New car for Wifey.

[wyntrout]

Well, one day last week I went to start my wife's 2001 Volvo S40 and it sounded like it was to start for a few milliseconds... really... then it went clunk. All attempts to start it did the same. I checked the battery... fairly recent, and it was fine. I even tried to jump start with another good battery at the same time... same results.

It was built in November 2000 and we bought it new for her in June 2001. I've been keeping it running and dreading it needing any repairs because they would cost more than the car is worth... "fair" with 125K miles... $200-$600 trade-in value.

Later that day it started fine. Now I'm worried my wife will be out across town and the danged thing not start! I really didn't want to put any more money into it, so started thinking about replacement.

I've always wanted a Subaru Forester for her... the highest rated small SUV with all kinds of safety features. So I looked around that weekend and late Saturday night I thought about USAA's car buying program, and others, but I went through the procedures online and I got responses from several dealers... one close and the other across town. I wound up accepting an offer to see one that somewhat approximated my desires and options at the closest dealer... one with the highest rating for customer satisfaction. You really can't buy a danged Subaru without that roof rack unless you order one custom built at the factory, but at least we didn't have to have a moon roof or leather seats.

This was on Sunday and after discussing it with my wife, I emailed the manager who made an offer for one at invoice less $400+ off. I told my wife that we would take the title to the Volvo along... just in case. I figured I would go for just about any offer on the trade in to keep from having to try to sell that. I didn't relish trying to sell it because I can't help being truthful and not trying to deceive anyone.

Anyhow, we looked at the car and took it for a test drive. It's larger than what my wife wanted, but I didn't want to try the Crosstrack, a crossover and smaller Subaru with no track record of reliability, etc. Wifey liked it, but she still wasn't convinced about the size, but agreed with me on the Forester's great ratings, so we sat down with a sales guy and I figured to be handled a bit over final pricing and my trade in.

The manager doubled the trade-in value for the Volvo and gave us $1,000 of the already discounted price. I couldn't believe it! So we came to an agreement and I even got the 10-year bumper-to-bumper warranty for under $1,600. I don't usually do that, but peace of mind for Wifey's car was on my mind. I had to add on a few options that I wanted... later added the fog lights, too. Those didn't get rolled into the deal because I added them a few days later and they will be installed with the other things.

There are things that I didn't get, or didn't want to try to add, and I got a few things I would have left off, but it was the end of the model year and I wanted to drive away without the Volvo. Mission accomplished.

I got the entry mode with the non-turbo 2.5 engine and the CVT transmission. One of the tings I need is acceleration under 9 seconds 0 to 60 mph. This one tested at 8.7 seconds, coincidentally the same as my 2005 GMC AWD Savana AND the Volvo S40. It seems a lot peppier, though, and I can't believe how easy it gets going. The CVT is different... no spaces between gears or shifts, and the tranny seems to drag a bit instead of free wheeling as you slow down in parking lots or whatever... not a bad thing... just different.

I spent yesterday and today putting protective sprays and stuff on everything but the painted surfaces... silicone(2 cans) on all of the rubber, especially the drive shaft boots, and Scotchgarding the upholstery and carpet... 3 cans for 2+ coats. I also did all of the black trim and plastic with a protectant. The car is drying out with the doors open... door and LED mirror lights stay on, so I have a charger on the battery at a low setting.

It should be good to go in the morning, but Wifey's not ready to drive it, yet! She keeps taking the van and will until the 4th when she'll go with me for a biopsy procedure. I still don't have but maybe 80 miles on the car... about 60 more than when we bought it.

I gave rave reviews for the dealership and the people we worked with... the most enjoyable car purchase ever!

I'll try to add a picture that I took at the dealership of her. She seems happy! :D

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I just wanted to share our experience.

Wynn :)

[jeepster09]

Nice, she looks happy....suppose my wife will want new car next. You did good.

