Update! PM45 magazines fail & Boomer's going back again! Back home 11 Jan!

[wyntrout]

I guess I kind of hijacked the other thread:

http://kahrtalk.com/pm-series-pistols/2952-pm-45-mag-help-2.html#post32379

My PM45 magazines failed and they and the gun are going back to Kahr. I think that my pistol needs exorcism... at least 4 of the 6 magazines... 3 different kinds, have metal-fatigue-like failures on the top rear edges of the magazine tubes and the top part is ripping away from the back **. See the pictures.
This note will accompany the emails and pictures to Kahr CS:

Dang, on closer inspection, one of the newest, a 7-round extended grip has the crack on one side. Its mate bought at the same time, seems okay, but…. And the 7-shot TP magazine seems to have a crack starting next to the weld on the top rear. I guess I might as well send them all:
2x 5-shot (K525) **
1x 6-shot (K625G) extended grip **
1x 7-shot (K725) and
2x 7-shot extended grip (K725G)(New April 2+) One of these **
The first four magazines I’ve had since I got the PM45.

Wynn :(

[Bawanna]

This is sad news Wynn. I'm really curious what they are gonna have to say about those mags. I've never seen that before even on junk magazines. Perplexed why all yours are going at the same time. I hate to lay blame to the gun without a jury trial but it's looking like that might be the case.

[wyntrout]

It has to be the gun. With these three or four different .45 magazines failing, I don't see anything else that could cause this.
I haven't fired any +P or anything heavier than standard pressure commercial ammo.

I figured that I fired 2,007 rounds to date and Kahr CS has fired quite a few, too, but that's not what I would call a heavily used pistol.

I hope they can sort it out and fix it... or replace it. I should get all new magazines as well.

I'm quite happy with the p380 and the PM9 is getting a little use, too,

Trijicon has my K9 slide and I haven't heard from them, yet. They say to allow 2 to 4 weeks for re-lamping. I still have to do something about my S&W 645's DEAD NS. Trijicon gave me a number for another company for those. They only work on their own.

Well, I had better try to get some sleep. We're getting up early (05:30) to take Wifey to the airport. She's going to visit her folks in Southwestern Colorado. I guess I can goof off more than normal... if that's possible.:rolleyes:

Wynn:D

[jocko]

when I got my P380 back yonder, one of my magazines split out the back and I had seen photos on the AR-15 kahr forum of the same thing with the P380 also. My bet would be back magazines, metal fatigue. Kahr doesn't make um,so more than likely they wouldnot know they are bad until shooters like wyn put some rounds through them. I can't see how the gun itself can be casing it,. Hopefully they will tell wyn what they did, but IMO they will probalbty just replace the magazines, test fire and return.

[wyntrout]

I hadn't been keeping up with the rounds fired on any of my guns, but I checked every kind of information I had and came up with 2,007 rounds fired by me since I got Boomer the first week of March. I'm sure that Kahr CS put a few hundred through it as well. They had it three times and I'm awaiting pickup by FedEx now for the 4th time. I've done a lot of testing and breaking in. If they change anything, I'll have to do more testing! As long as it shoots, that's not a bad thing.

It's just really odd that 4 of my 6 Kahr magazines are splitting and one of the others seems to have a possible split alongside the weld on the top back. At about $35 a pop for magazines, that gets pretty expensive. I think I'll have to invest in some Wilson magazines for range use, at least, and save the Kahrs for carry. That's if I get Boomer back with a "Tested OK" and nothing changed.

If I split the rounds fired sort of evenly among the 6 magazines, and not count the Brolin Arms one, these things are lasting maybe 400 rounds?? All of you PM45 shooters ought to examine and see how your magazines are doing. It would be nice to know if anyone else is having this problem.

Maybe I'll change the name to "MagEater." Or Boomer the MagEater. :D

I'm so glad my baby Kahr is working fine now... not a hiccup the last two range trips since it came back from Kahr.

I checked on FlightAware and my wife is at 36,000 feet and flying westerly along the northern border of Louisiana at about 533 mph, on her way to Phoenix, enroute to SW Colorado. She's going to have just over 3 hours in Phoenix and her sister is going to meet and visit with her for a few hours.

