Brand loyalty is a thing...

[MMyers1970]

I actually had someone who owns a SCCY tell me that the trigger on his SCCY was better than the trigger on a CW9. I get that people want to justify their purchases, but trigger pull quality is a quantifiable and determinable thing....

SCCY triggers are about 10 rough pounds...

[Bobshouse]

During an emergency you wouldn't even notice the difference. I actually prefer heavier triggers on my carry guns.

[dustnchips]

Brand loyalty is a good indicator of a closed mine.

[berettabone]

Or maybe, they have never felt a good trigger. It is subjective but when I have someone tell me that they have a good trigger on their Bersa, or their PPK, I know they've never felt a good trigger:p

[Longitude Zero]

brand loyalty is a good indicator of a closed mine.

lol.

[Longitude Zero]

Or maybe, they have never felt a good trigger. It is subjective but when I have someone tell me that they have a good trigger on their Bersa, or their PPK, I know they've never felt a good trigger:p

The only great/good trigger I ever shot was on a full house custom 1911. All other triggers are manageable.

[berettabone]

I've found that for me, the best triggers were always on hammer fired firearms, not striker fired.

[King Rat]

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[OldBoldPilot]

All of which is a very long way of saying "Different strokes for different folks".

[yqtszhj]

It seems that many think the lightest trigger out there is the best trigger. I have been looking for a new single stack 9mm to replace my LC9s. Why? I did not like the fact that the trigger was so light. First stage feels like the trigger spring is broke, just very loose, most likely would not even notice it under heavy stress. Second stage is short, quick and breaks like glass. I measured it with digital scale at 4 lbs. Most likely I will take a bashing even for just saying this. How dare you not want a Light Crisp Trigger! So what trigger is perfect? Have I ever shot a very very fine trigger? Yes, indeed I have shot a lot of triggers. Are light triggers for rifles different for pistols and revolvers. How about just shooting long distances vs combat short distances? Is military combat needs the same as urban CCW Combat needs for a modern day civilian CCW?
I have been shooting all my life. I have been CCW for the past 10 years. I find it amazing how so many times I go to the range and the vast majority of people are just target shooting their guns. You know, take some time to get the proper stance, take so much time to focus on the Bulls eye, take so much time squeezing the trigger. And many will of course l complain if the trigger is too long or heavy.
These folks are "TARGET SHOOTING". They are not training for real like situations of pulling the gun fast and hitting center mass. The longer you just try a squeeze a trigger for target shooting the harder it is. Yes, these target shooters need a light trigger. However in my experience, the longer heavier trigger in fast action shooting work just fine and in my new 9mm, I can actually shoot the with better accuracy in this fast shooting over my LC9S.
You say someone said they would not know the difference if they said a Bersa or PPK was a fine trigger. Suppose they could out shoot you? Supposedly they have trained over and over and totally competent with the double/single action etc? Are they wrong, and must start looking for a different trigger? How would you know they have never shot what you call a fine trigger.
I have both the Pico and the Kahr 380. Longer heavier pulls, that a LCPll but why can I actually shoot both the Pico and the Kahr better in combat shooting drills? Could it be the gun actually handles better? Could it be that I shoot at least weekly? Why do I have to have a lighter trigger?
I looked and shot many single stacks. I had narrowed my choice down to two. The Nano and the Kahr. I like both the guns. However I picked the Nano. Each had pros and Cons. I like the size of both. I liked the trigger for both. I simply choose the Nano, but would have no complaining at all if I had bought the Kahr. Now after shooting the Nano I have to say, I love this gun. The Trigger is neither too long or too short. The Pull weight is about 6.1 lbs. It is smooth, and deliberate. It fits me like a glove.
Bottom line is I shoot it better than the other gun with a short light crisp trigger.
I see post that some shooters are getting kits for their CCW that will go down to 3lbs of pull. That is fine, if you have to have a super light trigger, then so be it. I don't.