[berettabone]

The wifey and I had been driving Accords since 2000. In 2014 I started looking at Subaru's, and was impressed with them, but didn't want all of that electronic gadgetry they hang on them these days, and I wanted the larger engine. Told the wifey that the day I need the car to drive and stop and park for me, is the day I'll hang up my keys. So I did some searching and found 2 Legacy's within 100 mile radius that had what I wanted/didn't want and purchased a new Legacy in 2014. Love that car, especially in the winter. I goes through snow like magic. I did want leather and fog lights, but no sunroof, and got my 3.5 engine. From what I see on the telly, and what I have experienced at other dealerships is this " no haggle " purchasing. You go in and they point to a computer screen and say, " this is what you pay." We'll give you this much for your trade. I don't know about you, but I don't pay a price for a car just because that's what the computer screen says, or because they seem to have lots of kid salespeople that don't know the front from the back of what their selling. It makes it easy for them, they just point at the computer screen and tell you that the number your looking at, is the average price that people have paid for their vehicle. If you pay them what they want, you can even buy a car online and have it delivered. The dealership that I purchased my vehicle from kind of caters to the older generation. They basically ask you what you want to pay, and you go from there. No pointing at a computer, no telling you what everyone else is paying...…………………………………………………………………….at the end of the day, I got what I wanted to pay, getting a fair trade in. I traded a 2000 Accord with 125,000 miles. I figured on the high side it was worth $2000 because mechanically it was very well taken care of, it had some paint issues. I could have sold it outright for $2000, that's what I told them, so they gave me the $2000. Then I told them that I wanted $4000 off of the sticker price right away. I told them that I was helping them get an oddball car off of their lot. One with a larger engine, and no electronics, and no sun roof. Had to be worth that much off for starters. Then all they had to do is tell me how much more they were willing to discount before I leave and go elsewhere. Plenty of Subaru dealerships up here. I ended up writing a number on a piece of paper, he took it to the sales manager and came back, ok it's a deal. They are so low pressure, never trying to sell you unneeded services, got all the latest stuff in the waiting room. Food, beverages, wi-fi, washes, etc. I dread the fact that, if I ever need to purchase another vehicle, I will be forced to live with one of these newer "gadget" cars, unless I buy used. If I would have purchased the vehicle for average online pricing, I would have paid $3000-3500 more than I paid using the old way of doing business...…………………………………………………………………………………………………….

[wyntrout]

When we were looking for my wife's previous car, I wanted all of the safety features for her, but cloth seats and no sun roof... and in WHITE! It was just frustrating that there were so few choices back in 2001. Every vehicle didn't have a bunch of airbags and ABS, etc. It took a premium version to get most of that and then you were looking at a mandatory sun/moon roof, leather, and NO white... the Honda Civic was like that! We did look at an Subaru Impreza(?) but Wifey didn't want it.

I hadn't even checked out the Volvo pricing and she wanted to see those. They had everything we wanted, but I hadn't done any research on pricing it and she was ready to drive it away... just over $26K out the door with almost no concessions. I told her we weren't going to do that this time. :D

You got a great deal and I'm happy with ours. You would have had to seen the Volvo with a crappy radio and speakers... I told them that... and that the roof liner had come loose... a problem with Volvos from that period. Lots of plastic crap falling apart or sticky from some kind of weird degradation. I had white screen mounting frames bent in shape to keep the liner in place. :D

I was ecstatic to get $1,000 trade in on it and drive away in the new car of our choice at a satisfactory price. The car had a lot of other problems, but did run and Wifey had wanted to keep it running as long as possible. I had wanted to get her a new and reliable replacement for MANY years!

We have more debt but I'm very happy with the whole experience. It really happened quickly... and I'm glad that it did.

This Forester with the CVT really likes to get going quickly. I love it! I don't have to worry about that danged Volvo anymore! :)

[Bawanna]

I'm a car salesman's worst nightmare. I spent 11 hours on the sales floor once getting a pickup for what I wanted.

A quick story related to Beretta's young kid salesmen.

I was at our local Chevy dealer looking for a pickup for the wife. Had my son with me and we're going down the line looking at trucks, used and new.
One new one caught my fancy and I told the guy I just had to sit in it. So we finangled the chair up to where I could get in.

