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copterdrvr
08-28-2010, 05:36 PM
I took my new and unfired (as of yet) P380 apart to do my usual "fluff and buff" to prepare it for it's first trip to the range and I ran into something that's never happened before-during the re-assembly.

I put the pistol back together and while racking the slide, things just didn't feel right. I had a Azoom snapcap in it and it would fire but things just didn't feel as they should. The slide would hang about an eighth of an inch before it went into battery more often than not and the trigger pull was much worse than my CW9 and PM9.

I REALLY started to look at the pistol and found the problem-the ear on the top of the trigger bar that rides above the right side of the frame and inside the notch cut into the right side of the slide was on the OUTSIDE of the slide! Guess what---this dudn't work so good!!!

Took the slide off and put it back together CORRECTLY and guess what-the slide works smoothly and the trigger pull is WAAAAAY better!!!:israel:

I looked at my CW9 and PM9 and the "tab" is too close to the frame for this to happen, but my P380 seems to have alittle more "lateral" play of the exposed trigger bar tab-I'll have to remember to watch this when I put 'er together in the future!

wyntrout
08-28-2010, 05:50 PM
You aren't the first one to have that happen. WE have to watch that when we put the P380 back together.
I usually kind of pull the trigger lightly as I push the slide to the rear... especially as the rear of the slide approaches that external tab you're talking about.
I just tried that and as the rear of the slide came up against the tab, pulling the trigger a little bit made it drop out of the way.
Wynn:)

copterdrvr
08-28-2010, 06:27 PM
That's a good plan-I'll try that next time!

copterdrvr
08-29-2010, 12:09 PM
Hhmmm-I tried that with my pistol and the tab does NOT drop below the bottom of the slide. I'm looking at the very back corner of the slide that has to pass over the tab and I"m wondering if it wasn't machined quite enough to allow clearance of the tab. I had to use the blade of a screwdriver to push in the tab to get the slide to pass over it and it was a pain in the ***.

I'm thinking I might remove a tiny bit of the inside right corner of the back end of the slide to help this. I can't see how this can cause an issue as it doesn't really do anything but make putting the slide back on a big pain.

wyntrout
08-29-2010, 01:28 PM
Dang! I wouldn't remove anything!

I removed the slide lock and removed the slide. I pull the trigger as it meets resistance so that the slide moves past the double-cam that c0cks the striker and depresses the safety block.

I pulled the trigger and watched the trigger bar move forward and the TAB move forward, and then they moved the opposite direction as I let the trigger go.

Finger off the trigger, I slide the slide on all the way back until it rests against the TAB, which is rearmost in its travel.

Then I apply just a little pressure to the slide, pull the trigger slowly, the tab pushed the slide forward until I let go of the trigger, then the tab and the slide move to the rear... the same position before I pulled the trigger the first time. The second pull of the trigger, the tab drops out of the way. Remember that I'm keep a light rearward pressure on the slide.

Alternatively, the tab drops out of the way on the FIRST pull of the trigger. This seems to be random(?) but I have no problem getting the tab to drop.

Wynn:)

copterdrvr
08-29-2010, 02:43 PM
Do you have to be facing North, spit three times and throw salt over your shoulder too? HAH, only kidding-I'll give your very detailed explanation a "shot" when I get home! Thanks.

P.S. what's the deal with the P380 in this regard-my CW9 and PM9 don't do this.

Bawanna
08-29-2010, 02:50 PM
I'd lean a bit more North, North East. I think it lines up the Karma from the mothership that way. You got all the rest correct.

I can't say what the deal is with the 380's but we hear it often. I do know that my K40 will reassemble with ease 8 or 9 times out of 10, but that one or 2 times it will just refuse to cooperate. Drives me batty, I always get it but other than just moving the recoil spring and guide around a tiny bit I don't know exactly what I'm doing to make it work. It sometimes helps to move the trigger a tiny bit but sometimes that don't help either. It's kind of like an unanswered challenge. I did it but what did I do? I need answers.
So far my PM45 has caused me no such aggrevation and it's really not an aggrevation anyway I guess. I like a challenge now and then.

swampman
08-29-2010, 03:06 PM
Do you have to be facing North, spit three times and throw salt over your shoulder too? HAH, only kidding-I'll give your very detailed explanation a "shot" when I get home! Thanks.