Have I ever shot a very nice trigger? Here is a Olympic style Pellet gun I owned. 6 way adjustable, down to a few ounces. Do I want this fine trigger for carry? No, but I bet some would.

https://i.imgur.com/PcpOXQC.jpg?1

I fired 600 rounds of mixed ammo in the first four session without a flaw. The recoil is very mild, and there was much less muzzle flip than the LC9S. Both are nice guns. However the Nano will be my CCW gun and I will use the Ruger for range shooting.

https://i.imgur.com/AG98249.jpg?4

Good post. I'm glad your nano works well. I had one (or I should say the wife did) that had fail to extract something terrable but I shot it very well. And yep target shooting isn't training for real life possibilities.

Like berettabone I like hammer fired DA/SA guns too. Probably for a strange reason. First I like double action anyway and It teaches good trigger control. Plus after shooting about 2000 rounds through a hk p30 I recently aquired (which runs flawless by the way) and getting good with a trigger that is well.... bad some would say in DA, I shoot everything else better, be it Glock, S&W M&P, revolvers, Kahr's, and my CZ's.

Its all about practice, sight picture, and trigger control in my opinion. Run about 3000 rounds through a gun with a challenging trigger and you'll be better for doing it. Of course I'm different than everyone else so feel free to disregard my comments if you dont agree.

[340pd]

I think it comes down to which trigger or trigger system is predictable and easily repeatable and in many cases the shape of the trigger has a lot of influence.
I have a real dislike for split triggers and have difficulty liking Glocks and even my ex M&P Shield. I really like the shape and feel of my Sig P226 and M11A1 (which I swapped the short reach trigger for that of a 226) and for some reason accurate rapid fire is a delight.

For my carry guns, until recently my PM9 trigger was the best match of feel and function as I do all my revolver shooting DA only and once you get used to the long pull it is an easy gun to get into proper firing rhythm.

Enter the Sig P365 which has the exact shape of my full sized Sigs and the shorter length of pull, carries an insane amount of ammo for its tiny size, and I am thinking I may have found a life partner. (don't worry folks as I have been to this movie more than once)

[berettabone]

Sometimes, the handgun world makes it very difficult to find a "good" trigger. I don't mind pull weight, as long it's within reason. I checked the trigger out on a S&W 38 sp. that a buddy has, and I could barely pull the trigger. It was ridiculously heavy. It surprised me. Length is an issue, but gritiness is an issue with many handgun triggers. I guess I am lucky in the sense that I have found my "good" triggers(or have perceived to). This doesn't lead me to be tempted to purchase the latest firearms out there for sale. IMHO, my MK has one of the best triggers out there. Smooth, light, a pull straight through type of trigger. I have found my favorite carry firearm. That is my HK P2SK. Holds 10, light enough to not be uncomfortable, set up with Big Dot sights, oversize mag release, grip modules for size change, the small is perfect for me. Then we get to the trigger. SA/DA, the DA pull is heavy, but perfect for me as far as weight, and has a feel that you can tell when it's going to fire. The single is what sells me. Some people like a go trigger, which has no slack. I prefer slack at the beginning, and then hitting the wall, which isn't heavy, but very feel oriented. If you have someone or something in your sights, and it's not a good situation, I prefer having that slack in case you get twitchy. I like knowing that when I hit that wall, the next tiny bit of squeeze and it goes. Kind of one more little safety before you commit. I have been carrying it for a long time, and still haven't found anything better for me, and I've tried. What ever trigger you prefer, it's nice to be able to find it. These new firearms that are coming out, just don't impress me as far as triggers. I guess that I may be a product of starting out with revolvers, and moving to da/sa firearms. The newer striker fired firearms just aren't doing much for me.:p

[O'Dell]

I've found that for me, the best triggers were always on hammer fired firearms, not striker fired.

The same goes for me.

[King Rat]

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[Ed M]

You racked the slide on a Pico 200 times? Whoa....

My LGS said that's why I got mine so cheap - nobody could rack the slide. No problem here!

Still have mine, still like it a lot. It's had exactly one FTE (Perfecta). Such a well made little beast.

Guess I still owe you....

