New PM9 broke after 25 rounds--update--CS A+ on fix

[Atilla]

I've had a MK9 for about a year, put 500+ rounds through it and outside of the basic "kahr" idiosyncrasies, has never messed up. had some slide lock issues (my thumb), and chambering problems on first round (need to snap the slide fast). I like it and carry it when the M&P is too big. The MK9 is a bit heavy, so I finally got my hands on a PM9 yesterday.

I field stripped it, checked the mags, everything seemed fine, just like my MK9. I go to the range today and after 25 rounds of WWB, failure to fire. Tap, rack slide....still FTF. The trigger feels funny, like it's doing nothing. When I rack the slide it 'seems' to be cocking the striker. It will not field strip, the pin removes just fine but the slide is 'stuck' and will not move forward. I imagine a trigger bar or lever is just not doing it's job.

I filled out the Return form on Kahr's website already, this it total BS as far as I'm concerned. Searching the internet or these forums it's AMAZING how many issues there are with Kahrs compared to any quality gun manufacturer.

[f44life]

Are you absolutely sure you put it back together right? Especially when you re insert the slide stop pin?

How old is this kahr you bought? a brand new one or a 4 year old one collecting dust?

[Atilla]

If it goes back together just like the CW9, yes I am sure. It was about 6 months old unfired. Like anyone with a Sig or S&W or Glock would need to ask how old it was. My Sig P239 is well over 10,000 rounds and never a hiccup. I think I may part ways with Kahr once this is fixed. I do wish a reliable small 9mm was available. The Mk9 has done well so far, but I never feel it's as reliable as a revolver or M&P or Sig.

[RogerP9fan]

This is an abberation which I don't understand. Kahr is most definately a quality gun maker that is reliable.

Perhaps one of the more senior members will take this one on and attempt to define what happened to defend our much loved carry partners.

Really makes one wonder about those first six months. Somebody owned it and didn't know anything about firearms while field stripping it and broke it?

This is not the Sat. night special or KT forum where we hear of things like this very often.

[Bawanna]

I suspect a faulty trigger bar or trigger bar spring. This could disable the trigger so it won't drop the striker to release the slide like normal.
While it is an awful thing I suspect it will have to go back to Kahr for a look see. They will make it right and most likely in a timely fashion.

This of course will do nothing to improve your confidence in Kahr products and if your confident and content with your Sig's and Glocks as you should be, they are fine weapons, perhaps parting ways with your Kahr is the right thing.
Given time I suspect you would really like it but that option of course is totally up to you.

[RogerP9fan]

I suspect a faulty trigger bar or trigger bar spring. This could disable the trigger so it won't drop the striker to release the slide like normal.
While it is an awful thing I suspect it will have to go back to Kahr for a look see. They will make it right and most likely in a timely fashion.

This of course will do nothing to improve your confidence in Kahr products and if your confident and content with your Sig's and Glocks as you should be, they are fine weapons, perhaps parting ways with your Kahr is the right thing.
Given time I suspect you would really like it but that option of course is totally up to you.Although we heard of this problem with another member recently....would you say this is pretty rare?

[Bawanna]

Without solid statistics I don't know that I would call it rare. We've heard of it several times, many times we don't hear back from the poster to find if it really was a trigger bar or not. Also often times the work order will be something like replaced this and that and several other things test fired ok.
Not a crystal clear diagnosis.
I would say there are far more that don't have issues than do. By this forums very nature as we've said before lots of times, we hear about the broken ones. Far more bad than good.
Not visiting any of the other forums I'm not sure if they hear lots of bad stuff about their respective brands too or not. I've never had any issues with any others and I've not had to send any kahrs back for anything that was their fault.

[GOOFA]

Atilla... I know you stated it was 6 months old and never shot. How do you know that? Did you by this from an individual or from a dealer, and if from a dealer was it used but LNIB or sold as used but NIB. I'm curious as to whether it had a previous owner or if it came from the dealers distributor? I've seen more than my share of individuals buying a brand new gun, never reading the instructions, going to the range, not working, PO'd, trying to do their own repair/diagnosis, screwing up the gun even more and than try to sell it as new, never shot at a discount. Then the new owner takes it out on the manufacturer because his new gun is broken and gets more PO'd when he finds out the cost to ship it and fix it because he has no warranty. Warranty only to original owner for most firearms.

