New carry

[berettabone]

I hated to do it, but I have parted ways with my MK9 after almost 9 years of carry. It was just becoming too difficult to rack the slide or disassemble for cleaning. If I ever would have had to clear a jam or any other issue under duress, it would have been difficult and slow and dangerous. I'll miss it..…………………………….At the same time I was contemplating saying adios, undenounced to me, the wifey wasn't happy with her mode of carry. She said that her firearm was getting a bit heavy and it was a bit large for the way she likes to carry. So, we made a deal. I let go of the MK9, she let's go of her firearm, which I was happy to take over as my new carry firearm, and she gets a new Ruger LCP II. Everybody happy...…………………………………..This is my new carry. Gave up a couple of rounds but I feel that it's plenty. I'll be using 38 +p or .357. Stout enough for me:) I'll have a report on the Elsie Pea after some range time...………………….

[Bawanna]

Absolutely nothing wrong with that, I have the 22 version of that for my wife to play with, always planned to get the 357 as a running mate.

No need to adios neither, owning a Kahr is not a prerequisite to being or remaining a part of our little family.

[Armybrat]

Good choice. If the DA trigger pull gets to be too heavy, there are replacement spring kits available.

I do not carry mine, but it has served as my car travel gun for 25+ years.

[Armybrat]

And if you want an extra round, you could switch over to the six shot .327 Federal Magnum version....

[berettabone]

Good choice. If the DA trigger pull gets to be too heavy, there are replacement spring kits available.

I do not carry mine, but it has served as my car travel gun for 25+ years. I don't feel under gunned with 38+P's. They have some nice loads out there. Running an 8# trigger spring, a 9# hammer spring, shims, polish. I had it set up for the wife. I've always loved the firearm. Really smooth trigger. I can get three fingers on the stock grip. I think that I got the better part of the deal. May change the grips, but any other grip changes the aim point of the firearm. Many people have changed, only to go back to the stock grips. I see you have the snakeskin inserts on your .327...……. Always liked them...……………………………….

[JohnR]

Sweet! I’ve been J-Framing a lot, lately.

[kwh]

I have 5 kahrs accumulated over the years. Do not carry the .45 CW much, due to pain in my wrist when shooting it.
I have 3 Ruger SP101's. I like the size of the gun and grips.
38 Spl. 3" Bbl.,bought before the .357 mag was available. Do not see any need to move up to a .357 Mag.
4" Bbl. .22 l.r.. Bought just before .22 l.r.. ammo became unobtainable. Now I have 1000's of rounds through it.
Most recently .327 Fed mag. 4" bbl.
All have been polished internally and shims added.
Front sight of .38 Spl. painted red with nail polish. I like the trench sights.
.327 Federal Mag was recently gifted with an aperture rear sight to help my ageing eye sight.
I reload for centerfire revolvers.

[jeepster09]

I recently got one of those Rugers. It called to me on a visit to local gun shop and ended up following me home.

[Bawanna]

Love the grips on that one, don't hardly even look like a Ruger. Totally different look.

[JohnR]

Yeah, polished and shiny. Nice looking grips. That would be hard to pass up.

[jeepster09]

I guess it is a Talo High Polish version. I took the grips off and added an XS Big Dot so that I don't damage the grips and use it in carry rotation.

[berettabone]

Love the grips on that one, don't hardly even look like a Ruger. Totally different look. Those grips are made by Altamont……………………….

[Bawanna]

I might have to try whittling out a set. Didn't seem to compute that I don't have to make them the way the factory rubber ones are made.

I'm made a grip panel inserts in the past. Couple officers here just got these, must be a trend.

[berettabone]

It's a trade off if you've never shot your revolver with different grips. It changes the sight angle and the way you hold the firearm. They sure make it easier to carry, but there's that sight thing. With my hands, I can get a three finger grip on the stock grips. Not so much with the wood grips, unless they're the full size type. For the cool factor, I think that the full size grips look funny on the smaller framed SP101. It makes a difference if you have the propensity to shoot or carry the .357 round, which I do. It's a secondary gun for LE, so that grip thing may not be as important. I sure do like the look of wood grips on a revolver though. My grips are a bit worn, but for now I'll just get some of the stock rubber ones that have the texturing for a better grip. Not sure about inserts. That comes under the heading of "bling".:p They come with above average inserts IMHO...…………………………………………………..

[berettabone]

I guess it is a Talo High Polish version. I took the grips off and added an XS Big Dot so that I don't damage the grips and use it in carry rotation.I like and use the Big Dot's. I've got the brass bead on the revolver. For now, a bit of paint and we'll see how it goes.