[King Rat]

You racked the slide on a Pico 200 times? Whoa....

My LGS said that's why I got mine so cheap - nobody could rack the slide. No problem here!

Still have mine, still like it a lot. It's had exactly one FTE (Perfecta). Such a well made little beast.



Guess I still owe you....

Yes, at 25 sessions ea. I have one of the Pico's now that has so many flawless rounds, I stopped counting at 2500 and that was quite a while ago. I shoot it each week. Racking now is as easy as my Kahr. Excuse, me, I did have a failure to fire with a bad primer. However I knew it right away and the double strike did it's job and fired on the second shot.
I here so many people turned away from a nice gun for reasons as your LGS stated. If only folks like yourself understood that sometimes you have to make a investment in spending time with a gun. If you do, the rewards pay off in huge dividends. The Pico, Kahr and now the Nano are proving themselves to be top notch, high quality guns

[berettabone]

"folks like myself" wouldn't go that far. Calling some of these firearms "top notch" is going a bit too far. Wouldn't trust my life to a Pico or a Nano. Carry on................................................ ......

[ltxi]

Kahr's have the best DA revolver triggers ever. Never given any thought to trying to improve any of my three. And, because striker fired, they're even better than two of my slicked up J and K Frame Smiths.

Other than Kahr, I'll have no truck with other than "classic", hammer fired SA semi-autos.

[yqtszhj]

We bought one of the inital release nano's that had extractor issues back in probably 2012 or whenever they first came out. That's what you get for getting an initial release product I guess. Beretta tried to say at first it only liked 124 gr but that didn't work either. Probably put 800 rounds of various ammo through it and it worked when clean but after 3 mags fail to extract.

Beretta finally came out with a "new" extractor but it took them some years to do it but I read they worked well after that.. I was going to order it but met a guy who wanted it and by then the wife moved onto the RM380 and liked it better so away it went.

It was a good shooter though.

[RustyIron]

I actually had someone who owns a SCCY tell me that the trigger on his SCCY was better than the trigger on a CW9. I get that people want to justify their purchases, but trigger pull quality is a quantifiable and determinable thing...

Yeah... well... so? If your buddy tells me that the trigger on his gun is better than the trigger on my gun, I won't SAY anything, but I'll be thinking that when he shoots as good as me, then he will be qualified to express his opinion. But if he DOES shoot better with his gun than I do with mine, then... maybe I'll show him the respect of considering his opinion, but it still don't mean nothin'. Just remember, no matter how wonderful you think your Kahr is, there are any number of guys out there who can take their rusty old factory gun, and empty the magazine into the 10 ring in 2 seconds.

[King Rat]

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[ltxi]

^^ Back out to three meters and see if you can still get that same kind of grouping.

[King Rat]

^^ Back out to three meters and see if you can still get that same kind of grouping.

The indoor range has a 7 yard minimum. I guess you would not know that.

[King Rat]

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[Mike_usn_ret]

I just bought the new version of the Taurus PT111 Gen 2....the G2c because it was cheap and I need a back up gun for my P-07 while my CM9 spends the next two or three full moon cycles at the repair facility. Any trigger snob or anyone complaining about a trigger ....do not even go into a LGS that sells one of these! The DA/SA striker fired pistol is a still work in progress for this gun. However, I will say after a few range trips and a few fluff and buff recommendations and a simple mod or two from the Taurus forum the trigger is now pretty decent ...and it has a reset that even Kahr should look into producing.

[Bawanna]

I'm sure seeing a lot of those coming through here for checks. Lots of them. I don't know anything about them and haven't even seen one but there must be something about them. Everybody around here seems to be getting one.

[Mike_usn_ret]

I'm sure seeing a lot of those coming through here for checks. Lots of them. I don't know anything about them and haven't even seen one but there must be something about them. Everybody around here seems to be getting one.

