New Sights

[Bawanna]

https://www.sigsauer.com/store/p365-sas.html

I got a chance to fondle a Sig 365 with them new SAS sights. No front sight and the rear is laid into the slide so it's flush.
In a nutshell I was actually pretty impressed, I didn't think it would fly for me but it took off and worked.
Only down fall is it pretty much disappears in very low light, but I don't go out much in the dark and carry a flashlight when I do so I suspect it would work ok.

It completely relies on having two eyes, dominate eye on the dot in the circle and non dominant on the target. Where they overlap is where you hit.

The Sig itself doesn't totally sing for me although it wasn't bad. If I ever run across a Hellcat I'd like to hold one of those. I think they make this sight for Kahrs, but don't recall which models. Might be a plan there somewhere too.

Right now I'm focusing all my marbles on a Sig P210 Target, its' been on the list for a long time and this keep up with Greg stuff is a full time and costly mission. Maybe I should start one of them thar go fund me dealy hymers?

[DavidR]

I’m pretty sure it’s a night sight so you would be okay at night.

[gb6491]

I have a buddy that bought a P365 with the SAS sight. He sold it after one range trip as he didn't like the sights in dim light. Still, I'd like to shoot one to see for myself. I do really like my 365 with the Xray3 sights.

I picked up a Hellcat, but I am not as enamored by it. With the flat base plate on the 11 round magazine, i find it more difficult to shoot as accurately as either my PM9 or P365. With the 13 round mag, it handles much better for me, but then it's a larger footprint. I also felt the need to smooth out some sharp edges on it's frame and trigger.
I'm not saying it's a bad gun, as it runs fine and I can shoot it accurately, I just find it takes more work for me to do so. I'm talking pin point accuracy here, it's fine for torso size targets at 10 yds. with little effort. A better trigger would probably bring it online with the other guns I mentioned.
https://i.postimg.cc/gjT808Qb/3pocketamigos1000.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
Regards,
Greg

[Bawanna]

Thanks Greg really. One less thing to get between me and my Sig P210 Target. Looking at your excellent photo it's not nearly as appealing to me as I thought it would be.
Holding the 365 in the shop the other day it seemed better than the ones I've held before, perhaps it's growing on me. But I was mostly investigating the sight set up.
I did just hold my hand over the top of the sight in a pretty well it room and the sight basically disappeared. But it seemed to work splendidly with light. Worth a harder look anyhow for me.

[340pd]

The SAS has some specific uses but as of yer I cant put my finger on them. It takes to hands to close the slide as there is no functional slide release. There are lots of reports of the "night sights" not showing up in low light, and the one I most concern myself with is the ported barrel. I always consider my small firearrms may be shot at very close quarters and in confined spaces. The last thing I need is to blind myself from shooting from limited spaces not to mention the reported increase in noise the porting produces.
Love the concept but if I don't feel the need to have sights on ly gun, I will just look over the top of them when point shooting as I do some of the time while training.
Your desire for a Sig P210 is well founded and if I were not in the market fora a large accurate extremely well built target pistol, I would not have passed on one that my LGS gave away for $1200 as a consignment sale a few weeks ago. I do not know that market but I think that was a really low price for that firearm. To add spice to that price, it was a German mfg. one to boot.

[Covert Kahr]

I tried the sas sights on my Kahr. It’s ok, but not something I felt was any improvement for my shooting. At close range it’s fine, but not as good beyond about 10 yds. They are having issues with the night sights. Not sure if that’s a meprolight problem or Sig. I bought a manual safety version and it has been great. Tempted to buy another one on Black Friday.