[berettabone]

It's funny how life treats you...…………………...started my handgun firearm life shooting revolvers. After all of the years, and we won't say how many firearms, I'm back to where I started. I think I probably knew it would happen all along.:)

[Bawanna]

I just ordered a new rubber grip for ours, making the insert panels kind of wore out the original ones. I'll save the new set and use the old set for any inserts I make and test fit on the new grip to make sure they fit right.

The rubber grips do feel fine and with my girly man small hands they work great. I just like wood or most of all stag the best.

I often times find a wood grip that feels good and try to match it or modify it a bit to make it even better for me.

[berettabone]

I just got my new stock grips that I ordered for my SP...…………………..the wifey shined up the other set carrying it. Those rubber grips actually get shiny with carry wear..................….We picked up the wifey's new LCP II yesterday. Everything that was supposed to be there was there. Which is not always the case!!!! It came clean, lubed, and ready to go. I still broke it down and did my thing. I wasn't crazy about the pin that holds the glue together, but for a $200 gun, I guess you have to scrimp somewhere. The wifey had to go out of town, so I got to play with it. It's tight, but not as tight as a Kahr. They want you to slingshot this thing. Not a slide release, a slide stop!!! Actually, for the denaro, it's a nice little piece. The trigger in dry fire felt pretty nice. Nice clean break, just like advertised. Does feel a tad like a 1911 trigger. We'll see how it shoots soon. I painted the front sight white, at her mistresses request. It needed color having black on black sights. It definitely needs some rounds through to loosen up a bit. Even with the finger extension on the magazine, I could still only get 2 fingers on it. It actually felt more comfortable with the standard mag base. I can see how this thing is a dream to carry. I know the wife will be happy with the size and the weight. We'll see how the shootin goes......………………….

[ct9kahrtoter]

I hated to do it, but I have parted ways with my MK9 after almost 9 years of carry. It was just becoming too difficult to rack the slide or disassemble for cleaning. If I ever would have had to clear a jam or any other issue under duress, it would have been difficult and slow and dangerous. I'll miss it..…………………………….At the same time I was contemplating saying adios, undenounced to me, the wifey wasn't happy with her mode of carry. She said that her firearm was getting a bit heavy and it was a bit large for the way she likes to carry. So, we made a deal. I let go of the MK9, she let's go of her firearm, which I was happy to take over as my new carry firearm, and she gets a new Ruger LCP II. Everybody happy...…………………………………..This is my new carry. Gave up a couple of rounds but I feel that it's plenty. I'll be using 38 +p or .357. Stout enough for me:) I'll have a report on the Elsie Pea after some range time...………………….Oh man, looks like you did pretty good to me!

[King Rat]

I hated to do it, but I have parted ways with my MK9 after almost 9 years of carry. It was just becoming too difficult to rack the slide or disassemble for cleaning. If I ever would have had to clear a jam or any other issue under duress, it would have been difficult and slow and dangerous. I'll miss it..…………………………….At the same time I was contemplating saying adios, undenounced to me, the wifey wasn't happy with her mode of carry. She said that her firearm was getting a bit heavy and it was a bit large for the way she likes to carry. So, we made a deal. I let go of the MK9, she let's go of her firearm, which I was happy to take over as my new carry firearm, and she gets a new Ruger LCP II. Everybody happy...…………………………………..This is my new carry. Gave up a couple of rounds but I feel that it's plenty. I'll be using 38 +p or .357. Stout enough for me:) I'll have a report on the Elsie Pea after some range time...………………….

NICE! Looking for the report on the SP. Sometimes I think of just going back to the simplicity of the Revolver. Just ordered the book I saw on another forum. Really like your SP. I would not mind having one in 9mm.

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Love shooting them. Just plain fun.

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[I_Like_Turtles]

My father is in his 70's and shoots my Smith and Wesson 1911 Performance Center roundbutt like a IPSC champion! However, he told me "if he could rack the slide, he'd carry it."

So when he does carry it's a Smith and Wesson J-frame 638.

I mostly pocket carry and that's usually the same revolver. I carry a speed strip reload in a Simply Rugged speed strip pouch. I hope to go to a Safariland speed loader in an Andrews Leather slim loader pouch as soon as Mr. Andrews gets it out to me.

[Bawanna]

My wife carries a 638, it's a nice light carry gun. A member here long ago had one and had the frame reduced on both sides of the hammer so he could get a better purchase on it if he wanted to single action it. I thought it was a great idea.
My wife never does the single action thing but I do all the time. If it has a hammer I cock it.
Your dad's my hero wanting to carry a 1911, be nice to figure out a way to do that.