I thought about another Kahr ...a CW9 this time, but to tell the truth, a little gun shy about a third Kahr...one the CW380 not fond of the ammo sensitivity and unable to manually rack the slide, then the CM9 which I like a lot, getting trigger problems with only a few hundred rds thru it. A Taurus was near the bottom of my list for a temp backup, but seeing a few at the range and going to the Taurus Forum and reading a vast majority of positive reviews i figured for the price a 12 rd CCW with DA/SA striker fired pistol was worth a try. I did not know ...Taurus has ended the lifetime warranty of their firearms though....that was another reason I figured I did not have a lot to lose buying the G2c.

[Ed M]

Own a PT111G2 for several years now. Mine's been great. Zero malfunctions.

I did nothing to the trigger - just lots of rounds down range, and it's pretty good. About a 5.5 lb pull, and the reset is very short.

Lakeline makes some really good aftermarket stuff for them. Nicest guide rod I've ever seen, and his sights are superb. He has stuff to make the trigger better on the G2 as well.

The ergos on the PT111G2 are excellent, and with the Lakeline upgrades, the reliability is a non-issue.

[kwh]

No problems with my Taurus g2 PT111, Kahr cm9, or CW9.

[Barth]

I actually had someone who owns a SCCY tell me that the trigger on his SCCY was better than the trigger on a CW9. I get that people want to justify their purchases, but trigger pull quality is a quantifiable and determinable thing....

SCCY triggers are about 10 rough pounds...

Better Trigger is a personal preference thing to me.
And more importantly - Better for what purpose?
Self Defense, bullseye, three gun competition...?

Some folks favor a heavy trigger for concealed carry.
Others like a 3.5 lbs SA 1911.
One size does not fit all...

[King Rat]

Good post. I'm glad your nano works well. I had one (or I should say the wife did) that had fail to extract something terrable but I shot it very well. And yep target shooting isn't training for real life possibilities.

Like berettabone I like hammer fired DA/SA guns too. Probably for a strange reason. First I like double action anyway and It teaches good trigger control. Plus after shooting about 2000 rounds through a hk p30 I recently aquired (which runs flawless by the way) and getting good with a trigger that is well.... bad some would say in DA, I shoot everything else better, be it Glock, S&W M&P, revolvers, Kahr's, and my CZ's.

Its all about practice, sight picture, and trigger control in my opinion. Run about 3000 rounds through a gun with a challenging trigger and you'll be better for doing it. Of course I'm different than everyone else so feel free to disregard my comments if you dont agree.

Thank you and I agree with you on any trigger requires dilligent practice. Once again, I moved to the Nano because the trigger on the LC9S was just too light, now about 4.1bs. and Broke quickly. Fine for target shooting. Not what I wanted with CCW. yes, practice with any trigger is the key. I have a LCR9mm that is now a regular at the range, really lousy shot when I first started two years ago, but with diligent training have come along way. Actually became fond of the trigger on this revolver. And recently bought the LCR22 which has a heavier trigger but as you say, with practice, you adjust. While the Pico has a strong trigger at about 8.1 on one of them and 8.4 on the other, I have really adjusted with so much training untill the point that they feel natural. Now lighter triggers feel almost to light.
Have been shooting the Nano the past few days, now over 800 rounds and running like a sewing machine. However when I got home I put it in my sonic cleaner and noticed the end cap of my recoil spring guide rod had come apart. Beretta puts a stainless steel rod in the Pico, don't know why they did not with the Nano. Regardless, I had purchased a Gallaway Stainless steel, and went ahead and put that in. So much better quality. Never been fond of plastic parts especially guide rods. I went through a number of them on my LCp's, but later put a stainless steel guide rod in and never a problem. And of course I put one in my Kahr.

Here is a stock photo of the recoil spring

https://i.imgur.com/Jit2Le3.jpg?1

Here is the guide rod where it split on both sides.

https://i.imgur.com/aPhmuV8.jpg?3

Ironically, I normally change out recoil springs at about 800 rounds.

https://i.imgur.com/0OPluvK.jpg?2
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[Mike_usn_ret]

Own a PT111G2 for several years now. Mine's been great. Zero malfunctions.