As I was doing that I noticed it had manual crank windows. It's been so long since I saw manual windows I just knew I had to have fun with the kid.
So I pushed the middle of the knob and of course nothing happened. I said oh,,,,,,must have to have the key on.

Kid says no, and turned the crank to lower the window. I went all shock and awe, and asked if I could try it.
So then I asked so if I'm in a driving rain storm with the window down and a dead battery I can just turn this dealy hymer and roll the window up?

He said yes. I asked if I ordered a new truck could I order this type of window and how much extra?

He said they come that way, power windows are extra, I'm like no way dude!

As we go into the showroom I see him kind of whisper to an older salesman that I must have fell off a turnip truck.
Guy came over and asked how old I was, so I told him, he said you got that kid so messed up in the head it'll take weeks for him to be normal again.

Told him mission accomplished.

[Ed M]

Congratulations Wynn.

Must be that time of year....

I finally decided it was time to trade in my trusty 2011 Tacoma - it looks just like berettabone's truck - same color and all.

When I bought that truck, the only option it had was a bug shield. Bare bones, but I got a great deal and paid cash for it. In 75,000 miles, the only thing it took for yearly state inspection was a license plate bulb. Good truck!

This time, I wanted all the bells and whistles - and I got 'em. Damn thing even has radar. I'm still looking for the sidewinder missile select switch....

2018 Tacoma Limited.

15667

[Barth]

My 2013 Taco 4x4 just turned 80K on the clock.
Nothing but tires, brakes and oil...
$20,323 tax, tag and license (out the door)
I'm a happy camper :cool:

Full Disclosure:
The Shelby GT-H was a rental - LOL!

[ripley16]

I'm a Toyota guy but my brother has driven a Forester for many years and he loves it. Last I checked with him about it, about two years ago, he had over 125K miles on it with no issues ever. Congrats on the new Subaru.

[Armybrat]

I've been in sticker shock ever since the MSRP of a plain pickup truck passed $2,000.

Never thought I'd pay more for a new car than we bought our first house for ($23,000) in 1971. Did just that when I bought the wife a new Accord two years ago. Nice car for an average ride though. We do like the backup camera - makes it easier to back into a parking spot or yto run over the neighbor's cat.

[JohnR]

Good choice. Did you get it from the Atlantic Blvd. place? They seem like good folks, though we haven’t bought from them since my ‘03 Forester.

[wyntrout]

Yes, John. They have a really good rep and award-winning customer relations. I was wary, but really pleased with their friendliness and being upfront with everything. It was the nicest car-buying experience ever. I used USAA, but could have used Costco or Consumer Reports or Kelly Blue Book, etc. I definitely did some research about the car and the dealer. I'm sure that I could have made a better deal, but I was happy with everything.

I spent the last two days putting Scothgard on all of the seats and carpet, including the panel around the door grabs; then ArmorAll products on everything else plastic and rubber. I used two cans of Silicone spray on all of the rubber inside, outside, under the hood, and underneath. Maybe I'll find something for the paint for after the next wash job.

I chose the two years free service and have to take the car in every 6 months or 6,000 miles for an oil change... and they use and recommend synthetic, 0W20. I've been using synthetic since the mid-70's and that oil is good for much longer. The lifetime powertrain warranty was the other choice, and required that schedule for the oil change, which is pretty excessive, but voids the warranty if not followed! The regular PT warranty is 5 years or 60,000 miles and should be enough.

I still can't get over how spritely that car and the CVT transmission are! It's a bigger car than the Volvo, for sure, and Wifey's still driving my van for now. We're having showers... off and on and she's not ready to try to learn the new vehicle... yeah, there are a lot of "features" and electronics to learn, but not as much as one of the "loaded" ones. I've been through the Quick Guide a few times and have started on the full-sized manual... lots of info! :o

I want to learn how to set up some of the displays as I want. There are some cautions and warnings about stuff on or around the dash, and especially under the passenger's seat... something to do with all of the airbags and safety equipment. It's not quite like the cockpit of an F-16, but more than anything we've had to date... but I like gadgets! :)

[wyntrout]

Thanks for all of the kind words and sharing your vehicle experiences.