[joje]

"This is not the Sat. night special or KT forum"

current production keltecs are no worse reliability wise than the next pocket pistol. sure, they're not glock reliable but neither are kahr or any other ultra compact that i know of.

[joshh]

can be a bad apple in any bunch. i recently bought a ruger 10/22 which is arguably the most used 22 in the world and is renowned for its reliability. mine was bad out of the box. had to do a full takedown and reassemble with some "cleaning up" of poorly tooled parts. it runs better now but i ordered a bunch of aftermarket parts to hopefully improve its performance. my MA compliant pm9 is a much more complicated piece and thankfully has been flawless from day 1. hope your problem gets resolved. if you dont want it, i'm sure you could sell it.

[f44life]

I think the forum moderator needs to make a section just for problems or complaints about the pm9 or other kahr guns....because most of what you hear is negative and almost pulled me away from buying one....but i love mine and im glad i did.

[Bawanna]

I think that was pretty much the plan having an area for each specific model. Since we're more or less all here to help each other, aggrevate and occasionally slander each other I think things are probably ok.
Theres alot of commonality amongst the various models so the cure for one model will more than likely cure the others. The steel guns are slightly different from the tupperware but still the same concept.
I'd like to think the techs at Kahr may someday come here for answers. Scarey when you think about it.

[RogerP9fan]

It wasn't my objective to offend any potential KT owners who may be members here, If I did I apologize. However, in my brief time in their forum the horror stories I heard, I could do nothing but run like a bat out of he11...I thank Jesus everyday I discovered Kahr.

[Bawanna]

Personally I can't think of any way to offend a KT owner anymore than they have offended themselves just by being a KT owner.
While I certainly don't look down my nose at them and feel there is a place for them for those who can't afford anything better or just love guns with no asthethic attributes (some guys like fat chicks).
To me I'd go back to edged weapons or bow and arrow before a KT but then some think I'm weird. Actually I am weird and should be committed. But where? Perhaps the other side of the sod. Perhaps to Jlotts one way bus to he!!.
If nothing else this post ought to maybe liven things up a bit this afternoon (I'm fallin asleep here) and bring on an onslaught of flaming arrows aimed at yours truly. Perhaps I've found my calling? A target for flaming arrows:D

[f44life]

:confused: How many places are there to hide a Kel-Tec on a Fat Chick ?



armpits 2

belly under fat 3

one in each back fat roll 2

two in but cheeks 2

9 or 10 keltecs

[Atilla]

Well this thread got silly real quick.

I got a RA from Kahr today and sent it back to them. I had to pay the shipping, which Kahr mandates next day air. $48.05 later, I am wondering what kind of business they are running. They also say they have a $40 surcharge for anyone NOT using next day air. My Lenovo laptop and Ruger (LCP) both covered shipping on warranty work. Hopefully they fix it right the first time, they sure didn't build it right the first time. Some extras or deep discounts to cover the loss I am taking on the moronic shipping charges I am forced to accept (standard ground was about $8, so with Kahr's $40 surcharge a wash on the overnight charge--but at this point I'd much rather give the money to UPS) would be nice.

So like I mentioned in my OP, my Sig has well over 10k rounds through it, and I know many who are pushing 40k---how many Kahrs out there have high round counts (with very very high reliability)? I really like the size of the MK/PM platform, and my MK9 has been reliable and accurate so far. Hopefully in 3 years after 5k flawless rounds I will be a Kahr disciple.

[Bawanna]

I don't think it is a Kahr mandate on the overnight shipping. That is a UPS, Mail or Fed Ex mandate. I'm not sure where they get off charging a surcharge for those who sneak one in under the radar. Perhaps they are at risk for not following shipping rules?
Jocko's PM 9 has nearly 40, 000 rounds, I've once again forgotten but its an insane amount of rounds with zero problems.

[wyntrout]

You guys are bad. Do you remember the big fat prisoner being checked into jail/prison a few years ago? He had already been frisked and processed into whatever confinement he was getting. He decided after thinking about it a bit, to tell the guards/cops or whatever that he had a 9mm pistol under a roll of fat... unloaded but a pistol. He wound up getting more charges and additional time for sneaking a gun in or whatever, so that's possible.
A search gave a lot of hits on this:
http://www.google.com/search?q=fat+prisoner+had+pistol+under+roll+of+fat&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

I just can't believe that people are having to pay for retuning their pistols for warranty work! It cost Kahr about $26 to have my gun picked up and shipped to them. It would have cost me over $60... FedEx Overnight.

