New to me PM9 w/black diamond coating......... Few questions for PM9 owners.

[VoodooSan]

Ok so I picked up a used 'blunt nosed' PM9 from a guy today. Serial # VB13xx. It came in the plastic box with both mags. It has obviously been extremely well cared for. The black coating has no wear at all on it nor does the frame. In fact the the barrel is the only thing that shows wear. It has a little shiny area on the top and bottom but I know the seller said he got it from the original owner who didnt shoot it much. There is no peening on the barrel, no cracks dings or dents anywhere. Internals are clean. Rails and everything are intact. It also has night sights.

The gent I got it from I know takes really excellent care of his firearms. He put 150 rounds down range without a hiccup and even offered to let me shoot it. No issues at all. I also got a kydex pocket holster and a Mitch Rosen Express IWB holster in the deal.

So I am familiar with Glock, HK, Sig, XDs, M&P's etc etc. I do have a few questions on the PM9.....

First...how well does the black coating hold up with normal use? Also I believe this would be considered the 'older' slide so if I order replacement parts off Kahr's website like for a spare recoil assembly & spring or parts kit do I get the one thats marked "old?"

Overall its a great little pistol and I love the Mitch Rosen holster and how compact and light it is. Love my PM9.

http://i.imgur.com/0VybtPX.jpg


Can sort of make out the barrel wear here:
http://i.imgur.com/ScCCPFo.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/c8dug7L.jpg

[finpro]

Good move! I have owned one of these since they first came out. I carry it frequently and, insofar as I can tell, there is no wear of the black coating whatsoever. The coating was formerly called "DLC" which stood for "Diamond Like Coating" or something similar. It is very hard and just does not seem to wear. If I were buying a Kahr on which it was available, I would want this on mine to be less visible as well as for the extra slide protection.
If you go to the Kahr website and look at the replacement sights, there is information on how to identify the old versus new sight dovetails, based on whether there is a dimple on the underside of the slide.

[Bawanna]

Looks to be one of the late blunt noses or PM9J (Jocko) as we call them. It looks like it has a screw holding the side cover on as opposed to a pin on the earlier versions. I'm sure it doesn't make a lot of difference one way or the other, just a means of telling the time period.

Great gun, you done well.

[VoodooSan]

Looks to be one of the late blunt noses or PM9J (Jocko) as we call them. It looks like it has a screw holding the side cover on as opposed to a pin on the earlier versions. I'm sure it doesn't make a lot of difference one way or the other, just a means of telling the time period.

Great gun, you done well.

Yes it does on side cover. I just noticed that. Thanks!


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[VoodooSan]

Good move! I have owned one of these since they first came out. I carry it frequently and, insofar as I can tell, there is no wear of the black coating whatsoever. The coating was formerly called "DLC" which stood for "Diamond Like Coating" or something similar. It is very hard and just does not seem to wear. If I were buying a Kahr on which it was available, I would want this on mine to be less visible as well as for the extra slide protection.
If you go to the Kahr website and look at the replacement sights, there is information on how to identify the old versus new sight dovetails, based on whether there is a dimple on the underside of the slide.

No dimple in the rear so looks like an old slide. Plus I looked at the pic and could tell it's the old style.


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[VoodooSan]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170731/2eb2f208e12af5c2297c148d1bf1faf8.jpg

Not the best pic but there is a small screw there.

And here is a pic of the sight so you can kind of see the cuts but it's the old style. When these nights die out I might order from Kahr the factory dot sights and put those on.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170731/0ef8afb3bd100efaf3a4e59286744dad.jpg


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[Ed M]

Voodoo - Looks like you've got the sight thing figured out. My PM9 is also the old style - it's 9 years old. Mine has the dimple on the underside of the slide, so it's the new dovetails.

Mine is also the DLC finish. The only marks on it are inside the slide where the recoil spring sits. The spring(s) wore off a ring of the black finish, but it's not visible from the outside of the gun. The DLC finish is really tough. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another Kahr with that finish, but I won't buy one that is cerakoted. DLC > cerakote for durability.