[Bawanna]

The SAS has some specific uses but as of yer I cant put my finger on them. It takes to hands to close the slide as there is no functional slide release. There are lots of reports of the "night sights" not showing up in low light, and the one I most concern myself with is the ported barrel. I always consider my small firearrms may be shot at very close quarters and in confined spaces. The last thing I need is to blind myself from shooting from limited spaces not to mention the reported increase in noise the porting produces.
Love the concept but if I don't feel the need to have sights on ly gun, I will just look over the top of them when point shooting as I do some of the time while training.
Your desire for a Sig P210 is well founded and if I were not in the market fora a large accurate extremely well built target pistol, I would not have passed on one that my LGS gave away for $1200 as a consignment sale a few weeks ago. I do not know that market but I think that was a really low price for that firearm. To add spice to that price, it was a German mfg. one to boot.

1200 for a German mfg is a genuine gift from above. New they are all over for around 1450, actually not much variation at all, either everybody is putting them at their best deal or they figure they are worth every penny and somebody will buy them.
I'm watching a used one at the moment still very reasonable. I'm much prefer new but on my side of the tracks the used might have to make do.
Some models and german mfg are going upwards of 6 and 8 thousand and more. Must be very special indeed.

[berettabone]

[QUOTE=Bawanna;410624]https://www.sigsauer.com/store/p365-sas.html

I got a chance to fondle a Sig 365 with them new SAS sights. No front sight and the rear is laid into the slide so it's flush.
In a nutshell I was actually pretty impressed, I didn't think it would fly for me but it took off and worked.
Only down fall is it pretty much disappears in very low light, but I don't go out much in the dark and carry a flashlight when I do so I suspect it would work ok.

It completely relies on having two eyes, dominate eye on the dot in the circle and non dominant on the target. Where they overlap is where you hit.

The Sig itself doesn't totally sing for me although it wasn't bad. If I ever run across a Hellcat I'd like to hold one of those. I think they make this sight for Kahrs, but don't recall which models. Might be a plan there somewhere too.

Right now I'm focusing all my marbles on a Sig P210 Target, its' been on the list for a long time and this keep up with Greg stuff is a full time and costly mission. Maybe I should start one of them thar go fund me dealy hymers?[/QUOTE Apparently not as expensive as one of these?????????????? Have one on Armslist in my area for $4000. The Sig looks much nicer and the grips are especially nice.

[guido4198]

Thanks for posting the great 3-gun picture Greg.
Makes it easier to see why I like my CM9 so much for every day concealed carry.

[BirdsThaWord]

Greg, do you feel the flat trigger to be a worthy investment into your P365? Noticeable enough that you would do it all over again?

[gb6491]

Greg, do you feel the flat trigger to be a worthy investment into your P365? Noticeable enough that you would do it all over again?
I do feel it was a worthy investment, but that is because while I was installing it I did some polishing of parts that I might not have done otherwise. While my 365's trigger was alright before, the polishing completely smoothed it out. Beyond that, it is more comfortable (and easier) to use the bottom portion of the flat trigger as compared to the curved trigger.
Regards,
Greg

[BirdsThaWord]

I do feel it was a worthy investment, but that is because while I was installing it I did some polishing of parts that I might not have done otherwise. While my 365's trigger was alright before, the polishing completely smoothed it out. Beyond that, it is more comfortable (and easier) to use the bottom portion of the flat trigger as compared to the curved trigger.
Regards,
Greg
Thanks! Looks like I will be ordering one then. : )

[JohnR]

I have those sights (the Meprolight "bullseye" sight) on an M&P 9. I found that they work ok, but I haven't shot a LOT with it; it might get easier with practice. Plus, the M&P is challenging to shoot accurately to begin with. Since the sights don't stick up above the slide much (none at all on the Sig), more of the target is blocked. In a SD situation that's probably not a factor. They are tritium sights, so they'll work at night just fine.

I also hadn't thought about what Bawanna said, about using one eye for the sight, the other for the target. I'm not sure my eyes are capable of doing that. But with a cataract in my dominant eye, most of my shooting has been kind of lame, lately. I go in next Wednesday for a new lens, then I'll be able to aim a rifle again.