I have 5 days and nights to do less than usual, which is hard to imagine. :D

There's a lot that I should do, but I can think of only a few things that I'll probably do. I'm going to add an external caddy-less hard drive enclosure to allow me to just pop in a bare drive for recording from my PAL HD DVR. I'm not sure if it's that drive or the DISH DVR that has gotten noisy, but I'm worried about hard drive failure. I have all of the parts and tools now, and I should be able to find the time.

I wish that FedEx would come on and then I could take an uninterrupted nap.

Wynn:D

[jocko]

wyn: I would be hard pressed to think kahr would not replace your split magazines. they never squabbled when I sent my P380 magazinein due to the back side busting out.

I am still on my original pM9 2 6 round magazinesa and they look perfect. Odd tha tyou would get 4 bad magazines but I just also feel there were "
bad" magazines from the day they were made and not nothing that you or the gun did..

[wyntrout]

Oh, they'll replace them, but if nothing's changed, I expect new ones to fail after about 400 rounds, too.
Have you had any problems with your PM9 magazines? I think your gun qualifies as "high use".

5:12 PM and Boomer's on his way back to the mothership. Déjà vu all over again.

Wynn:D

[wyntrout]

wyn: I would be hard pressed to think kahr would not replace your split magazines. they never squabbled when I sent my P380 magazinein due to the back side busting out.

I am still on my original pM9 2 6 round magazinesa and they look perfect. Odd that you would get 4 bad magazines but I just also feel there were "
bad" magazines from the day they were made and not nothing that you or the gun did..

I think that it's even odder that 3 different versions, maybe 4, of the magazines have the same faults at the same amount of usage, on the same range trip... about 400 rounds each (SWAG)... velly suspicious... and we haven't heard of any other?

I kind of expect them to test it, scratch their heads, replace my magazines and ship the gun back to me, unchanged, maybe. So... about the same point down the road, I can have these same failures.
If so, I need to get me some Wilson mags like Bawanna's to use at the range and save the Kahrs for CCW... at least the ones I want to carry.

I don't know what else to do, if they don't find a problem to fix or replace the gun.

Well, half of my Kahrs are down for maintenance now. The K9 slide is at Trijicon for re-lamping the night sights.

My PM9 is at-hand gun around the house and I'm wearing now and carrying the P380 as my EDC, which was the plan for this hot weather down here.

Wynn:D

[PigButtons]

Wyn,
Wasn't the first problem boomer had something about the bevel at the bottom of the slide not letting the magazine seat properly when full? Could the problem have really been that the slide or frame guide rails are out of spec depth from barrel centerline? Or even magazine seating too high in the gun?

This might then be catching or at least riding on the rim of the top casing as the slide goes back and fatiguing the back of the magazine. Even if the new slide fixed the problem, the damage to the magazines may have already occurred and they are finally just failing catastrophically.

Just a thought.

[crash]

Compare the upper rear mag well area of any 1911 to the upper rear mag well area of your PM45, installing a mag in each will help. The Kahr mag is not supported at the top because of the triggering system linkage. The mags are breaking when the 45 acp recoil (which is stout) slaps "the next round up" into the unsupported area at the rear of the Kahr mag. My 6 mags broke at about 125 rounds each.

[wyntrout]

I have noticed that the bottom of the slide rides heavily and pushes the top round in the magazine down and to the rear as the slide recoils. Evidently there is considerable force generated by the bottom of slide dragging the cartridge to the rear and it bangs into the unsupported top rear of the magazine, fatiguing it until it fails.
I'm really alarmed to hear about failure at 125 rounds. I was wagging about 400 rounds fired for each of my 6 magazines, but it's probably from 300 to 500 or so. Testing at Kahr CS was just using the 5-round magazines, but the 6-rounder was the worst failure and most problematic in insertion and seating in the magazine well.
The lighting at the range and my eyesight kept me from being able to see the fractures until I got home.

With the design of the current pistols, I don't see an easy fix. Possibly some material could be removed from the bottom of the slide and/or really fine polishing of the underside of the slide could reduce the friction and the force exerted against the unsupported rear of the magazine.