Here's some recoil assembly knowledge for you:

PM9s have 3 types of recoil assemblies.

Type 1 is the oldest, and has a 13 coil outer spring that is rated at 18 lbs. The flange at the back end of it measures 3/8" in diameter. PM9s that use this type have the blunt nose slide.

Type 2 is the next oldest and also has a 13 coil spring rated at 18 lbs. The flange on the back end measures 1/2" on this type, and the PM9s that use this type also have the blunt nose slide.

Type 3 is the newest style, and uses a 15 coil spring. The flange is 1/2" also, and this type is the one used on the current PM9 with the taper at the front of the slide (like the CM9).

http://www.kahrtalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=14866&stc=1

I just ordered a type 2 RSA from Kahr, and it came with a 15 coil spring. It fit, but it was a disaster in operation. The spring was really bound up on the sleeve it mounts on. The guide rod would bind up and not retract fully into the slide when racked. After a good sanding and polishing of the sleeve, it got better, but still would bind up and not fully retract into the slide when racking it. The slide also would not lock back on an empty magazine. I finally cut the spring down to 13 coils, and it works fine now. I fired 100 rounds through it, and it operates like new. My PM9 has 5100 rounds through it, and I replaced just the outer recoil spring at 2500 rounds (just because). My LGS recommended this, and ordered just the outer spring from Wolff Springs.

Wolff makes the OEM springs for Kahr. I just ordered a couple sets of recoil springs from Wolff recently, as it's a lot cheaper than buying a whole new assembly from Kahr. Their spring kit includes an outer recoil spring, an inner recoil spring and a factory power striker spring - all for $8.99 per kit, and $3.99 shipping. You can take the guide rod assembly apart and replace both inner and outer springs, but I don't. I just replaced the outer spring (factory 18 lb), and it's the correct 13 coil spring for the old style slides. I don't think you can buy just the recoil springs or kit from Wolff for the type 3 slide PM9s as far as I can tell.

https://www.gunsprings.com/KAHR%20ARMS/cID1/mID29/dID340

[VoodooSan]

Voodoo - Looks like you've got the sight thing figured out. My PM9 is also the old style - it's 9 years old. Mine has the dimple on the underside of the slide, so it's the new dovetails.

Mine is also the DLC finish. The only marks on it are inside the slide where the recoil spring sits. The spring(s) wore off a ring of the black finish, but it's not visible from the outside of the gun. The DLC finish is really tough. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another Kahr with that finish, but I won't buy one that is cerakoted. DLC > cerakote for durability.

Here's some recoil assembly knowledge for you:

PM9s have 3 types of recoil assemblies.

Type 1 is the oldest, and has a 13 coil outer spring that is rated at 18 lbs. The flange at the back end of it measures 3/8" in diameter. PM9s that use this type have the blunt nose slide.

Type 2 is the next oldest and also has a 13 coil spring rated at 18 lbs. The flange on the back end measures 1/2" on this type, and the PM9s that use this type also have the blunt nose slide.

Type 3 is the newest style, and uses a 15 coil spring. The flange is 1/2" also, and this type is the one used on the current PM9 with the taper at the front of the slide (like the CM9).

http://www.kahrtalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=14866&stc=1

I just ordered a type 2 RSA from Kahr, and it came with a 15 coil spring. It fit, but it was a disaster in operation. The spring was really bound up on the sleeve it mounts on. The guide rod would bind up and not retract fully into the slide when racked. After a good sanding and polishing of the sleeve, it got better, but still would bind up and not fully retract into the slide when racking it. The slide also would not lock back on an empty magazine. I finally cut the spring down to 13 coils, and it works fine now. I fired 100 rounds through it, and it operates like new. My PM9 has 5100 rounds through it, and I replaced just the outer recoil spring at 2500 rounds (just because). My LGS recommended this, and ordered just the outer spring from Wolff Springs.