Edit, now I see what Bawana meant - with your non-dominant eye you can catch the target in your peripheral vision since the pistol's slide blocks a lot of the view.

[berettabone]

I have those sights (the Meprolight "bullseye" sight) on an M&P 9. I found that they work ok, but I haven't shot a LOT with it; it might get easier with practice. Plus, the M&P is challenging to shoot accurately to begin with. Since the sights don't stick up above the slide much (none at all on the Sig), more of the target is blocked. In a SD situation that's probably not a factor. They are tritium sights, so they'll work at night just fine.

I also hadn't thought about what Bawanna said, about using one eye for the sight, the other for the target. I'm not sure my eyes are capable of doing that. But with a cataract in my dominant eye, most of my shooting has been kind of lame, lately. I go in next Wednesday for a new lens, then I'll be able to aim a rifle again.

Edit, now I see what Bawana meant - with your non-dominant eye you can catch the target in your peripheral vision since the pistol's slide blocks a lot of the view. I sold my M&P for that reason. I just couldn't cozy up to it. Was always difficult to shoot accurately. With me, I think it was the trigger.

[JohnR]

I like the M&P quite a bit, and put in the whole menagerie of Apex parts except the barrel, and the trigger is greatly improved. From what I gather, the Apex gunsmith-fit barrel improves accuracy a lot. Why S&W didn't bother to do these improvements themselves, I'll never know. I guess they figured sales figures showed it was "good enough" as-is. OTOH, Glock has a ton of aftermarket "improvements" too.

[Bawanna]

I picked up my gift dept gun yesterday and looked at the Sig again. The usual guy was there who I have a little more confidence in his opinion and he really wasn't a fan of the gun or the sights. The sights at least on this one were not tritium so once again they did disappear in low light.
Perhaps there is a tritium version out there that might work better.
No matter all my marbles are going towards the Sig P210 Target. Guess it's a full blown mission now.

[gb6491]

FWIW, XS Sights' Big Dot, Standard Dot, and F8 night sights are now available for the P365: https://www.xssights.com/Products.aspx?CAT=13224

Congrats on getting that Glock home Colonel!:cool:

[340pd]

Greg, do you feel the flat trigger to be a worthy investment into your P365? Noticeable enough that you would do it all over again?
To stay on topic, the SAS slide is now available as a stock item from Sig. https://www.sigsauer.com/store/p365-sas-slide-assembly.html

I will add my 2¢ to the Sig flat trigger. I tend to train like I am always in a gunfight. Knowing that would result in the trigger being inevitably pulled using the first joint on my trigger finger which resulted in a slightly right of center hit. The addition of a Sig flat trigger pretty much eliminated that issue for me. I have yet to add it to my second P365 but that will be soon.

http:// (http://<a href=&quot;https://postimg.cc/G86JfyqV&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>https://i.postimg.cc/QCd4Hg58/365_flat.jpg</a>)https://i.postimg.cc/QCd4Hg58/365_flat.jpg (https://postimg.cc/G86JfyqV)
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[Bawanna]

The 365 I held had that slide on it. Nice of Sig to offer it for those wanting to try it.

Reminds me of Desert Eagle coming out with 357, then the 44, everybody wanted a 44 so they bought them, then after a bit they offered a 44 Slide and on and on. Brilliant marketing, made a lot of extra money doing that.

Doubt this will be nearly that big but it's nice of them to offer.

[sas PM9]

https://www.sigsauer.com/store/p365-sas.html

I got a chance to fondle a Sig 365 with them new SAS sights. No front sight and the rear is laid into the slide so it's flush.
In a nutshell I was actually pretty impressed, I didn't think it would fly for me but it took off and worked.
Only down fall is it pretty much disappears in very low light, but I don't go out much in the dark and carry a flashlight when I do so I suspect it would work ok.

It completely relies on having two eyes, dominate eye on the dot in the circle and non dominant on the target. Where they overlap is where you hit.