Wynn:D

[Hank Hill]

This is an abberation which I don't understand. Kahr is most definately a quality gun maker that is reliable.


Sorry, no. I just dumped my new PM9 for a G26 due to serious FTF issues and the fact that after 3 weeks I got tired of my gun being in "que" at Kahr for repairs.

Alas the Kahr faithful will dismiss you as incompetent rather than admit this gun has problems.

Whew! I'm glad to be rid of mine!

[Hank Hill]

I think the forum moderator needs to make a section just for problems or complaints about the pm9 or other kahr guns....because most of what you hear is negative and almost pulled me away from buying one....but i love mine and im glad i did.

I disagree. Legitimate and verifiable complaints should not be corralled into an area for the comfort of Kahr. Had I read all the complaints about the PM9 before I bought mine 3 weeks ago, I'd have never bought it and had to sell it.

Sunshine is a great disinfectant.

[tyrobins]

I've bought both a PM9 and a Sig p226 in the past 3 months.

The PM9 is at 1500 rnds. It had 2 malfunctions within the 200 rnd break in period, and a flawless 1300 after that.

The Sig has been sent back to Sig because the trigger bar was falling into the mag well when a round in battery was fired with the magazine removed (this jammed the trigger and slide fully to the rear). A very bad malfunction.

I trust that Sig will make it right for me because of their CS reputation. I post this just to say that even Sig is capable of shipping out a "lemon". I'll be patient and give them a chance to make it right (although admittedly one chance, if it still gives problems after it comes back I'm going to throw a hissy). I'd encourage you to give Kahr the same oppurtunity. I love my PM9, and once yours comes back you probably will love yours, too.

[tyrobins]

Atilla, I just read your post about paying for shipping. If I were you I'd raise some hell to get them to pay for that. They sent out a bad gun. They should pay for everything. End of story.

[RogerP9fan]

Just to set the record straight with a disappointing update since my last posting. I've had 6 malfunctions in which the trigger failed to reset while firing (no, I don't hold the trigger all the way back after firing and I'm not a limpwrister)
A dead trigger with no tension at all with a live round sitting in the chamber.
I eject the live round and fire the remaining rounds. Next magazine, the same failure occurs.
I've only fired 100 rounds previous to this. The gun is brand new.
It's going back to Kahr and I'd love for them to tell me shipping charges are my responsibility.

[Hank Hill]

I've bought both a PM9 and a Sig p226 in the past 3 months.

The PM9 is at 1500 rnds. It had 2 malfunctions within the 200 rnd break in period, and a flawless 1300 after that.

The Sig has been sent back to Sig because the trigger bar was falling into the mag well when a round in battery was fired with the magazine removed (this jammed the trigger and slide fully to the rear). A very bad malfunction.

I trust that Sig will make it right for me because of their CS reputation. I post this just to say that even Sig is capable of shipping out a "lemon". I'll be patient and give them a chance to make it right (although admittedly one chance, if it still gives problems after it comes back I'm going to throw a hissy). I'd encourage you to give Kahr the same oppurtunity. I love my PM9, and once yours comes back you probably will love yours, too.

My Sig P239 has been flawless since new. But I think the difference between your example and mine is that this forum and other gun forums are rife with reports of issues with the PM9, whereas Sigs, not so much. Granted, the P238s have had some growing pains but they seem to pale in comparison to the PM9 issues. That in addition to the fact that I've heard very few complaints about how Sig has dealt with their issues.

Just one man's opinion, anecdotal at best.

[RogerP9fan]

This has been a hard and embarrasing lesson for me especially if you read my comments in reply box #4.

The lesson is: Don't comment on things unless you have absolute real world experience on the subject at hand.
Don't comment based on pure hopes and expectation.

[RogerP9fan]

I think the forum moderator needs to make a section just for problems or complaints about the pm9 or other kahr guns....because most of what you hear is negative and almost pulled me away from buying one....but i love mine and im glad i did.
This sounds dangerously close to being CENSORSHIP. Actually, no, that is CENSORSHIP. Fidel Castro would be proud.

[Bawanna]

This is becoming a very depressing and boring thread. I suggest we all have a group hug, (the gun of your choice), sing kumbya a few times and move onto something perhaps more positive and entertaining.
Least wise that's where I'm going, who's with me?

