indoor gun range comments

[f44life]

Well i have recently been shooting indoors at the good old paper silohuettes. This is more of me just rambling about my thoughts.

Sometimes i fear when other people come into shoot. A guy brought a couple girls in that never shot before and he was giving them lessons on how to shoot a handgun. Then she shot a few and said is this empty...i could visualize her holding it sideways towards my way through the wall....People like that kind of scare me.
Do you ever feel like this?

Im there to have a good time...the severel times i went everybody shoots slow as like they had a sniper rifle and were sighting in for a 1000yard shot. I like to shoot accurate but in a defense situation ( i know indoor shooting does no justice other then accuracy) chances are you gunna point and shoot as fast as you can to neutrilize the threat. I pop of the rounds like mad and shoot decently, of course no tight groups but the wounds would be lethal. I try to one in the head and the rest in the chest or vice versa. Whats your routine?

I seen a kid post a vid of indoor shooting a glock one handed. I ask do you think your ganster? He responds um pratice shooting one handed just in case i get shot in the arm. I said chances are you would be dead or the fight would be over before you would have to shoot one handed or armed.... Then i said why dont you hop on one leg and use one hand to shoot because you got shot in the arm and leg....Honestly is this bologna for practicing defense situations?

If you dont care to answer thats fine. I just felt like rambling. If you answer your comments are appreciated!

[Bawanna]

Every thing you say makes sense. My alert level goes up alot when people I suspect might be unsafe show up or are already there. I'm also not the least afraid to tell people I feel are acting unsafe to mend their ways. The ranges I visit have cameras on and usually the range guys will have a chat if needed but they also aren't breathing down your neck either which is good for me. One of the first things I tell kids or new shooters that I may take along is respect for your elders is right out the window. If you see an old guy being unsafe you let the world and him know or tell me and I'll tell him. Many times they aren't deliberately being unsafe, they are just not paying attention.

I do occasionally shoot one handed and weak handed, probably not enough or as much as I should but one never knows. I do vary speeds but generally don't blast away as fast as I can. I try to cut guys that are practicing for like 22 matches and spend alot of time aiming and aligning by taking a break or putting the big bang toys aside till they get some time. Many others don't so not sure I'm helping but I feel good about trying anyhow.

[JustinN]

The indoor ranges around here have a rule on the amount of seconds between shots...I believe it is 2. I generally would shoot faster than that, but I abide by their rules, but I also shoot tight groups when shooting quickly (if my group starts to spread, I slow down).

I know what you mean about some people having bad habits or being scary, but in certain situations they have to learn sometime. Unless I actually see them lasering me or something I try not to worry about it too much. If I see them do something like that, I will say something to them.

As far as 1 handed shooting goes, I can't speak for the video (maybe he was holding it sideways or some trash like that) but in the real world, much of my police training was done with shooting from one hand. There are many reasons I found it good to learn to use one hand, whether using cover, shooting off handed because of cover, holding a flashlight, holding a door closed, etc. Again, that's not saying the kid wasn't doing it to be gangsta, but there is still valid practice in learning to shoot from different hands, with and without support, different positions etc. It would be nice if all tactical situations were in a position in which you could shoot strong side, fully supported, on a stationary bad guy giving you profile at 10 yards, but usually that doesn't happen....

[ripley16]

One handed shooting should be a part of everyone's shooting experience. There can easily be times when that would be called for, such as behind cover.

I try to limit my fast shooting to that speed at which I actually hit what I'm aiming at, and that will depend on the target, the gun and the distance. Even then I try to limit my rounds to two and no more than three. I don't want to "learn" to empty my gun.

I've been swept by loaded guns at my usual range by inexperienced shooters. On the other hand, I once had to reprimand a bunch of LEOs who were horsing around, showing off a bit too much. Very poor examples. It always pays to be alert. Speaking up may save your life.

[f44life]

Why would they have a limit or rate of fire? Ive only bin to one so is this rule at alot of places? I dont pop off rounds real fast maybe every 3rd clip.

One handed has its advantages if your police or swat...but as a armed citizen i dont see it as something i should practice....because ill have both hands free or make them free if my life depends on it. But if thats what floats your boat then cool.

Thanks for the posts so far.