P.S. what's the deal with the P380 in this regard-my CW9 and PM9 don't do this.
The frame cover is out of spec. allowing the trigger bar to jump track upon reassembly,Send it back to kahr ,and they will replace the frame cover.:)

copterdrvr
08-29-2010, 05:58 PM
When you say "frame cover" what part in particular are you referring to?

swampman
08-29-2010, 06:11 PM
When you say "frame cover" what part in particular are you referring to?
The part at the rear right top of the frame with the torx head screw in it.:)

wyntrout
08-29-2010, 06:14 PM
The side panel.
Wynn:D

swampman
08-29-2010, 06:31 PM
The side panel.
Wynn:D
yes the side panel,I had to send mine back for exactly the same problem and on the work sheet they sent back with it they said they replaced that panel because it was out of spec.,and I could see the difference with the new panel.:)

copterdrvr
08-30-2010, 06:50 AM
Did you have to pay for shipping? I haven't even fired mine yet.

wyntrout
08-30-2010, 07:48 AM
They should pay shipping. Be polite but explain it's a new gun and a warranty issue, and the gun is not reliable for defensive carry. It only costs them about $26 to FedEx overnight and you would pay about $60.
Oh, I always email them and send pictures: eoin.pryal@kahr.com
If your dealer is local, you could let them work with Kahr.
Wynn )

jocko
08-30-2010, 11:22 AM
SWAMPMAN COULD BE DEFINITELY RIGHT. iF that side panel is warped, even though you cannot see it, it will allow that trigger bar to slip a tad out of the cocking cam slot and you will get what you are having. Not saying that is your issue but it is a possable that needs to be elimiinated. U can call kahr an run that buy them to see what they think, They would send you a new panel no charge I am sure instead of having you send it back to them to possably do the same thing.
be careful with that little torx screw in the P380 it is a size 5 , in the PM guns it is a size 6. It just threads into the polymer frames so if you try to over tighten it, you will strip the theads. SNUG IS GOOD IN THIS CASE.

I can tell you this much, when I sent my P380 back for failure to feed golden sabre 102 rounds, it came back with a NEW SIDE PANEL installed. I was having no issues either, so WTF do I know...

swampman
08-30-2010, 04:54 PM
Did you have to pay for shipping? I haven't even fired mine yet.
They paid for shipping both ways,It was picked at my door and back to my door in seven days,mine was brand new too,call them and they will set it up with you.:)

copterdrvr
08-30-2010, 08:38 PM
Question-did the replacement have any effect on your trigger pull-in other words, did it change in any way?

swampman
08-30-2010, 08:45 PM
Question-did the replacement have any effect on your trigger pull-in other words, did it change in any way?
No change,It stayed the same.:)

copterdrvr
09-01-2010, 09:52 AM
Well, solved the problem and feel kinda stupid about it.

After installing the slide and moving it rearward, I pulled the trigger and used my fingernail to push the tab down. It required no force at all to do and it was easy to move the rearmost portion of the slide past the tab while holding it down. Went together like a champ! I don't know why the H E double toothpicks I didn't try that before!

hedgehog
09-01-2010, 11:31 AM
I find i have to take a pin and push that little tab down as i re-insert the slide or it gets stuck on there and starts to bend ! yikes.

Copper&Black
09-01-2010, 11:39 AM
The slide will push the trigger bar down the rest of the way on it's own, no tools needed. I even brought mine back to the dealer the day I got it b/c I couldn't reassemble it. But I just learned it takes the right touch...Slide the slide back until it reaches the trigger bar, pull the trigger and continue pushing the slide back. After a few cleanings and practice I can now reassemble in one fluid motion.

Bawanna
09-01-2010, 11:44 AM
Exactly right, just make sure if that side cover allows that the lever is lined up and not riding outside the slide or bad things happen. Just a little finger push in so it's lined up and should go right on with a little trigger jiggle.
Once it's on, no worries it can't sneak out on ya.

copterdrvr
09-01-2010, 03:36 PM
Roger that, Guys. For some reason on mine if I hold the trigger down, the back corner of the slide doesn't push the tab down far enough to clear the slide. If I "help" it with my fingernail, it's a snap!

First time I put it together the little bugger did end up OUTSIDE of the slide. Fortunately I barely tried to rack the slide and something didn't feel right so I stopped and took a look.