The Sig itself doesn't totally sing for me although it wasn't bad. If I ever run across a Hellcat I'd like to hold one of those. I think they make this sight for Kahrs, but don't recall which models. Might be a plan there somewhere too.

Right now I'm focusing all my marbles on a Sig P210 Target, its' been on the list for a long time and this keep up with Greg stuff is a full time and costly mission. Maybe I should start one of them thar go fund me dealy hymers?

B:
I had to send my 365sas back to the factory because the recessed Meprolight FT bullseye sight did not glow in the dark. The one I got back was very visible in the dark, although not quite as bright as the X-ray3 sights on my standard 365. Apparently SIG got a bad batch from Meprolight.
That said, the sas sight takes some getting used to, the green dot centered in a green circle is different enough to be confusing to an old guy with progressive glasses and astigmatism on top of that. After four range trips I'm getting a fist sized grouping at 10 yds. I hope to continue getting better with more familiarity.
-steve

[gb6491]

I have a buddy that bought a P365 with the SAS sight. He sold it after one range trip as he didn't like the sights in dim light. Still, I'd like to shoot one to see for myself. I do really like my 365 with the Xray3 sights.

I picked up a Hellcat, but I am not as enamored by it. With the flat base plate on the 11 round magazine, i find it more difficult to shoot as accurately as either my PM9 or P365. With the 13 round mag, it handles much better for me, but then it's a larger footprint. I also felt the need to smooth out some sharp edges on it's frame and trigger.
I'm not saying it's a bad gun, as it runs fine and I can shoot it accurately, I just find it takes more work for me to do so. I'm talking pin point accuracy here, it's fine for torso size targets at 10 yds. with little effort. A better trigger would probably bring it online with the other guns I mentioned.
https://i.postimg.cc/gjT808Qb/3pocketamigos1000.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
Regards,
Greg
I'd like to update this a bit. I went ahead and sprung for a Powder River Precision Hellcat trigger kit. The kit is a touch over $100, but it was 15% off on Black Friday. I'm glad I spent the money:)
I just finished the install and while I don't have a trigger pull gauge it's easy to tell the Hellcat's trigger is smoother and lighter. I'll put some rounds through it tomorrow, but just now, doing side by side dry firing, I'd say that my P365 no longer has a trigger advantage over my Hellcat. It might even be half a step behind.
https://i.postimg.cc/NjfptVyP/powder.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
Regards,
Greg

[340pd]

I'd like to update this a bit. I went ahead and sprung for a Powder River Precision Hellcat trigger kit. The kit is a touch over $100, but it was 15% off on Black Friday. I'm glad I spent the money:)
I just finished the install and while I don't have a trigger pull gauge it's easy to tell the Hellcat's trigger is smoother and lighter. I'll put some rounds through it tomorrow, but just now, doing side by side dry firing, I'd say that my P365 no longer has a trigger advantage over my Hellcat. It might even be half a step behind.
https://i.postimg.cc/NjfptVyP/powder.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
Regards,
Greg

Nice addition Greg. Your picture with those three guns is exactly why I keep my PM9. It is quite a bit smaller and much more concealable than the other two.
Tell me about the two different trigger positions in your before and after Hellcat picture. Did the PR kit position your trigger that much more rearward?
I put a PR kit in my full size XDm and it made a huge difference as did the Apex kit I put in a Shield I once owned. It always amazes me that the manufacturers can't figure this stuff out while they are designing their new offerings. It is not a weight or safety issue, just over smoothness with a clean trigger break.
As for the U rear sight on the Hellcat, I has a version of that from rear Meprolight with a bright yellow dot front on that same Shield I owned. I found it very easy to line up.
Loved that Shield but sold it to a co-worker as soon as I fired and bought my first P365.

[gb6491]

Nice addition Greg. Your picture with those three guns is exactly why I keep my PM9. It is quite a bit smaller and much more concealable than the other two.
Tell me about the two different trigger positions in your before and after Hellcat picture. Did the PR kit position your trigger that much more rearward?
I put a PR kit in my full size XDm and it made a huge difference as did the Apex kit I put in a Shield I once owned. It always amazes me that the manufacturers can't figure this stuff out while they are designing their new offerings. It is not a weight or safety issue, just over smoothness with a clean trigger break.
As for the U rear sight on the Hellcat, I has a version of that from rear Meprolight with a bright yellow dot front on that same Shield I owned. I found it very easy to line up.
Loved that Shield but sold it to a co-worker as soon as I fired and bought my first P365.
Hey, thanks for the comments! Sorry for the confusing photos, the trigger position in the photo with the parts is a result of the striker having been released and not reset.
Regards,
Greg

[340pd]

Thanks. Give us your opinions after shooting both Sig and Hellcat. My P365 is set up exactly like yours and I train a lot both strong and weak hand while the target is coming at me from 75' out and the flat trigger really helps me with trigger control. The Hellcat looks to have the same shape. I have no dog in this fight as I will not replace or add to my small hi-capacity carry guns, but I value your opinion and may make use of it when asked by my students and range customers.

[berettabone]

Something to ponder????????

[Bawanna]

That's a standard versus a Target. You can find those around 1000 bucks. I've pondered one pretty hard but I found one place that has the Target for 1230 as I recall, just waiting on few things to fall into place and I'll order one.
I'm sure the standard is a hell of a gun, I just like the grips and better sights on the target model.

[gb6491]

Thanks. Give us your opinions after shooting both Sig and Hellcat. My P365 is set up exactly like yours and I train a lot both strong and weak hand while the target is coming at me from 75' out and the flat trigger really helps me with trigger control. The Hellcat looks to have the same shape. I have no dog in this fight as I will not replace or add to my small hi-capacity carry guns, but I value your opinion and may make use of it when asked by my students and range customers.
Triggers.
I liked the 365's trigger right out of the box, but it did have a hint of grittiness, b. A little polishing done while installing the flat face trigger cleared that up. I really like the flat face trigger, but it's not a necessity.

The Hellcat has kind of grown on me. Out of the box, I felt it's trigger was a hindrance to good accuracy. I'd describe it as Glock like: heavy take up, stout wall, sharpish break with over travel. If all you demand of the Hellcat is the ability to put your rounds into the chest of a full size silhouette at 10 yards, then the trigger is up to that task. However, I want to be able to consistently hit a softball to baseball size target at that distance. It's possible to hit that size target with the Hellcat at 10 yards, but it takes much more effort to do so with the stock Hellcat trigger as compared to the P365. Powder River Precision has a trigger kit ($105) that fixes that. I consider it a necessity (definitely the reason the Hellcat has grown on me).

Grip.
The Hellcat's grip is slightly larger and has excellent texture; a "fuller grip" comes to mind.

The 365's grip is smaller. That's not to say it's bad, it's just different. One can also buy wraps/sleeves to make the grip larger. I'm guessing SIG could possibly offer different size grip modules at some point.

Out of the box, I like the Hellcat grip better. EDIT: installing a Wilson Combat grip module on the P365 puts it ahead of the Hellcat in regards to which I like better.
https://i.postimg.cc/5y8sJgTR/P365-wilson865.jpg

Sights.
For me, the P365's sights are regulated to hit what you cover with the front sight at ten yards. The sights on my 365 are defective in that the tritium is very dim and the green ring around the tritium of the front sight is only discernible in certain, limited lighting conditions. SIG is sending me a new set of sights under warranty.

The SIG's sights might be better for precision shooting (talking older eyes here, the SIG sight's have generous space to the sides of the front sight), but the Hellcat's sights work well for me when shooting rapidly. I can also use them to get good hit's without my glasses where as I'd be shooting the SIG instinctively. FWIW, the Hellcat's sights seem regulated for POA/POI right over the front sight.