[jocko]

My opinion: Practice anyway that makes you feel you might be more prepared in a defense situation.

I do not practice hardly ever in weak hand position. I am so left hand oriented that my right hand and arm are just there to balance me out. I put no credibility to shooting right handed, so there fore I just don't. I really enjoy shooting but definitelty for me not right handed. It also doesn't bother me squat either that I am not proficient in weak hand shooting. At my age, I don't get to paranoid about some things..

[JustinN]

They have a limit to make sure people control their firing (keeping things safer).

I still think everyone should learn to shoot one handed. You can't ALWAYS make that other hand free. What do you do if you think someone has broken into your house at 3am? Do you now have any sort of flashlight?

I seldom practice weak side shooting anymore, but I still shoot one handed, just make sure I don't become reliant on my off hand in order to function...but then I also like to try different shooting positions, etc.

[Longitude Zero]

As long as the manner in which the handle the weapon does not endanger me or others the shooting technique they use is really none of my business. If they want to shoot two handed, one handed that is fine with me as I fire about 1/4 of my rounds one handed, both dominant and non-dominant.

[oldtex]

I seen a kid post a vid of indoor shooting a glock one handed. I ask do you think your ganster? He responds um pratice shooting one handed just in case i get shot in the arm. I said chances are you would be dead or the fight would be over before you would have to shoot one handed or armed.... Then i said why dont you hop on one leg and use one hand to shoot because you got shot in the arm and leg....Honestly is this bologna for practicing defense situations?



IMO if you carry a handgun for protection it's unwise to neglect weak hand shooting and strong hand shooting, as well as two-hand shooting. We simply don't know what unforseen things will happen in a lethal encounter. The fight could start with the bad guy breaking your arm with a baseball bat or tire iron, or you might have to use one hand to usher a loved one out of the line of fire while engaging the threat with your other hand.

[jocko]

I did not say that one should not shoot weak handed, just said that I don't. to many scenarios IMO. I think ryoung might have a point there to. Left handed people don't live as long as right hande people, but oh my what a life we do live though, doesn't compare to that other side...

[f44life]

IMO if you carry a handgun for protection it's unwise to neglect weak hand shooting and strong hand shooting, as well as two-hand shooting. We simply don't know what unforseen things will happen in a lethal encounter. The fight could start with the bad guy breaking your arm with a baseball bat or tire iron, or you might have to use one hand to usher a loved one out of the line of fire while engaging the threat with your other hand.

true, but if your observant enough a bat or crowbar you should already see coming and if he does get ya at point blank one handed i hope i can hit em.

If someone broke in my house, i wouldnt be carrying a flashlight because that would give up my position.

If i had to honestly prepare for a defense situation and feel comfortable... i would play paintball everyday...to chuck norris rolls and shoot...do a running slide shot...it could be endless.:blah::40:

You all have valid points. What is your shooting routine? all in the chest or what?

[OldLincoln]

Heck Jocko doesn't need to practice at all after putting 30,000 rounds through his PM9 in 4 weeks. In fact he's carried for 89 years and hasn't come close to needing his gun, wait, that's not true. He was trying to pop a door hing pin out once and used the barrel as a hammer. He only carries because he tends to lean to the right when he walks and the extra weight balances him out.

Signed

Bawanna

PS We need a roast Jocko thread!

[JustinN]

Well, a flash light, if used properly will not give up your position. It can be useful in disorienting a "bad guy" as well as ensuring that you are shooting what you think you are shooting. I wouldn't run around with one lit up, but I would also never shoot someone in complete darkness without identifying my target....it only takes a split second of light on/trigger, or light on/i'm so glad I didn't just shoot my wife/girlfriend/child/drunk neighbor/etc....

[OldLincoln]

Sorry about that Jocko, I tickle myself now and then and can't help it!

What I was going to add the the discussion is I also practice for SD. I can't draw and shoot in the range, but I hold it at ready with one hand then raise and shoot a double tap in COM and head.

I use 4 zeroxed 6" targets taped onto a large target with one about 6" above another on the left and right sides. So after I'm shooting OK, I'll take on 2 bad guys with double taps.

The range posts no rapid fire, but they see me dry practicing my bring up and point again and again and seem to appreciate my needs. I take my time but don't shoot but about 50 - 75 rounds. If I'm doing well not that many.