[Hank Hill]

This has been a hard and embarrasing lesson for me especially if you read my comments in reply box #4.

The lesson is: Don't comment on things unless you have absolute real world experience on the subject at hand.
Don't comment based on pure hopes and expectation.

I tend to take with a grain of salt the comments like "I've ran 4 trillion rounds through mine and never had a single FTF." People defend their buying decisions, that's just human nature.

My decision to sell my nearly-new PM9 goes deeper than that - it goes to my fear that Kahr's refusal to admit they have issue with their PM9 does not bode well for their future success.

Toyota recently learned that lesson when they attempted to ignore the sudden acceleration issues they had. They waited too long and before you know if the problem snowballed to the point that it became much bigger than it actually was, with customers likely blaming them for what was really driver error. Toyota eventually recognized this and changed their tune to say: "We're sorry we let our customers down and we're working night and day to re-earn your trust."

I have tried hard not to seek revenge here for the problems I had with my $835 Kahr PM9/CT. This especially given that their very honorable dealer made me whole. But my conscience won't allow me to not talk about what I know.

[Atilla]

I tend to take with a grain of salt the comments like "I've ran 4 trillion rounds through mine and never had a single FTF." People defend their buying decisions, that's just human nature.

My decision to sell my nearly-new PM9 goes deeper than that - it goes to my fear that Kahr's refusal to admit they have issue with their PM9 does not bode well for their future success.

Toyota recently learned that lesson when they attempted to ignore the sudden acceleration issues they had. They waited too long and before you know if the problem snowballed to the point that it became much bigger than it actually was, with customers likely blaming them for what was really driver error. Toyota eventually recognized this and changed their tune to say: "We're sorry we let our customers down and we're working night and day to re-earn your trust."

I have tried hard not to seek revenge here for the problems I had with my $835 Kahr PM9/CT. This especially given that their very honorable dealer made me whole. But my conscience won't allow me to not talk about what I know.

Please feel free to unburden your soul of any resentment you are holding in. It's toxic. The jury is still out with my case of the PM9 that died after 25 rounds. If they take care of me, and it really lasts for thousands of rounds, I'll be a convert. I doubt I'll even consider EDC until I have 500 rounds flawless through it. I shoot a lot, train a lot, and understand guns are mechanical devices. Springs and few other parts are expected to be replaced and moving parts need cleaning and lubrication. It's good your dealer took the hit and made you whole. But I really appreciate a good gun dealer and hate to see them pay for a manufacturer's bad product. I can see Kahr having serious PR problems. Just one or 2 bad CS experiences can affect a whole community of potential customers. When Ruger recalled the LCP, they sent me a prepaid label for shipping, with an apology.....did the work and in 2 weeks I had the gun back, plus a zippered case and an extra mag with extension. That little barker has over 2000 rounds through it and I did replace the recoil springs with some heavier ones, but once I found the right ammo it has been flawless. I can only hope Kahr does as good a job with my PM9.

[Hank Hill]

Please feel free to unburden your soul of any resentment you are holding in. It's toxic. The jury is still out with my case of the PM9 that died after 25 rounds. If they take care of me, and it really lasts for thousands of rounds, I'll be a convert. I doubt I'll even consider EDC until I have 500 rounds flawless through it. I shoot a lot, train a lot, and understand guns are mechanical devices. Springs and few other parts are expected to be replaced and moving parts need cleaning and lubrication. It's good your dealer took the hit and made you whole. But I really appreciate a good gun dealer and hate to see them pay for a manufacturer's bad product. I can see Kahr having serious PR problems. Just one or 2 bad CS experiences can affect a whole community of potential customers. When Ruger recalled the LCP, they sent me a prepaid label for shipping, with an apology.....did the work and in 2 weeks I had the gun back, plus a zippered case and an extra mag with extension. That little barker has over 2000 rounds through it and I did replace the recoil springs with some heavier ones, but once I found the right ammo it has been flawless. I can only hope Kahr does as good a job with my PM9.

My femail response from Kahr about how long my gun would be there for repairs (3 weeks at that point) was reponded to with a political chase-your-tail-ask-three-tiumes-to-get-an-answser type e-mail from them telling me my gun is in "queue" for repairs. Well that didn't answer my question. When my next e-mail asked him for an estimated time for repairs went unanswered, I knew it was time to replace the gun. Which I did.

My spideysenses tell me to see if Kahr Arms is publicly traded, then short them. Might make a few bucks on it.

[Seahawk60]

i recently bought a ruger 10/22 which is arguably the most used 22 in the world and is renowned for its reliability. mine was bad out of the box. had to do a full takedown and reassemble with some "cleaning up" of poorly tooled parts.

Why would you go through all that BS instead of exchanging it or sending it back to Ruger to be fixed properly? Sounds like it was brand new since you said "out of the box".

[Atilla]

I will say Kahr CS did all they could for me and my busted PM9. Why it broke after 25 rounds is beyond me. Eoin sent me an email this morning saying the gunsmith replaced the trigger bar and it test fired fine. I will have it back tomorrow--turnaround in 4 business days. He also said I should get a refund for my shipping charge.

So Kahr CS is A+ for me so far, especially if the PM9 is reliable.

Now why the thing broke, and how long it will take me to regain confidence in it is another matter. I have seen posts here and on 2 other forums concerning PM9 trigger bars. My MK9 has never had such problems (knock on wood)--I wonder if the part and attendant springs are exactly the same?

[Bawanna]

It may be premature but I'm logging this one in as a happy ending. The trigger bar was suspect to many of us layman here. There's apparently been a few bad ones let out the door.
Also proves once again that contrary to what many folks think Kahr will make things right given half a chance.
One less valium I'll have to take today, I'm borderline filled with joy due to this happy report.
Hope she gives you nothing but love and restores your confidence very quickly.

[Hank Hill]

It may be premature but I'm logging this one in as a happy ending. The trigger bar was suspect to many of us layman here. There's apparently been a few bad ones let out the door.
Also proves once again that contrary to what many folks think Kahr will make things right given half a chance.
One less valium I'll have to take today, I'm borderline filled with joy due to this happy report.
Hope she gives you nothing but love and restores your confidence very quickly.

It doesn't explain why Kahr had taken 3 weeks on mine an d all they could tell me was it was "in queue," still.

[Bawanna]

Guess I was premature, I better double up on the valium, and drift away for a week or so to gather my thoughts and see if I can locate what little might be left of my mind.

I'll be 10 10 on the side.........................

[wyntrout]

They've had my PM45 since the 20th (fourth trip... third was to replace slide... and the barrel) and I haven't heard anything, yet. I kind of expected it to just show up today. It got a new trigger bar the second trip. back, along with a new slide(poorly engraved) and recoil spring assembly. It was having occasional light primer strikes and the trigger not resetting properly. Now it eats magazines.:D
I think they maybe waiting until they assemble the right people and the celestial alignment for the exorcism... or something.
I did get a new toy delivery today... LG Prime cell phone to play with. The dang thing has a MICRO USB port for data and charging. I had just ordered a bunch of mini-USB cables and adapters.<sigh>:rolleyes:
Wynn:D

[RogerP9fan]

Hey Wynn! You're the first person to mention the same type failure I'm having with my P9. TFTR Trigger failing to reset. (I just made up the new acronym) but I'm certainly not making up the upsetting failure. Now, I see it happened to a Kahr veteran here. What causes this failure? My slide was also poorly engraved.
It's going back to Kahr and I hope they treat me with the same fairness and good customer service as our friend here. My P9 is new with only 200 rounds. This way I'll have a happy report to give and I won't contribute to Bawanna developing a valium addiction. We don't want anything bad to happen to him as we all like him very much.

[Bawanna]

I'm speechless. I feel a bit like Sally Fields. They like me, they really like me.

Kahr will take care of you my new BFF. I have no doubt. Your failure is most likely a trigger bar. Been a few bad ones. The secret is to avoid frustration, play with some of your other toys, exercise patience and work with Kahr, valium can't hurt. We've been hearing of some issues recently which contributes alot to my depression. I know the gun can and will be fixed but some guys just can't accept a trip or two back. It ain't right and it shouldn't have to happen but these little guns take a little tweaking sometimes. I think or at least I hope Kahr is tightening up a bit on the quality control also as we seem to go longer with fewer complaints or at least what we hear about here.

Its all good, send a email to the new Eion or however he spells his name. Describe your issues and send er in. Keep us posted.

Thanks much for your concern for my well being also, you've saved an otherwise dreadful and stressful day. I think I can sleep drug free tonight.

[tyrobins]

Hooray Kahr! Hope the pistol works like a dream for you Atilla.

[Atilla]

Just got it back, no range time today, ran some snap caps through and seems fine. Will blast 200 fmj tomorrow to begin break-in period all over. I know they say 200, I say 500+, especially after the trigger bar debacle. The trigger bar seems to be a real problem from what I read here and elsewhere. Since it's not a 'safety issue' (like Ruger's LCP recall)) I doubt they risk liability for not recalling for the trigger bar. It just hurts reputation to keep reading about people with trigger bar/spring problems.

[jocko]

Just got it back, no range time today, ran some snap caps through and seems fine. Will blast 200 fmj tomorrow to begin break-in period all over. I know they say 200, I say 500+, especially after the trigger bar debacle. The trigger bar seems to be a real problem from what I read here and elsewhere. Since it's not a 'safety issue' (like Ruger's LCP recall)) I doubt they risk liability for not recalling for the trigger bar. It just hurts reputation to keep reading about people with trigger bar/spring problems.

the trigger bar is not a pandemic issue either. We have probalby seen maybe a dozen on this forum since it started up. Did they tell you what they did??/Was it the trigger bar?? Would be nice to know..Hoepfully you willbe good to bo.

[Hank Hill]

Took my new G26 (which replaced my new PM9) to the range for the first time today. Not so much as a hiccup.

Since this mystery seems to have been solved, and since I don't want to just be a burr under y'all's saddle...and since I have no further reason to be a member of a Kahr forum, I will bid you ado and close my account.

I appreciate all of your advice.

[Atilla]

The paperwork that came with the returned PM9 said replaced trigger bar test fired fine.

[jocko]

The paperwork that came with the returned PM9 said replaced trigger bar test fired fine.

the forum crew guessed that issue correctly. Glad they got it fixed for you. Now just go out and shoot it like you stole it...

[jocko]

Took my new G26 (which replaced my new PM9) to the range for the first time today. Not so much as a hiccup.

Since this mystery seems to have been solved, and since I don't want to just be a burr under y'all's saddle...and since I have no further reason to be a member of a Kahr forum, I will bid you ado and close my account.

I appreciate all of your advice.

for leaving the forum in style. Many would leave with their final post a real doozy. U chose to be professional in your comments. the G26 is one hell of a handgun. It will serve you well..

[Seahawk60]

Took my new G26 (which replaced my new PM9) to the range for the first time today. Not so much as a hiccup.

Since this mystery seems to have been solved, and since I don't want to just be a burr under y'all's saddle...and since I have no further reason to be a member of a Kahr forum, I will bid you ado and close my account.

I appreciate all of your advice.

You'll be back. Kahr pistols are just too sweet to not have at least one in your collection. :D

[Atilla]

You'll be back. Kahr pistols are just too sweet to not have at least one in your collection. :D


I tend to agree, with all their quirks and even with my PM9 not lasting one range session, there are no other full power pocket autos. If XD or Glock came out with a single stack small auto Kahr would really have to scramble.

[Jeremiah/Az]

I have a PM9 & a Glock 26. Maybe Mr. Hill didn't CC his 26, but it is not even close to the PM9 for CC. The 26 is like carryin' a fence post around with you! & that's the "little" Glock!

[Atilla]

Put 250+ wwb fmj through the repaired PM9. One mag had first round nosedive on charging (using hold open lever) about 120 rounds in. Other than that flawless. Between my MK9 and the PM9 I have 7 mags, 3 of which pop out completely when released. Same mags in the MK all drop out on release. Cleaned and lubed gun and mags with same results. Must be a Tupperware thing. The good mags are for CC, others for the range til ejects improve. I feel the PM9 is good for EDC at this point, taking a class with it next Monday. Currently loaded with Speer LE +P which 20 rounds fired fine, as did Corbon Powerball and Hydrashoks.

[joshh]

nice, glad to hear that the guys in woostah took care of it for ya. lnock on wood but i know of 3 brand new "Compliant" pm9's that have been flawless (1st was mine). i live 10 min from factory and would drop mine off personally if i had to. kahr has no competition in this class and therefore supply & demand is affecting things. hope all is well with your pm9 now.

[Seahawk60]

nice, glad to hear that the guys in woostah took care of it for ya.

I thought it was Werrrr chester. :p