22 Long Rifle Version?

[torrgar9]

I like Kahr pistols, their size, weight and especially the trigger. I know ammo prices are down right now, but what comes down will go back up. So with that in mind; Do you think there would be much interest in a 22 lr version or conversion kit for Kahrs? Maybe a straight blow back or light weight alloy slide version. I think this would make a great training / practice platform or even better, a new " Kit Gun " for walks in the woods. Something along the lines of a Walther PPK 22 lr. Think there would be enough demand to support one?

[Armybrat]

Interesting thought, as there is always room for another .22 plinker choice.

[ltxi]

Wouldn't hurt, but I doubt the demand. I wouldn't buy one.

[jshamilt]

Wouldn't hurt, but I doubt the demand. I wouldn't buy one.

I would be interested, depending on price.

[kenemoore]

.22 LR is not a good carry round, rim fired cartridges are just too unreliable. That was the reason the .25ACP was developed. The Kahr line has a rep for pocket carry, many of the models offered are the smallest or close to smallest available. I doubt a .22LR would be any smaller than a CW380. So, if it isn't smaller, why go with a weaker, smaller, less reliable round?

If you're thinking plinker/target pistol, then the long DA trigger would be a disadvantage. Most if not all target pistols, have very light triggers, with minimal pull distance.

So..with the above in mind, I do not see a market for a .22LR Kahr pistol.

What we need to see is a K-45! :rolleyes:

[Bawanna]

I think the thought is practice with the same set up as big brother Kahr with cheap ammo.

Might be lots of issues trying to run such a small package on such a small cartridge.

It's been wished for before many times. The concept is good, I don't anticipate seeing come to life any time soon.

[ltxi]

I'm not much a fan of .22LR versions/conversions of small, lightweight carry guns if the goal is cheap practice ammo. There is a radical difference in behaviour of a sub one pound arm using .22 vice their native .38/9mm.

I love small form .22's such as J-frames as short ramge plinkers. And my all time favorite is a .22 short Beretta Minx. But i'd never use these as practice substitutes for a serious carry gun.

[skiflydive]

Once I got my Bersa Thunder .22 running well it's been a nice plinker. Similar size and weight to my CM9. I had to chamfer the bottom of the chamber rim to get it to feed reliably and the recoil spring needs to be installed with the small end first. Fun little plinker.

[JohnR]

I agree with Itxi, and found out the hard way. It's not just the difference in recoil, it's that a .22 needs a much stiffer hammer or striker blow to set off the primer, so the trigger feels totally different in most cases.

Skyflydive, if you wouldn't mind posting or PMing me a picture of your chamber chamfer, my Bersa .22 could use a little tweaking. It's an absolute delight to shoot, but too unreliable to enjoy.

[skiflydive]

Skyflydive, if you wouldn't mind posting or PMing me a picture of your chamber chamfer, my Bersa .22 could use a little tweaking. It's an absolute delight to shoot, but too unreliable to enjoy.

I don't have a good way to take/post a picture right now. Story is I was cycling some ammo through one day and noticed the chamber edge was skiving/peeling little shavings of lead. I figured that had to be providing enough resistance that the slide wasn't going into battery all the time. Sometimes it was worse than others and the peeling wasn't as bad with copper washed ammo. I figured the resistance was the same either way. I used a little curved riffler file to break the sharp edge on the bottom of the chamber throat. Not so much of a chamfer or bevel as it was just breaking the sharp edge. It helped immediately. I used a riffler because I had one but a small round bur or stone in a dremel would be just as effective I think as long as you aren't too aggressive.

[ltxi]

Another fun plinker I used to own....A Phoenix Arms .22LR. Reliable and pretty damn accurate. Really wish I still had it.

The beatings may start now.

[Bawanna]

Pedro offers you his protection.

[Ed M]

Another fun plinker I used to own....A Phoenix Arms .22LR. Reliable and pretty damn accurate. Really wish I still had it.

The beatings may start now.

Thanks Pedro!

I have an HP-22, and it's lots of fun to shoot.

Brought a lot of smiles to youngsters and new shooters as well.

I suppose it'd be better than a sharp stick, and certainly the equal of a rock.

Never the less, it's a hoot to shoot it at the plinking range. Got my money's worth out of it, and then some...


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[JohnR]

I don't have a good way to take/post a picture right now. Story is I was cycling some ammo through one day and noticed the chamber edge was skiving/peeling little shavings of lead. I figured that had to be providing enough resistance that the slide wasn't going into battery all the time. Sometimes it was worse than others and the peeling wasn't as bad with copper washed ammo. I figured the resistance was the same either way. I used a little curved riffler file to break the sharp edge on the bottom of the chamber throat. Not so much of a chamfer or bevel as it was just breaking the sharp edge. It helped immediately. I used a riffler because I had one but a small round bur or stone in a dremel would be just as effective I think as long as you aren't too aggressive.
That's helpful, I think mine has the same affliction. Can't really hurt to try it.

