Got to handle a Sig 365 today......so that's what all the fuss is about.

[I_Like_Turtles]

I was over to Rural King today and I asked "do you have a Sig 365?" They had the 10 round mag version and the slightly larger 12 round mag version.

I keep hearing about this firearm...they said the trigger was "awesome with a very short reset" but being Rural King, trigger lock, so not allowed to try the trigger pull.

10 rounds of 9mm Parabellum in such a small package is very impressive but I can't see recoil being great. I will stick with Kahr and not only that, but I am going back to a K9 to tame as much recoil as possible.

[jeepster09]

I like my 365, SMALL and holds plenty of ammo. Shoots well! Very concealable.

[gb6491]

Nice jeepster! What sights are you running on it?
Regards,
Greg

[340pd]

Mine is the same Jeepster only with the stock sights.
Greg, on your thoughts I have a spare striker coming on Monday. I will keep it in the box with a spare RSA. My only other spare parts kit is, another P365 resting by the bed.
https://i.postimg.cc/QCd4Hg58/365_flat.jpg (https://postimg.cc/G86JfyqV)
https://i.postimg.cc/N0b562JP/Nana_s.jpg (https://postimg.cc/2qbkmyf4)

[gb6491]

Nice 340pd, that laser is a good match for the gun!
Good grab on the spare RSA. I like your spare parts kit philosophy:cool: I now have one for my P210A Target
https://i.postimg.cc/ZnwkvQ9c/p210a-865.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
Regards,
Greg

[DavidR]

Mine. Talon grip, 10 round mag with a slightly larger finger extension for a full three finger grip and a little longer backstrap. Feels awesome in the hand and still a little shorter than the 12 round mag. Pictured with a High Noon holster but I now carry in a Vedder Light Tuck.

500 rounds, all sorts of ammo, no issues.


https://i.imgur.com/GEjvhtWl.jpg

Pic with Light Tuck

https://i.imgur.com/9whHudB.jpg

[340pd]

Nice 340pd, that laser is a good match for the gun!
Good grab on the spare RSA. I like your spare parts kit philosophy:cool: I now have one for my P210A Target
https://i.postimg.cc/ZnwkvQ9c/p210a-865.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
Regards,
Greg
A wonderful gun Greg. Both the Swiss/German mfg as well as the one made in the US.

BTW I just shot the Hellcat right alongside my P365. I found the Hellcat to have a bit more felt recoil and I am not a great fan of the split trigger style but both are great carry guns and their capacity vs size makes them great carry guns.
One more thing, I also shot the LCP .22 and mow have much more admiration for your target. At 30' mine looked like I fired a round of #4 buckshot. I can shoot my 380 version much better for some reason.

[Covert Kahr]

I’ve had a Kahr for years and picked up a 365 a few months ago. Great size and better trigger and more rounds. I still have my Kahr and occasionally I bring it to the range as a reminder of how much more gun the Sig is.

[King Rat]

I’ve had a Kahr for years and picked up a 365 a few months ago. Great size and better trigger and more rounds. I still have my Kahr and occasionally I bring it to the range as a reminder of how much more gun the Sig is.

Really? Not the Sig 365's I shot. Glad you like your Sig. I will stick with the Kahr. And a much better trigger for EDC. Don't need a light crisp striker fired trigger for EDC. Maybe for a target pistol, but I don't shoot those any more. The Kahr has proven track record for years. Hopefully the Sig will be around for a while. It is going to need more than just a few rounds in a magazine to keep the hype up.

[Covert Kahr]

Really? Not the Sig 365's I shot. Glad you like your Sig. I will stick with the Kahr. And a much better trigger for EDC. Don't need a light crisp striker fired trigger for EDC. Maybe for a target pistol, but I don't shoot those any more. The Kahr has proven track record for years. Hopefully the Sig will be around for a while. It is going to need more than just a few rounds in a magazine to keep the hype up.

We are looking for different things. Glad you like your Kahr. It was exciting 16 years ago when it was the best for ccw. Now I really don’t get what the hype is for Kahrs.

[gb6491]

A wonderful gun Greg. Both the Swiss/German mfg as well as the one made in the US.

BTW I just shot the Hellcat right alongside my P365. I found the Hellcat to have a bit more felt recoil and I am not a great fan of the split trigger style but both are great carry guns and their capacity vs size makes them great carry guns.
One more thing, I also shot the LCP .22 and mow have much more admiration for your target. At 30' mine looked like I fired a round of #4 buckshot. I can shoot my 380 version much better for some reason.
I agree that the Hellcat's recoil has a bit more snap to it when compared to the P365. Shooting the Hellcat, P365, and PM9 side by side, it's my impression that the PM9 is the "softest" shooting of the three, followed by the P365 then the Hellcat. I don't mind the Hellcat's split trigger, but it does benefit greatly from the installation of a Powder River Precision's trigger kit (really a night and day difference).
All three have a place for me, I carry the P365 IWB when I'm out and about. If it's OWB, I use the Hellcat. Around the house, the smaller, lighter PM9 gets the call.

That group with the .22 LCP II truly was a perfect storm (I didn't take any photos of the other groups I shot that day;)). I really like the gun, but it does make me work to shoot it anywhere near that well at that distance. At "snake" distance, it's pretty good at sending spent shotgun shells flying off:)

Regards,
Greg

[ripley16]

I shot the rental P365 and Hellcat recently at my range. Liked both of them. The Hellcat sights took so getting used to thus I shot the Sig a bit better overall. The regular Sig does not take an optic. I really like the fact that the Hellcat OSP takes the optic without sacrificing the rear sight as does the larger Sig XL. If I buy one of these for a carry gun I'll put an optic on it. Maybe a laser too. As I get older I want all the help I can get. the new optics are good for a year and more on one battery and some are "shake awake" that come on by movement. That's cool. One of these will be mine soon.

[340pd]

I have mixed feelings about the optic. Cold weather, breath on the optic, makes for a problem not to mention god forbid sweat or worse yet blood. Many of my small carry guns have laser activation as I am under the illusion that a red or green dot visible to my aggressor just might prevent me from having to pull the trigger and the fact I can effectively operate that gun with either hand, even partially behind a barricade, makes the laser my choice for a backup to iron sights.
After ten years of bringing new and inexperienced shooters to the line, at the end of the lesson I hand them a revolver or semi and run the target to 30' and tell them to ignore the sights and just focus on the dot on the target, their groups shrink by a full 50% .

[jeepster09]

Nice jeepster! What sights are you running on it?
Regards,
Greg

Trijicon HD's.

[gb6491]

Trijicon HD's.
Thanks Sir!

[340pd]

I have been using a Vedder Lighttuck for well over a year. Great product worth every penny they charge.
Thought I would try a leather minimalist holster and ordered a Kusiak Old Fashioned Tuckable.
Extremely well made, tiny, needs a break in as it is tight when you get it, but a really nice AIWB holster.
Compared to the Vedder.
http:// (http://<a href=&quot;https://postimg.cc/NLdCTfhK&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>https://i.postimg.cc/ncJyyC0G/20200319_064843_2.jpg</a>)https://i.postimg.cc/ncJyyC0G/20200319_064843_2.jpg (https://postimg.cc/NLdCTfhK)

[yqtszhj]

I like that Kusiak. Looks good too.

[I_Like_Turtles]

We are looking for different things. Glad you like your Kahr. It was exciting 16 years ago when it was the best for ccw. Now I really don’t get what the hype is for Kahrs.