I did nothing to the trigger - just lots of rounds down range, and it's pretty good. About a 5.5 lb pull, and the reset is very short.

Lakeline makes some really good aftermarket stuff for them. Nicest guide rod I've ever seen, and his sights are superb. He has stuff to make the trigger better on the G2 as well.

The ergos on the PT111G2 are excellent, and with the Lakeline upgrades, the reliability is a non-issue.

Lakeline is great.....ordered the ss striker guide and a set of Fiber Optic sights for the G2c. Also asked Al about maybe looking into a mod or new mag housing that does away with the crazy design of having to cock the bottom plate ,then tilt the plate to get the spring out...he said might be a good thing to look into.

[King Rat]

^^ Back out to three meters and see if you can still get that same kind of grouping.

Ok, how about showing us some of your pics. That actually was beyond 7yds with a new gun. And yes the indoor range requires a 7 yd min. Actually I was not impressed with my own shooting. Groups were low when I first started, and the Big Holes were where I ended up. Today, I shot another 200 rounds making a 1000 rounds fired through the gun. And reliable as hell. I had put on a Dawson Fiber optic sight last night before range shooting today, and they were lower than OEM, as the Nano shot low.(grip or bore axis) With these sights they were dead on. I shot today at 10-12 yards and the gun shoots great, especially the more I handle it.

And to add to the targets here is the Pico at shooting fast action, with picking up form table and firing shots of double tap, two to each target and just mixing it up. I very seldom shoot Pocket Pistols, or small nines as target guns. Just center of mass as fast as possible. Goal to pickup up gun and shoot center mass in three seconds or under. Hit top target with double taps, bottom target same, then just mix it up. I rarely shoot a as a target gun.
https://i.imgur.com/m8H0qeY.jpg?1
And this pic of when I finished up that day, and a friend asked me to try out ARX ammo. Simply pulled the gun up and shot one fast mag.

https://i.imgur.com/cZ3Cqph.jpg?1

Original post of Nano when getting use to gun after years of shooting the LC9s

https://i.imgur.com/ritkD1n.jpg?5

And as far as BerettaBoner comments of "I would not trust my life to a Nano" fine. Then Lol, maybe he just cannot shoot. The gun shoots like a sewing machine a far as reliablity. Or maybe he just has a bone to pick?

i believe pocket guns and Small Nines should be with the emphasis on these statistics. That is why I belive in fast Point and shoot skills and training that way all the time.

https://i.imgur.com/w17xrTB.jpg?1

[gb6491]

...And as far as BerettaBone's comments of "I would not trust my life to a Nano" fine. Then Lol, maybe he just cannot shoot. The gun shoots like a sewing machine a far as reliablity. Or maybe he just has a bone to pick?
...
Perhaps neither: I bought a Nano when they first came out. I really liked the pistol except that mine was not reliable (had about 900 rounds through it).
The issue I was having was the gun would randomly fail to extract while feeding the next round up behind the spent case, making it hard to clear. Per discussion on the Beretta forum at the time, I wasn't the only one having this issue. Perhaps they've tweaked that some over the years, but I'm not inclined to revisit it. It's nice to read that yours is working well.
http://i42.tinypic.com/dyregx.jpg
Regards,
Greg

[King Rat]