Wolff makes the OEM springs for Kahr. I just ordered a couple sets of recoil springs from Wolff recently, as it's a lot cheaper than buying a whole new assembly from Kahr. Their spring kit includes an outer recoil spring, an inner recoil spring and a factory power striker spring - all for $8.99 per kit, and $3.99 shipping. You can take the guide rod assembly apart and replace both inner and outer springs, but I don't. I just replaced the outer spring (factory 18 lb), and it's the correct 13 coil spring for the old style slides. I don't think you can buy just the recoil springs or kit from Wolff for the type 3 slide PM9s as far as I can tell.

https://www.gunsprings.com/KAHR%20ARMS/cID1/mID29/dID340

Great info. I'll double check my RSA when I get home but I THINK it's the Type 2. I'll post a pic when I get in later because now I am curious.


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[VoodooSan]

Also from Wolff would I order part 52818 - 18lbs recoil spring? That fits either Type 1 or 2 yes?

Folks I am grateful for all the input.


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[Ed M]

Yes - #52818 is what you need for a type 1 or type 2.

You were very fortunate to find that PM9.

One of our members has over 30,000 rounds out of his so far, and it's still going strong.

Enjoy!

[DXT_Shooter]

Ok so I picked up a used 'blunt nosed' PM9 from a guy today. Serial # VB13xx. It came in the plastic box with both mags. It has obviously been extremely well cared for. The black coating has no wear at all on it nor does the frame. In fact the the barrel is the only thing that shows wear. It has a little shiny area on the top and bottom but I know the seller said he got it from the original owner who didnt shoot it much. There is no peening on the barrel, no cracks dings or dents anywhere. Internals are clean. Rails and everything are intact. It also has night sights.

The gent I got it from I know takes really excellent care of his firearms. He put 150 rounds down range without a hiccup and even offered to let me shoot it. No issues at all. I also got a kydex pocket holster and a Mitch Rosen Express IWB holster in the deal.

So I am familiar with Glock, HK, Sig, XDs, M&P's etc etc. I do have a few questions on the PM9.....

First...how well does the black coating hold up with normal use? Also I believe this would be considered the 'older' slide so if I order replacement parts off Kahr's website like for a spare recoil assembly & spring or parts kit do I get the one thats marked "old?"

Overall its a great little pistol and I love the Mitch Rosen holster and how compact and light it is. Love my PM9.

http://i.imgur.com/0VybtPX.jpg


Can sort of make out the barrel wear here:
http://i.imgur.com/ScCCPFo.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/c8dug7L.jpg

I like that Mitch Rosen Holster do you know what model it is? I picked up an old PM9 as well with the blunt nose https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170731/28116dcc8d91c3e5973c975f969e1fd9.jpg

I do like the all black one you have it's very nice [emoji1303].


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[VoodooSan]

Yes - #52818 is what you need for a type 1 or type 2.

You were very fortunate to find that PM9.

One of our members has over 30,000 rounds out of his so far, and it's still going strong.

Enjoy!

Awesome thank you!


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[VoodooSan]

I like that Mitch Rosen Holster do you know what model it is? I picked up an old PM9 as well with the blunt nose https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170731/28116dcc8d91c3e5973c975f969e1fd9.jpg

I do like the all black one you have it's very nice [emoji1303].


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Its the Mitch Rosen Express Clipper from Kahr's site. It came in with PM9

[VoodooSan]

So my RSA looks like the Type 1 after all. Any reason to use a Type 2 or just leave it? I didnt know if there was any reason to move to the Type 2 or if that is even a good idea.

http://i.imgur.com/SZYBQO6.jpg

[VoodooSan]

I called Kahr today to find out info on my PM9. It was made in 2004 and does in fact use the Type 1 RSA. I did order a metal magazine release (part# 017PM9) to replace my plastic one.I also ordered a spare complete Type 1 RSA to have since its complete with the springs. Hopefully it comes with the 13 coil spring. Since I dont know if I have the original spring I figured just change it and have a spare RSA.