I just looked at the PM9 and it has the same lack of support and all, but I think the biggest factor is the magnitude of the recoil from the .45s. I've never used +P and if I had been using +P 230-grain bullets, I'm sure this would have happened sooner. I guess using lighter +P bullets probably lessens the impact on the rear of the magazine.

I checked my S&W 645 and the magazine is supported at the back up to within 1/8" of the top rear. I don't have a 1911-type pistol, but I figured the Kahr was lacking in support for the upper rear of the magazines. Maybe they could incorporate a really stout "leaf spring" back there to support the top of the magazine as much as possible. There's not much room for a lot of polymer build up for support, especially with the safety block cam located there.

I just looked at my K9 frame and it's the same. The top back of the magazine is unsupported for about 3/4" and that cam that pushes down the safety block is about 3/32" from the back of the magazine.

I wonder how the .40's are fairing with this "problem."

Dang. I think I'm going back to bed. The clock radio went off at 0530, set from the night before for us to get my wife to the airport. I'm really dragging from lost sleep that night.:)

Kahr will get the PM45 today and maybe I'll hear something by early next week... CND... Could Not Duplicate. Tests OK. I'll just have to stock up on "sacrificial" magazines for the range and shoot less. A lot of my shooting, besides for pleasure, was testing and break-in.

Wynn:yo:

[500KV]

Well add another "cracked mag" to the mix.

After reading wynn's post I checked and one of my CW45 mags has the same hairline stress cracks that he described. (I'm guessing ~200 rounds through it).

I think crash has hit on the reason for these failures and bet that others will find some as well, now that the problem has been discovered.

Both CW40 mags and PM9's are ok for now but this situation will bear watching for sure.
Well...Back to Sears Roebuck I guess..:eek:

[johnatw]

Wynn
I have 6 magazines for my CW 40 and none show any sign of a crack in the weld or any place else. I have run over 3,000 rounds through the pistol, but have purchased the magazines at different times over the past 12 months. Therefore I can't say how many rounds went through one particular magazine.
John

[500KV]

The mass of the .45 round itself may be a contributing factor during recoil. Has it only been the .45 mags so far?
I would have expected the 40 cal. mags to show these signs, probably more recoil, but of course the rounds are lighter than the .45.

[jocko]

u don't hear of other brands of magazines splitting like these, so I just ain't buying the mass/recoil thing. They are just bad magazines. Besides that my P380 mags did the same thing when I bought the gun new in less than 200 rounds. Since replacement have around 1500+- in the replacement magazines and they look new.

Send um back to kahr let them replace them and also have a goodl ook at them to. A shame there is no lot# on these magazines, so they could trace them, but they might be able to do it through the serial number of your gun when the magazines came with it. Might give them some insight...

[wyntrout]

Thanks, John, that's good to hear. And 500KV, did you see my pictures? They were more than hairline by the time I noticed. Three different models/versions got the same cracks by the same trip to the range. The two 5-rounders that came with the gun, the 6-round extended grip that I got with the gun package, and one of the two 7-round extended grip versions that I got the first week of April. The latter didn't participate in the first 547 rounds I fired, or any of the Kahr CS testing.
If the mags are defective, then it wasn't just one type or batch or one period of time.
They could "inlay" a stout leaf spring into the rear of the mag well that reaches almost to the top of the mags in the rear to help absorb the "recoil" to the top of the magazine, but there's not room for enough plastic back there.:)
Dang, since I started this, the mail man came, I got an email from my son that I answered, I got a call from Trijicon about paying for my K9 NS re-lamp, and my wife's make-up flight finally got her to her destination... after spending the night in Phoenix, Aircraft delays made her miss her connection yesterday afternoon. She did get to visit with her sister while there.
Uh, where was I? Okay, I'll "publish" this and try to do something else for a few minutes.

Added after the above: I noticed a patrol car sitting in my neighbor's driveway out front. She's out of town, so I grabbed my copy of her key and went to see if I could help (or find out what the problem was). Her alarm went off, we talked, he said everything was secure, and then he stayed and wrote out a ticket(?) or notice to put on her front door. (my trusty P380 was IWB, of course.)
Wynn:D

[500KV]

And 500KV, did you see my pictures? They were more than hairline by the time I noticed. Three different models/versions got the same cracks by the same trip to the range. Wynn:D

Yes I saw the pictures of yours wynn.