Greg, I hear ya. While I have no experience with the early model Nano's, I did read about failures with extraction. And it appeared mosty with 115gr. ammo. And I was concerned when I purchased the gun that it would be a issue. I did talk to a few range friends that told me they were not having those issues, so I took the plunge. And on my first training sessions I brought in all about 7 or 8 types of ammo. I have to say I was relieved that the gun shot the 115 gr. with no problem. The only rounds that I had problems with were a cheap bulk reloads product that will have issues with all my 9mm's. (actually shooting it often to get ride of it). However everything else is shooting well no problems. I did place a 16lb Gallaway spring and of course it did not like the cheap reloads either as expected.
I suspect the Nano must have been tweaked, over the years. I have spent a lot of time on recent reviews and most seem to be shooting as well as my gun. I also feel that the Nano actually prefers hot ammo. It is already a mild shooter, but the hotter ammo seems to actually be better for control and it scores well for me on recent targets. Maybe I am just use to more recoil, could not tell you. In the next few months I plan to spend a lot of time with this gun. I will experiment with as many brands of ammo to find the best match for training as well as defense carry.
I understand that first run guns have problems. The Pico obviously did, and the upgraded models have proven very trustworthy. Both of mine have turned out to be totally reliable with thousands of rounds of mixed ammo.
I also look at internet gun issues with a grain of salt. My Khar CW380 has turned out to be very reliable with the RIGHT ammo and yet I hear of so many problems. Maybe I just got lucky. But like the Pico, I love the shooting characteristics and I love the build quality. I understand that some may not like the Nano, just like some maybe not prefer a Kahr, such is the nature of the world. I appreciate your kindly remarks. I shoot often and will possibly report again after the gun has 5,000 rds through it, which should be sometime this summer.
Thank you for your reply.

[Mike_usn_ret]

I also had a Nano, and my patience with it ran out after about 600 rounds thru it. FTE was the biggest problem, but would not feed properly a couple times out of a box of ammo. To me it was not on par with my other firearms as far as accuracy. Only reason I bought it was that was when the Shield was so hard to find and I wanted a small CCW and thought the Nano would be just as good....well it was a Beretta.....never heard any thing bad about one of them.

[berettabone]

Nano........Pico.......9000S...................... ...three of Beretta's biggest/only disappointments. After owning and shooting Beretta's for years. We'll see how their striker fired firearm does. I think that Beretta could do a lot better. I don't have any particular bone to pick, other than my original feelings about these/that firearm. FYI, I can't shoot:p

[DavidR]

My Nano was flawless for the first 400 rounds. Had 2 failures of the trigger to reset in the next 50 rounds. Been sitting in the safe ever since.

There’s a lot I liked about the pistol but it just doesn’t feel good in my hands so it will be sold at some point.

I much prefer my CM9.


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[King Rat]

Nano........Pico.......9000S...................... ...three of Beretta's biggest/only disappointments. After owning and shooting Beretta's for years. We'll see how their striker fired firearm does. I think that Beretta could do a lot better. I don't have any particular bone to pick, other than my original feelings about these/that firearm. FYI, I can't shoot:p

Yea, right, Cannot tell you about the 9000s, I do not own one, but the Nano and the Pico sure seem to be doing well. I did not even know you had owned the Pico or Nano, or did you ever? Sorry, but I wonder if you have ever even taking one down to look at the quality, much less owned one or even shot one. I have well over 5000 rounds through two Pico's and they are running like a sewing machine. And I would be glad to tear one down and show you the quality of parts and we can compare. You seem to be a expert of some kind. Pardon me if I do not go along with your need to bash.
It seems to me that both the Kahr and the Nano, Pico seem to be a niche market. No they are not the mainstream LCP mass market type of firearms, of which I have owned 4 of them. But both are great quality firearms and I have the Pico's, LCP's and Kahr which I own. I have already gone past 1000 rounds with the Nano and if it keeps on running like it has with virtually about 9 different ammunitions that I have shot flawlessly, then it is going to be one great firearm.
I almost bought a Kahr, 9mm, and on another forum, pretty much caught hell, with people telling me to stay away from them. However they did not impress me as I know all guns can have problems but the vast majority run fine. And there were also a lot of post from folks who had never owned one yet bashing the product. I discount all of those.
Thank you for your knowledge about the two guns I do own and enjoy. However please pardon me, if I simply excuse your comments. Have a good Day.
You are welcome to come over to the Beretta forum and post all your knowledge about the Nano and Pico. I am sure others would welcome your opinion.