I have to find my older Valentine One. Wifey didn't like it in the Volvo because she was worried that it might make someone break into her car to steal it. Mine's updated and mounted from the headliner in the van and not visible via a suction cup stuck to the windshield. I've had no problems with it. I also have the wires hidden and a remote readout on the steering column, but I need to know where the radar is while driving that spritely Forester... it's always leaping past the speedlimit... even when I'm trying not to speed... without protection or warning! :o

[downtownv]

Happy Wifey, Happy Lifey :cool:

[berettabone]

One thing about those Volvo's. We sat in an XC70 a few years back. It was a masterpiece inside. The colors, the leather, just the way the seats felt. It was a shame that it was a tad out of our price range...…………………...sigh.

[Ed M]

Wynn - I'm not sure how close in operation the Subaru radar controls are to Toyota's, but if you go into the settings menu on the main gps/radio display, there's tutorials on how to change all the safety settings.

I was leery about owning a vehicle that takes away so much of the driving experience from me, but in two weeks time, I'm warming up to it.

First off, you can disable any of the safety features if you don't like them. Some turn themselves back on every time you start the vehicle, but most don't. At first, the "lane departure warning system" was really annoying me. If I wasn't positioned exactly in the center of the lane, it went off. Do this a half dozen times, and it tells you to pull over, take a break, and have a cup of coffee. Once I went through the tutorial, I set the sensitivity a bit more forgiving of position.

The radar? In addition to providing frontal collision emergency braking, it also works in conjunction with the cruise control. Push a button on the steering wheel when the cruise is on, and there's a vehicle in front at the distance you don't want to get closer than. The vehicle applies the brake when needed to maintain that following distance, and also speeds up if the other vehicle does - up to your chosen upper speed setting. This is easier to set than it sounds.

The radar also provides pedestrian detection. If a person walks out in the road, the center console display warns you of their presence.

The first day after I picked up my new truck, I was driving down a section of road that had houses on one side, and woods on the other. All of a sudden, the center display flashed red, and the words "BRAKE NOW!!!!" came up. I did so, and two deer ran out from behind some shrubs and across the road in front of me. I'll take that assistance any day!

The blind spot detection on the side mirrors is also worth it's weight in gold. When a vehicle is riding in your blind spot, a bright yellow warning indicator lights up on the side mirror. Pretty cool. On my other Tacomas, I stuck one of those little convex mirror dots in the lower outside corner of the mirrors to help with this when driving on multi lane highways. This works even better. The mirrors also are heated - also a plus.

In addition to a backup camera, there's also sensors on the rear bumper that warn you if you're getting close to hitting something while backing up. There's also cross traffic warnings if you're backing out of a parking spot or your driveway. Most helpful! Sometimes vehicles seemingly come out of nowhere no matter how much you look while backing up.

All in all, I like all these safety features. At my age, I'll take all the help I can get.

[wyntrout]

Ed, we didn't get any of that stuff. I just use my Mark 1 calibrated eyeball to keep from running over stuff or critters, though it is taxing and help at night would be nice with the deer and elk!

We got the basic 2.5i CVT model and a few options... plus a few more I'm having added. I wouldn't mind FLIR or infrared sensors for those deer, though. :D

I know what you mean about the collision and lane warning "features". I have those on my fairly recent Garmin GPS/Dash Cam. I have the collision warning, but the lane departure was too intrusive and it sounded like a pinball machine with both of those things sounding.

Most of the warnings and cautions had to do with keeping stuff away from the airbag/curtain deployment areas as they could become missiles and injure the occupants!

