Is Kahr Talk a turn off to some

[DJK11]

I recommend Kahr pistols to everyone I talk guns with. Most never heard of them. When they cruise the web and find this site their turned off. So, is all the negativity here giving Kahr any justice?

[jeepster09]

Negativity here?
They have never heard of Kahr? Do they know what a gun is?

[Tilos]

I often post links to KahrTalk in other forums.
Many times it's in a thread where the OP is having problems with a Kahr and the link I post is to a thread here that has dealt with and resolved the specific problem.

My post/link is most often ignored, with the OP just continuing to whine about the problem/the gun/Kahr.
:confused:

[ltxi]

Negativity here?
They have never heard of Kahr? ..........


Ditto

[dustnchips]

There are complaints on here, but if they take the time to read the whole thread they will see that most problems are solved. I do think that most people on here are picky about how their guns run because they depend on them. This is not true of all shooters and I think that most people own the Kahrs to carry them. Casual range shooters will not worry about the occasional malfunction. This forum is full of problem solvers and answers to what ails Kahrs. If a forum full of answers is a turnoff let them go elsewhere.

[deadeye]

I thought that was why the forum is here. To discuss Kahr guns. If someone is having a problem this is the place to take it. There are very many knowledgeable people here who are friendly and willing to lend a hand. I hate to say it but all Kahrs are not perfect and sometimes we need a little help. (I wouldn't say that about a Glock on the Glock forum or a Colt on Arfcom for fear of being banned!!!):D.

[Bobshouse]

I don't know whats going on but I just did a search for the user "deadeye" and it said "user cannot be found."

I personally love my Kahrs and am hoping santa brings me a PM9 for Christmas to go with my P380 and CM45!!

[SlowBurn]

You think there's a lot of ******* here, check out the Ruger LCP forum sometime. And there's probably 10 LCPs for every Kahr out there. Anyway my theory is that Kahr is by choice a smaller company than Glock or Ruger. They're not producing or trying to produce as many guns as bigger gun makers, and they're selling em about as fast as they turn them out, so I wouldn't worry about Kahr. I do worry a little about potential owners denying themselves a sweet carry gun by paying too much attention to negativity on the web. They're missing out.

[JohnR]

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[Charlie98]

I don't think Kahr has the name recognition like, say, Glock or Ruger, certainly not S&W or Colt. Although they produce many different pistols, 90% of them are for, basically, carry purposes, so that puts them in a niche. If Kahr made rifles, shotguns, revolvers and other stuff, they would have a broader appeal and, by default, more name recognition. Also, the poly auto market is flooded with suitable candidates; looking for a suitable pistol in the vein of a CW9? There are likely 20 direct competitors... that's a lot of competition.

It's interesting to note, I have a Ruger revolver that I'm having some serious problems with, posting about it on other forums I'm pretty much ignored, or ridiculed... because Ruger makes the best revolvers evarrr, don't you know. I've always found a fair reception here at KahrTalk. One other thing that might be a turn-off is the lack of participation... KT does not have the post volume some of the bigger sites do; I'm OK with that, but people looking for instant answers will go to where the action is.

[Armybrat]

I usually tell the negative nancys that if I let internet chatter dictate what firearms I should buy for self defense, then my choice of weapon would be a Louisville slugger.

Then there are still those gunnuts around who deride the Kahr brand as "Moonie" guns. Most likely those guys would be thrilled to own a Nazi-marked Luger, a commie Marakov, or Imperial Japanese Nambu. Go figure.

This is a great forum and is one of the best moderated that I have ever had the privilege to join. That is based on my Internet experience since 1998 and accumulating in excess of 100,000 posts on scores of forums of all types. (a couple dozen of those posts over the decades have actually been worthwhile to read too) :yo:

[dustnchips]

but people looking for instant answers will go to where the action is.
I find you get pretty quick answers on this forum.