[berettabone]

AS long as it's cocked and locked, why worry about racking the slide????????? It's a 1911. It should be foolproof??????????:faint2:

[I_Like_Turtles]

Your wife carries the 638? That's neat. People argue against DA/SA revolvers but I have seen the time I needed to put something down via headshot and thank God I had the ability. I can shoot my 638 well out to 15 yards double action but the ability to thumb cock and retain a snag-free pocket holster draw is a great combination.

I have the larger size CT laser grips on mine.

The headshot I made was on a wounded raccoon that had run under my rear wheel at 4 AM one morning. I am not one to allow an animal to suffer but this was on a tight curve with no place to walk. Shooting it from the car was the only safe option. I lit it up with my flashlight, cocked, and used the laser grip to put a round behind his left ear. The animal seemed to know what I was up to as he turned parallel to my car seconds before I fired. I had earplugs in (carry in car) and there is nothing but dense forest on that road.

I could not have done that with a double action.

LOL....nothing is foolproof! It was amazing to see dad shoot the 1911 as well as he did, given his bad eyesight, not shooting a firearm of any kind since the early 1990's, and he hadn't shot a 1911 since 1962. :w00t:

[Bawanna]

AS long as it's cocked and locked, why worry about racking the slide????????? It's a 1911. It should be foolproof??????????:faint2:

I know folks that subscribe to that theory and like carrying a 380, it's better than nothing. My mom's last boyfriend had a very nice Colt Commercial 1911, I wanted it badly but he promised it to a grandson. He couldn't rack the slide as it was tight and insisted on an empty chamber. Probably best as I think he was already in the early stages of dementia but great guy. I tried to explain what is the point of having a gun you can't load. I know a few others that just have to have somebody else load the chamber and then think the can just reload as long as it locks back. A much sounder plan, no fool proof and they'll probably wet themselves before the first mag runs dry but my hats off to them for trying hard anyhow. Heck I'll probably so the same thing.

[berettabone]

Your wife carries the 638? That's neat. People argue against DA/SA revolvers but I have seen the time I needed to put something down via headshot and thank God I had the ability. I can shoot my 638 well out to 15 yards double action but the ability to thumb cock and retain a snag-free pocket holster draw is a great combination.

I have the larger size CT laser grips on mine.

The headshot I made was on a wounded raccoon that had run under my rear wheel at 4 AM one morning. I am not one to allow an animal to suffer but this was on a tight curve with no place to walk. Shooting it from the car was the only safe option. I lit it up with my flashlight, cocked, and used the laser grip to put a round behind his left ear. The animal seemed to know what I was up to as he turned parallel to my car seconds before I fired. I had earplugs in (carry in car) and there is nothing but dense forest on that road.

I could not have done that with a double action.

LOL....nothing is foolproof! It was amazing to see dad shoot the 1911 as well as he did, given his bad eyesight, not shooting a firearm of any kind since the early 1990's, and he hadn't shot a 1911 since 1962. :w00t:
I don't know why you couldn't do it with a double action. It's the ONLY type of firearm I carry. I could have done it with a toothpick. I would have put the toothpick on my console, and ran his ass over again. Case closed.:)

[getsome]

Bone, I like your style!

[I_Like_Turtles]

I don't know why you couldn't do it with a double action. It's the ONLY type of firearm I carry. I could have done it with a toothpick. I would have put the toothpick on my console, and ran his ass over again. Case closed.:)

"double action....the ONLY type of firearm you carry?" Isn't this thread about the "new choice in carry".....a revolver with an exposed hammer? I thought exposed hammers with hammer spurs tended to indicate a single action capability. Did I miss something? :confused: :roll:

Just giving you a hard time....you did walk into that one.

I doubt very many people can shoot one-handed, at night, with a J-frame, double action, and put a round into a target the size of a quarter....I could be wrong but I doubt very many people can do that sitting down, out a car window. Maybe they can, but I'm just not seeing it.

He had run under my car, with me even going into the other lane to avoid him.....I considered running him over straight on to put him down but figured that might not finish him and it might damage my car's bumper cover. Headshot seemed the best option and I'm glad I was able to do it humanely.

[boscobarbell]

Love shooting them. Just plain fun.






I agree. I was explaining the allure to my son, a novice shooter. The nearest analogy I could reach is that they are like driving a stick on a sports car. Sure, technology now allows auto transmissions to shift faster and more efficiently. But nothing beats the feel of rowing through the gears when you get it right.

Revolvers are like that for me. Plus there is the "old school cool" factor, as well as the inherent reliability.

