not the original purchaser (pawn shop queen) Had an issue, called Kahr, they sent me a new in box like you would get from a new purchase in a gun store, Black box, manuals, registration cards, swag catalog the whole 9 yards.
Thanks Kahr.