[Bawanna]

I'm not certain if they will interchange. You might be able to look and see if yours will accommodate the larger 1/2" end.

Also for future reference it's a good idea to position the open end of the spring on the front so it's pointing up towards the barrel when you install.
This helps prevent it from sometime poking out the front under the barrel. I've never had the issue but some have.

As the barrel tilts it leave a gap that the spring will sometimes try to use as an escape route.

[VoodooSan]

I'm not certain if they will interchange. You might be able to look and see if yours will accommodate the larger 1/2" end.

Also for future reference it's a good idea to position the open end of the spring on the front so it's pointing up towards the barrel when you install.
This helps prevent it from sometime poking out the front under the barrel. I've never had the issue but some have.

As the barrel tilts it leave a gap that the spring will sometimes try to use as an escape route.

According to the person I spoke with at Kahr they advised to stick with the Type 1 RSA on mine.

I thought the open end of the spring went towards the muzzle end?

[Bawanna]

It does go towards the muzzle. Just put the very end of the spring so it's up towards the barrel.

[VoodooSan]

It does go towards the muzzle. Just put the very end of the spring so it's up towards the barrel. Ah I see thanks!

[ct9kahrtoter]

That is a damn fine looking pistol you picked up there OP! Very nice. ;)

[VoodooSan]

That is a damn fine looking pistol you picked up there OP! Very nice. ;)

Thank you much!


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[VoodooSan]

Since my PM9 had the plastic magazine release I did just get in the steel mag release and replaced it.

Definitely a worthy and inexpensive upgrade.


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[68Firebird]

Since my PM9 had the plastic magazine release I did just get in the steel mag release and replaced it.

Definitely a worthy and inexpensive upgrade.

I see on the Kahr parts list that the magazine catch (and the slide stop for that matter) are priced the same and look the same for the CM9 and the PM9, although the part numbers are slightly different. Is the magazine catch listed for the PM9 at that site the steel one?

And while I'm at it, I assume the slide stop for PM9 is the machined one. Correct?

[VoodooSan]

I see on the Kahr parts list that the magazine catch (and the slide stop for that matter) are priced the same and look the same for the CM9 and the PM9, although the part numbers are slightly different. Is the magazine catch listed for the PM9 at that site the steel one?

And while I'm at it, I assume the slide stop for PM9 is the machined one. Correct?

The part I ordered was 017PM9. I called Kahr just to be safe and make sure I was getting the right part.

I got it in yesterday and put it in. Big difference. First the mag release I ordered is Steel and has a more tactile feeling that the plastic.

Plus the magazines snap in place way more positive and don't wiggle around like the plastic one did. The plastic mag release always felt a little mushy but eve had an issue using it.


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[VoodooSan]

The other thing I did was fix up a pocket holster I got in the deal when I bought it. I can't tell who the maker is. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170804/298617a5cd9b1b785ebe418b16220a93.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170804/1e94a16d06ac7c36eb7933640654e766.jpg


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[VoodooSan]

It is really well made kydex. Being a pocket holster it wasn't very tight. It has a good lip for your thumb to push off.

So what I did was drill a hole and added a retention screw and it really improved the retention.

I can make it super tight or extremely easy to draw. Now it has a perfect retention. Runner o-rings are on the front and back. Works like a champ.

Just wish I knew who made it.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170804/017d2691488887754ead7acb1f468d6e.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170804/2f07ecde3fa926daea17510833c21df3.jpg


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[Ed M]

That's looking like a pretty sweet rig.

The holster looks like a Vedder Pocket Locker - I have one for one of my pocket guns. Excellent quality holster. The thumb tab really makes for a quick and easy draw.

I especially like how it goes into my pocket without grabbing the pocket material. It isn't as easy to remove because the hook does it's job to prevent it from coming out upon drawing, but I've found that covering the hook with my fingers makes it easier.

[VoodooSan]

Yeah I looked at Vedder and seems you are correct. Definitely a quality kydex holster. Fits like a glove but adding a retention screw really helped. I do like the push off for your thumb a lot.