Of course, one has to accept a loss of ammo capacity, as part of that deal. And the fact that reloads, even with A LOT of practice, just aren't as simple as swapping magazines. Of course, there aren't many SD scenarios that 5 rounds of even mild .357 can't handle, if I do my part.

My only other gripe is that, for the smaller revolvers, sights can be a real issue. Not a problem for the 3-7 yard range, but when you start to stretch things out (infinitesimally rare in actual SD shoots), the trough and post setups can be a challenge. My M&P 340 has a front big dot, which is awesome. But I was disappointed to learn that the LCP in .327 doesn't have any night sight options, which so far has kept me from grabbing one. (Well, that and the fact that I just find those plastic revolvers nasty looking...although, after handling one at my LGS, I'm starting to be won over by the sheer mechanical excellence of them. Maybe I just need to shed my old school reflex that just couldn't accept a plastic revolver.)

[berettabone]

I agree. I was explaining the allure to my son, a novice shooter. The nearest analogy I could reach is that they are like driving a stick on a sports car. Sure, technology now allows auto transmissions to shift faster and more efficiently. But nothing beats the feel of rowing through the gears when you get it right.

Revolvers are like that for me. Plus there is the "old school cool" factor, as well as the inherent reliability.

Of course, one has to accept a loss of ammo capacity, as part of that deal. And the fact that reloads, even with A LOT of practice, just aren't as simple as swapping magazines. Of course, there aren't many SD scenarios that 5 rounds of even mild .357 can't handle, if I do my part.

My only other gripe is that, for the smaller revolvers, sights can be a real issue. Not a problem for the 3-7 yard range, but when you start to stretch things out (infinitesimally rare in actual SD shoots), the trough and post setups can be a challenge. My M&P 340 has a front big dot, which is awesome. But I was disappointed to learn that the LCP in .327 doesn't have any night sight options, which so far has kept me from grabbing one. (Well, that and the fact that I just find those plastic revolvers nasty looking...although, after handling one at my LGS, I'm starting to be won over by the sheer mechanical excellence of them. Maybe I just need to shed my old school reflex that just couldn't accept a plastic revolver.) No plastic revolvers for this guy...…………...my Wiley Clapp SP weighs in at 27 ozs. but it's a nice weight to buck any recoil. I've got the Novak style rear sight with a brass bead front which I paint white. A Big Dot would be nice on the front.....maybe down the road.

[I_Like_Turtles]

Unless FBI stats have changed in the last 20 or so years, most shootings occur at like 3 yards or less and are over in 2.7 rounds or whatever that was. "Short distance, violent affairs" is what one magazine article on the subject stated.

A snub nosed revolver will do well and won't ever have a double feed to contend with.

Although we often have Stand Your Ground laws, if one can avoid a gunfight, it's best to do just that, and thus, long range shooting isn't something most of us are going to need to do. The revolver is going to fit the bill most of the time and be easier to manipulate, just like Massad Ayoob wrote in his book, In the Gravest Extreme.

[boscobarbell]

Agreed 100%.

My only caveat is that we seem to be living in a time of increased "active shooter" incidents. I still have grade school kids, and as such spend a portion of most weeks at school events where several dozen, or even hundreds, of people are in attendance. I've increasingly been reaching for my pistols with better capacity/better sights for those occasions, as I just don't like my odds if I've only got a 5-shot snubby with me. Again, the odds are probably greater that I'll be hit by lighting, but it stills makes me feel better.

But just running to the store or driving around my little town, one of my j-frames or micro 380s would seem to be more than I'd ever need.

[boscobarbell]

I've got the Novak style rear sight with a brass bead front which I paint white. A Big Dot would be nice on the front.....maybe down the road.

Are brass beads stock, or is that something a gunsmith will add to a ramp sight?

[berettabone]

Are brass beads stock, or is that something a gunsmith will add to a ramp sight? I would imagine that both would be the answer. Mine came stock with the firearm.

[I_Like_Turtles]

Agreed 100%.

My only caveat is that we seem to be living in a time of increased "active shooter" incidents. I still have grade school kids, and as such spend a portion of most weeks at school events where several dozen, or even hundreds, of people are in attendance. I've increasingly been reaching for my pistols with better capacity/better sights for those occasions, as I just don't like my odds if I've only got a 5-shot snubby with me. Again, the odds are probably greater that I'll be hit by lighting, but it stills makes me feel better.

But just running to the store or driving around my little town, one of my j-frames or micro 380s would seem to be more than I'd ever need.

Gosh no, nothing wrong with longer sight radius and a higher capacity and that's why there is more than one handgun I carry.

When someone asks "what do you carry?" I reply "it depends on where I'm going, what I'll be wearing, and what I plan to be doing."