[Dbholfo]

I concur. No need for Kahr to reinvent the wheel for .22lr. I hadn't shot anything in 40 years when two friends convinced me to get a CCL. I thought through the issues and went for it. At the class I qualified with 50 rounds through a Beretta Neos. At the time all I knew was its caliber. Fun to shoot and, while not a tack driver, quite accurate. Two years later I bought one when ammo prices were above $.45 a round for .45 ACP. It's still fun to shoot and shooting golf balls on a line of string at 20' is a challenge. Hitting a swinging one even more so. 2" screws into the balls allow tie lines. My PM45 always goes with me. .45 prices are back down to $.32-.35 so 50 - 100 rounds go through paper or election signs in a session. The .22 Neos is stress relief. Federal 325s are $.04556 a round at Walmart anytime these days. The nice thing is .22lr also fits my Marlin Model 60, which is also amazing and fun.

[greg_r]

I tried a 22 conversion kit once. Still have it but don't like it at all. Sig Sauer 938-22. Same gun, different operation. According to a conversation I had with Sig, the springs in 22 conversion magazines nare not strong enough to reliably operate the slide catch. Therefor the slide locks open on the rear of the magazine. To insert a new magazine you have to rack the slide fully to the rear and manually lock it. Then you can drop the magazine.

I think the best 22 long rifle companion piece to the Kahr is actually the Ruger LCRX.

[JohnR]

I think the best 22 long rifle companion piece to the Kahr is actually the Ruger LCRX.
I concur, the trigger would be very similar.

[jg rider]

Having a kahr.22 conversion would seem to me almost like having one for a Glock, which we have. The balancing act between the recoil spring and striker spring is critical. To have a no misfires there needs to be a strong striker spring which adds to a heavy trigger pull. When the trigger spring is to stiff, it will pull the slide back a bit as the striker spring compresses. On release the striker and slide move forward causing a buffer to the striker hit. So what's needed is a stiffer recoil spring, and this could cause stove pipes.

Wife has a Glock 17 with a Advantage arms .22 conversion unit. It's ammo sensitive. Rem. Golden Bullets, CCi Mini Mags or CCi Blazers. I assume these are the only recommended rounds recommended because they don't create any stove pipes. But there are still misfires. Any other common brand of ammo like Fed. Win. etc. cause stove pipes.

This scenario also happens with other Glock .22 conversion manufacturers which have the same ammo recommendation.

IMHO the possible shorter throw of a Kahr striker compared to a Glock would add misfires.

Maybe this is why Glock hasn't come out with a .22 Hey I'm not an engineer or expert. This is only MHO.

[CharlieR]

I had an Advantage Arms 26/27LE slide when I still had my Glock 26. Ran just fine with Golden Bullets and CCI. It can be done, but not sure with the Kahr cam. It is a kinda short throw. But it sure would be fun if they could do it.

[TXscooterguy]

I recently purchased a Smith and Wesson Victory. I love it.

[jg rider]

I had an Advantage Arms 26/27LE slide when I still had my Glock 26. Ran just fine with Golden Bullets and CCI. It can be done, but not sure with the Kahr cam. It is a kinda short throw. But it sure would be fun if they could do it.

Funny you should say that. My friend lent me his G26/27 with the A.A. on it and it never missed a beat. While I had it I wondered how they could get 10 rnds. into the shorter mags and I could only get 10 rnds. into the much longer A.A. 17/23 mags.

Well I figured it out, so now wife's A.A. 17/23 mags hold 15 rnds. This was before A.A. came out with their propriety 15 & 25 mags. My 15 was cheaper and and is a flush mounted to fame.

The funny part of all this was when I tried to order A.A. 26/27 mag parts from the company which were located in Kalifornia. I was asked why I wanted them. I made the mistake of telling them it as to expand the capacity of A.A. 17/23. They refused to sell me the parts telling me it was illegal to sell parts that expanded a mag to more then 10 rds. I explained that I lived in Oregon and was not restricted to any such law. It fell on deaf ears.

So I had to make my own parts to create 13 rnd mags because I didn't want to reshape the stock followers. Years later A.A. started selling mag parts so I finally got it done

I hd to mod the 17/23 mag body a bit but it doesn't effect going back to 10 rnd configurations

I believe the 15 rnd. capacity will only work for G17 mags. I'm guessing for G15 mags the count would be less. I don't know about other calibers.