[gb6491]

One thing I forgot to mention about my Nano involves the sight set screws. I was delighted to find that they would work as windage screws in my Model 101's rear sight.
The original screws were slotted and the left side screw had one side it's slot break off. I was able to get the screw out, but finding a replacement proved difficult. On a whim, I tried a set screw from the Nano and it fit perfectly. Brownells had the screws in stock and I soon had new windage screws in the sight.
As a bonus, I find the hex head Nano screws are easier to adjust:)
https://s31.postimg.org/gbfeuxcln/screw.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
Regards,
Greg

[berettabone]

Yea, right, Cannot tell you about the 9000s, I do not own one, but the Nano and the Pico sure seem to be doing well. I did not even know you had owned the Pico or Nano, or did you ever? Sorry, but I wonder if you have ever even taking one down to look at the quality, much less owned one or even shot one. I have well over 5000 rounds through two Pico's and they are running like a sewing machine. And I would be glad to tear one down and show you the quality of parts and we can compare. You seem to be a expert of some kind. Pardon me if I do not go along with your need to bash.
It seems to me that both the Kahr and the Nano, Pico seem to be a niche market. No they are not the mainstream LCP mass market type of firearms, of which I have owned 4 of them. But both are great quality firearms and I have the Pico's, LCP's and Kahr which I own. I have already gone past 1000 rounds with the Nano and if it keeps on running like it has with virtually about 9 different ammunitions that I have shot flawlessly, then it is going to be one great firearm.
I almost bought a Kahr, 9mm, and on another forum, pretty much caught hell, with people telling me to stay away from them. However they did not impress me as I know all guns can have problems but the vast majority run fine. And there were also a lot of post from folks who had never owned one yet bashing the product. I discount all of those.
Thank you for your knowledge about the two guns I do own and enjoy. However please pardon me, if I simply excuse your comments. Have a good Day.
You are welcome to come over to the Beretta forum and post all your knowledge about the Nano and Pico. I am sure others would welcome your opinion.Apparently, you're the resident expert, telling us that these firearms are the greatest thing since sliced bread. I'm sure that the Beretta community is well aware of these products. I'm glad your having good luck. Your one of the lucky ones. I stay away from the Beretta forum..............too many fly boys over there. Even start to say something and they ban you. No thanks. Your lucky that you have this forum. Many of the rest of them don't even want to hear about these products, and some will not even allow you to talk about any products other than their own. That's why I like this forum. You can espouse what you want. I'll stand by my original statement. Wouldn't trust my life to any of them. If that's bashing, then I guess it's bashing. What you should do, is lower your collar and take it for what it is. Opinion. I've been dealing with and shooting Beretta products for over 40+ years, but I digress to someone who's an expert, and is one person in a sea of thousands. Apparently I'm not the only one with this opinion. I'm glad that YOU"RE keeping Beretta in business. Carry on, and watch that testosterone level............................................. .......

[ltxi]

Apparently, you're the resident expert, telling us that these firearms are the greatest thing since sliced bread. I'm sure that the Beretta community is well aware of these products. I'm glad your having good luck. Your one of the lucky ones. I stay away from the Beretta forum..............too many fly boys over there. Even start to say something and they ban you. No thanks. Your lucky that you have this forum. Many of the rest of them don't even want to hear about these products, and some will not even allow you to talk about any products other than their own. That's why I like this forum. You can espouse what you want. I'll stand by my original statement. Wouldn't trust my life to any of them. If that's bashing, then I guess it's bashing. What you should do, is lower your collar and take it for what it is. Opinion. I've been dealing with and shooting Beretta products for over 40+ years, but I digress to someone who's an expert, and is one person in a sea of thousands. Apparently I'm not the only one with this opinion. I'm glad that YOU"RE keeping Beretta in business. Carry on, and watch that testosterone level............................................. .......

Don't feed the trolls.

Speaking of whom....one of my most favorite firearms ever is a Beretta. A Minx I bought new in the mid 70's. Wouldn't part with it for the world.

[b4uqzme]

^^^ my Beretta is longer than yours...

[ltxi]

Dependent on whom you're dealing with, that can actually be a disadvantage.

[Planedude]

The birds, real or clay don't shoot back...
I have a Beretta autoloader that's never been fired at anything but skeet birdies. Sweet shooter!