If I can go tomorrow however, I'm taking both guns to practice. It will be my first practice with dad's 45 so I'm looking forward to it and will put a few downrange.

[Jeremiah/Az]

I saw a video of a teenage boy shooting a .40 as fast as he could. The recoil bounced his off hand loose & out in front of the muzzle. He shot himself in the back of his off hand.

[Bawanna]

Heck Jocko doesn't need to practice at all after putting 30,000 rounds through his PM9 in 4 weeks. In fact he's carried for 89 years and hasn't come close to needing his gun, wait, that's not true. He was trying to pop a door hing pin out once and used the barrel as a hammer. He only carries because he tends to lean to the right when he walks and the extra weight balances him out.

Signed

Bawanna

PS We need a roast Jocko thread!

I thought every thread was a roast Jocko thread! When did that change.

ryoung

I concur with justin on light. Blind the bad guy, positive ID your bad guy. My nightstand gun is a Glock 21 with an X300 surefire. I think the light alone will incapacitate a bad guy if shined in his eyes. I keep a large light with a strobe mode in the van, that really sends ya back to the Travolta disco days and who wants to go there?

[dirty_sanchez]

In addition to shooting with the weak hand, those of us with retention holsters must be proficient at drawing a gun with the weak hand.

Dirty

[Bawanna]

In addition to shooting with the weak hand, those of us with retention holsters must be proficient at drawing a gun with the weak hand.

Dirty

Excellent point on retention holsters. With cop holsters these days you gotta do everything right and hold your mouth right or the gun ain't coming out. Try to rush one thing ahead of the other and everything jams up.
For me I like open tops and would really like a spring so when I go for the draw the gun meets me half way. (in my dreams)
I test the officers around the office all the time. We have a brick building and there's lots of places where an AD would not do harm, although there'd be lots of questions. I just point to the wall and say bad guy draw!. Gets them to practice and note if they are having troubles. Most surprisingly are pretty quick.

[f44life]

I saw a video of a teenage boy shooting a .40 as fast as he could. The recoil bounced his off hand loose & out in front of the muzzle. He shot himself in the back of his off hand.
:eek: a sweaty palm and pm9 could do that too

[deadhead1971]

Regarding indoor ranges, "they" get real mad if you sneak one of these in.

East Coast Firearms - AK-47 & AR-15 Rifles, Uzi, MP5 - Assault Weapons Specialist (http://www.eastcoastfirearms.com/sub/page.asp?page_id=60)

the indoor ranges around here will NOT allow you to use this indoors :) They claim their see-through glass is not designed for these rounds. :)

[joshh]

i have left the range before because i didnt feel comfortable with the people there. few years back my uncle was accidentally shot in gut by a friend on airforce base range while target shooting .22's. he barely survived after many hours of surgeries. it makes me that much more aware of the people around me. some people dont practice safe gun handling. after a guy (w/ parkinsons) showed me the "trigger job" on his unloaded glock, he chambered a round with his teenage nephew standing in front of barrel. i couldnt believe it but didnt say anything to him because he is a "rangemaster" at the club & a vietnam vet & an extremely good shot despite his disease that causes him to shake violently, but i blew my mind.

[ripley16]

Regarding indoor ranges, "they" get real mad if you sneak one of these in. the indoor ranges around here will NOT allow you to use this indoors :) They claim their see-through glass is not designed for these rounds. :)



My indoor range won't allow any rifle rounds or the 5.7x28. The rifle rounds because his backstop isn't designed for them and the 5.7 rounds because he claims it generates too much splash back.

FN occationally brings guns in to 'shoot and tell" at my range, as one of their offices is just down the street. I'm assuming he knows what his range will or will not handle. Better safe than sorry.

[rholmes69]

A local range here used to have a 3 second rule between shots, but they said it was to keep barrels cool and from overheating. Yeah, right. You would of had to have a full auto and absolutely pouring rounds through it for that to happen. My current range I attend has no rule on how fast you can shoot, as long as you prove to be proficient. They watch you on the cameras for about the first 4-5 clips. As long as you are "stable" you can do as you please. I always take my P22 with me to the range. I usually throw 100 rounds down with the pm9 and then 300-400 with the p22. Just for giggles, I always do a few clips with the p22 as fast as I can pull the trigger. Just leaves you with a big grin.

