Snipping Striker Spring to reduce pull weight?

[Ralph III]

Hello All,
Has anyone considered snipping off a few rings of their striker spring in slightly reducing trigger pull weight or is that even possible? Otherwise, what is the point in purchasing a Galloway trigger kit for such. Seems like you would accomplish the same goal?

My S9 has about 500rds through it and my trigger is pulling right at 5.5#. I would love to have it around 5# and maybe even slightly less at 4.75#, no lower.

I'm not really wanting to modify my trigger as you see a lot of people do but an extra 1/2 lbs off would be perfect to me.

Thanks,
Ralph

[DavidR]

Wolff sells a reduced power striker spring.

[Old No7]

+1 on the Wolff Reduced Power Striker Spring ! !

I've put them into my son-in-law's PM9, his Dad's PM9 and I've had them in my P9 Covert and my K9; plus there's one inbound (bought on ebay) for my new T9.

They're great and really improve the trigger pull, while getting 100% function and reliability.

Old No7

[TXscooterguy]

I put an M-Carbo spring kit in my PM9.

[wyntrout]

I put the Wolff springs in all of my Kahrs and then took out the P45 one as I started having light strikes... not a good thing when you want a Bang!

[Ralph III]

Thanks for the replies. I thought the Wolf springs reduced them to around 4lbs but I see they are actually rated at 5#. Their website says it's not for duty use though. Is there a real concern with light primer strikes with these springs?

Thanks,
Ralph

[spikedog]

I've got Wolff springs on a P9 and PM9. You can tell the difference, it's a little lighter and seems smoother. I have had no light strikes or misfires using any ammo I've tried.

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[Mike_usn_ret]

I will make one statement about trigger pull ....Speaking from experience, if you need to fire your weapon in a self defense situation..... a 4# trigger pull is going to make ZERO difference compared to a 5 0r 6# pull!!! Bubbadising your firearm by cutting a spring...never mind I said I would make ONE comment!!

[DavidR]

Wolff spring in my P9. Only 50 rounds since but no light strikes.

[Bawanna]

I will make one statement about trigger pull ....Speaking from experience, if you need to fire your weapon in a self defense situation..... a 4# trigger pull is going to make ZERO difference compared to a 5 0r 6# pull!!! Bubbadising your firearm by cutting a spring...never mind I said I would make ONE comment!!

We have a bingo here.

I put the Wolff springs in my Kahrs. On my PM45 which I had owned for quite a spell it didn't make much difference. The factory triggers vary a bit and mine before the swap measured right around 5. The Wolff measured just about the same. I always meant to measure it again after it's been in for awhile to see if the spring set and use would lighten it some.

In some cases it might make a big difference in others no so much.

As Mike said when you look the elephant in the eye it's doubtful you'll notice trigger pull weight. If it was 20 and you need it you'll pull it and most likely not notice you even did.

[Ralph III]

Hey Guys,
Thanks for the input.

This has nothing to do with a self defense situation. I've been shooting for nearly 50 years and I could pull a 10# trigger if necessary.

This however has everything to do with setting up my pistol exactly as desired, not only for self defense purposes but also for range purposes. I prefer a trigger pull of around 5#. That is heavy enough for a ccw but also light enough to be more conducive for accuracy.

I don't see how there could be a difference between installing a lighter wolf spring or simply shortening the already long stock spring. I wondered if anyone had tried such and with what results. If there would be a reliability issue in either instance then I'd pass.

Thanks,
Ralph

[yqtszhj]

Well I was avoiding commenting but I’ll add my non spring mod experience.

My well broke in CM9 with all polished internals including trigger bar, striker channel, striker, etc, and stock springs pulls at just over 4 pounds. No light strikes.

[Bawanna]

Hey Guys,
Thanks for the input.

This has nothing to do with a self defense situation. I've been shooting for nearly 50 years and I could pull a 10# trigger if necessary.

This however has everything to do with setting up my pistol exactly as desired, not only for self defense purposes but also for range purposes. I prefer a trigger pull of around 5#. That is heavy enough for a ccw but also light enough to be more conducive for accuracy.

I don't see how there could be a difference between installing a lighter wolf spring or simply shortening the already long stock spring. I wondered if anyone had tried such and with what results. If there would be a reliability issue in either instance then I'd pass.

Thanks,
Ralph

Aw, I see where your coming from now, I'm sometimes slow on the up take.
I'm not sure that clipping a coil on the stock spring would net the same results myself. I think I'd probably be more comfy clipping on a recoil spring just a bit but not so much the striker spring. I guess I wouldn't have much confidence in myself.

Wolff is the go to experts in springs and Kahr uses Wolff springs from the get go, or so I was told. I chuckle when everyone wants to swap out to wolff springs.

That being said, if you clip the striker spring and shoot it a whole bunch with no issues then mission accomplished and proof of concept is achieved.

Order a Wolff (they are cheap) and have it on hand and then clip yours, if it works you got a spare, if it don't Wolff keeps you on the track.

[Ralph III]

Thanks Bawanna and Yqtszhj.

The pull weight is so close at this point that I also wondered if a good polishing would suffice instead? I've never done such though. Are there any videos that show how to break down a Kahr and what parts to polish?

Thanks,
Ralph

[yqtszhj]

Thanks Bawanna and Yqtszhj.

The pull weight is so close at this point that I also wondered if a good polishing would suffice instead? I've never done such though. Are there any videos that show how to break down a Kahr and what parts to polish?

Thanks,
Ralph

Not that I’m aware of but I broke my slide down to do a bead blast one time so I polished everything then. Same thing on the frame but let me tell you frame disassembly is not for the faint of heart. If the trigger is smooth with the slide off I’d leave the frame alone. I wish you the best with whatever you decide. I’m a obsessed tinkerer my self.