I practice pretty extensively with all my carry arms and that single action option the 638 offers....that might come in handy if a precise shot is needed across a room.

[berettabone]

Gosh no, nothing wrong with longer sight radius and a higher capacity and that's why there is more than one handgun I carry.

When someone asks "what do you carry?" I reply "it depends on where I'm going, what I'll be wearing, and what I plan to be doing."

I practice pretty extensively with all my carry arms and that single action option the 638 offers....that might come in handy if a precise shot is needed across a room. Hopefully, that precise shot across a room doesn't have to be made with a 638:ohmy:

[Artie]

Not bad at all. I likes my SP101 and the wife liked it so much she hadda have one of her own. I found another at a good price and now the son has one of his own.

[Scott321]

Nice! When weather/clothing allows, I often carry the 66-8 2.75" loaded with 357.

[I_Like_Turtles]

You carry a Model 66? Impressive!

I have a Model 66-1 with 4 inch barrel. I haven't carried it but may if and when I get back into 4-wheeler riding in the woods.

[Scott321]

You carry a Model 66? Impressive!

I have a Model 66-1 with 4 inch barrel. I haven't carried it but may if and when I get back into 4-wheeler riding in the woods.

The Pachmayr Compac grips are comfotable at the range and aren't too bulbous for CCW. I like the Kramer horsehide Belt Scabbard, but might go with the Vertical Scabbard in the future. I'll sometimes use the Desantis Second Six speedloader pouch (not pictured).

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[340pd]

After any gunfight, nobody has said, "I had too much ammunition."
Love revolvers but the world has changed.

[berettabone]

From what I've seen over the years at ranges and so forth, most people couldn't hit the broad side of a barn at 50 ft. They need all that ammo to increase their odds of actually hitting something their aiming at. Most people who carry revolvers seem to be able to shoot, and have no need for extra ammo or mags. If you by chance get in to a gunfight, your a fool, no matter what your choice of carry. If one or two .357's doesn't do the trick, your in for a bad day. How many people that you know have actually been in a gunfight??????? Unless you've served over seas during war time, I doubt if there are any. That's why LE carry rifles. That's why our service people carry rifles. Going in to a gunfight with a pistol is nothing short of foolish at the least. If people want to continue to carry extra rounds and extra mags and endure all of that extra weight and inconvenience, go for it. There's only one reason why they make large capacity mags for handguns, and it sure isn't for carry. Glock=30 rd. mag= foolish.:cool:

[Bawanna]

I agree for the most part except for LE. They need all the ammo they can carry as they can be surprised and away from the car/rifle. They also seek out the shooter where as we protect ourselves and our families and to some extent everybody else but don't pursue.

[King Rat]

From what I've seen over the years at ranges and so forth, most people couldn't hit the broad side of a barn at 50 ft. They need all that ammo to increase their odds of actually hitting something their aiming at. Most people who carry revolvers seem to be able to shoot, and have no need for extra ammo or mags. If you by chance get in to a gunfight, your a fool, no matter what your choice of carry. If one or two .357's doesn't do the trick, your in for a bad day. How many people that you know have actually been in a gunfight??????? Unless you've served over seas during war time, I doubt if there are any. That's why LE carry rifles. That's why our service people carry rifles. Going in to a gunfight with a pistol is nothing short of foolish at the least. If people want to continue to carry extra rounds and extra mags and endure all of that extra weight and inconvenience, go for it. There's only one reason why they make large capacity mags for handguns, and it sure isn't for carry. Glock=30 rd. mag= foolish.:cool:

Could not agree more. Personally I think the internet has produced so much propaganda that gun owners are as far to the right as anti's are to the left. I have been shooting all my life and carrying for over 10 yrs. I live in a city of about a half million. I have tried to get as much info as possible. Seldom if any gun attacks have been over three rounds fired. Just do not see it. The was a poll on two other forums. Both over overwhelmingly said from members that they have never even shot their firearm. And a very small percentage more than two rounds. Another forum had a Picture of one of the members with a large duty gun and 4 magazines as his EDC. My back started to ache just looking at this weight carried each day.
And you are right, go to a range on Sunday and the place is packed. And how many can even shoot a good group at 7 yds.
I do not know, I guess if you live in a area with a lot of cartels, and in some combat zones you need all these round, extra magazines, backups etc. Maybe you will be in a Miami style shootout someday. But I think the odds are just not there. Most of the shooting were I live are down in the hood. And yes, sometimes a drive by style, but most end with one or two shots. Heck, the internet looks down on you if you have a standard 20ga for home defense. Seems you have to have a Military/Police shotgun to protect your family. I have nothing against AR's. But do I really need one to protect my family? In this neighborhood where the biggest news of the day is what the Garden Club will do this spring?