[340pd]

Kahrs seem to be somewhat like Kimbers. Some love them, some are skeptical, and some believe all the negative posts on the internet. I see very few Kahrs on my range and all but one of them have performed flawlessly. The owner of the CW45 as well as a few of our range officers, continues to have an assortment of reliability issues even though the gun has been back to Kahr three times. I also have a customer that has dents in his forehead from his Kimber 1911's ejection issues regardless of ammo choice. That gun also has been returned twice to no avail.
Odd little things like this hit the internet and opinions are formed. I have owned both and never an issue, in fact my PM9 is a stellar performer and is the crash test dummy when I consider a new handload.

Kimber has the advantage because of their huge advertising program.

[berettabone]

Most people in this neck of the woods don't even know what a Kahr is. They do sell them here and there, but for the most part they are an unknown. I show people mine on occasion and they are intrigued, but I get the feeling that since it's not HK, or SIG, or S&W or Ruger, they're lost. It's ok I guess and most companies continue to have their issues, none have been immune. You just have to do your due diligence when purchasing a firearm, and weed out the comments from people who are definitely not even close to understanding the workings of firearms, or shouldn't even own one in the first place. I too was ignorant of Kahr until I saw one in a store. Purchased mine new online and took a chance. Has turned out to be a great(but friggen stiff still) firearm for my carry purposes. They are all tools which can be fixed. Occasionally you get a booger that just doesn't want to run, but for the most part, many of the complaints come from people with little or no working knowledge of firearms. Most of the time, if you find something that works for you, you'll be ok. We are actually lucky that we have forums, as to not be running to a gunsmith every time we have an issue.

[yqtszhj]

but people looking for instant answers will go to where the action is.
I find you get pretty quick answers on this forum.
This right here ^^^

I've had good luck with my Kahrs. Out of 7 I've only had one that had an issue. My CW45 had the short frame rail problem but the gun still worked ok and Kahr replaced the frame for free. My Kahrs eat anything and work even limp wristing them.

Now I had a Beretta nano and Bersa with fail to extract issues that couldn't be resolved. They're gone now.
Of 2 Glocks that are both gone now one that had chronic fail to feed issues. 50% perfection.
Had a Ruger LC9s Pro that came with the sights out of whack that I had to fix.
My RIA 1911's wont extract steel case ammo.

[mark7mod0]

For me, I only knew about the more expensive Kahr firearms till I found a CW380 for $202 on the Tombstone website. I bought it and was not a happy camper. Out of the box....I liked my Bersa 380 much better. It turned out to be a pretty good firearm, but after finding a CM9 and buying it , I am now recommending it to everyone I know as a great EDC firearm.

[Ed M]

As I see it, part of the "turn off" problem may stem from when someone comes here looking for help with their firearm, and instead, people here try to steer them to a different firearm.

How would you feel if you were in their shoes?

Maybe we should be helping them find a fix that is often an easy fix that they can do themselves.

Sending a gun back to Kahr is always an option, but they probably don't need our help for that......

[Armybrat]

This right here ^^^

I've had good luck with my Kahrs. Out of 7 I've only had one that had an issue. My CW45 had the short frame rail problem but the gun still worked ok and Kahr replaced the frame for free. My Kahrs eat anything and work even limp wristing them.



Say, what's this "short frame rail problem"? I've got a CW45 - but it's workin' great.

[Armybrat]

For me, I only knew about the more expensive Kahr firearms till I found a CW380 for $202 on the Tombstone website. I bought it and was not a happy camper. Out of the box....I liked my Bersa 380 much better. It turned out to be a pretty good firearm, but after finding a CM9 and buying it , I am now recommending it to everyone I know as a great EDC firearm.

My 1st Kahr was a PM9 - bought it not long after they were introduced. Nice reliable little gun, but a bit too thick for comfortable pocket carry, so gifted it to my son several years ago. Have pocket carried an LCP & a CT380 ever since.
Also have a CW45 that gets carried in a jacket pocket during our brief cold weather, but it is being replaced by my new CW9 for IWB carry. The .45 is gettin' too hard on my wrists anyway, so son will have a surprise Christmas present.

[ltxi]

My 1st Kahr was a PM9 - bought it not long after they were introduced..........