That being said, they do have thick metal plates as the station dividers. I haven't seen anyone go to crazy there, although one guy almost lost it with a street sweeper. That was a sight to see...

[jlottmc]

Most indoor ranges here have a 1 second between shots rule. They claim it's to keep folks' weapons under control. There are a couple that have indoor rifle ranges, but mostly they're pistol, and limited to 44 mag or less. What few out door ranges there are here are also saying no FMJ, the pistol ranges are doing it more too now. The indoor ranges also won't let you pick up your brass in many cases, not even sweep it up.

[Bawanna]

Many of ours are no longer allowing lead bullets or steel. They check the ammo with a magnet. No time rules that I'm aware of. Some state no rapid fire but they don't seem to care.
I would not patronize a range that didn't allow me to pick up my brass. I prefer ranges where I can pick up everyones brass. I like to leave with more than I came with whenever possible.
They make good money selling that used brass that folks leave behind but not from me.
I can't imagine an outdoor range not allowing FMJ bullets especially in rifles. That would be expensive shooting.
All our rifle ranges that I'm aware of insist on 1 round loaded at a time. That totally sucks. I got a sled for my Garand to load just one but I never get to experience the ping of the clip flying out. That's just wrong to deprive me of that. Guess it's so our barrels don't get hot or out of control or maybe they just want to be bossy and control freaks. That's probably it. And me with my total lack of respect for authority.

[f44life]

hope this doesnt happen at anyones range

YouTube - Woman Kills Son, Self at Gun Range (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vPnMbLr5nc&feature=related)

[wyntrout]

Steel jacketed ammo is like incendiary ammo when it strikes concrete.

I was at the range/Gun Store I use about a month ago. I noticed on the door going into the firing range that RWS Sport something was banned form use due to it being a FIRE hazard. A few lanes tp the left and against the wall someone was firing something that seemed pyrotechnic or to be some kind of incendiary. Every time it struck the floor there was a spectacular spray of sparks, easily ten feet or more in all directions. I figured that must be what they were talking about.
This past range trip I talked to the owner about that and sure enough, that was steel-jacketd bullets and that was the result that I saw. That IS dangerous sh*t!
Wynn

[ripley16]

Potential fire hazzard at the range is no joke. Northern Virginia lost one of our great gun shop/ranges, Shooters Paradise, to a fire a couple years ago that originated in the range.

The RWS Sport Line ammo I have is not steel jacketed. Maybe there is a caliber or type that is, but the 9mm 124 gr. FMJ ammo I purchased from Walmart a while ago is copper jacketed lead.

I do have a case of steel jacketed S&B .32acp and some in the Wolf line is steel jacketed.

[RogerP9fan]

That's why there should always be at least one range officer present and actually watching at all times enforcing the most important rule. KEEP THAT THING POINTED DOWN RANGE AT ALL TIMES. LOADED OR UNLOADED.

[Bawanna]

Couldn't have stopped that one. That was not unsafe gun handling. She knew what she wanted to do and she just did it. The guy standing next to here couldn't have stopped it. Maybe knocked her aside or grabbed the gun but if he shot her he'd be in the big house for life for shooting a mental midget.
I really don't care for rangemasters breathing down my neck and scrutinizing every move I make. I'm safe, I'm aware of whats around me, I usually share a lane with someone so one can shoot and the other watch 6.
We had a incident many years ago at an indoor range, a guy was letting his petite novist shooter girlfriend shoot his macho man 44 mag. She shot once, the recoil put the gun clean over her shoulder pointing behind her and she tensed and shot the guy behind her. (Don't recall if it was the boyfriend or a bystander walking by.) I wasn't there, thank goodness but of course the newspapers played with that one a long time. I feel sorry for her, she should not have been put anywhere near that situation.

[tv_racin_fan]

The macho man thing gets me, you see em on youtube where some tool gave his petite GF a 50 cal to shoot for her first time. My wife would shoot one of those things and then shoot me for giving it to her.

Ok seriously, I think that practice is damn foolish and more harmful than not, surely not conducive to getting newbs interested in shooting.