And yes, I love to shoot. Not so much for protection, but just because I enjoy shooting. And I do a lot. And I love revolvers. Even owning one will get you many frowns from internet. Sorry, but I still train to hit with the first shot, spend a lot of time drawing. Heck, it you can't hit with the first round, then you are most likely dead anyway.

Folks can carry and believe what they want. I have no problem with this at all. Just not me. I have always trained based on what I believe will be the most likely attack and it is based on this chart I have had for years. And my goal has always been to NOT be the average shooter.

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[DavidR]

I agree completely. [emoji2957]

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[I_Like_Turtles]

King Rat.....glad someone has been paying attention. :) I generally carry a revolver, S&W J-frame, pocket carry. In winter pocket carry works better than OWB or IWB because there is no jacket or coat to unzip. Most shootings are handled in less than 3 rounds and at arm's length, based on the stats I read some 20 years ago and I doubt it's changed much. "Short range, extremely violent affair" is what the magazine article stated if I recall correctly.

I didn't like that article because I didn't want the bad guy to get that close! Bad guys don't announce intentions like we keep thinking they should.

Pocket carry, like all concealed carry, needs some degree of "staging of the draw" but that's pretty easy, no one seems to notice one putting their hand in their pocket.

It is true that most people do not prepare themselves at all for the possibility of needing deadly force.

[berettabone]

I agree for the most part except for LE. They need all the ammo they can carry as they can be surprised and away from the car/rifle. They also seek out the shooter where as we protect ourselves and our families and to some extent everybody else but don't pursue. I assumed that was a given...…………………………..:)

[berettabone]

Could not agree more. Personally I think the internet has produced so much propaganda that gun owners are as far to the right as anti's are to the left. I have been shooting all my life and carrying for over 10 yrs. I live in a city of about a half million. I have tried to get as much info as possible. Seldom if any gun attacks have been over three rounds fired. Just do not see it. The was a poll on two other forums. Both over overwhelmingly said from members that they have never even shot their firearm. And a very small percentage more than two rounds. Another forum had a Picture of one of the members with a large duty gun and 4 magazines as his EDC. My back started to ache just looking at this weight carried each day.
And you are right, go to a range on Sunday and the place is packed. And how many can even shoot a good group at 7 yds.
I do not know, I guess if you live in a area with a lot of cartels, and in some combat zones you need all these round, extra magazines, backups etc. Maybe you will be in a Miami style shootout someday. But I think the odds are just not there. Most of the shooting were I live are down in the hood. And yes, sometimes a drive by style, but most end with one or two shots. Heck, the internet looks down on you if you have a standard 20ga for home defense. Seems you have to have a Military/Police shotgun to protect your family. I have nothing against AR's. But do I really need one to protect my family? In this neighborhood where the biggest news of the day is what the Garden Club will do this spring?

And yes, I love to shoot. Not so much for protection, but just because I enjoy shooting. And I do a lot. And I love revolvers. Even owning one will get you many frowns from internet. Sorry, but I still train to hit with the first shot, spend a lot of time drawing. Heck, it you can't hit with the first round, then you are most likely dead anyway.

Folks can carry and believe what they want. I have no problem with this at all. Just not me. I have always trained based on what I believe will be the most likely attack and it is based on this chart I have had for years. And my goal has always been to NOT be the average shooter.

https://i.imgur.com/w17xrTB.jpg?3 That's a/the part that really bothers me...………...people carrying firearms that they have never even shot, and in some cases, have never even cleaned. I see people PAYING to get their firearm/handgun cleaned. They can't be bothered with that.:boink:

[jeepster09]

From what I've seen over the years at ranges and so forth, most people couldn't hit the broad side of a barn at 50 ft. They need all that ammo to increase their odds of actually hitting something their aiming at. Most people who carry revolvers seem to be able to shoot, and have no need for extra ammo or mags. If you by chance get in to a gunfight, your a fool, no matter what your choice of carry. If one or two .357's doesn't do the trick, your in for a bad day. How many people that you know have actually been in a gunfight??????? Unless you've served over seas during war time, I doubt if there are any. That's why LE carry rifles. That's why our service people carry rifles. Going in to a gunfight with a pistol is nothing short of foolish at the least. If people want to continue to carry extra rounds and extra mags and endure all of that extra weight and inconvenience, go for it. There's only one reason why they make large capacity mags for handguns, and it sure isn't for carry. Glock=30 rd. mag= foolish.:cool:

Now I like the Glock 30+ mags.....:behindsofa: [for my Ruger].