Me, too. I'd been familiar Kahr Arms since about their inception but the PM9 was form factor that prompted me to buy my first. Followed that with an MK9 and a K9. All good guns and still they far best semi-auto "revolvers" on the market in my opinion.

[lantern]

To be blunt. I don't trust a site that is based off a company that makes machines that has little to no complaint threads. The internet is full of sites ran by fanboys that beat down ANY member that dares to say anything less than spectacular things about the weapons made by whatever manufacturer is associated with the site. I respect that this forum is filled with more folks trying to help others instead of a group of people singing nothing but praise and suppressing any negative thought.

[Armybrat]

We all like to ***** about Kahr magazines, so that's a common thread amongst us. And some of us are still complaining about a lack of a K45 in the Kahr lineup.

kahr customer service has been a frequent target here too.

Personally, after reading a number of gripes about the CW380 in these forums, I bought the somewhat larger CT380 for easier handling.

[Barth]

We all like to ***** about Kahr magazines, so that's a common thread amongst us. And some of us are still complaining about a lack of a K45 in the Kahr lineup.

kahr customer service has been a frequent target here too.

Personally, after reading a number of gripes about the CW380 in these forums, I bought the somewhat larger CT380 for easier handling.

I like to think of it as more of a well meant suggestion for a potential new model :cool:
Not really a complaint.
I'm very happy with my MK40 Elite :D

As for turn off???
It seems to me that Kahr is kind of a niche gun.
Not everyone is aware of them.
And this is one of the smaller, less active, forums compared to some others.
Like someone else stated, I'm quick to recommend KahrTalk to members of other forums when they have questions about Kahr guns :D

[RolandD]

I didn't realize that Kahr had a value line, either, when I first started looking for a CCW weapon, and had lumped them in with Kimber in my head. Plus, I heard a lot of horror stories about unreliability and ammo finickiness.

As my research progressed, I found much the same complaints about all of the small handguns available and realized that most of it was user error.

That lead me to reaccess Kahr and my new found knowledge gave me the confidence the purchase one.


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[b4uqzme]

I heard a lot of bad stuff before I bought my first Kahr. Actually, it was this forum that helped me decide to go ahead. I guess you need to be able to filter thru the bs and make your own decision. It’s a shame that some cannot do that. They are probably missing out.

Funny. Despite the usual complaints, I’ve always considered this a very positive place. I recall some time ago a string of brand bashing. That was met with some grumpy replies. Otherwise, this forum is pretty darn pleasant.

[yqtszhj]

To be blunt. I don't trust a site that is based off a company that makes machines that has little to no complaint threads. The internet is full of sites ran by fanboys that beat down ANY member that dares to say anything less than spectacular things about the weapons made by whatever manufacturer is associated with the site. I respect that this forum is filled with more folks trying to help others instead of a group of people singing nothing but praise and suppressing any negative thought.

Good first post and Welcome!

What gets me is some Major firearm sites that actually in their "rules" state that members cannot post any grievances about the firearms. They'll ban you before you blink an eye.

[yqtszhj]

Say, what's this "short frame rail problem"? I've got a CW45 - but it's workin' great.

This post describes it. As normal Greg did an excellent job.
http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?1612-CW45-(and-other-poly-Kahr-pistols)-issues-and-fixes&p=306968#post306968

It's post 72 in the link in case it doesn't come up right.

[mark7mod0]

As I see it, part of the "turn off" problem may stem from when someone comes here looking for help with their firearm, and instead, people here try to steer them to a different firearm.

How would you feel if you were in their shoes?

Maybe we should be helping them find a fix that is often an easy fix that they can do themselves.

Sending a gun back to Kahr is always an option, but they probably don't need our help for that......

In all my posts about a CW 380 I just tell MY story and how it was not the right firearm for me. This is the point I try to make when someone posts about problems with their Kahr. My point being..the one Kahr a member has, may not be the best Kahr for them. I always recommend shooting the crap out of it to ensure you 1....break it in, and 2... get use to the gun. They (the value series) are cheap enough that it may to a persons benefit to buy a different Kahr and compare them as to which is better for EDC or range shooting. I bought a CW 380 for $202 and sold it for a profit and bought a CM9 for less than I sold the CW for, and I have a great firearm that is perfect for me. I have bought other guns that I could not get use to and never bought from the same manufacture, only to discover another gun they produced really was a good choice for me. A Beretta Nano being the first off the top of my head. Hated it, but some years later bought a 92f and am highly satisfied with it. So all I am saying is Kahr, like every firearm manufacture makes several models and finding the best one for you may require time and patience ....and maybe another purchase from Kahr.

[Ed M]

Oh, I understand your reasoning well.

The point I was trying to make was that someone chose their gun for a reason(s).

They come here looking for help getting it to perform the way it should, and make no mention of doubting their decision to buy that particular firearm.

Instead of offering the help they asked for, we instead offer our own experience in making a wrong decision about what we bought.

This might appear to a new Kahr owner that they made a bad decision to buy one, and could just as easily lead them to another brand, instead of choosing another Kahr down the road that better suits their needs.

We can over think this a lot of ways, but just giving someone the support they specifically asked for might be wise. JMHO.

[Bawanna]

Sadly many new kahr owners come here looking for help and guidance and when given they don't want to accept it or feel it should be unnecessary.

My favorite is the ones that feel that no gun should require a break in period and they should run any ammo they can find especially cheap imported steel case junk.

Every gun needs a break in period if for no other reason than for the owner and the gun to get acquainted. Kahr is one of the few that comes out honestly and says so from the get go.

There's plenty of help here for anyone that needs it.

[AJBert]

I need some help cutting and splitting firewood being as my left elbow is painful as all get out, though the cortazone shots help for a little while. Getting an MRI next week and then more than likely surgery.

So, can a brother get some help???









Oh, wait, gun help, right? Well, I could always use help in getting funds together to add to my now long lost collection. It was such a nice collection, too. Avalanche took them all.

[ltxi]

Sadly many new kahr owners come here looking for help and guidance and when given they don't want to accept it or feel it should be unnecessary.

My favorite is the ones that feel that no gun should require a break in period and they should run any ammo they can find especially cheap imported steel case junk.

Every gun needs a break in period if for no other reason than for the owner and the gun to get acquainted. Kahr is one of the few that comes out honestly and says so from the get go.

There's plenty of help here for anyone that needs it.

'Cept for dem 50+ year ago gov't issue 1911s. Loose and ready to go to accomodate the recruits.

[Bawanna]

I need some help cutting and splitting firewood being as my left elbow is painful as all get out, though the cortazone shots help for a little while. Getting an MRI next week and then more than likely surgery.

So, can a brother get some help???









Oh, wait, gun help, right? Well, I could always use help in getting funds together to add to my now long lost collection. It was such a nice collection, too. Avalanche took them all.

We could works as a team, my right elbow is aggravating me. No Cortisone for this kid. Trouble is I can't do nothing with my left hand. Ambidextrous I am NOT. But yeah I'll help.

[mattallamerican]

I don't think Kahr has the name recognition like, say, Glock or Ruger, certainly not S&W or Colt. Although they produce many different pistols, 90% of them are for, basically, carry purposes, so that puts them in a niche. If Kahr made rifles, shotguns, revolvers and other stuff, they would have a broader appeal and, by default, more name recognition. Also, the poly auto market is flooded with suitable candidates; looking for a suitable pistol in the vein of a CW9? There are likely 20 direct competitors... that's a lot of competition.

It's interesting to note, I have a Ruger revolver that I'm having some serious problems with, posting about it on other forums I'm pretty much ignored, or ridiculed... because Ruger makes the best revolvers evarrr, don't you know. I've always found a fair reception here at KahrTalk. One other thing that might be a turn-off is the lack of participation... KT does not have the post volume some of the bigger sites do; I'm OK with that, but people looking for instant answers will go to where the action is. seems like a dead forum to me

[mattallamerican]

I cant wait to fire mine