The two cracks on either side of my CW45 mag are identical but just not quite as advanced as yours.
~ the same # of rounds through both of mine but only one has the cracks.

I do think crash is correct in his theory about the recoil of the round against the unsupported section of the mag.

[wyntrout]

Yeah, that's pretty much what I thought and I added that to the last email to the head of Kahr CS... also my suggestion for a leaf spring, a very stout one, to be added to the top rear of the mag well to push against the top rear of the magazine. The location of that cam that pushes down/up on the safety block doesn't allow for any more polymer, not that I would trust polymer to absorb or help with that recoil from the cartridge base.
I just don't think that was considered or realized in design and testing this super compact .45.
Wynn:)

[GOOFA]

Wynn... I just wanted to say "Thank You". All the problems that you're having with Kahr indicates to me that you have taken over my old title at Kahr's cust serv dept. Every time I sent something back to them, my ears started to burn and I could just imagine them saying, "another thing back from that old PITA again" but lately my ears haven't been burning me and no voices in my head. Keep up the good work, my good friend.:tongue:

[O'Dell]

Wyn, I checked my PM45 mags, each with about 375 rounds, and they both have to small gap above the weld, but I wouldn't call it a crack. However the back of the mag hasn't separated like yours. I also checked the CW9 mags and they have the same space.

[wyntrout]

Thanks, GOOFA. It wasn't by choice. Most things can be fixed... eventually, but these 45 magazine failures worry me. If they don't come up with a fix, I'm going to look at reinforcing that top back area of the magazines with JB Weld, or something, though I doubt that would be enough, either. I don't even have one left to play with.

O'Dell, the possible fissure I'm talking about, is parallel to the weld and looks like a fine hairline crack starting... between the weld and the adjacent metal. I couldn't see light though it with a tactical light in a closet, though. :D

I seem to have one of the highest rounds fired counts, if not THE highest. I did a lot of testing. :D

When I got my P380 back before the PM45, I forgot to put my inner tube on it AND I forgot my MagLula... that's the only one I could do that with. It's the easiest to load by hand... just slower that way.
A few days later when the PM45 go back, I damn sure remembered the innertube AND the MagLula. I fired over 500 rounds in three trips to the range with the PM45. I thought all was well, and then almost a month later I fired 171 rounds of 45 and had lots of problems... the present ones.
I hope to hear something on it early this week.
Wynn:D

[jocko]

Wyn, I checked my PM45 mags, each with about 375 rounds, and they both have to small gap above the weld, but I wouldn't call it a crack. However the back of the mag hasn't separated like yours. I also checked the CW9 mags and they have the same space.

they allhave that gap above the weld, all of mine do and they have never moved either...

[wyntrout]

No, it's not that gap. Mine seemed to have a fissure next to the weld and the rest of the metal on the right.
Wynn

[Wilson2008]

Wynn,

I just reached 3500 rounds on my PM45 last week, and one of my 5 round magazines has cracks just like you show only not as far along. The other 5 round mag and my two 7 round mags (carried as spares) don't have any cracking yet. I shoot all of these mags equal amounts at the range, and they've all been dropped on the floor many times during speed reloads.

None of this directly helps your case, but my mags seem to have lasted pretty well compared to some others. This might support your theory that your gun is helping to accelerate the problem? Anyway, it seems to be another wear related issue for the PM45 design.

- Wilson

[wyntrout]

Thanks for the info, Wilson. The Head CS guy at Kahr said he had an idea about the problem, but needed to see the gun. They've had it for a few days now, so I should hear something soon. I figure it must be the gun because of all of the mags failing at one time like that. They hadn't had equal use, but not for my lack of trying. CS used the 5-rounders a lot more.
I told the guy at Kahr that my gun needed exorcism and he said it's all in how you shake the chicken bones.:D
My PM9 is backup to my P380 now. I love the tiny gun. I can carry it all of the time. I would rather have the firepower of the PM45, but I can shoot the P380 without it jamming from less than a machine rest-like grip. The 45 was real easy to shoot until the LAST visit when it got the replacement for the bad replacement slide. I should have left well enough alone. The new slide was sure pretty, though.:D
Wynn:)

[500KV]

This problem is not limited to the PM45's.
One of my CW45 mags has the same cracks, (both corners at the back, top of the mag right behind the follower).
These are identical to the ones shown in Wynn's photos, just not quite as advanced.
The other mag is fine, so far, and none of my others, CW40-PM9 show any signs of the cracks.