We have the backup camera, which is neat. I'm trying to "calibrate" it mentally so that I know where those marks on the screen put me. The trip computer and efficiency readouts are interesting, but I want to restart the average miles per gallon etc., where there wasn't a lot of idling at 0mpg. Those longer periods weigh heavily on the "average". I'm used to stuff like that and restart those on my Ultra Gauge hooked to the OBD in my Van. I get around 11-12 mpg around town and starting a trip with that weighted data will never give you a good average on your trip with mostly highway speeds and maybe 17mpg... at 80+mph. :D

[Buzzard45]

what a coincidence! was shooting the breeze with my next door neighbor last evening, and he says the neighbor on the other side wants to sell his car, subaru forester 06? wants 1500 for it, gonna go talk to him later today. looks much better shape than my rust bucket 00 Fix Or Repair Daily explorer. (just gotta scrounge up a little dough)

[wyntrout]

I have the Consumer Reports Buying Guides going back to before 2006 and tracked the 2006 through the 2013 guide. The Forester looks very good... better or much better than average. It dropped from the guide after that. They only went back so far.

If the seller is upfront with any problems or at least not secretive that could be a good deal. It's only $1,500 but repairs can be a multiplier.

Those Subarus have a pretty good rep for reliability.

[ltxi]

I'm a car salesman's worst nightmare. I spent 11 hours on the sales floor once getting a pickup for what I wanted.

A quick story related to Beretta's young kid salesmen.

I was at our local Chevy dealer looking for a pickup for the wife. Had my son with me and we're going down the line looking at trucks, used and new.
One new one caught my fancy and I told the guy I just had to sit in it. So we finangled the chair up to where I could get in.

As I was doing that I noticed it had manual crank windows. It's been so long since I saw manual windows I just knew I had to have fun with the kid.
So I pushed the middle of the knob and of course nothing happened. I said oh,,,,,,must have to have the key on.

Kid says no, and turned the crank to lower the window. I went all shock and awe, and asked if I could try it.
So then I asked so if I'm in a driving rain storm with the window down and a dead battery I can just turn this dealy hymer and roll the window up?

He said yes. I asked if I ordered a new truck could I order this type of window and how much extra?

He said they come that way, power windows are extra, I'm like no way dude!

As we go into the showroom I see him kind of whisper to an older salesman that I must have fell off a turnip truck.
Guy came over and asked how old I was, so I told him, he said you got that kid so messed up in the head it'll take weeks for him to be normal again.

Told him mission accomplished.

Great story....sounds like somethin' I'd like to do.

[berettabone]

I went back to the Honda dealership where I get them serviced, and didn't even recognize the sales group. Turn em over faster than flapjacks. True story......at that dealership, I'm looking over new Accords and the young salesman(I use that term loosely) approaches me in the lot. Tells me his name, and gives me his business card. I'm sorry if I offend anyone, but I look at the card and he says, "Kind of a crappy picture, but I was stoned when they took that, but I'm not high now." "Can I help you." His name isn't Steven, or Steve, or Stephen, it's Stevie.................Foolish, foolish boy...………..we get in the showroom by his desk, and he pulls the same crap. "Points to a computer and says that this is what you'll pay." I said, "What about my trade?" I didn't have it there at the time, but explained the situation with the car, and said I already knew that the trade value was low. He says that he has to see the car first, and I say "Why?" I already explained the condition and all of the service records are here, you can look them up. So, he points to the computer screen again, and says that this is what you'll pay minus your trade in. I basically told him that he was as useful as a saddle on a gerbil. Then I told him that I really didn't care about his commission, his family or his dog. It was my job to get the best price on a vehicle. If he was just going to sit there and point at a computer screen, I will go elsewhere. This all took a while, and by the time we were done, he was almost crying, and was at the sales desk getting advice on how to deal with me. They were all watching me walk out, and the sales manager didn't look happy...………..I'm not the kind of person that cares what your bag is, or what you do behind closed doors, but stoned Stevie meets berettabone for the first time, and tells him he stoned, and his name is Stevie???? Who could resist...………….:p

[wyntrout]

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[Ed M]

Damn. All this drama with buying a new vehicle.

I've been going to the same Toyota dealer since 2003. Not ONE complaint from me since then.