[King Rat]

I saved my Pertiist Rock just for you.

https://i.imgur.com/WmrTegt.jpg?1

[Barth]

My life is too valuable to rely on statistics.
No crystal ball here.
Anyone that believes they really know when, where and how a defensive situation will play out is fooling themselves.
Be ready at all times and stack the deck in your favor.
That's just common sense friend :)

[King Rat]

I think most people feel their life is very valuable. Stacking the deck in my favor means diligent and frequent training. Statistics are a tool. And many tools available when you choose to carry. And you have to balance that with practical common sense. If statistics say that you are more likely to be killed text messaging while driving. I will heed that warning and not do it. I see nothing wrong with statistics. And I think most people know that danger can happen anywhere or anytime. But again, balance and concessions is what life is all about.

[Bawanna]

You'd be surprised how many people don't get that text message and cell phone talking while driving. They just don't get it.
They are at the wheel of a vehicle but their head is completely someplace else. One ticket I never minded seeing issued.

[I_Like_Turtles]

From 1996 up to 2012 I was kinda "hit and miss" about being serious about carrying. In 2012 I just decided to change things. Nothing less than .38 SPL or 9mm Parabellum. Always in a holster. Always carry at least one reload. Always have OC spray. Always be alert.

Got rid of the smartphone in 2014 and I have never looked back. Never drive while on phone unless have bluetooth. *I really hate smartphones and the addiction those cause.

Most rounds I ever carried was 33. Three 8 round reloads for a 1911 in the Andrews Leather Monarch shoulder holster. It's one heck of a rig! :cool:

[Artie]

After any gunfight, nobody has said, "I had too much ammunition."
Love revolvers but the world has changed.

When the other option is a K9 with 7+1 capacity I don't see an issue with the SP101 and a speed strip or two. Anything larger I really aint interested in. Tho I do have a 6" GP100 and a Guides Choice chest rig I could use.

[Ralph III]

I think most people feel their life is very valuable. Stacking the deck in my favor means diligent and frequent training. Statistics are a tool. And many tools available when you choose to carry. And you have to balance that with practical common sense. If statistics say that you are more likely to be killed text messaging while driving. I will heed that warning and not do it. I see nothing wrong with statistics. And I think most people know that danger can happen anywhere or anytime. But again, balance and concessions is what life is all about.


I agree statistics can be a tool but folks should also know how to consider statistics.

I guarantee most people involved in accidental shootings or accidental shootings where children were involved; where from people who had inadequate firearm training, a degree of incompetence or ignorance and/or complete disregard for gun safety. They lump suicides in with accidental shootings and they fail to explain those most prone to suicide suffer from sexual/physical/emotional abuse. Instead, many organizations attempt to use stats to somehow imply the firearm was the issue while ignoring what truly was the issue. So statistics don't tell you everything.

If we took the statistics you cited and the fact that most people will never be involved in a self defense situation involving a firearm; then there would be no reason to conceal carry or to encourage such. That would be a major mistake though because law-abiding gun owners prevent millions of crimes each year. Law abiding citizens have also prevented or stopped numerous mass murders in active shooter situations. Something the FBI notes.

I carry to protect my family and others. Yes, if a perp were to quickly run at me I may or may not have enough time to pull my weapon. That is an instance where being aware of your surroundings comes into play though. But I do agree that is something to consider. I most assuredly agree folks who ccw should practice and do so on a regular basis. I've been shooting for nearly 50 yrs (btw) and I volunteer for Church Security. Because of such, I feel it is incumbent upon me to practice regularly.

God Bless,
Ralph

[340pd]

Could not agree more. Personally I think the internet has produced so much propaganda that gun owners are as far to the right as anti's are to the left. I have been shooting all my life and carrying for over 10 yrs. I live in a city of about a half million. I have tried to get as much info as possible. Seldom if any gun attacks have been over three rounds fired. Just do not see it. The was a poll on two other forums. Both over overwhelmingly said from members that they have never even shot their firearm. And a very small percentage more than two rounds. Another forum had a Picture of one of the members with a large duty gun and 4 magazines as his EDC. My back started to ache just looking at this weight carried each day.
And you are right, go to a range on Sunday and the place is packed. And how many can even shoot a good group at 7 yds.
I do not know, I guess if you live in a area with a lot of cartels, and in some combat zones you need all these round, extra magazines, backups etc. Maybe you will be in a Miami style shootout someday. But I think the odds are just not there. Most of the shooting were I live are down in the hood. And yes, sometimes a drive by style, but most end with one or two shots. Heck, the internet looks down on you if you have a standard 20ga for home defense. Seems you have to have a Military/Police shotgun to protect your family. I have nothing against AR's. But do I really need one to protect my family? In this neighborhood where the biggest news of the day is what the Garden Club will do this spring?

