I Ain't Never Gonna Buy Another Kahr

[ltxi]

Been following the Shot Show postings and thinking about how Kahr's trying to do neat new things. Problem is, IMO they perfected the DA semi-auto years ago. Done gone and future proofed themselves/their products. I have three Kahrs....PM9, Mk9, and a K9. I've owned them for years. They're in the realm of only, at the most, a half dozen guns I own I've never felt the need for design mprovement or working on. Work perfectly and fulfill every need I have or ever will for a gun in this niche. I don't know whether to congratulate Justin Moon or feel sorry for him. Congratulate him, I think.

[b4uqzme]

Agreed. Between a P40 and a PM9, that’s all I’ve carried for a long time. And there’s a CW45 that lives in the Jeep. They are about perfect for me. Maybe them new colors attract some new owners. That would be good. But I am set.

[DavidR]

If they ever make a 380 that consistently works right out of the box I’ll buy one of those.


Dave

[Bobshouse]

That's where he made his mistake, the money is in the upgrades, all gun manufacturers know that!

[Armybrat]

Maybe Justin ought to spend some effort to improving the magazines that seem to be problematic for so many owners.

All my Kahrs otherwise need no improving or upgrading... PM9, CW45, CW9, and CT380.

[O'Dell]

I doubt that I'll be in the market for another Kahr, or any other gun for that matter, anytime soon. I have a PM9, MK40, CW45, and CM45 now, and though I wouldn't want to part with any of them, I don't feel the need for another one. The same goes for the rest of my collection. I wouldn't sell any gun I own, but I don't have the need for anything else.

[kenemoore]

The only new Kahr I would be interested in would be a K45, all stainless .45 ACP, same frame as the K9 only in 45.

[JohnR]

I don't see why they don't try a double stack 9mm.

[yqtszhj]

Kahr 9mm's are awesome. I'd love to have a K9 and MK9 and might get one some day. Ive never had a problem with my cw380 either. .45's are nice too.

I'd buy a double stack 9 ftom Kahr or the allusive K45. Either would be nice.

And no matter what some may say Kahr has one of the nicest SD triggers out there, IMHO.

[CPTKILLER]

Kahr needs to be innovative and not sit on its laurels. Otherwise, the company will suffer.

I understand R&D costs and capital budgets but at some point, they need to move out of their comfort zone. Failing to be innovative will be the end of Kahr as a great US company.

[Bawanna]

I'd step up for a T45 too but a K45 would be dandy.

Right now the two items tugging mostly at my heart strings is a Vaquero in 45acp cause Itxi has one and one of them ugly 1911's with the pin up girls engraved in the slide, not ugly to me, I got plenty of 1911's but I want one of those in a bad way.

I personally hope Kahr doesn't waste time or effort on anything but perfecting or improving what they have. This doesn't just mean pretty colors or cosmetics. As Greg mentioned I'd love to see a metal insert for the slide lock spring lever to screw into instead of Tupperware, same with the side plate screw. Address the magazines although I've never had issues as others have.

There's plenty of double stack wonder 9's out there for the spray and pray types. For those who seek harms way officially get one of those. For the rest of us who just want to protect themselves their families or in my case anybody else that needs it, the Kahrs are enough. It's not girlyman to run and hide to live to be a warrior another day.

[JohnR]

Kahr needs to be innovative and not sit on its laurels. Otherwise, the company will suffer like Colt.

Wink, wink.

As for a double stack, I doubt I'd buy one either, but there's a massive hole in the market for a "full size" "duty weapon" with a trigger like Kahr's. There are a few DA/SA guns of that size, but everything else has a light short trigger with the parking brake in the middle.

[Longitude Zero]

been following the shot show postings and thinking about how kahr's trying to do neat new things. Problem is, imo they perfected the da semi-auto years ago. Done gone and future proofed themselves/their products. I have three kahrs....pm9, mk9, and a k9. I've owned them for years. They're in the realm of only, at the most, a half dozen guns i own i've never felt the need for design mprovement or working on. Work perfectly and fulfill every need i have or ever will for a gun in this niche. I don't know whether to congratulate justin moon or feel sorry for him. Congratulate him, i think.

lol!!!

[Longitude Zero]

Wink, wink.