Back in 2003, I searched for the truck I wanted online, and found one at a dealer about 45 minutes away. The local Toyota dealer didn't have one just like it. I called and asked if they still had that truck in stock. They said yes.

Drove down there and barely opened the door on my vehicle when I was approached by a salesman. I had the web page of the truck I wanted printed out, and I asked to see it. Salesman said "Let me show you this one...". I said, no, I want to see THIS one.

After we went to his desk, I finally found out they didn't have it - never did. I was pissed, and told the guy I'm not wasting any more time there. Got up to leave, and he said he wasn't gonna let me leave until we looked at another truck. I started for the door, and he blocked the aisle. I told him he best get out of my way before he gets hurt.

On the way home, I stopped at my current dealership, got out of my vehicle and started walking around looking at the trucks. They had one exactly like I wanted, but in a different color. No salesman in sight.

I walked up to the showroom door, and a salesman opened the door for me, and said "Welcome to Krause Toyota. Can I get you a cup of coffee?"

They've always treated me like family, and they still do. This is my third Tacoma from them. Same salesman. Same service manager and assistant service managers. Many of the same mechanics.

They're the oldest Toyota dealership in the USA - they opened in 1959. They're the only dealership I trust, and they've earned it.

https://krausetoyota.com/

[berettabone]

In my younger days, I used to work at car dealerships. Dodge, American Motors, Jeep, Lincoln Mercury, Fiat, Lancia, and Alfa Romeo. Great places to work, some not so great to do business with. Dealerships can afford to give away the farm, and still make a decent profit, especially if you become a maintenance customer. I would think that the profit margin would be about the same as it was back then. If they sold a vehicle for the sticker price, the profit was between 8-15% minus their costs prepping the vehicle. They also have something called holdback, where the manufacturers give cash back to a dealer on certain models. Hard to sell models usually get a larger holdback payment. It can be anywhere from $ 0-5000. The place where I bought my Subaru has a sign on the wall. A few years back, they sold 352 cars in one month.

[jeepster09]

Ok....my wife looked at new vehicle and thought she would sit on it and see if she liked it....
well she liked it and I got a picture.:2eek: What do you think?

[Bawanna]

You know what just happened a little bit in my mouth.

[jeepster09]

Well we could paint it. Kinda fond of the Green/Black myself.

[wyntrout]

Dang! The front wheels are still on the ground! :D

[berettabone]

I had a situation yesterday. The wifey needed a new battery in the Honda, and had a nail in a rear tire. We decided to go to the dealership and have the repairs done. They wanted $132 dollars to replace the battery, and $46.19 to repair the tire. Well, we were already there, so we decided to bite the bullet even though I thought the price they quoted was ridiculous. I didn't feel like wasting my whole day screwing around in 90 degree weather, and sitting in a waiting room. This dealership has recently gotten a new facelift, new facility, lots of people walking around getting paid to do nothing, which explains the prices. After 2 hrs. the service person tells me that the nail is too close to the sidewall, and I needed a new tire. I told him that about 6 months prior, the wifey had a nail in the tire, and I told her to just go to the dealership and get it fixed. Well, they told her the same thing. The nail was too close to the sidewall, and they couldn't fix it. I told her to bring the car home. I took it down the road and had it fixed in 15 minutes for $25. Then they tell me that the technician said that the cable ends were very corroded, and he was afraid that when removing them, they would crumble, so I needed new cables, which were $150 plus $65 labor to install. I said why don't you just put new cable ends on. All of a sudden that was an option for $4.00 a piece, but they still wanted $65 for labor to put them on and " clean things up" I asked, since it was going to be a new battery, and the cable ends were going to be new, what was there to clean up. No answer. I then said, so you can't fix the tire and you want me to buy a new tire, of which you won't have a match with the other tires so I'll have to buy at least 2 tires, and I will not drive my vehicle with 2 different sets anyway. Then you want $97 for a battery and $35 labor to put it in, and then you want $150 for new cables plus $65 labor to connect those. I was livid. The wifey backed away because she knew all hell was about to break loose. I asked him if the word turnip truck was written on my forehead, and I told him that I should have brought some condoms, because they were trying to give me a good, well you know. I told them that I have been a customer of theirs for 18 years, even bringing oil changes to them, knowing I could get them done cheaper elsewhere. I had purchased 3 new cars from them and this is how they treat a customer. I said I guess they've got this new building and all these people walking around with their thumbs in their arse, and I guess someone has to pay for it. Well it wasn't going to be me. I told them I also should have brought a rain coat, because while in their waiting room, I heard so much bull crap being flung, I felt dirty. I also felt sorry for the other people getting raped and not really knowing it, because they don't take the time to educate themselves on the workings of the automobile. I told them that they would never receive another dime of my money for any reason. Told them to get my car off of the lift. Took the wifey home. Went to the same place as last time to get the tire fixed. 15 minutes, $25, and they were busier than heck. I do all of my tire business there and these guys work out of a small shop. Then, I went to the Remy Battery Co. and got a new battery installed in 15 minutes. He had no issues removing the cables from the battery, brought out his acid bucket, dipped the cable ends in and voila, looked like brand new. Should have just done all of that from the start. It's all about convenience. Blow a bit of hot air, give you some free popcorn, and rake you over the coals. Go in for a tire repair and a battery, and end up leaving $345 lighter not counting the new tire/tires. Absolutely crazy. Never again for them. I told them that I would make sure and tell everyone to stay away from their dealership, and if per chance they went there, to bring a rain suit and plenty of condoms. They've already called me 3 times today. I know that they don't really give 2 dumps, but it made me feel better.