And yes, I love to shoot. Not so much for protection, but just because I enjoy shooting. And I do a lot. And I love revolvers. Even owning one will get you many frowns from internet. Sorry, but I still train to hit with the first shot, spend a lot of time drawing. Heck, it you can't hit with the first round, then you are most likely dead anyway.

Folks can carry and believe what they want. I have no problem with this at all. Just not me. I have always trained based on what I believe will be the most likely attack and it is based on this chart I have had for years. And my goal has always been to NOT be the average shooter.

https://i.imgur.com/w17xrTB.jpg?3

Although I tend to agree, all those statistics can be changed if one constantly is aware of their surroundings.

Being alert trumps everything else.

[I_Like_Turtles]

It's not just being alert, it's knowing that things really "can happen to me" and avoiding the problem, de-escalating, or using less lethal before things escalate to lethal force being needed.

Learn the Force Continuum and follow it.

Honestly, we all need badge cams.....just like we need dash cams, having our own video record of events would likely deter attackers and make the aftermath go much more smoothly and make our attorneys a lot happier.

[Bawanna]

I think attorneys are the root cause of why things never go smoothly when one must defend.

[I_Like_Turtles]

No, it's not attorneys....they are just the mercenaries. The problems we have in America concerning our freedoms are due to bad judges and a lazy voting populace.

[berettabone]

There aren't enough judges, there isn't enough time, there aren't enough jails, there aren't enough prisons, there aren't enough cops...…………………………….the Gov't operates prisons at a loss. Private co's/facilities operate prisons at a profit. The Gov't needs to get out of the prison business and leave that to the private sector...……………………………….when judges know that a private prison will be happy to take an offender and the regular jails aren't as crowded because of it, and the burden on any state run facilities is much less, they will be more likely to give someone an APPROPRIATE sentence that actually fits the crime...……………………...you may even get more police applicants do to the fact that when LE arrests someone, the judge doesn't let them out because the jail/prison is so over crowded...………………………...it's the only solution...…………….people complain about crime until you want to raise their taxes to build another prison, then they scream holy h&!!. Could even get to the point where carrying a firearm would be the rarity versus the norm...………………………..as long as the status quo still operates, we'll all still be carrying firearms for protection.:p

[Bawanna]

Could be prisons like convenience stores and I'll still be carrying my firearms. I just like carrying them. Just feels right.

But your right on all counts. Sadly judges were once lawyers so the saga continues.

[I_Like_Turtles]

A prison on every street corner wouldn't matter....those just receive criminals, not prevent their crimes. Therefore, we'd still have to prevent the crime in the first place namely, protect ourselves.

I like being armed too. I have used it, used it to protect others, and like a college professor of mine said "strap on the .38, go to Walmart, great fun!" He was right. :)

[BirdsThaWord]

Talking about awareness, I have shared the Youtube video “Concealed Carry: Criminal Assault Pre-Incident Indicators” with everyone I care about. I think it is a must watch and a must share in these days in age.

[I_Like_Turtles]

Talking about awareness, I have shared the Youtube video “Concealed Carry: Criminal Assault Pre-Incident Indicators” with everyone I care about. I think it is a must watch and a must share in these days in age.

I've been watching that video....thank you for linking it.

[BirdsThaWord]

I've been watching that video....thank you for linking it.
Certainly! :)

[berettabone]

A prison on every street corner wouldn't matter....those just receive criminals, not prevent their crimes. Therefore, we'd still have to prevent the crime in the first place namely, protect ourselves.

I like being armed too. I have used it, used it to protect others, and like a college professor of mine said "strap on the .38, go to Walmart, great fun!" He was right. :) It's a proven fact that if you keep more criminals locked up, violent and other types of crimes go down. Does it stop crime???????? Of course not, but if you keep the knuckleheads caged, less of that rubs off on the younger set. Attitudes need to be changed. When younger people go to prison, they know half the people there...………………………...they need mentors, not knuckleheads. I will always carry, regardless of how the world is, but incarceration, under the right circumstances, is a good thing. I, as an American citizen, should not have to worry about something happening to me, forcing me to use violence. Incarceration, along with MANDATORY sentences for violent crimes, no plea bargaining, no get out of jail card for free. Would make it simple for judges, and people would flow right through the system. Public defender????? What for???? Mandatory sentencing. No need...………………….. I guarantee, a prison on every street corner, along with mandatory sentencing, and everyone could breathe a little easier.:yo: