New CM 9 Feed Problem

[DAKA]

Just picked up my new CM 9 first time shooting it, first 6 mags go fine, then there is a problem with the first round in the mag not feeding up the ramp.
It doesn't seem to be sitting properly in the mag...not pointed slightly up....it jams against the ramp and doesn't feed...:confused:
I will say that I really like this gun, the reduced recoil compared to other compact 9's is incredible...;)

[kwh]

The first round as released by the slide stop, or the next round following the firing of the previous round?

[DAKA]

The first round as released by the slide stop, or the next round following the firing of the previous round?
The first round...seems to be pointed level, rather than slightly upward, after that its ok

[yqtszhj]

I’d recommend to Take your mag apart and check everything out to make sure nothing has broken. Also make sure the spring is oriented so that the top of the spring that meets the follower has the same angle as the bottom of the follower when put back together. You’ll want the spring pointing toward the feed ramp and not toward the back of the pistol. We’ve seen this in the past, the spring oriented backwards.

[CPTKILLER]

If that doesn't work than your choices are:

1. Send it to Kahr

or

2. Sell it

[DAKA]

I'll check the mag, thanks, if necessary it goes to KAHR, I like this gun.

[gb6491]

Just picked up my new CM 9 first time shooting it, first 6 mags go fine, then there is a problem with the first round in the mag not feeding up the ramp.
It doesn't seem to be sitting properly in the mag...not pointed slightly up....it jams against the ramp and doesn't feed...:confused:
I will say that I really like this gun, the reduced recoil compared to other compact 9's is incredible...;)
Welcome to the forums!

You gotten some good advice above.

FWIW, I'd like to add my 2cents. When you say "..first 6 mags go fine...", I'm assuming that this means six loading of the magazine that came with the gun vice six different magazines. If this is correct and considering that the single magazine worked fine for multiple loadings, I wonder if the front skirt of the magazine follower has broken off. Here's a photo that was posted by moosetang that shows a broken follower and the piece that broke off: http://www.pbase.com/image/151727869.jpg
If you find this to be the case, we can look at it further.
Regards,
Greg

[0ddl0t]

I got my PM9 for a steal because the previous owner could not get it to feed reliably despite buying multiple magazines & sending it on repeated trips to kahr. All it needed was lakeline followers and about 60 rounds break-in per magazine, loading only 3 at a time. The break-in process bangs up the followers a bit so they're not for show, but they now feed 100% and have for thousands of rounds.

https://lakelinellc.com/shop/metal-magazine-follower-for-9mm-kahr/

[Mike_usn_ret]

You’ll want the spring pointing toward the feed ramp and not toward the back of the pistol. Yep, this was very good advice. We’ve seen this in the past, the spring oriented backwards.
Was having problems with the extended round mag and discovered this was my problem!!

[DAKA]

OK, good advice from someone on another m/b, do not "slinshot" the slide...release it with the SLIDE RELEASEIf I am not mistaken, on my RUGER MK III's they say NOT to use the SLIDE LOCK to release the slide....
I just fired 10 mags of 7 rounds, I even loaded one round in the chamber and refilled the mag...works 100%
So KAHR is the only gun ghat the thingy on the side is a LOCK and a SLIDE RELEASE...

[yqtszhj]

OK, good advice from someone on another m/b, do not "slinshot" the slide...release it with the SLIDE RELEASEIf I am not mistaken, on my RUGER MK III's they say NOT to use the SLIDE LOCK to release the slide....
I just fired 10 mags of 7 rounds, I even loaded one round in the chamber and refilled the mag...works 100%
So KAHR is the only gun ghat the thingy on the side is a LOCK and a SLIDE RELEASE...

I think you got it. One item of note is after you’ve shot it a bit sometimes you can slingshot it BUT you have to make sure to pull it all the way back and let it go without riding the slide. But it’s still easier to use the slide release.

funny thing is I have a CW45 and CW380 that I can slingshot but my CM9 is still tight when trying to slingshot it.

[Bawanna]

Kahr recommends the slide release due mostly to all the complaints of jams on the first round.

If you sling shot properly IE: Don't girlyman it, do it briskly, rip it back and let it fly it will work. Many unconsciously ride the slide just a bit and they can be pretty unforgiving especially when new and tight.