So at this point, I find I prefer the Hellcat sights.

Shooting.
Beyond what I mentioned above, I think the Hellcat (with PRP trigger kit) and P365 handle and shoot with similar characteristics.
Manual of arms is the same. Recoil management feels about equal. Hit probability is on par with each other (as is ease of doing it).

Bottom line for me:
Both or well made, capable guns. I'm happy with both (outside of having to shell out for a trigger kit and replacing sights).

If I were recommending one over the other, I'd say go with the P365.
It's a bit more refined. It's trigger is better out of the box.
You can buy replacement parts on line (or upgrades like the flat face trigger). Replacement grip modules are available now. You can buy after market modules that are larger, perhaps SIG will consider doing so in the future.
The 365 is available in a wider variety of models and sighting options (just saw the version with a bare stainless finish on the slide that looked quite nice).


Anyway, That's my $.02 worth:blah: (though there might be other things I haven't recalled here).


Did I mention the the Hellcat has really started to grow on me.:madgrin:
Regards,
Greg

[JohnR]

I have anew Mark II eyeball (cataract surgery, new lens) so I’m looking forward to seeing how it affects my use of sights. I couldn’t use the iron sights of a rifle at all, and handgun sights were challenging. My new lens is for near focus, so I expect good things.

[\threadhijack]

[Ed M]

I didn't want a P365. I like my CM9 a lot, and it is still my first choice of EDC just because it's usually more comfortable to carry.

But the first time I held a P365, I knew I had to have one.

One of the things I liked most about the CM9 is it does everything well. Pocket carry, IWB, OWB - it does it all, and does it well.

The P365 is just about as versatile, but with a kicker. It can pocket carry almost as well, but a little heavier than the CM9 (and it DOES make a difference).

IWB and OWB, it's a draw (no pun intended).

Here's the kicker - the P365 has a 15rd extended magazine available! The stock Sig 15 rd mag has a pretty hideous base plate, but a company called Tactical Development makes 2 versions - one with a finger groove, and one without. The base plates make the 15 round mags more ergonomic AND more aesthetically pleasing.

For me, ergonomics are the name of the game. I want my mods to be both good looking, and improve comfort.

I found a company that does this for me, and the install is simple with the P365's modularity.

I installed Armory Craft's machined bar stock trigger. No MIM part here, and it is skeletonized for looks. The front of the trigger has micro serrations which help keep your trigger finger where you put it No slippage. I like to put my trigger finger at the base of the trigger to help reduce perceived pull weight. I also like the at rest position of the AC trigger. The Sig flat trigger sits too far forward for me, and the AC trigger is much better for rapid shooting.

The Sig modular design meant that I could just swap out grip modules for a custom look. I chose an Armory Craft laser etched grip module in Sniper Gray cerakote. Installation takes about 30 seconds - one pin out, swap grip modules, put pin back in.
The new grip texturing really feels great in the hand, yet doesn't irritate surrounding skin areas when holstered.

As I see it, even though the Hellcat looks promising, the modularity of the Sig design gives it the edge for "customization"

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[340pd]

Thanks Greg and Ed. Without ever shooting the Hellcat I imagined what you would say about both guns. Interesting we have offerings from major manufacturers that always require some trigger work.oddly, my PM9 is the only handgun I own that has never been touched.
That said, working with my PM9 today I had forgot about that really long that trigger stroke. Anything that can be done to shorten it up a bit?

[yqtszhj]

...That said, working with my PM9 today I had forgot about that really long that trigger stroke. Anything that can be done to shorten it up a bit?

I think it was Galloway Precision that was coming out with something but I’m not sure. It’s posted around here somewhere. Of course memory may be failing me too.....