As for a double stack, I doubt I'd buy one either, but there's a massive hole in the market for a "full size" "duty weapon" with a trigger like Kahr's. There are a few DA/SA guns of that size, but everything else has a light short trigger with the parking brake in the middle.

They would be decades late and dollars short. They are smart not to invade a realm they have no chance of succeeding in. Duty weapons is NOT a Kahr area of fortitude but a fools paradise. They are doing fine as they are. If anybody thinks they can do better than Justin then open your own company.

[ltxi]

Kahr needs to be innovative and not sit on its laurels. Otherwise, the company will suffer.

I understand R&D costs and capital budgets but at some point, they need to move out of their comfort zone. Failing to be innovative will be the end of Kahr as a great US company.

What do you see as someting innovative they could accomplish in this niche they effectively created? They improved their guns as needed back in the early days and, to my mind, perfected them. So where do they go? Change for the sake of "new and improved" change marketing benefits no one.

It's like the current state of the 1911. Kimber upset the market with relatively inexpensive guns that just worked right out of the box 20 odd years ago. Then came some years of better "goodness" from other manufacturers. Today, it's pretty much all been done...at least wrt the mainstream. Other than 9mm chamberings, I haven't seen any offerings I'd need to consider for years.

[berettabone]

It does seem as if the firearm industry has hit rock bottom as far as innovations or "new" handguns. They've plum run out of ideas. Now, they are just getting fugly. Besides customization, what can they really improve on. Kahr should stick to what they do. They could make better quality magazines. They STILL have one of the best defensive triggers on the market, and have had for quite some time. Shooting no full size hanguns for a while, I've had a chance to shoot many conceal carry size firearms, and have felt many triggers over the years. If any other manufacturer could copy that design/trigger or something similar, as to not get sued, Kahr would be in big trouble as far as competition, more so than now. Otherwise, it seems to be same ole same ole. A few new striker fires from companies as their first foray in to the striker market. Yawn..............................................

[jeepster09]

Wink, wink.

As for a double stack, I doubt I'd buy one either, but there's a massive hole in the market for a "full size" "duty weapon" with a trigger like Kahr's. There are a few DA/SA guns of that size, but everything else has a light short trigger with the parking brake in the middle.


Oh I don't know about that. Have you ever shot a 226 Sig Legion? Double stack, good trigger DA/SA full size.

[GLOCKROCKER]

I went to a gun show (One of the bigger shows in my area) and I hardly saw any Kahrs whatsoever for sale. A few years back almost every dealer had at least a few.

[Ikeo74]

I just pre ordered a Sig P365 9mm sub compact. Haven't got ot yet but when I do get it, I will compare to my MX9 and CM9. It will be interesting how it compares.

[GLOCKROCKER]

I just pre ordered a Sig P365 9mm sub compact. Haven't got ot yet but when I do get it, I will compare to my MX9 and CM9. It will be interesting how it compares.
I preordered 3weeks ago and mine came in today. Pics are posted in the Thread "The handgun of shotshow 2018" in Other Firearms. Got a couple comparing to CM9 and Glock 26 and 43. I think you're gonna like it!

[yqtszhj]

I preordered 3weeks ago and mine came in today. Pics are posted in the Thread "The handgun of shotshow 2018" in Other Firearms. Got a couple comparing to CM9 and Glock 26 and 43. I think you're gonna like it!
Uh oh, gotta go look now.

[lantern]

It's been addressed here, but I'll just second that I think they should work on the mags as well as their intergration with the gun....perhaps a pinky extension. Also, I think the 380s being so finicky have helped hurt their reputation in the gun world as many women like to carry 380 and they are NOT shy about telling other people about their bad experiences. They need to get on that. The 45 k series would be great, but while I'd be happy I feel like my wants are not enough to make them more money. I think a double stack 9mm is what they need to look into in polymer. They could use the slightly wider 45 slide profile to match a wider frame and cnc the slide to lose weight and look sweet.

[Barth]

The only new Kahr I would be interested in would be a K45, all stainless .45 ACP, same frame as the K9 only in 45.

+1
And everyone has heard me say it to nauseum.
K45 Elite would be a must buy item if produced.
Seems like it's never going to happen for some reason :confused:
It's odd to me as an all stainless single stack 45 would be one sweet pistol :cool:

I'm done buying guns, until a K45 arrives...
Is anyone listening?