[DAKA]

Another 100 rounds on the CW 9 worls perfectly, however I thin I need to move the sight, I'm shooting about 4" left and 2" high....me or the gun?
It doesn't matter, I think if I move the sight it will help...any advice?

[Bawanna]

For new right handed Kahr shooters, they usually start out shooting low and left. So adjustment might be in order.

For height you'll have to adjust your point of aim, a bit more 6 oclock hold.

You can drift the rear sight to fix the 4" left.

[DavidR]

Another 100 rounds on the CW 9 worls perfectly, however I thin I need to move the sight, I'm shooting about 4" left and 2" high....me or the gun?
It doesn't matter, I think if I move the sight it will help...any advice?

I had similar “to the left” issues with both my CM9 and CT380. It’s obviously me. I drifted the rear sight to the right on both guns and the “problem” was fixed.

[0ddl0t]

Another 100 rounds on the CW 9 worls perfectly, however I thin I need to move the sight, I'm shooting about 4" left and 2" high....me or the gun?
It doesn't matter, I think if I move the sight it will help...any advice?

At what distance are you shooting?

99% of the time it is the shooter, but different ammo can move groups around a bit.

I would not recommend adjusting the sights if the problem is technique -- if you shoot left with a kahr you'll probably shoot left with a glock too & wouldn't you rather be able to pick up any gun and shoot it precisely? With their long, smooth trigger Kahrs are fantastic for training new shooters - let it teach you!

[DAKA]

If I aim at the lower right i'm closer to he center...at 25"

[0ddl0t]

At 25 yards 4" left isn't bad - thats about where I first shot my kahrs & glocks. But I discovered if I changed my hand positions slightly, the groups moved around. So I borrowed some sandbags and shot from a rest: the sights were dead-on.

After 2 years of incremental improvement, my groups are now just about centered. But the longer I shoot, the more I tend to revert back to favoring left.

Dry-fire practice helps a lot - probably more than anything else. If you have a laser on your gun, concentrate on holding the light steady while manipulating the trigger faster and faster. With live fire, I also like to randomly throw in a snap cap every few magazines too - it'll keep you honest if you start to develop a flinch.

One final thing: if you're like me and spend most of your day at a keyboard, you might consider building up your grip & wrist strength (today's adults average 30% less grip strength than in 1985). When you're on the phone or something, grab a hand grip strengthener or pick up a small barbell and roll your wrists around.

Anyway, I prefer shooter training as the more robust answer, but if you're not able (or don't have any desire) to shoot often, adjusting the sights will do the trick for your pistol in your hands...

[DJK11]

If I aim at the lower right i'm closer to he center...at 25"
If your 4" off at 25" it's you but 4" off at 25 yards you should consider a sponsor and hit the competition circuit.

[DAKA]

OK, OK.....4" off at 25 FEET...25 yards.....what target....

[gb6491]

Another 100 rounds on the CW 9 worls perfectly, however I thin I need to move the sight, I'm shooting about 4" left and 2" high....me or the gun?
It doesn't matter, I think if I move the sight it will help...any advice?
Scope this out:
https://s33.postimg.cc/cj385wjpr/6788c06642116e00577dfc72f867d65a.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Beyond the above:

ELEVATION:
Are you aligning the tops of the sights or putting the dot right on top of the bar?
If it's the former, try the latter.
If it's the latter (or you prefer the former):
1.Consider using a lower point of aim
2. Try different ammo: different bullet weight, different velocities, from different manufacturers
3. Contact Kahr to see if they can or will be of assistance
4. File the rear sight down enough to correct elevation, touch up with cold blue
5. Contact Dawson Precision about a taller front sight

WINDAGE:
If you have the tools and fill comfortable doing it move the rear sight to the right (You can always move it back).

Amount of correction needed calculator (allow pop ups): https://www.brownells.com/aspx/learn/learndetail.aspx?lid=13093

Regards,
Greg

[berettabone]

THEY ARE NOT TARGET FIREARMS. I REPEAT, THEY ARE NOT TARGET FIREARMS. THEY ARE FOR PERSONAL DEFENSE. ANYONE WHO THINKS THAT THEY WILL BE A BULLSEYE SHOOTER WITH A CM9, OR A PM9, OR AN MK9 IS LIVING IN ANOTHER WORLD OF WHICH MOST ARE UNFAMILIAR. IF YOU WANT TO SHOOT BULLSEYES, THEN BUY A FULL SIZE TARGET PISTOL. I DON'T EVEN CONSIDER THE CW'S AS TARGET FIREARMS. UNLESS YOU HAVE UNLIMITED TIME, AMMO, AND $$$$$$$$$$, I guess they could be.

[DAKA]

Wow shouting....
I have been shooting since I was 12...71 years ago, believe me I reaiize what constitutes a TARGET gun or a RANGE gun...however, being able to put a few rounds in the center of a target is pretty important ... FOR AN EDC weapon...
When I do go TARGET shooting I usually take my RUGER MK III TARGET GUN...
Thanks'
Daniel

[0ddl0t]

They may never win a bullseye competition, but these guns are plenty accurate. From a rest, they should do better than 3" 25-yard groups with cheap range ammo and under 2" with agreeable factory loads.

Because of their small size (short sight radius, low polar moment of inertia, etc) and long trigger pull, that probably translates to about an 18" group off-hand for your average shooter. But with practice most should be able to achieve 6" groups and some 4"

If this is the gun you're going to carry every day, why wouldn't you want to shoot it well? Besides, it is a fun challenge.

[berettabone]

They may never win a bullseye competition, but these guns are plenty accurate. From a rest, they should do better than 3" 25-yard groups with cheap range ammo and under 2" with agreeable factory loads.

Because of their small size (short sight radius, low polar moment of inertia, etc) and long trigger pull, that probably translates to about an 18" group off-hand for your average shooter. But with practice most should be able to achieve 6" groups and some 4"

If this is the gun you're going to carry every day, why wouldn't you want to shoot it well? Besides, it is a fun challenge. I know how accurate Kahr's can be, but there is also reality. Most of us don't practice shooting off of sand bags with defensive firearms. Kind of defeats the purpose. Like I mentioned, if you have time, money and lots of ammo, do as you wish. When you can shoot those groups with a defensive firearm from 25 yds. without a sandbag, you let me know. As has been mentioned, when that day comes, I'll sponsor you out on the shooting circuit. Personally, I don't have the jing to waste, trying to shoot 2" groups at 25 yds. with a small firearm. My MK starts at the belt line and goes up, a hit every time. That's my bullseye, and that's what the firearm is for. Carry on...………………..

[berettabone]

Wow shouting....
I have been shooting since I was 12...71 years ago, believe me I reaiize what constitutes a TARGET gun or a RANGE gun...however, being able to put a few rounds in the center of a target is pretty important ... FOR AN EDC weapon...
When I do go TARGET shooting I usually take my RUGER MK III TARGET GUN...
Thanks'
DanielIt is important. Let me know when you can do it at 25 yds.:p

[Bawanna]

I truly think the capability is there, it's the person behind the trigger that is the weak link. I know I have to do very good at the closer ranges to make up for how lousy I am out at the 25 yard line when I shoot our dept quals (which isn't often or required in my case).

Maybe Daka is that person and me bonnets off to ya if it is and if it's not, keep throwing bullets until you are.

For me I used the minute of pie plate plan, (large pie plate). Any hits in the pie plate are meaningful if the pie plate was hung center mass. Preferably on a wide center mass. Another reason I like 45, wider bullets, more chance of a hit if it's close to the edge.

[DAKA]

Hey, Just back from the range...me and Mrs D, I can put 5 out of 7 rounds in an 8" pie plate at 25'...I am HAPPY (The other 2 are likely to be anywhere if I "flinched" ....
BUT the 5 were in the upper left quadrant....now that I feel that the gun is "broken in" I'll be aiming at the lower right and see what happens...
Nrs.D was shooting a Sig Mosquito I got for her from a friend who hated it, she puts majority of the holes within an 4" circle at 25' (damn)

[Bawanna]

Wimmen nearly always out shoot men. No pressure them to do well. If they don't shoot good they always have the I'm just a girl excuse.

Us guys are labeled unmanly and destined to be cooks and clothes washers in the tribe, not to associate with the hunter / warriors.

I think I been around the violets far too long.

8"? My pie plates are much larger than that.

[DAKA]

Buy em' at Costco....100's for a few bucks...make an X with a magic marker, I was printing out targets from a "site" till I was reminded that THOSE THINGS ARE COSTING ABOUT A DIME EACH....(she's right, and I use up all the ink....oops...)

[Bawanna]

I do exactly the same thing. I just buy bigger ones so I can hit them more often.