[JohnR]

I have those sights (the Meprolight "bullseye" sight) on an M&P 9. I found that they work ok, but I haven't shot a LOT with it; it might get easier with practice. Plus, the M&P is challenging to shoot accurately to begin with. Since the sights don't stick up above the slide much (none at all on the Sig), more of the target is blocked. In a SD situation that's probably not a factor. They are tritium sights, so they'll work at night just fine.

I also hadn't thought about what Bawanna said, about using one eye for the sight, the other for the target. I'm not sure my eyes are capable of doing that. But with a cataract in my dominant eye, most of my shooting has been kind of lame, lately. I go in next Wednesday for a new lens, then I'll be able to aim a rifle again.

Edit, now I see what Bawana meant - with your non-dominant eye you can catch the target in your peripheral vision since the pistol's slide blocks a lot of the view.

One caveat, with the Meprolight sights the angle of viewing is narrow. In other words, if it's very dark and you're holding the gun at the wrong angle (easy to do in the dark, and if you're under pressure, and your hands aren't so familiar with the gun), you won't see the sight at all. You end up drawing circles with the muzzle till you sight comes into view. At least with three-dot night sights you'll see three dots from a wide viewing angle.

[King Rat]

Something to ponder????????

That Picture is actually a very good point. I shot the Sig 365. Not much, 200 rds along with 4 others that shot 200 rds. The only thing I can say, is that after shooting it, I went out and bought another CM9. Now one for range and one for carry. Eventually want a PM9 which should be the last of carry guns, I want for the future. I pondered over what I prefer as a carry gun many times before making my decision. Shot most the the small 9mm's out there. (I belong to a club with a few members of common interest like Micro 9's and we have days where we will share a gun for personal knowledge and likes and dislikes).
Size matters and even more so IMO weight. And nothing beats the Kahr that I have seen so far or shot so far thatis better than the Kahr for EDC. Yes, even ounces matter. But the new gun culture of more is better seems to have a big thirst. Even when buying a light weight, gun that shoots very well for self defense ,it is not enough. Add more weight to the gun by a few ounces, more rounds which means more weight and them add even more with a extension. It seems we no longer just need to carry a nice EDC weapon, spend time in diligent training, but we are now unarmed if we do not have even more rounds than 6 plus 1. Where does it stop? That P365 10 plus one (or eleven, I forget) but add a extension to increase that. Why? I guess there are reasons, I just fail to see the need. Maybe if you live near the border and face Drug Cartels on a daily basis etc.
Distance? How far out do you really need to go? Seems the new attacks of citizens is now much further out, firearms for gunfights at 20 plus yards is now needed for the EDC. Triggers? My gosh, I love the Kahr stock trigger. One reason that attracted me to it and guess what? I shoot that Trigger just fine. I would pay to get a trigger like the Kahr, not pay more to reduce the travel. For myself, there is no need for this. It is a EDC firearm that shoots great at the distances I feel are practical self defense distances. I have never wanted one for a target gun.
I know I will take a beating for my post. Most like be called a uniformed fool, or Fudd, or whatever. Heck, what do I know? I do not even own a AR for home defense.

[JohnR]

I know I will take a beating for my post. Most like be called a uniformed fool, or Fudd, or whatever. Heck, what do I know? I do not even own a AR for home defense.

Not hardly, I totally agree.

[berettabone]

One of my EDC firearms only holds 5...……...……………….I'm good with that. IMHO, five .357's are better than ten .380's any day.:p

[DavidR]

My favorites EDC is a Glock 17 with 33 round magazine. With a couple of spares I have 100 rounds. That’s better than 11 or 7 or 5. [emoji41]

[berettabone]

My favorites EDC is a Glock 17 with 33 round magazine. With a couple of spares I have 100 rounds. That’s better than 11 or 7 or 5. [emoji41] Pray and spray??????????