[wyntrout]

Wow! I guess y'all don't have a Sam's Club or Costco. I get all of that stuff done there and always get the Roadhandler Warranty on new tires... flats fixed, tired rotated and balanced for the life of the tire for like $15 a tire at installation. Battery installation free. Maybe Walmart, too?

[CharlieW]

I have the Consumer Reports Buying Guides going back to before 2006 and tracked the 2006 through the 2013 guide. The Forester looks very good... better or much better than average. It dropped from the guide after that. They only went back so far.

If the seller is upfront with any problems or at least not secretive that could be a good deal. It's only $1,500 but repairs can be a multiplier.

Those Subarus have a pretty good rep for reliability.

My son-in-law has an Outback near that vintage, and it needed new head gaskets, which is an expensive repair. This is a known problem that was addressed with a new design in production. On the older cars, the fix is to replace the head gaskets with the new design, and the problem is solved.

[Buzzard45]

confirmed its an 06, one owner, new head gaskets at around 45k mi.,new radiator about three yrs. ago, new(ish) tires w` about 10k., new state safety & emissions inspection (til 9/19) .
140+k. mi.
gonna need a new battery
only known problem is the ac works... sometimes... can live with that as its meant to be back up to primary;)
good enough for a poor bloke like me.
will finalize early next week

[wyntrout]

We still only have about 92 miles on the car! Wifey sat in it today and I showed her the light controls and the front and rear wiper controls. Tried the voice control thingy, but she want nothing to do with that. :D

I got the rest of the things, almost all I wanted, installed yesterday... rear compartment cover, side moldings( I already added clear door edge guards), front lower bumper protector, and fog lights. I added about $1k of options at the dealership.

Maybe Wifey will drive it this week. I have a feeling that I'll borrow it a lot when she's staying home... which may be less often with the new ride. I just love how it wants to zip around... so much easier than my V-8 powered van.

Our street is torn up on our side for drain and curb installation and yesterday I got to go "offroad" to get around our torn up driveway and the large digging equipment in the way. It's nice to have the clearance to drive off the sloped front yard.

They filled in the holes with sand so we can get in and out.

The construction crew works from about 9am to 4pm, and not won weekends, I guess. I don't know how things will get when they start pouring concrete. :eek:

[Buzzard45]

Wyn, hoping the wifey is getting to like her new buggy, but not so much that she wont let ya "borrow" it occasionally!