I put another 50 rounds through the bad mag yesterday with no visible change and it's functioning properly so I don't know. Just have to keep an eye on it I guess.

[Seahawk60]

Wilson makes Kahr PM mags? :confused:

[Bawanna]

Wilson is the poster, post # 24.

[Seahawk60]

Wilson is the poster, post # 24.

No, this is from wyntrout (post #5) differentiating between what sounds like Wilson Combat and Kahr magazines.


It's just really odd that 4 of my 6 Kahr magazines are splitting and one of the others seems to have a possible split alongside the weld on the top back. At about $35 a pop for magazines, that gets pretty expensive. I think I'll have to invest in some Wilson magazines for range use, at least, and save the Kahrs for carry.

[Bawanna]

We found that Wilson magazines work in the PM45's also. They lock back on empty anddo everything like they were meant too.
Many other 1911 mags work but don't lock back.
One fella was even using Detonics magazines for a flush fit.
In a nutshell Wilson don't make kahr mags but in the 45's they work.

[Seahawk60]

Ah, I see. Thanks for the explanation. PM45, so that makes sense. I was hoping for an alternative for PM9 mags. :D

[wyntrout]

Dang! I just a message from Kahr CS that they haven't received a FAX of my dealer's FFL.:(
I contacted the dealer and he's resending... says he sent it last week.

A little Twilight music.... I have never had a good feeling when sending FAXes, especially my 17-year or so old FAX machine. It's like throwing messages into a black hole.

MAYBE Boomer will get back NEXT week.:(

I'll wait until then to test the K9 as well. Got the slide with re-lamped NS back from Trijicon.

Wynn:)

[wyntrout]

Dang! What set off ryoung???

Update on Franken-Boomer... Kahr CS got the FFL FAX and will ship him back to me Monday. I'll test the K9 and it pretty quickly then.
I Tetra-cised the K9 and took apart the slide for the first time... ever. I only had one "sproing"... the pin that locks the backplate in place. I found it quickly, though. That pin was harder than the others to hold down during re-assembly, especially when it's lubricated. Only my smallest jeweler screwdriver would work with that.
I had to make another C-clamp because the one for the PM45 was about 1/8" too long. It was difficult to get the backplate past that because it didn't depress the striker spring and follower quite enough. I tried pulling down on the lower, longer arm of the c-clamp and got part of my finger caught between that and the extractor/breechface... very painful and hard to disengage!:eek:
4 Kahrs and 4 different C-clamps... no biggy... cheap to make.
Wynn:D

[Bawanna]

"Dang! What set off ryoung???"


Shhh, so far it's working.

[wyntrout]

I thought he must have forgotten his meds or something... bump crazy.
Wynn:D

[Bawanna]

He's a wise man that one.

The site seems weird today or maybe it's just me. The log in is different. No middle sign in just the right side. Cant stay logged in and monitor, spits me out. Maybe thats an omen?

[O'Dell]

He's a wise man that one.

The site seems weird today or maybe it's just me. The log in is different. No middle sign in just the right side. Cant stay logged in and monitor, spits me out. Maybe thats an omen?

AH, they've finally caught on to you. :D

[O'Dell]

Hey Wynn, did you get the PM back. I think a report is over due.:cool:

[Bawanna]

Shouldn't of let the cat out of the sack, might have to use that trick again in the future. It worked and I thank you for thinking it up. I was proud as a darn peacock that I caught onto it right away. Usually I'm the dimmest lighthouse in the desert. Good plan.
Your probably one of them cyber terrorist going around blowing up forums.

[Bawanna]

I still laugh how easily kids get along with this new fangled technology. They aren't afraid of tilting or melting down the whole shebang. I still remember when we first got a computer at home. I'd try to do something for days and I'd come home and somebody did something good to it. I'd ask the kids, who did this, wasn't me dad, wasn't on the computer.

No you don't understand what you did is a good thing. Oh yeah that was me. How'd you do it. I have no idea. A vicious circle for sure.

Blind squirrels getting nuts? I thought it was blind hogs getting acorns?
Must be a regional thing.

[wyntrout]

I don't know WTF is going on with Franken-Boomer. Kahr got the second transmission of the FFL last Thursday and they were supposed to ship it this past Monday. I went to the FFL dealer yesterday and he hasn't seen squat... said FedEx hadn't been there this week.:confused: The dealer is closed on Mondays and opens 11am to 7pm.
I guess I'll send a query to Kahr CS and see if and when they sent it... and how? <<eine kleine Twilight Zone Musik>>
I keep thinking that it will return one of these days.... At least I'm back up to 3 Kahrs here... all with sufficiently working night sights now. :)
<<sigh>>
Wynn:)

[MikeyKahr]

You are one patient man, Wynn. I think they should send you another Franken-Boomer as a companion to your own just because you've been such an ideal customer. :9:

[wyntrout]

Boomer's return at range test:

http://kahrtalk.com/kahr-tech/3452-trigger-pivot-pin-backed-out.html#post35809

Wynn:)

[Bai Qui]

Any more info ever come out of this about the cracked mags? I was cleaning my PM45 last night and realized that both of my 5-round mags have cracks just like those in the pictures. The cracks in mine are about a 1/4" long but the aren't peeling back yet. 4-500 rds through each mag, bought the gun in the fall of 2009. Just wondering if it seems to be a problem with the gun or the mags. Maybe it was limited to a certain production run of the mags?

[jocko]

are they cracks or possably just where the weld stopped. My PM9 mags look to me like they might have a non welded area at the top of the magazine about maybe a 1/4" or less but this is my original magazine with over 30,000 rounds out of it. If it is like I am describing then IMO it is not a crack but where the weld stopped . I just checked my other 3 kahr magazines and they all have this non welded area right at the top of the magazine. Now if they are cracking on the sides of the magazines where it makes a bend, that is a defective magazine. Kahr doesn'tmake their magazines but they will replace any defective magazine..

Not sure if that is what ur referring to either, but by chance if it is, then it is normal.

[Bai Qui]

My mags have cracks just like in the first picture posted by wyntrout in post #21 of this thread:

http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=2952&highlight=cracked+mags&page=3

If I'm understanding what you are saying, the "crack" you're referring to would be the gap at the top of the weld on the center of the back of the mag, which both mine have and I would consider it to be normal. The cracks I'm referring to are at the top rear of the mags at the points where the sides and back face meet. If I insert a round and push on the nose of the round, I can actually move the back plate of the mag and make the cracks open up. Guess I'll contact Kahr and see about replacing them.

[jocko]

yup u have bad magazines. they will replace them. I had one of my P380 magazines crackin that same area. Just has to be bad metal and maybe when the bends were made it weakened that area. No doubtr kahr will take care of it. They probalby have no way of knowing that there are potential bad magazines out there until indeed the crack..... for some reason I could not pull up wynns; phtotos but now they popped up and I see what he is referring to. THOSE ARE BAD MAGAZINES..

[wyntrout]

My magazines were fine until that one trip to the range where they all started splitting and several wouldn't fit into the grip without wiggling and pushing harder. I didn't see what was happening until I got home and had good lighting. The three that I got with the gun, and three others, representing 4 different models of Kahr .45 magazines total, started failing. Only one didn't have any splits, yet. Kahr tested and duplicated that the GUN was causing the failures and finally had to use a new frame to stop the magazine destruction. They replaced all six magazines and I've had no trouble since then... other than the nut on the front of the recoil spring guide rod came off. Kahr sent me a complete new assembly.

Wynn:)

[wyntrout]

Well, Boomer is awaiting FedEx pickup for his 5th return to the mothership!:(

I noticed that FOUR of my seven .45 Kahr mags had tiny cracks or splits starting at the upper rear corners. This isn't quite the CATASTROPHIC failures I had back in 2010, but it doesn't bode well for the continued use of these mags. I contacted Jay with pictures of the cracks and a gunsmith there wants to examine the pistol... SO... BACK he goes! This is the second time with this problem... and now with the new frame from the last return.
It's not like I've been shooting a lot of junk in my gun! Part of my letter to Kahr:

This pistol has a round count of from 1,000 to 1,500 since September 2010, using only reputable factory-manufactured, standard-pressure 230-grain ammunition with brass or aluminum cases… no steel-cased ammo, or +P ammo. I have 6 other Kahrs and other pistols, so this one gets to the range 3-4 times a year or so, with from 100 to 200 rounds at most, per session.
This will be the 5th return of my pistol and I’m not sure there are any original parts… maybe the slide lock. I had nicknamed my pistol “Boomer”, but it became “Franken-Boomer”!

Wynn:)

[JFootin]

Maybe they'll replace it with a new one this time, which is what they should have done a long time ago. Would have cost them less, IMO. Here's hoping this is the last time! :hippie:

[wyntrout]

I think that "tricky" bend or fold back there on the magazine is a weak point. I hope that "Boomer" is still easy to shoot when he returns!

He was picked up about half an hour ago and I'm really getting behind on my wash and other chores today!<Sigh>

I guess I'll have to replace him with something else for a while. It's not like I'm pistol or Kahr pistol poor!:D

My P40 had become my main day carry and Boomer for after dark... night sights!

My P9, I guess. The NS on it are 8 years old and I'm thinking of replacing them or getting them re-lamped by Trijicon. I would REALLY like to add those Trijicon HD NS, but they probably won't make those for Kahrs.:(

The P9 with the ported barrel and an 8-round extended grip mag for home defense deployment:

http://kahrtalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6873&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1352948966

I've been thinking about... maybe an XDs... with a NS upgrade to the HD NS! In Orange, this time!:rolleyes: I just want those sights... on a compact .45, too!

Wynn:)

[gb6491]

I've been thinking about... maybe an XDs... with a NS upgrade to the HD NS! In Orange, this time!:rolleyes: I just want those sights... on a compact .45, too!

Wynn:)
I had the Springfield Custom shop install the Trijicn HD sights on my XD-S and found I didn't like them. The sights they use are originally for SIGs. See here:
http://www.***********/forums/xd-s-discussion-room/206213-xds-trijicon-hd-s.html
The trouble with them for me is that the HD front and rear sights have less height offset than the OEM XD-S sights. So my XD-S shoots about three inches low at ten yards with the HD sights. This may be peculiar to me as some folks seem happy with the HD sights on their XD-S and Springfield's contention is the pistol is designed for self defense (so the sights are fine for that). I found another setup that I like (similar front sight to the HD), so I have a nice set HD sights that I'd sell cheap :D
Regards,
Greg

[wyntrout]

HMMM.... censored site in your link!:rolleyes:

Wynn:D

[wyntrout]

I like the HD NS on my XD45 5" Tactical and I think they use the same sights for the SDs. I keep forgetting to take my old XD sights with me to the Gun Shows to check with XDs 45's.

Wynn:)

[gb6491]

HMMM.... censored site in your link!:rolleyes:

Wynn:D


I like the HD NS on my XD45 5" Tactical and I think they use the same sights for the SDs. I keep forgetting to take my old XD sights with me to the Gun Shows to check with XDs 45's.

Wynn:)
Sorry, I didn't know we've started censoring links to that "talk" site.

Here are photos from http://www.xd-hs2000.com showing the HD sights on the XD-S,
This is the sight set the SA Custom Shop uses and James at xd-hs2000 recommends ("But Trijicon HD for the Sig Sauer & XD fits nicely on the slide."):
http://www.xd-hs2000.com/xds/DSC_0873.jpg
..and the XD specific sights (James: "The Trijicon HD XD specific version does not look right on the small XDS slide. The rear sight sticks out off the back of the slide and the gap is kind of wide.")
http://www.xd-hs2000.com/xds/DSC_0883.jpg
My slide with the HD sights James recommends and the SA Custom Shop uses:
http://kahrtalk.com/[IMG]http://i48.tinypic.com/2e6ai40.jpghttp://i48.tinypic.com/2e6ai40.jpg
Regards,
Greg

[jocko]

probably the photo magnifys it more than it is but that front sight IMO has a heh of a space gap between the side blade and the slide.

[wyntrout]

That's two of the "features" I like... the extended sight plane... and the wider notch... supposed to help with "old eyes"!

Thanks for posting the pix, Greg!

Wynn:D

[addictedhealer]

How after so many issues have you not lost faith in Kahr products. I love my new Kahr and hope I don't have any issues because I would probably jump ship.

I realize crap does happen and it seems more so for the .45 kahrs. I have invested a lot of money and time on my Kahr plus pride and if it fails me I would be overwhelmed with grief and foot in mouth.

[wyntrout]

I've had a few disappointments and had to work with Kahr and get some help from my friends on this forum, but I just love these pistols. Overcoming the "minor" shortcomings and getting what I want in performance has become a hobby.:D
I've had some memorable moments and some real downers when a pistol doesn't perform right out of the box... but they get the needed TLC and sooner or later perform as they should.
I hate to see others have problems and give up with the Kahrs... after only one or two. I have 7 and look forward to a couple more... even if I have to "nurse" them a long a bit.

Wynn:)

[wyntrout]

Well, Boomer came back early this afternoon... a FOUR DAY turnaround! I got 7 new mags and the pistol was inspected and fired... tested okay. I just cleaned him up and was loading up all of the mags with my Speer 230-gr GDSB when I realized that I hadn't put the 5-lb spring in it, yet.

I took all of the mags apart and lightly checked the follower and the usual areas of the tube with 320-grit sandpaper for burrs. I degreased the tube inside and out, then lightly oiled the spring before re-assembly, THEN I loaded the mags. All of the springs were correctly oriented. I have more than enough mag holders for all of the loaded mags and deployed those as usual.

I'm being domestic, too, washing all of the bed covers and stuff... plus some "light" house-keeping and getting ready to cook supper... spaghetti.

I have already cleaned up the P40 and need to do the P9... and I haven't gotten to the videos from the range yesterday. <sigh> I've been reading too much. I read and finished... for at least the second time... Starman Jones by Heinlein in the wee hours of the morning. It was bundled with my last monthly bundle from Baen.com ebooks.

Now, washer to dryer for the sheets and covers... AND put the 5-lb striker spring into Boomer... and maybe the K9, while I have the DINING table covered with gun cleaning stuff!

Boomer's done and now for the K9!

Wynn:)

[Tinman507]

You're gonna make some lucky guy a great wife some day.
Housework, cooking AND cleaning guns.

http://mistermomblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Mr_mom2.jpg

[wyntrout]

My daughter will be 38 in a month and is pregnant for the first time. Thankfully, they are over 800 miles away and can't afford the time or gas to visit.

Wynn:D

[krazman]

How did you get a 4 day turnaround? They quoted me 3 weeks for my PM9 which arrived at it's birth-factory today.

kraz

[wyntrout]

I don't know. My pistol is almost "infamous" and it passed muster this time. It was just a matter of replacing the magazines, but they wanted to be sure. I think that Kahr is trying to get on top of the magazine problem... maybe??

Wynn:)

[addictedhealer]

Thanks for the update.

Adam

[wyntrout]

More splitting .45 magazines! I recently got a few more mags from Ivanhoe. I guess some of their stock was older versions... the two K725G mags that I got split at the range yesterday!

I took my P380 and my PM45 and XD45 to the range to test the new +P Underwood Gold Dot ammo that I just got... pretty fierce stuff! I'll post on that later.

The first on the third magfull would not insert into the magazine well and I saw about an inch split at the upper left rear corner!

I could feel a "catch" on the same area of the second magazine and used it until it was getting hard to insert... both corners were splitting by then.

I just sent off an email to Jay with the older email attached as well as the pictures.

When they replace these, I hope that I have no more problems with .45 mags. I'll have to start using the dozen or so 1911 mags that I bought to try with the PM45.

I only had with me my two replaced 5-round and the two new 7-round extended grip mags for the PM45. I needed to test the two new ones and my CCW with the new ammo and didn't want to unload the rest of my PM45 mags to switch to the new ammo... then back!

Before I could upload these pictures, I heard back from Jay... just a few minutes after sending him an email. He said I could send the pistol and mags back if I wanted or just the mags for replacement. I chose the latter. They've already examined the pistol.

Wynn:)