[gb6491]

It's been my experience that capacity has little to do with marksmanship.
Capacity might matter in regards to "pray and spray", as you are likely to know much sooner with 5 (rather than 33) if your prayers are answered.:angel:

[DavidR]

Who needs marksmanship? Simply the sight of my Glock with a big old magazine will scare them off. It’s a proven fact - just like racking a shotgun. [emoji41]

[DavidR]

Now, in full disclosure I don’t own any Glocks.

Right now I carry my 365 instead of my CM9 because I shoot it better. By better I mean point and shoot three rounds at 6 yards. Faster and tighter with the 365. The extra capacity is just a bonus.

Days when I need something even smaller I’m perfectly happy with my CT380.

[Covert Kahr]

My favorites EDC is a Glock 17 with 33 round magazine. With a couple of spares I have 100 rounds. That’s better than 11 or 7 or 5. [emoji41]

Don’t bother, he carries a single shot .22 and aims for the eye. And never misses. I’m sure 5 booming near misses of .357 will be better than any number of hits with .380 or 9mm.

[GROTMAN]

Fondled a sig 365 and a hellcat last month at a gun show. Did not like the feel of the hellcat but the sig felt perfect in my hands. Since then did a lot of research, youtube videos,sig forums
etc. Seems like the early editions had a lot of problems but are now worked out. Thought about the sas but per "some"reports if those sights on the sas are off,cant be adjusted. Decided to go with the regular sig and picked one up yesterday. First new gun in awhile. Had born date of nov 2019. From what i read all the bugs have been worked out. Took it to the range today and put 150 rounds of combined winchchester white box, blazer brass and hornady critical defense. Have to say i love this gun. Worked perfectly and shot it much better than my pm9. Am a very happy camper right now. !!:d

[boscobarbell]

Fondled a sig 365 and a hellcat last month at a gun show. Did not like the feel of the hellcat but the sig felt perfect in my hands. Since then did a lot of research, youtube videos,sig forums
etc. Seems like the early editions had a lot of problems but are now worked out. Thought about the sas but per "some"reports if those sights on the sas are off,cant be adjusted. Decided to go with the regular sig and picked one up yesterday. First new gun in awhile. Had born date of nov 2019. From what i read all the bugs have been worked out. Took it to the range today and put 150 rounds of combined winchchester white box, blazer brass and hornady critical defense. Have to say i love this gun. Worked perfectly and shot it much better than my pm9. Am a very happy camper right now. !!:d

Congrats. I'm a fellow P365 owner, too, and will tell you that you're going to love it even more with time. My trigger, decent right out of the box, is absolutely amazing now. It fits great in my hand, and is an amazing point shooter.

Good luck with it!

[King Rat]

Don’t bother, he carries a single shot .22 and aims for the eye. And never misses. I’m sure 5 booming near misses of .357 will be better than any number of hits with .380 or 9mm.

I carry a sweet 22.cal and just shoot their gun out of their hand. Gotta be quick.

[JohnR]

I just give them the Clint Eastwood squint and they wet their pants and run.

[boscobarbell]

Loved that Shield but sold it to a co-worker as soon as I fired and bought my first P365.

Funny, I did exactly the same...and also sold my Glock 43 and Glock 26. The Sig made them irrelevant to me.

I'll probably still buy another PM9 to replace the one I've always regretted selling...the Kahr is just small enough to warrant having it as a carry option, particularly for AIWB applications.

[gb6491]

Funny, I did exactly the same...and also sold my Glock 43 and Glock 26. The Sig made them irrelevant to me.

I'll probably still buy another PM9 to replace the one I've always regretted selling...the Kahr is just small enough to warrant having it as a carry option, particularly for AIWB applications.
I agree. I favor AIWB and, as of late, have been carrying my PM9 more often than my P365 or Hellcat.
Regards,
Greg

[King Rat]

I agree. I favor AIWB and, as of late, have been carrying my PM9 more often than my P365 or Hellcat.
Regards,
Greg

Put me down for Carrying the CM9 AIWB.