[340pd]

I will make one statement about trigger pull ....Speaking from experience, if you need to fire your weapon in a self defense situation..... a 4# trigger pull is going to make ZERO difference compared to a 5 0r 6# pull!!! Bubbadising your firearm by cutting a spring...never mind I said I would make ONE comment!!

^^^winner, winner, chicken dinner^^^

I am grinding my teeth as I am reading this thread.
OK, you have a carry gun, one that is made to save your life. Love all you guys but there is not one of you out there that under stress could tell the difference between a 5# trigger and a 12# trigger. Maybe it is just mine but my PM9 trigger is as smooth as the inside of a school teachers thigh. The goal should be smooth and consistent, not necessarily light.
If you want to make nice holes in paper to impress the guy/gal in the lane next to you, I am fine with that but believe me, cutting coils off a spring is not the way to go.

[DavidR]

Maybe I couldn’t tell the difference but I might have a better chance of hitting what I’m aiming at.

[Bawanna]

I wanna see the school teachers thigh................................

[Ralph III]

^^^winner, winner, chicken dinner^^^

I am grinding my teeth as I am reading this thread.
OK, you have a carry gun, one that is made to save your life. Love all you guys but there is not one of you out there that under stress could tell the difference between a 5# trigger and a 12# trigger. Maybe it is just mine but my PM9 trigger is as smooth as the inside of a school teachers thigh. The goal should be smooth and consistent, not necessarily light.
If you want to make nice holes in paper to impress the guy/gal in the lane next to you, I am fine with that but believe me, cutting coils off a spring is not the way to go.

Your post is irrelevant with due respect because this has nothing to do with you but everything to do with setting my pistol up, as I desire. In such a fashion that I have found works best for me with 50 yrs shooting experience.

Secondly, a lighter trigger is more conducive for accuracy. So I personally would not opt for a heavy 10# or 12# trigger on a ccw. Nor would I opt for a 3# trigger because that could result in an accidental discharge. I prefer something between 4.5# and 5#.

Lastly, there is really no reason to snip the stock spring if Wolf offers a spring that will suffice. Having said that and coming from an engineering family, I see absolutely no issue with possibly shortening the existing long spring slightly; if it rendered the same result and such proved reliable.

Thanks,
Ralph

[340pd]

Go for it Ralph. Hopefully, you will never stand before a jury trying to explain why you tried to make your trigger pull lighter by cutting coils off the springs.

[Ralph III]

Go for it Ralph. Hopefully, you will never stand before a jury trying to explain why you tried to make your trigger pull lighter by cutting coils off the springs.If I did I would simply explain the minor adjustment on my firearm allowed me to be more proficient and consequently much safer with it. However, if I took your argument I could also use it against you and inquire why you didn't modify your pistol in order to be more proficient or safer with it? After all, guns are generically manufactured and yet every person is different. So why wouldn't you adjust your weapon in order to be safer or more proficient with it? Why did you choose, hypothetically speaking, to carry a gun with a 10# trigger that could be argued caused you to miss the intended target due to such a heavy trigger? So the argument could go either way.

Irrespective, as noted Wolf makes a spring that will suffice for me and I only inquired whether anyone had considered shortening the spring. So there really is no need for you to grit your teeth.

Take care,
Ralph

[Bawanna]

In court surrounded by bottom feeding lawyer nothing is simple.
But I'm writing down what you said and if I ever find myself in that cess pool they call a court room I'm gonna try it myself.
Makes sense to me which is about the only reason I don't think it will work.

Lawyers and making sense seldom fit in the same sentence. I'd of course represent myself as I don't want to support the epidemic.

[berettabone]

Get in front of a liberal judge and you're toast. You lose liberals at "more proficient", and "firearm"………………………………………….

[340pd]

If I did I would simply explain the minor adjustment on my firearm allowed me to be more proficient and consequently much safer with it. However, if I took your argument I could also use it against you and inquire why you didn't modify your pistol in order to be more proficient or safe with it? After all, guns are generically manufactured and yet every person is different. So why wouldn't you adjust your weapon in order to be safer or more proficient with it? Why did you choose, hypothetically speaking, to carry a gun with a 10# trigger that could be argued caused you to miss the intended target due to such a heavy trigger? So the argument could go either way.

Irrespective, as noted Wolf makes a spring that will suffice for me and I only inquired whether anyone had considered shortening the spring. So there really is no need for you to grit your teeth.

Take care,
Ralph
Your premise makes sense but will not necessarily work in court. After the shooting, your gun and it's alterations will be part of the case against you.
Anything out of factory spec will be questioned. Trying to argue that your modifications make the gun easier to shoot accurately by lightening the triggers pull weight may determine your fate. I will not take that chance. Massad Ayoob is my source and I will follow his advice. You are welcome to do as you wish. Good luck in your search.

[topgun1953]

I wanna see the school teachers thigh................................
Trust me Bawanna, you don't want to see my thigh!

[Bawanna]

Oh my, I hadn't thought of that..........some truth for certain in being careful what one wishes for.

[Ralph III]

Well it's all good points guys!

Yes, I agree any opposing bottom feeding lawyer or liberal prosecutor would attempt to make any modification to your weapon a liability for you. The first question however would be if you were legally justifiable in a self defense situation in which you fired your weapon to stop an assailant. If so, then I see no issue as any slight modification in attempting to improve the weapon for yourself will most likely be irrelevant. However, if your modification caused an accidental discharge then yes I can see you would be in jeopardy. That is why I would never choose a pistol with a really light trigger pull for ccw myself.

Having said all of that, I think it best to leave my weapon unchanged in regards to the trigger. It's better to be safe then sorry so your advice is heeded. I think once the weapon is broken in further it may reach the 5# mark after a little time anyhow.

God Bless,
Ralph