Took my wife to the range one time. I tried to hand her my 357 magnum loaded with 38's. She resisted the first time but I offered it again and she took it. One cylinder of 38's and she said that was not bad at all so I reloaded with 357's and handed it back. She said it doesn't kick as much as her 9mm (she shoots a Kahr CW9 and the 357 is a Ruger GP100 6" with full underlug) I explained that was due to the weight/balance of the revolver. Now I have a hard time keeping her in range fodder for the 357...

Ok back on topic sort of. The wife was not real happy with her shooting, she was all over the paper plate. I told her to look at the target again, focus on where the target hanger connects to the rail, look at the ceiling, the wall, even that particular partition. SHE was hitting the paper, ok not in one nice neat tight little group BUT on the paper where others had hit everything. She felt much better ( had the same thing with a daughter). The trigger pull on the CW gets her, she seems to be just fine up until the time the trigger finally breaks and just at that instant she pulls offline (generally down and to the left) I tell her to forget trying to aim so much and pull slowly, just point and pull as if she means it and her shooting improves. It aint a target gun it's a self defence gun...

[OldLincoln]

Put lots (for me) of ammo thru today making sure both guns handled the HST loads ok. The range guy checking me in went through my ammo as usual and did the magnet on the L&B stuff. I guess since I had so much different kinds of ammo, he knew I'd be there a while and put me way down from the others. That or maybe he was concerned I'd be dangerous.

He gave me a free target (the 5 little bulls-eyes) and off I went. Thankfully they had the a/c working today so it was downright pleasant.

[O'Dell]

Put lots (for me) of ammo thru today making sure both guns handled the HST loads ok. The range guy checking me in went through my ammo as usual and did the magnet on the L&B stuff. I guess since I had so much different kinds of ammo, he knew I'd be there a while and put me way down from the others. That or maybe he was concerned I'd be dangerous.

He gave me a free target (the 5 little bulls-eyes) and off I went. Thankfully they had the a/c working today so it was downright pleasant.

You're lucky your range has A/C - mine doesn't. With the heat wave we've had this summer, I haven't shot in three weeks, and that was just to try out the new S&W 4586. A concrete box 75x30 feet with no A/C and no ventilation is like a pizza oven with 95 degree temps and high humidity.

[mr surveyor]

So far I have refrained from throwing my useless opinions into this discussion, but I suppose it's time I hike my leg and mark the thread:D

Like Bawanna, I absolutely HATE panty waist authority (partly the resaon I refuse to fly commercial), so I have no desire to patronize any "public" indoor range. I think there are a couple of them within 25-30 miles of me, but I'm fortunate enough to have an excellent "members only" outdoor range (rifle ranges, pistol ranges, shotgun ranges) within 10 minutes. We do have RO's around on weekends and during "events", but for the most part each member is expected to know and observe range safety rules. We have ranges that allow drawing from concealement, ranges for full auto, and the only ammo that is prohibited is tracer/incendiary rounds. It's a wonderful life not living in, or near a big city.

And, as for the discussion on shooting "one handed"..... I can't believe there's even any debate. Most of us are either married, have children, or some other similar situation. In the event of an "attack", I would prefer that thjose with me (that are unarmed) be on my weak side (in my case left side) which would allow me to use my left hand/arm to direct them behind me or to other cover, allowing me to draw and operate the firearm storng hand only. I may practice punching holes in paper with both hands most of the time, but I always try to end a range session with my carry weapon shooting weak hand only, and finishing strong hand only. Whether it be muscle memory, psychological or whatever, you tend to "remember" the last physical action the best. Drilling a bit with strong hand only will give you some basic ability.

I may just be getting old, although I don't remember the invention of red dirt like Jocko, Bawanna and Wynn, but I recognize the fact that arthritis, bursitis or the other "itis brothers" (as well as a few other certain to come physical attributes) will certainly affect your ability to achieve that perfect two handed squared off shooting stance (which ever is the most popular of the day). Learning to shoot one handed proficiently could be paramount to future survival. Like Jocko, my dominant hand is what I can use best.... in my case it's the right (right as in direction and proper :D), but I recognize now that the constant abuse to my right hand for 57 years is taking it's toll. The first knuckle of my right index finger has developed a bit of arthritis of the swollen and painful kind that has given me concern for the last 3-4 years. I recognize, just from that, there's no guarantee that I will always have the use of any of my body parts. For that matter, both of my knees are crap (and have been since age 12), but I've learned to work around the problems.

Yes, I'm rambling..... but I've earned the right:)


surv

p.s. not sure If anything I said makes sense.... been weed eating for three hours and have another hour to go before I can mow for three hours... suffering from temporary (I hope) dain bramage

[jocko]

If I could shoot with any accuracy or even decent shooting form with my weak hand, I would indeed do it. When I say I look like a damn little girl shooting weak hand, I ain't lying. It just is what it is with me. My right arm balances my body out, thats about it. I could not wipe my a-s with any accuracy with my weak hand. Sad as it may be, I hope that day never comes when I have to rely on my right hand to save my life or my a-s.

You dn'thave to be old surveyor to feel old as u well know. Some people's body seems to go down hill faster than others.

My weakness is my back more than anything. changing big truck tires in our business the old fashion way for 40+ years has just about ruined any chances that I have to even do a running shoot and crouch type drill.. course 7 weeks of intense radiation in my back area certainly has left it's scares to. Not complaing mind you, I love to shoot, I shoot strong hand only, mainly two hands. I'm guilty of not even doing alot of strong hand only shooting. I am not even near any of these IDPA or whatever ranges to even get a good look at how it is done etc. I like surveyor, have my private ragne to go to that is locked gate and in my 3 years of joining this organization, I have yet to come across another shooter there when I was there. Needless to say it is well keep and used seldom. Although being retired gives me the chance to go through the week and to avoid the weekends which I am sure it is used more. I practice 10 yards and under, normally I pull up a chair and just sit and have a good shoot, but if other shooters came, I wolud have to leave for most are long gun shooters and I would be in their line of fire.

wow, hows that for rambling?

[O'Dell]

The public range I use has no supervision whatsoever. That why I usually go there just after lunch when I'm the only person on the range. It's a lot quieter then too.

As far as one handed shooting is concerned, I learned to shoot a pistol at a Marine range with a Colt 45 in 1960. The rule was, weak hand in your hip pocket. I did all my shooting and qualifying one handed. I don't think I started using a two handed grip until sometime in the late eighties.

[Bawanna]

I'm laughing so hard my sides hurt. You guys are writing my biography without my permission. I think I'm the poster child for broken down. No whining mind ya either. I had a good run until things started heading for the comode. My little strong hand versus table saw incident first week of january is still having unpleasant effects, sound's like one of the itis's Mr. Surveyor refers to and I only hope it's slow in taking it's course. I now see how my dear departed granddaddy could anticipate the weather. I thought he was BS ing but I see it now.
Like Jocko in a mirror my left side stuff is only to balance out the pretty picture. Nothing on that side is of much use. I do of course use my left hand for a support hand so guess it's a dual purpose thing.
My wife and those around me know to stay clear of my right side and while I can't even run the joy stick on my chair with my left hand I have worked at reaching accross and moving while shooting strong handed. Not good, and not fun but I get r dun.
I'm trying to recall the invention of red dirt but it's pretty vague, maybe I wasn't here that day?
My theory is if you want to do something bad enough, you'll find a way. I find myself spending more and more time contemplating finding that way but you set your head to it and you'll get it.

[wyntrout]

The public range I use has no supervision whatsoever. That why I usually go there just after lunch when I'm the only person on the range. It's a lot quieter then too.

As far as one handed shooting is concerned, I learned to shoot a pistol at a Marine range with a Colt 45 in 1960. The rule was, weak hand in your hip pocket. I did all my shooting and qualifying one handed. I don't think I started using a two handed grip until sometime in the late eighties.

No supervision... :eek: That sounds like the gravel pit I frequented in college... where I went to practice "quick-draw" shooting. I took a buddy there once and impressed him with my shooting in just one shot... that's all it took to put one through my thigh. Dang that Clint Eastwood and his "Fist Full of Dollars", and all. At least it was the .22 and not the High Power.:eek:

That's a good idea not being there with a bunch of other people... like children without supervision! double:eek:

Some of the ranges the guys here on the forum go to are run by "naz!s" and I can't handle that either. I do wish the range I frequent had air conditioning and heat.:D

Hey, there are limits here that suck... only 8 smilies or 5,000 characters in a single post or email... pretty limiting. I just had to first drop the quoted message and then cut my email into two parts: 1 and deux.
Wynn:D

[f44life]

mine is non supervised airconditioned....unless you count cameras as supervision....never got in trouble for popping off rounds real fast...we have an auto side and a manual side....im addicted going to the range. I try to shoot 100rds a week.

[O'Dell]

No supervision... :eek: That sounds like the gravel pit I frequented in college... where I went to practice "quick-draw" shooting. I took a buddy there once and impressed him with my shooting in just one shot... that's all it took to put one through my thigh. Dang that Clint Eastwood and his "Fist Full of Dollars", and all. At least it was the .22 and not the High Power.:eek:

That's a good idea not being there with a bunch of other people... like children without supervision! double:eek:

Some of the ranges the guys here go to are run by "naz!s" and I can't handle that either. I do wish the range I frequent had air conditioning and heat.:D

Hey, there are limits here that suck... only 8 smilies or 5,000 characters in a single post or email... pretty limiting. I just had to first drop the quoted message and then cut my email into two parts: 1 and deux.
Wynn:D
Wynn

Believe it or not, but this completely unsupervised range is part of one of the largest and most popular gun stores in the area. Honestly, I've never noticed any blatant safety no-no's, but a lot of the users are cops. However, my lawyer instincts tell me that this is a lawsuit waiting to happen.

[wyntrout]

You know... that doesn't seem like much, but 52x100x.30= $1,560. That's using only 30 cents a round or $15.00, which is pretty cheap. Our hobby sure isn't cheap.
Three trips in 5 days to the range testing my PM45, I shot over 500 rounds and the cheapest ammo is just over $17 a box... the Federal 230-gr at WalMart... $15.95 + tax.
So just call that 10 boxes at $17 a box (some was more than that) comes to $170+.
I did punch a lot of holes in paper targets, though. That was mostly fun.
I have looked at my online orders and credit card bills to add ammo and accessories up... mind boggling, especially if I shot it all up pretty quickly. I'm saving some for just in case TSHTF, though. Bullets will be more valuable than paper money.
That's one of the reasons I give my wife... really!
Wynn:D

[f44life]

10$box for federel 9mm at walmart and my wife works there so i get a discount. So 20$ bucks a week, so pretty much the same habit as if i was a smoker. In this case im training to save my life instead of destroy it.

[wyntrout]

That is about the cheapest deal for 9mm. I was just thinking of the OTHER calibers, I guess. That's a LOT cheaper than smoking... though the health costs are debatable with lead and smoke related carcinogens. I think you said your range is air conditioned... that should help a bit with the lead.:D
Wynn:)

[Rotorflyr]

Most of the indoor ranges near me (4 within a reasonable drive time) have posted rules about rapid fire (usually the typical 2sec between shots) however I can think of only one that really enforces it (and a second that seems to enforce it if you aren't a "true regular")

I only occasionally shoot at either of those two, so for me it isn't an issue.

Only one of the ranges will allow you to draw from a holster, but only at specified times.

During my range time, I mix it up, I will practice all COM, 2 COM-1 Head.

As for shooting 1 handed (weak or strong side) IMO it's a skill worth having as you never know what may happen, could even be something simple as a slip and fall in the winter with the end result being a broken arm/wrist...

I seldom practice shooting one handed (either weak or strong), but after my last range trip, realized it's something I need to do more of, as I couldn't hit the wall of a barn shooting from inside it! :D :w00t: :D

Having said that, I'll still more then likely mostly practice two handed...;)

[getsome]

I think I know the range O'Dell is talking about in Gwinnett county just off Peachtree Industrial Blvd in Norcross...I was there yesterday with my son and in the sales area it was nice and cool but once inside the range there was no a/c and here in Georgia it was 96 outside yesterday and in that range I'm sure it was well over 100+ with only a small fan blowing hot air around...After about 45 minutes I was soaked and feeling a little headed so we packed up and left...The other bad deal for me was that I couldn't hit the side of a barn with a hand grenade but my son had his best day ever and was killing targets like crazy so I cant use the heat as an excuse cause Jr. was hot too and we were both shooting the same guns but he is 15 and I'm 52 so I'll use that and I'm sticking to it....This range will not see my business until they can provide a safe enviornment to enjoy shooting in because passing out from heat stroke with a loaded pistol in your hand just isn't safe....

[O'Dell]

I think I know the range O'Dell is talking about in Gwinnett county just off Peachtree Industrial Blvd in Norcross...I was there yesterday with my son and in the sales area it was nice and cool but once inside the range there was no a/c and here in Georgia it was 96 outside yesterday and in that range I'm sure it was well over 100+ with only a small fan blowing hot air around...After about 45 minutes I was soaked and feeling a little headed so we packed up and left...The other bad deal for me was that I couldn't hit the side of a barn with a hand grenade but my son had his best day ever and was killing targets like crazy so I cant use the heat as an excuse cause Jr. was hot too and we were both shooting the same guns but he is 15 and I'm 52 so I'll use that and I'm sticking to it....This range will not see my business until they can provide a safe enviornment to enjoy shooting in because passing out from heat stroke with a loaded pistol in your hand just isn't safe....

Actually, I was talking about BullsEye Gun and Range in downtown Lawrenceville. It's only about five minutes from my house, but in this weather is not viable. We don't even have a fan!

I spoke to Randy, the owner about it, but his rather gruff comment was, that it had a good heater. Great for January, but not much use right now. The gun store itself is very good, with a reasonable selection and good prices. Other than the few I've bought on line, every gun in my collection came from here.

[getsome]

Hi O'Dell, I know where that is but have never shot there...I was talking about The American Clasic Marksman which would be a nice range if wasn't an oven in there... It is supervised and they will let you bring in your own targets and ammo plus they also will let you pick up your brass which is nice...I asked the owner about the a/c which I know they have and he said they don't turn it on until late November so I guess I won't be going back there until the late fall...There is a range in Lilburn called The Master Gunman but don't bother going there as it's small and they don't allow you to bring in ammo and targets and charge you a premium for their stuff....There is a range called Bulls Eye Marksman Club in ( I will have to spell this out as it got censored but yes boys and girls there really is a city in Georgia that starts with a C and ends with a G and between are the letters UMMIN, Just ask Dietrich)...Haven't been there yet but I want to try them out...Their web site looks like a nice place and if they have a/c it will be worth the extra few miles to be able to shoot in this brutal Ga heat....They also host IDPA matchs on Wed and Sunday night starting at 6:00 pm and I want to check that out as I have never seen or done it before...If it's a nice place I will PM you.....:cool:

[O'Dell]

Hi O'Dell, I know where that is but have never shot there...I was talking about The American Clasic Marksman which would be a nice range if wasn't an oven in there... It is supervised and they will let you bring in your own targets and ammo plus they also will let you pick up your brass which is nice...I asked the owner about the a/c which I know they have and he said they don't turn it on until late November so I guess I won't be going back there until the late fall...There is a range in Lilburn called The Master Gunman but don't bother going there as it's small and they don't allow you to bring in ammo and targets and charge you a premium for their stuff....There is a range called Bulls Eye Marksman Club in ( I will have to spell this out as it got censored but yes boys and girls there really is a city in Georgia that starts with a C and ends with a G and between are the letters UMMIN, Just ask Dietrich)...Haven't been there yet but I want to try them out...Their web site looks like a nice place and if they have a/c it will be worth the extra few miles to be able to shoot in this brutal Ga heat....They also host IDPA matchs on Wed and Sunday night starting at 6:00 pm and I want to check that out as I have never seen or done it before...If it's a nice place I will PM you.....:cool:

I've seen American, but I've never been there. As far as I know BullsEye doesn't restrict anything. I always bring my own ammo, because their target 45 is Atlanta Arms and it is dirty. I get my targets there because they're cheap and it's convenient. I sweep up my brass, but don't take it with me.

I used to go to Shooter's at Gwinnett Place Mall, but they closed years ago.

[Popeye]

Sometimes I get a little nervous when others are around but if there acting in a mature manner it's not a problem. If they shoot one handed, two handed, strong or weak or how long it takes between shots really is no concern or business of mine. They are there for there good time at the range and I'm there for mine. Finding fault and being to judgemental of others just ruins my good time. Who knows maybe what I do they don't like, but that's on them and doesn't concern me in the least.