I wouldn't say there is a "hype for Kahrs." I don't think there ever was. Myself, I am very odd. When I see most people doing something, I automatically want to do something different. I have always been that way.

Also, and this may be strange as all get out to some, but if a firearm isn't attractive to me, I don't want it. This includes self defense arms.

Now at one time, I was all about capacity. I no longer feel that way. I generally carry a J-frame or a 1911. Only recently have I begun to carry the Kahr CW 45. My last purchase was the Kahr K9....with the desire to tamp down my flinch.

I am not throwing off on anyone's choice in a Sig365.....I am much too libertarian for that! However, I am no longer enamored by the "smallest and highest capacity." That's what hits and reloads are for. :cool:

[Covert Kahr]

I wouldn't say there is a "hype for Kahrs." I don't think there ever was. Myself, I am very odd. When I see most people doing something, I automatically want to do something different. I have always been that way.

Also, and this may be strange as all get out to some, but if a firearm isn't attractive to me, I don't want it. This includes self defense arms.

Now at one time, I was all about capacity. I no longer feel that way. I generally carry a J-frame or a 1911. Only recently have I begun to carry the Kahr CW 45. My last purchase was the Kahr K9....with the desire to tamp down my flinch.

I am not throwing off on anyone's choice in a Sig365.....I am much too libertarian for that! However, I am no longer enamored by the "smallest and highest capacity." That's what hits and reloads are for. :cool:

I remember when kahrs were the in carry gun. I ended up with a Glock though because it’s too hard to pass up a new Glock for 375.00 out the door versus 5-600 for a Kahr when you’re a broke student. Glad you like your gun. Personally I’ll take the extra rounds in the same size. If the 365 was thick like a Glock I wouldn’t bother. If the 365 was the same number of rounds or had a KelTec trigger I wouldn’t bother. But it’s got none of those hang ups and has proven more reliable.

[187911]

I remember when kahrs were the in carry gun. I ended up with a Glock though because it’s too hard to pass up a new Glock for 375.00 out the door versus 5-600 for a Kahr when you’re a broke student. Glad you like your gun. Personally I’ll take the extra rounds in the same size. If the 365 was thick like a Glock I wouldn’t bother. If the 365 was the same number of rounds or had a KelTec trigger I wouldn’t bother. But it’s got none of those hang ups and has proven more reliable.

People like the trigger, the feel in hand, etc. Most Kahrs have a more classy and sophisticated appears to them (like revolvers) as well instead of the tactical look. I don't personally like polymer Kahrs, but I'll take a steel frame all day long over the new flavor of the months, e.i., Hellcat & P365. I haven't fired both, but I handled them for a bit at my LGS. I didn't feel the yearning to buy one. I kind of lost interest after that. I already have a Shield, Walther PPS M2, and a few MK and K series pistols. I just don't feel that the new flavor of the months and their 3 extra rounds are worth me spending $500 for the gun and $100s more on mags, holsters, etc... If I need more rounds, I'll carry an extra mag.

Now the roles have reversed Glocks, Hellcats, Sigs, etc cost around $500, and you can find Kahrs on sale for $300 for the CMs, under $400 for the PMs, and between $300-$400 for steel framed versions on the used market.

I find that older guys who like revolvers tend to like Kahrs, and the striker fired Glock fanboys and the like are the ones who are acting like the P365 and friend is the second coming.

[King Rat]

People like the trigger, the feel in hand, etc. Most Kahrs have a more classy and sophisticated appears to them (like revolvers) as well instead of the tactical look. I don't personally like polymer Kahrs, but I'll take a steel frame all day long over the new flavor of the months, e.i., Hellcat & P365. I haven't fired both, but I handled them for a bit at my LGS. I didn't feel the yearning to buy one. I kind of lost interest after that. I already have a Shield, Walther PPS M2, and a few MK and K series pistols. I just don't feel that the new flavor of the months and their 3 extra rounds are worth me spending $500 for the gun and $100s more on mags, holsters, etc... If I need more rounds, I'll carry an extra mag.

Now the rolls have reversed Glocks, Hellcats, Sigs, etc cost around $500, and you can find Kahrs on sale for $300 for the CMs, under $400 for the PMs, and between $300-$400 for steel framed versions on the used market.

I find that older guys who like revolvers tend to like Kahrs, and the striker fired Glock fanboys and the like are the ones who are acting like the P365 and friend is the second coming.


Older guys? Well maybe because I would guess they have a lot of experience over the years and can shoot a DAO very well. At least the one's dedicated to the sport. How many new shooters will go with a Kahr and a DAO trigger? Not many, they can't shoot them nor want to spend the time training to do so. I would say my son at age 20 is young. But why does HE love the Kahr, the Nano and the Snubbie and will not buy a light weight Striker fired trigger? Because he was taught from the beginning to shoot a DAO. And trust me, he can shoot extremely well. The Kahr has never been popular, never had the hype and I think the reason is the Trigger. What a shame, because the Trigger of a DAO at least for a quality gun is IMO far superior in many ways for EDC, especially small guns. And if you can shoot a DAO well, you can shoot just about any gun well. And shoot a small barrel DAO and even more so.
I have spent some time shooting the Sig 365, not a lot, about 400 rds. A very nice gun, great quality. But it brings nothing to the table that a Kahr CM can do other than a few more rounds. And sorry, but have been very focused on shooting in my area since I started to carry and just in no way believe you need that many rounds in practical every day carry. Just do not see the hype of a couple of extra rounds and I will not give up the sweet DAO of the Kahr. I do not focus on the last 5 rounds in training. In all practicality you will never be able to get more shots off than just a few at the most. And I know the modern day gun culture will disagree. And that is fine. You need more rounds for carry, I say go for it. But you better also focus on drawing and the first 3 rounds just as much.
If the Gun Gods said I could only carry a 5 shot snubbie, it would not bother me one bit. And the Kahr CM9 is IMO a terrific gun with a great trigger, plenty of ammo and LIGHT weight.

And I love the simplicity of the Snubbie. More so all the time. And I really like shooting a snubbie more than just about any gun made. Yes, the 365 and the Hellcat are GREAT guns. And if that is your choice fine. But they are not game changers at all, at least not for me and I emphatically do not want to have a light striker fired gun, when I can shoot a DAO well. And there is no convincing me that there is a reason to do so.
All that said, Congrats to all that just bought or own the Hellcat or 365. They are very nice Carry guns and you should be proud.

[DavidR]

Older guys? Well maybe because I would guess they have a lot of experience over the years and can shoot a DAO very well. At least the one's dedicated to the sport. How many new shooters will go with a Kahr and a DAO trigger? Not many, they can't shoot them nor want to spend the time training to do so. I would say my son at age 20 is young. But why does HE love the Kahr, the Nano and the Snubbie and will not buy a light weight Striker fired trigger? Because he was taught from the beginning to shoot a DAO. And trust me, he can shoot extremely well. The Kahr has never been popular, never had the hype and I think the reason is the Trigger. What a shame, because the Trigger of a DAO at least for a quality gun is IMO far superior in many ways for EDC, especially small guns. And if you can shoot a DAO well, you can shoot just about any gun well. And shoot a small barrel DAO and even more so.
I have spent some time shooting the Sig 365, not a lot, about 400 rds. A very nice gun, great quality. But it brings nothing to the table that a Kahr CM can do other than a few more rounds. And sorry, but have been very focused on shooting in my area since I started to carry and just in no way believe you need that many rounds in practical every day carry. Just do not see the hype of a couple of extra rounds and I will not give up the sweet DAO of the Kahr. I do not focus on the last 5 rounds in training. In all practicality you will never be able to get more shots off than just a few at the most. And I know the modern day gun culture will disagree. And that is fine. You need more rounds for carry, I say go for it. But you better also focus on drawing and the first 3 rounds just as much.
If the Gun Gods said I could only carry a 5 shot snubbie, it would not bother me one bit. And the Kahr CM9 is IMO a terrific gun with a great trigger, plenty of ammo and LIGHT weight.

And I love the simplicity of the Snubbie. More so all the time. And I really like shooting a snubbie more than just about any gun made. Yes, the 365 and the Hellcat are GREAT guns. And if that is your choice fine. But they are not game changers at all, at least not for me and I emphatically do not want to have a light striker fired gun, when I can shoot a DAO well. And there is no convincing me that there is a reason to do so.
All that said, Congrats to all that just bought or own the Hellcat or 365. They are very nice Carry guns and you should be proud.

I'm a very happy P365 owner and carry it regularly and I have to agree with everything you said. If my CM9 with 7+1 isn't enough then it's probably over for me. I don't carry the P365 for the extra capacity, I carry it because I shoot it better than the CM9. I'm just not as good with the long pull of the CM9 as I am with the shorter pull of the P365.

Oh and I hate snubbies.

[berettabone]

Many people dislike snubbies. Probably due to the fact that they are not easy to be accurate with as far as punching holes. They take a more realistic type of practice. Many have stiff, gritty triggers, and not much for sights. BUT, with a little polish and some spring help, they can be transformed in to great carry firearms. I use a 9# hammer spring and an 8# trigger spring in my SP101, and couldn't be happier with it. In double action, I can pull the trigger all the way back and easily hold it there to the point of right before firing. I won't be accidently shooting myself with one of these "light" triggers, pulling it out for defensive purposes, and single action just takes a light wind to fire. Someone here put it well...……………...with a short barreled revolver, you start at the belt line, let the firearm rise while firing, and pull until empty. Clean, holster, repeat. No misfeeds, no magazine issues, no striker issues, easier to clean, and with very potent ammo choices, and nothing to snag, they make a great choice for carry. The Kiss principle really works in this situation.

[340pd]

I have, in my opinion, an ugly snubbie the it is a great carry gun and at work will often replace my P365. Six rounds is better than five. A very PM9 like trigger.

http:// (http://<a href=&quot;https://postimages.org/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>https://i.postimg.cc/SNRhjK22/Matt-Whitfield-holster-zps1nii7xz0.jpg</a>)https://i.postimg.cc/SNRhjK22/Matt-Whitfield-holster-zps1nii7xz0.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[King Rat]

I have, in my opinion, an ugly snubbie the it is a great carry gun and at work will often replace my P365. Six rounds is better than five. A very PM9 like trigger.

http:// (http://<a href=&quot;https://postimages.org/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>https://i.postimg.cc/SNRhjK22/Matt-Whitfield-holster-zps1nii7xz0.jpg</a>)https://i.postimg.cc/SNRhjK22/Matt-Whitfield-holster-zps1nii7xz0.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Yep, that is ONE VERY UGLY looking gun. I only wish I was so lucky to be able to own one. Out of my budget range. All joking aside. it is really a beautiful revolver. I envy you. Like the holster as well. There are a lot of nice revolvers out there. But most are too expensive for my budget. 5 years ago bought the LCR9mm and a whole lot of ammo thru that gun. Then a LCR22 for more practice and training. Congrats on the Kimber.

[Bawanna]

What he said^


Except I'd like one with a hammer. I'm old school, if it has a hammer, I'll cock it.

I have a little Colt 6 shot Cobra from the 70's, for many years that little 2'' snub was the most accurate gun I shot. Still in near mint condition despite being carried for many many years daily. Haven't shot it for a long time, time to go play with it again I reckon.

[Covert Kahr]

People like the trigger, the feel in hand, etc. Most Kahrs have a more classy and sophisticated appears to them (like revolvers) as well instead of the tactical look. I don't personally like polymer Kahrs, but I'll take a steel frame all day long over the new flavor of the months, e.i., Hellcat & P365. I haven't fired both, but I handled them for a bit at my LGS. I didn't feel the yearning to buy one. I kind of lost interest after that. I already have a Shield, Walther PPS M2, and a few MK and K series pistols. I just don't feel that the new flavor of the months and their 3 extra rounds are worth me spending $500 for the gun and $100s more on mags, holsters, etc... If I need more rounds, I'll carry an extra mag.

Now the rolls have reversed Glocks, Hellcats, Sigs, etc cost around $500, and you can find Kahrs on sale for $300 for the CMs, under $400 for the PMs, and between $300-$400 for steel framed versions on the used market.

I find that older guys who like revolvers tend to like Kahrs, and the striker fired Glock fanboys and the like are the ones who are acting like the P365 and friend is the second coming.

If I’d bought that many guns maybe I wouldn’t have, but I only buy a new pistol every 5 years or so.

[187911]

I have, in my opinion, an ugly snubbie the it is a great carry gun and at work will often replace my P365. Six rounds is better than five. A very PM9 like trigger.

http:// (http://<a href=&quot;https://postimages.org/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>https://i.postimg.cc/SNRhjK22/Matt-Whitfield-holster-zps1nii7xz0.jpg</a>)https://i.postimg.cc/SNRhjK22/Matt-Whitfield-holster-zps1nii7xz0.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

I think the 3" K6S without the hammer is ugly, but IMHO, the others are beautiful well machined guns. Beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder.

[I_Like_Turtles]

OMGosh that Kimber snub nose is gorgeous! Does it come in a shrouded hammer version?

*I must now admit, I had forgotten how ugly the shrouded J frame is........and yet........I carry it.......sometimes two at a time! :eek:

I briefly considered getting a Colt Cobra or Agent with a hammer shroud as I know a single action let off is sometimes necessary. However, CTC does not make laser grips for the Colt.

[yqtszhj]

If I’d bought that many guns maybe I wouldn’t have, but I only buy a new pistol every 5 years or so.

Im just the opposite. I buy 5 pistols every year or so. Hope the wife hasn’t figured that out yet.

[187911]

Im just the opposite. I buy 5 pistols every year or so. Hope the wife hasn’t figured that out yet.

I use to go out and buy every new buzz worthy pistol that came out. I would even trade off the old version when a new gen came out. I ended up with a bunch of guns that most of which just collected dust. Now I put that money towards ammo, range time, and being the best with what I already own.

[I_Like_Turtles]

For a time I did that too.....actually there was a Guns & Ammo magazine, one specific issue, that had a huge impact on me. I ended up buying two of the handguns covered in it and both were crap. Neither is in production anymore.

Colt Pony Pocketlite
CZ 100

One of the reasons I went back to Kahr for compact CCW is because the trigger mimics my J-frame double action.

[berettabone]

I have, in my opinion, an ugly snubbie the it is a great carry gun and at work will often replace my P365. Six rounds is better than five. A very PM9 like trigger.

http:// (http://<a href=&quot;https://postimages.org/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>https://i.postimg.cc/SNRhjK22/Matt-Whitfield-holster-zps1nii7xz0.jpg</a>)https://i.postimg.cc/SNRhjK22/Matt-Whitfield-holster-zps1nii7xz0.jpg (https://postimages.org/) I prefer a hammer myself, but you've got yourself one purdy firearm...…………..does it shoot as good as it looks???????????

[boscobarbell]

I don't think I can hold out on the K6S much longer. I've shown remarkable restraint, but every man has his limits!!

[I_Like_Turtles]

I don't think I can hold out on the K6S much longer. I've shown remarkable restraint, but every man has his limits!!

Good to know our members have their priorities in line during this time of national emergency. LOL

[King Rat]

I don't think I can hold out on the K6S much longer. I've shown remarkable restraint, but every man has his limits!!

Lol, I am usually not far behind you Bosco. Go ahead and grab that Baby. I might have to rob a few liquor Stores to get one, and like you said, how much restraint can a man take? I think I agree with Bawanna and get the one with the exposed hammer. I would carry it in a holster anyway so would not be worried about the hammer snagging. Regardless love them both. But will have to wait and see how this Panic plays out. Can't even find any damn eggs for breakfast. I think my LCR9mm and 642 will have to suffice for awhile. And I have a large supply of 9mm that should last for a few years. Actually want a Rhino. My gosh those are easy to shoot.

[I_Like_Turtles]

Lol, I am usually not far behind you Bosco. Go ahead and grab that Baby. I might have to rob a few liquor Stores to get one, and like you said, how much restraint can a man take? I think I agree with Bawanna and get the one with the exposed hammer. I would carry it in a holster anyway so would not be worried about the hammer snagging. Regardless love them both. But will have to wait and see how this Panic plays out. Can't even find any damn eggs for breakfast. I think my LCR9mm and 642 will have to suffice for awhile. And I have a large supply of 9mm that should last for a few years. Actually want a Rhino. My gosh those are easy to shoot.

I am pretty solid on necessary supplies and food is hard to store long term (if in cans). I wish I had a self sufficient cabin to retreat to and take my father and GF with me but I do not. Living in a rural area provides me a lot of protection and so far, we seem to be OK. What I am short of I am rationing and I feel it will hold out at least 6 months.

However, I won't even shoot at all right now, much less risk a visit to a gun store. All monies have to pay for items I have ordered to help my father and I survive this.

When the weather breaks I can shoot outside some, if I really want to try that new-to-me K9 I bought.

A Rhino would be nice....is recoil really that less than a normal revolver?

[340pd]

The K6s is an interesting gun. When I ordered mine (I was in a snubbie phase) I had just bought a S&W 640 Pro Series. Nice five shot gun but the trigger left a lot to be desired so, some stoning and a Apex spring kit made it much better. Had I sent that off to a smith to do the work would have added $100 to the price of that gun not to mention adding a set of CT laser grips which meant that Smith would have cost me a titch more than the Kimber which needed absolutely nothing done to it to make it a better gun.

It shoots great because it's trigger is nearly identical to my PM9. Smooth all the way until bang. I do think the one with a hammer makes the gun look more balanced but I cannot remember the last time I have ever used the hammer on any revolver.

I sold my 640Pro to a customer for what I paid for it and now both of us are happy. He is a eye surgeon and shoots 1" groups with at 30' using the laser. I have never seen a laser sit so still on a target. Even at 75' he will hit you where he wants to if you are standing still.

The closest thing to a K6s is a Ruger SP101 with a really good trigger job that anyone can do at home. It's five shots vs. 6 but their triggers will become nearly identical and the heft and feel are equal. Sights being the only difference unless you get one with movable sights.

[berettabone]

I just don't understand how manufacturers can make such nice looking and shooting firearms, but leave them with horrible triggers. My trigger is close to what my MK9 was...………………….I've got the novak style sights, with a brass bead on the front which I painted white. I've noticed that compared to what I paid in 2016, the prices are about $150 more now. Sure glad I grabbed one back then.

[187911]

Love my M640 Pro. I'll never part with it. I'll probably will be passed down to my kids when I go. I never really warmed up to the SP101... Just too big and bulky for the number of rounds it holds, and this is superficial, but they aren't as pretty or refined as Smith's or the Kimber... With that said, I've still came close on several occasions to buying one from Grabagun or used on GunBroker. I'll probably will add one to my collection sooner or later you if I see a great used deal.

https://i.imgur.com/gVCJqDP.jpg

[187911]

I just don't understand how manufacturers can make such nice looking and shooting firearms, but leave them with horrible triggers.
Cost in labor... Plus I'm guess they're going for the reliability of the stronger springs vs using weak springs that may wear out quicker this prompt warranty use... Just my guess.

I don't understand why they can put real sights of semiauto pistols, but usually do not on revolvers.

[berettabone]

Love my M640 Pro. I'll never part with it. I'll probably will be passed down to my kids when I go. I never really warmed up to the SP101... Just too big and bulky for the number of rounds it holds, and this is superficial, but they aren't as pretty or refined as Smith's or the Kimber... With that said, I've still came close on several occasions to buying one from Grabagun or used on GunBroker. I'll probably will add one to my collection sooner or later you if I see a great used deal.

https://i.imgur.com/gVCJqDP.jpg I agree with the "refinement" part. A few finish issues. The SP is the stepsister. If you look at the price difference, and the mechanical operation, and the fact that you're going to carry it, and scuff it up, and handle it a bit rougher in it's life, it's a good fit for me. I don't find the SP to be bulky in the least, personally. It feels quite small to me. All of these types of firearms tend to feel on the small side to me. If you don't mind a few dollars in springs, you can purchase 2 SP's for the price of a decked S&W or Kimber. Do I wish that I owned a S&W or Kimber revolver? You betcha...…………………….I can't say that I would want to have one taken away in a shooting incident...…………...they can be too purdy to lose.:)

[I_Like_Turtles]

I agree with the "refinement" part. A few finish issues. The SP is the stepsister. If you look at the price difference, and the mechanical operation, and the fact that you're going to carry it, and scuff it up, and handle it a bit rougher in it's life, it's a good fit for me. I don't find the SP to be bulky in the least, personally. It feels quite small to me. All of these types of firearms tend to feel on the small side to me. If you don't mind a few dollars in springs, you can purchase 2 SP's for the price of a decked S&W or Kimber. Do I wish that I owned a S&W or Kimber revolver? You betcha...…………………….I can't say that I would want to have one taken away in a shooting incident...…………...they can be too purdy to lose.:)

Massad Ayoob recommends leaving the expensive guns home. The most expensive I have carried is my S&W 1911 PC....that's a $1200 dollar handgun with $300.00 laser grips on it.

Revolvers and heavy gritty triggers have happened since the 1990's. Why? DUMB JUDGES. It's a liability issue.

[Bawanna]

I used to be concerned about a gun getting took if I was involved in a shooting, didn't carry because I really liked it or because it cost a lot. I no longer give it a thought, I carry what I want and what has proven itself and works best for me.

It's the same situation for Law Enforcement, we had a shooting years ago and they took our two MP5s and a couple duty guns even though the duty guns weren't even fired. Outside agency of course does the followup investigation. Chief told me to write them off we'd never see them again. I told him bull feathers, I'm getting them back, took me over a year but I got them back, nasty, tough to clean up but I got them back.

One nice thing about glocks, zero personality, offer gets his gun took and he gets another one just like it and isn't the least bit bothered by it. Take his prized 1911 or some other real gun and it's more traumatic that shooting somebody.

[340pd]

Which is exactly why I bought a second P365 although it is nowhere near as much fun to hold in my lap while watching TV as my all steel revolvers. Gotta say I do miss my Ed Brown from time to time during episodes of Jesse Stone or Longmire.
BTW Berettabone, your 640 Pro is stunning with those Altamont grips. Not something I would want to slide across the concrete floor to my partner during a shootout but they sure make that gun pop.

[I_Like_Turtles]

Fear of losing my then favorite defensive handgun to a post-defensive shooting investigation prompted me to buy one just like it. That was the Colt Pony Pocketlite.

I eventually sold them both due to the superiority of the Kahr P9 Covert.

[berettabone]

Which is exactly why I bought a second P365 although it is nowhere near as much fun to hold in my lap while watching TV as my all steel revolvers. Gotta say I do miss my Ed Brown from time to time during episodes of Jesse Stone or Longmire.
BTW Berettabone, your 640 Pro is stunning with those Altamont grips. Not something I would want to slide across the concrete floor to my partner during a shootout but they sure make that gun pop. Actually, that's not mine, it's 187911's;)

[boscobarbell]

Lol, I am usually not far behind you Bosco. Go ahead and grab that Baby. I might have to rob a few liquor Stores to get one, and like you said, how much restraint can a man take? I think I agree with Bawanna and get the one with the exposed hammer. I would carry it in a holster anyway so would not be worried about the hammer snagging. Regardless love them both. But will have to wait and see how this Panic plays out. Can't even find any damn eggs for breakfast. I think my LCR9mm and 642 will have to suffice for awhile. And I have a large supply of 9mm that should last for a few years. Actually want a Rhino. My gosh those are easy to shoot.

I'm giving my J-frame .357 one more try...I bought some Cor Bon loads, along with some Golden Saber rounds, both of which are excellent performers while supposedly being a bit easier on the hands. Because I really want that revolver (at a little over 13 oz) to work, and can live with the loss of one round since I'm pretty accurate with it, even in rapid fire, with the XS Big Dot I've got. But, pain aside, I can't be accurate if I'm shooting a load that makes the muzzle fly up to the heavens and the gun try to jerk out of my hands.

So it's one more try, and if the result is isn't favorable, then I'm going to march into my LGS with my two J-frames and set up a trade for the K6S. I'll probably still opt for the hammerless, since I like to carry AIWB and wouldn't want to snag it on my shirt.

[Bawanna]

Why don't you shoot 38's out of it, reduce the flame thrower and comfy to shoot. Many practice with 38's and then carry 357's. Not that I want you to miss out on the K6S, if that's the story your using, I got your back pal.

[boscobarbell]

Why don't you shoot 38's out of it, reduce the flame thrower and comfy to shoot. Many practice with 38's and then carry 357's. Not that I want you to miss out on the K6S, if that's the story your using, I got your back pal.

Hahaha! I thought about it, but then why have a .357? Taurus is making a 6-shot .38+P that is only 15 ounces...that would probably be my fall back choice.

[Bawanna]

Your losing me, if 38+P works for you, shoot those out of your 357.

[boscobarbell]

Your losing me, if 38+P works for you, shoot those out of your 357.

Sorry...I wasn't clear.

I would much prefer .357 over 38 +P. But if .357 ultimately just proves unmanageable out of my J-frame--and I therefore have no choice--then I'll probably grab a Taurus revolver. If I have downgrade to .38 + P, at least then I'll have 6 rounds on tap versus only 5.

[Bawanna]

Awww right, the J frame is a 5 shooter, but still going from a Smith to a Taurus. That's a big down escalator in some cases. I've seen both good and bad but it's a gamble.
I say go for the K6.

[berettabone]

Sorry...I wasn't clear.

I would much prefer .357 over 38 +P. But if .357 ultimately just proves unmanageable out of my J-frame--and I therefore have no choice--then I'll probably grab a Taurus revolver. If I have downgrade to .38 + P, at least then I'll have 6 rounds on tap versus only 5. If you ever have to use your revolver to protect yourself, you won't even notice shooting .357's. I find them manageable in mine and the wife can even shoot a few. Corbon is a good choice for ammo, along with Win 110 gr. .38+ p's. I've been carrying the Critical Defense 110 +p's but also carry .357. Start at the beltline and let her come up. You'll put all 5 shots to the body no problem. I don't know why people are so hesitant or wary shooting .357. I don't find it THAT punishing. Maybe because I'm used to shooting .40 cal. on a regular basis. I would never purchase a Taurus instead of using .357 in something else.

[I_Like_Turtles]

Given how accuracy tends to decrease as threat increases, I moved away from Speer Gold Dot 135 grain +P down to Hornady Critical Defense 110 grain. My accuracy was better and perceived recoil was less with Critical Defense. A good hit with a slower-moving round always beats a weak hit or a miss with a faster-moving round.

Practice with what you carry.

A snub-nose lacks the barrel length to make use of the added powder in the longer .357 Magnum case.

As always, carry whatever you want (a close friend carries a Desert Eagle in .50 AE), as there are many, many ways to "stop the threat."

[187911]

Awww right, the J frame is a 5 shooter, but still going from a Smith to a Taurus. That's a big down escalator in some cases. I've seen both good and bad but it's a gamble.
I say go for the K6.

My Taurus M85 and Smith M640 does the exact same thing and function The only difference is the Smith is prettier and cost over ,2x as much, but the M85 has a better trigger.

[King Rat]

I am totally more than Happy with my LCR9mm I have had now for 5 yrs. I like the Ballistics, I like moon clips, and I like that ammo is cheap and available. The gun is this side of pleasant before going harsh. I typically load up 30-40 moon clips the night before a session. I am not recoil sensitive, but 357 is too harsh for me. I would only use 38 plus p.

Here is a great review with a lot of material. (note" Paul Harrell also does a couple of nice reviews)

https://i.imgur.com/DODzB4n.jpg?1

http://mousegunaddict.blogspot.com/search?q=lcr+9mm

https://i.imgur.com/V3cfVEl.jpg?6

[boscobarbell]

Awww right, the J frame is a 5 shooter, but still going from a Smith to a Taurus. That's a big down escalator in some cases. I've seen both good and bad but it's a gamble.
I say go for the K6.

Agree 100%. But the Kimber IS significantly heavier...which will help with shooting, but hurt with carrying. It is my only reticence at this point.

[boscobarbell]

If you ever have to use your revolver to protect yourself, you won't even notice shooting .357's. I find them manageable in mine and the wife can even shoot a few. Corbon is a good choice for ammo, along with Win 110 gr. .38+ p's. I've been carrying the Critical Defense 110 +p's but also carry .357. Start at the beltline and let her come up. You'll put all 5 shots to the body no problem. I don't know why people are so hesitant or wary shooting .357. I don't find it THAT punishing. Maybe because I'm used to shooting .40 cal. on a regular basis. I would never purchase a Taurus instead of using .357 in something else.



I am not worried about pain in my hand...I agree that adrenaline will take care of that issue for me. But I have found that it is far harder to do tactical follow-up shots when using .357. Physics is physics, and that muzzle rise is just tremendous (and the gun does want to squirm around in your hands quite a bit). And I worry about throwing my follow-up rounds...especially since I'll only have 5 rounds loaded to begin with!

I, too, use .40 all the time, including training days shooting several hundred rounds back before I retired, and was never bothered by the caliber. But .357 out of a 13 ounce scandium revolver is on a whole different plane of existence, trust me. :eek:

[boscobarbell]

A snub-nose lacks the barrel length to make use of the added powder in the longer .357 Magnum case.



I thought this, too, but Lucky Gunner lab tests of various loads show that you get significantly better performance with .357, even in snub nose revolvers.

And I think Paul Harrell also debunked this a while back in one of his videos.

[King Rat]

I am not worried about pain in my hand...I agree that adrenaline will take care of that issue for me. But I have found that it is far harder to do tactical follow-up shots when using .357. Physics is physics, and that muzzle rise is just tremendous (and the gun does want to squirm around in your hands quite a bit). And I worry about throwing my follow-up rounds...especially since I'll only have 5 rounds loaded to begin with!

I, too, use .40 all the time, including training days shooting several hundred rounds back before I retired, and was never bothered by the caliber. But .357 out of a 13 ounce scandium revolver is on a whole different plane of existence, trust me. :eek:

You are not kidding it is. More than significant. Like shooting two different firearms to me. IMO snub nose revolvers need diligent and frequent practice. I prefer a gun that I can at least shoot 150 rds at one session. And the 357 is not going to happen with me. And not to mention the noise and muzzle flash. Even if I got a K6 which in reality I won't. If I did get another revolver and moved up to size would try and find one in 9mm like the SP101. Each to his own, just MO.

[boscobarbell]

I am totally more than Happy with my LCR9mm I have had now for 5 yrs. I like the Ballistics, I like moon clips, and I like that ammo is cheap and available. The gun is this side of pleasant before going harsh. I typically load up 30-40 moon clips the night before a session. I am not recoil sensitive, but 357 is too harsh for me. I would only use 38 plus p.

Here is a great review with a lot of material. (note" Paul Harrell also does a couple of nice reviews)

https://i.imgur.com/DODzB4n.jpg?1

http://mousegunaddict.blogspot.com/search?q=lcr+9mm

https://i.imgur.com/V3cfVEl.jpg?6

If the Ruger had 6 rounds, I'd already own one.

I have grown to appreciate (but not love) the LCR. It is just a well-designed and great functioning firearm...I just need to adjust to the looks. Silly, I know, but I'm having trouble warming up to it.

I have considered the LCR in .327, which is a nasty little round but small enough that Ruger can pack 6 of them into the cylinder. In fact, the only reason that I haven't bought one of those is that I just wasn't keen on having to stock up on yet another caliber of ammo again.

[187911]

I thought this, too, but Lucky Gunner lab tests of various loads show that you get significantly better performance with .357, even in snub nose revolvers.

And I think Paul Harrell also debunked this a while back in one of his videos.

You beat me to it. I was going to post the YT videos when I got home.

[187911]

If the Ruger had 6 rounds, I'd already own one.

I have grown to appreciate (but not love) the LCR. It is just a well-designed and great functioning firearm...I just need to adjust to the looks. Silly, I know, but I'm having trouble warming up to it.

I have considered the LCR in .327, which is a nasty little round but small enough that Ruger can pack 6 of them into the cylinder. In fact, the only reason that I haven't bought one of those is that I just wasn't keen on having to stock up on yet another caliber of ammo again.

I own one as well in .357. It was my first revolver purchase, and I had it since 2012, so about 8 years now. My one and only complaint is that if you short stroke the trigger (which usually happens while trying to rapid fire), the trigger will basically be dead until you manually index the cylinder the rest of the way by hand. This doesn't happen with Smiths and Taurus revolvers, and it's not a fear I like on defensive weapon.

[Wlfman13]

I am not worried about pain in my hand...I agree that adrenaline will take care of that issue for me. But I have found that it is far harder to do tactical follow-up shots when using .357. Physics is physics, and that muzzle rise is just tremendous (and the gun does want to squirm around in your hands quite a bit). And I worry about throwing my follow-up rounds...especially since I'll only have 5 rounds loaded to begin with!

I, too, use .40 all the time, including training days shooting several hundred rounds back before I retired, and was never bothered by the caliber. But .357 out of a 13 ounce scandium revolver is on a whole different plane of existence, trust me. :eek:

Bosco,

Before you take two pistols to the LGS, will you give me a chance on the J-frame? You mentioned “13-ounce scandium”. I have a S&W 340PD, which is an 11-ounce J frame. Do you have the M&P340?

-Wlf

[King Rat]

I own one as well in .357. It was my first revolver purchase, and I had it since 2012, so about 8 years now. My one and only complaint is that if you short stroke the trigger (which usually happens while trying to rapid fire), the trigger will basically be dead until you manually index the cylinder the rest of the way by hand. This doesn't happen with Smiths and Taurus revolvers, and it's not a fear I like on defensive weapon.

Hm, I guess I am lucky as I have never short stroked the trigger. I would say because I never have ridden a reset in all my firearms. Have you shot the 327? If you ever had to use it, and did not have hearing protection on, you would blow your eardrums into the next county.Probably blind you as well. I have been checking out the ballistics of the 32 hr Mag. Lucky seems to think it is a good round, I personally do not have much concern of having just 5 rounds although 6 seems to be the ideal number. I have been thinking about the Taurus new 6 shot. Seems like it might be a good revolver. I have never owned a Taurus so really do not know much about them. When the Spectrum came out, I was really positive about the gun. Looked like they copied a lot of the Pico and everything seemed like it would be a good gun. Until I took one for a test. It was a horrible in every way. So for that, I would hesitate on the 686, however so many good reports on the 685 so who knows.
One gun I shoot the heck out of is the LCR22. It has turned into my favorite plinker and trainer. I have never once felt 22.cal would be a good defense weapon until one day when rapid fire shooting to old shotgun shells, the thought came over me that my gosh, this little gun would be hell on a attacker. I have shot it so often that I feel my accuracy is very good with it and 8 fast shots to the face and neck would not be a good thing for any attacker.
Weight is IMO very important. I love the LCR9mm, but the Smith 642 is lighter and ounces do matter, hence I carry the Smith more than the Ruger.
You say you have the 9MM? You confused me. The 9mm did not come out until 2014. I train with the 9mm about 5 to 1 over the Smith. Ammo is so cheap and not much more recoil. At least not for me. And if you read the review, by Pocketgunner, the ARX Plus P did very well and does not feel at all like Plus P.

[berettabone]

I've heard many complaints about the Airweight's. It's one of the problems one faces when desiring the lightest firearm that they can find. I choose firepower over comfort. My SP weighs double that of the Airweight, but shoots anything, and really isn't that heavy holstering high and tight. I have shot an Airweight, and know what the recoil feels like. Plenty of people looking for them. I don't think you'd have any problem selling it. That Kimber is a fine looking piece.:)

[boscobarbell]

Bosco,

Before you take two pistols to the LGS, will you give me a chance on the J-frame? You mentioned “13-ounce scandium”. I have a S&W 340PD, which is an 11-ounce J frame. Do you have the M&P340?

-Wlf

Yes, that is the one I own, along with a 642.

[340pd]

Bosco,

Before you take two pistols to the LGS, will you give me a chance on the J-frame? You mentioned “13-ounce scandium”. I have a S&W 340PD, which is an 11-ounce J frame. Do you have the M&P340?

-Wlf

The beauty of the 340PD, it is an extremely light five shot revolver that can handle a variety of loads, even .357 If you needed it for possible woods walking.
The down side, if you are recoil sensitive, followup shots are tough to say the least. I love mine but it gets little carry time and now resides in a holster velcroed to the inside wall of the entryway closet as most all my carry progression went from 340PD>PM9>P365.
Being a CT laser lover, especially on my snubbies, the LG405's from Crimson Trace do have a very small, thin profile but they also have a small air pocket behind the backstrap that really helps mitigate recoil. They have been the most concealable laser, or for that matter just about any grips I could ever find. I have no problem shooting 100 rounds of medium handloads in 38sp. per outing. I do shoot a few .357's on occasion but really do not see the point as if I ever need this gun, it will really be up close and personal.

As for double stroking or out running the trigger, it is possible on the Kimber if you do not let the trigger fully return to reset (I have done this on purpose during dry firing). I don't think it is a negative, I think is a matter of training and regardless of what brand revolver I am shooting I follow that practice and I have never had any problems even though I have tried to make it happen while firing. Must have something to do with reset during recoil.

[I_Like_Turtles]

More and more, I find I am recoil sensitive. I guess I really am "getting older." Further proof that it's just better to "live fast and die young." LOL

I usually carry a J-frame, 638, CTC laser grips, but I recently switched from Gold Dot 135 grain +P to Critical Defense 110 grain standard pressure.

Me buying an all-steel Kahr K9 was an attempt to control recoil. Heavier gun, smaller caliber. *I had been carrying the Kahr CW45 with 230 grain Gold Dots. But I was unhappy with the flinch I kept having to fight.

[jeepster09]

Given how accuracy tends to decrease as threat increases, I moved away from Speer Gold Dot 135 grain +P down to Hornady Critical Defense 110 grain. My accuracy was better and perceived recoil was less with Critical Defense. A good hit with a slower-moving round always beats a weak hit or a miss with a faster-moving round.

Practice with what you carry.

A snub-nose lacks the barrel length to make use of the added powder in the longer .357 Magnum case.

As always, carry whatever you want (a close friend carries a Desert Eagle in .50 AE), as there are many, many ways to "stop the threat."


Does this work?

[Wlfman13]

Bosco,

Before you take two pistols to the LGS, will you give me a chance on the J-frame? You mentioned “13-ounce scandium”. I have a S&W 340PD, which is an 11-ounce J frame. Do you have the M&P340?

-Wlf

Well, I typed before confirming my understanding of a key piece of information. That key piece of information was not the S&W J-frame model Boscobarbell has. Instead, I was unclear about which of my revolvers my wife really enjoys shooting. I only own two, and I really only shoot the 340PD, so I thought she really enjoyed shooting it. Nope. She hates that one. The one she really likes is this one, given to me by my grandfather before he passed away. He carried it as a cop.
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So, Boscobarbell, I’d like to sheepishly retract my request for you to give me a chance to outbid your LGS on your M&P340.

-Wlf

[boscobarbell]

So, Boscobarbell, I’d like to sheepishly retract my request for you to give me a chance to outbid your LGS on your M&P340.

-Wlf

No worries. I wouldn't want you to get in trouble with your wife!!

The M&P 340s seem to be a fan favorite, so I don't expect that I'll have trouble moving it if I decide to do so.

[Wlfman13]

I agree. It won’t sit long.

-wlf

[Armybrat]

Does this work?

Sister Clotilla - 5th Grade, St. Bernadette’s Parochial, St. louis, Mo. 1955. :ohmy:

[Bawanna]

I'm pretty sure she's from Ballard Washington, I remember her and my hands ache just seeing the picture.

I was near St Louis in 55 but still too little to get beat by a nun at that point.

[Wlfman13]

No worries. I wouldn't want you to get in trouble with your wife!!

The M&P 340s seem to be a fan favorite, so I don't expect that I'll have trouble moving it if I decide to do so.

Oh, no worries there! But, thanks for looking out for me! She knows the drill. Some guns just have to come home with you. Like a good dog. If it’s the right one, you can make space. However, (and I wonder how many of you have felt this) I have bought too many guns for her, only for it not to be the “right one”. As far as I’m concerned, the one she likes/feels comfortable with/shoots well, etc. is the best one for her, and I’ve stopped trying to make that decision for her. Right now, she really likes her Bodyguard 380. Apparently, if she could figure out how to carry that Combat Masterpiece IWB, without a belt, she’d want to carry that.

-Wlf

[5.56x24]

The Sig P365 is longer, taller, thicker, and heavier than the Kahr PM40. granted it does bring 11 rounds of 9mm to the fight versus the Kahr's 6, but it is a larger, bulkier gun. Kahr's "claim to fame" is that they build their guns to be SMALL...and part of small is accepting lower capacity for a narrow grip. The Kahr PM9 is smaller still - makes the P365 look huge, and is two full ounces lighter than the Sig. Capacity is limited to seven with a flush-fit mag, but again, the Kahr is all about being the smallest possible form for maximum concealment. Something to consider about capacity is the affect it has on loaded weight. While 9mm ammo isn't tremendously heavy, 11 rounds of it is 1.57x heavier than seven which puts the P365 around 23 ounces loaded compared to the Kahr PM9 at 19 ounces loaded with 124 grain ball.

[King Rat]

The Sig P365 is longer, taller, thicker, and heavier than the Kahr PM40. granted it does bring 11 rounds of 9mm to the fight versus the Kahr's 6, but it is a larger, bulkier gun. Kahr's "claim to fame" is that they build their guns to be SMALL...and part of small is accepting lower capacity for a narrow grip. The Kahr PM9 is smaller still - makes the P365 look huge, and is two full ounces lighter than the Sig. Capacity is limited to seven with a flush-fit mag, but again, the Kahr is all about being the smallest possible form for maximum concealment. Something to consider about capacity is the affect it has on loaded weight. While 9mm ammo isn't tremendously heavy, 11 rounds of it is 1.57x heavier than seven which puts the P365 around 23 ounces loaded compared to the Kahr PM9 at 19 ounces loaded with 124 grain ball.

I will say that IMO with 12 years of EDC, at least for me Ounces Do Matter. And there is a significant difference in a gun 4oz heavier. The Kahr CM9 is about as close to perfection as I have seen for EDC in a 9mm. Simply love the gun. Mild shooting etc. That said, I actually love shooting the Nano and Carry even more. Nothing more pleasant to shoot. BUT, I carry the Kahr. Why? Because the Kahr is a whooping 4oz ligher. I love shooting the Snubbies, especially the LCR9mm which gets a lot of range time. But I carry the Smith 642, why, it is lighter.

[DavidR]

Ounces definitely matter in the pocket. Not so much on the belt.

I cut down on the carry weight with my 365 by carrying 65 grain Inceptor ARX.

[Covert Kahr]

You guys are hilarious [emoji23]. It’s the same thickness and carries 50% more rounds and weighs 4oz more than the pocket pistol. Also has optional 15 round mag. “But it’s not a true pocket pistol [emoji24]”.

[King Rat]

I must have missed something. The 365, Cm9 etc. are not pocket pistols, agree. That is why I own Pico's, Kahr 380's etc. Sometimes will carry the 638 in a jean pocket but rare to do that.

More and more carry the 642 Ultralight. I have been EDC for about 12 yrs now. LOL, I use to believe in carrying a lot of rounds, extra mags etc when I first started. Realized it was just not necessary and started scaling down, and getting better with the small guns to the point that I love shooting them. Now it seems I am moving toward the 642. Why? I love the simplistically and am totally content in how many rounds the revolver carries. So easy to carry day after day after day. Sometimes I get tired of magazines. The simple revolver is so easy to unload, check for safety, or just open the cylinder when I get home or go to bed. And for myself, fun to shoot. Yes I shoot the LCR9mm in training more often, but no problem transitioning to the 642.

And the litltle light weight 380's are still in rotation. And they are light. Beautiful little guns and more than enough rounds for carry needs. Don't need 10 plus rounds and certainly do not need 15. If I truly believed that, I would carry a larger gun like the SR9C etc. and have 18 rounds.
It is just not real life for where I live. Never in 12 years of carry have I seen this in the town of a half million people. Maybe spray and shoot in the hood. I personally would not even carry 10rds in a Kahr CM9 if it was capable. I have magguts etc. But most of the time just carry the 6 rd magazine the extra rounds are just more weight and just defeat the purpose of easy every day carry.

[I_Like_Turtles]

I see the Sig365 craze as a fad....the fad is "getting the most rounds possible into a compact and lightweight handgun." At one time I would have been all over that. Nowadays, 24 years of carry, I have developed certain opinions on things.

Auto pistols are not "pocket pistols." The S&W 638 is a pocket pistol and the smallest and weakest weapon I carry.

Autos go onto the belt.

Bigger guns are easier to hit well with.

If I want 10+ rounds, I'll carry my 1911 or Browning Hi Power.

I'm even going backwards now....away from lighter and going back to a K9 just so I can tamp down recoil.

Now if a person wants to carry a Sig365 in their pocket, wonderful. What one carries is a very personal decision. A friend of mine carries a NAA .22 Magnum. I think that's silly but that's him. Another friend carries a Desert Eagle in .50 AE. I think that's a bit insane but that's him.

[dustnchips]

I always carry my CW380 in my pocket. My PM9 is a belt gun as I find it too big and heavy for a pocket. My other guns are a whole lot bigger than I care to walk around with so they stay home for home defense and some just to keep the rifles company in the safe.

[King Rat]

I have made a few post about Carrying the Light weight revolver more and more. It was interesting to see a new member of a Forum listed as user name SR1971 and posting about his new carry revolver the Smith And Wesson 340. Turns out it is Jerry M.

And Please, I am in no way comparing myself to him. But it does seem to me that more folks are going toward the small revolver or returning to it. And also, just find them fun to shoot. No wonder my favorite plinker is the LCR22.cal.

[berettabone]

After carrying an MK9 front pocket for 9 yrs., a PM9 would be a breeze. Always used suspenders to help carry the weight. Have now transitioned back to a revolver with punch. I'm also enjoying the simplicity and I've always had something for a nice revolver. If I go somewhere where I believe I need more firepower, I take my H&K, which weighs almost exactly what my revolver weighs. I need a bit more firepower in my hands to feel confident. The 380's and ultralight revolvers just don't do it for me, plus they are too light to be accurate with out past 25ft for the average person. I've owned and the wife currently owns a .380. I also can't see owning a revolver that only shoots .38 cal. I'd rather be able to shoot 2 calibers for my money and it makes the firearm much more versatile. When I started forgetting about weight and comfort, and focusing on what I needed, I ended up being more confident and more comfortable. I don't want to get in to a caliber war, but IMHO, these little pocket rockets and light weight firearms just don't have enough power for me to feel confident enough that it's enough power to put someone down. Ballistics, schmalistics, a pocket rocket against a large person with a coat on or all juiced up on crank, or both??????? Carry what you will, but sometimes, reality trumps a bit of comfort and convenience.

[berettabone]

I see the Sig365 craze as a fad....the fad is "getting the most rounds possible into a compact and lightweight handgun." At one time I would have been all over that. Nowadays, 24 years of carry, I have developed certain opinions on things.

Auto pistols are not "pocket pistols." The S&W 638 is a pocket pistol and the smallest and weakest weapon I carry.

Autos go onto the belt.

Bigger guns are easier to hit well with.

If I want 10+ rounds, I'll carry my 1911 or Browning Hi Power.

I'm even going backwards now....away from lighter and going back to a K9 just so I can tamp down recoil.

Now if a person wants to carry a Sig365 in their pocket, wonderful. What one carries is a very personal decision. A friend of mine carries a NAA .22 Magnum. I think that's silly but that's him. Another friend carries a Desert Eagle in .50 AE. I think that's a bit insane but that's him. The DE is for the burglar hiding behind the refrigerator………………………….next door.:p

[187911]

I carry 3 handguns now depending on my style of dress and venue. An Beretta APX Compact, Kahr K40, or K9. I carry all of them on my hip. I have a double, single stack mag pouch for the Kahrs and one double stack mag pouch for the APX. I feel no need to spend $500+ and another $100-$200+ in holsters and mags to only gain a couple extra rounds. I have zero problems with the weight or concealment when carrying these pistols.

I feel like the P365 is a solution for a manufactured problem. First everyone carried large steal framed pistols and all was good. Then polymer pistols came out, and everyone just had to have that, and was unable to carry anything else. Then the sub-compact G26 sized came out, and that was the beesneez. Then came the polymer single stacks, and all of a sudden everyone was convinced that everything else was either to big or two heavy. Now the new flavor of the week if the P365...

Then a few years from now, all the people singing the P365's praises will ditch yet another handgun to go with whatever the new flavor of the year is. I used to be like that, bit now I really s

[I_Like_Turtles]

"Jerry M.?" The same Jerry of high speed revolver shooting record fame? You just never know who you are dealing with online. Once I chatted with Asia Carrera on her personal website. That was pretty neat. Jenna Jameson once "liked" a FB post of mine regarding Israel.

I have some 8 handguns in the "carry battery" but only carry three of those. Several are repeats of the same firearm (S&W 638-2, -3, and 438). For now I carry the 638-2, Kahr CW45, or S&W 1911SC. Later I hope to carry the Kahr P9 Covert, K9, or Browning Hi Power. The HP needs a lot of custom work first though.

I put a lot of money into the rare alloy Hi Power but now may just customize one of my steel-framed HP's because steel = better control.

I recently got a double mag pouch for my Kahrs. It works fine so I now carry two reloads for a Kahr. I have one speed loader pouch and another on order for the revolvers. I will carry two reloads there too once the new pouch comes in.

But whatever floats a person's boat.

My friend with the DE has been pulled over a few times and what he was carrying became the focus of the stop as in "cop was so impressed he forgot about the speeding and just wanted to talk about the DE." My friend drives like a maniac.......I am sure he gets stopped often. (It's actually scary to ride with him).

[340pd]

I wore a suit and tie to work for most of my 46 year sales career. My suitcoat or sportcoat is where I kept my phone and in the right front pocket of my trousers was my PM9.
Get a well made pocket holster and the Kahr was always less revealing than my 340PD. Given the extra rounds in the Kahr my carry decision was an easy one.

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As for the revolver carrying enough rounds? A couple of days ago in St. Paul, MN, 47 rounds exchanged with no injuries. (gang related)

[DavidR]

My flintlock works just fine. No need for anything newfangled. :2rolleyes:

[I_Like_Turtles]

My flintlock works just fine. No need for anything newfangled. :2rolleyes:

Flintlocks are for the masses.....a real gentleman uses a wheel lock. I carry a brace of four myself.

[King Rat]

No comment

[gb6491]

Folks, let's refrain from making things personal.

[DavidR]

Lol, I guess from your constant use of the rolling eyes and sarcasm that anyone that does not believe you need to have 10rds or carry is wrong, or anyone that actually likes a revolver is just stupid. Then again it must hurt to see folks that can shoot and do well with just a few rounds. And I understand that some folks really do need more. Go to any range and not hard to understand.

D

Not at all. Everyone makes their own choices about what to carry.

I simply don’t believe that someone who chooses to carry one of the newer high capacity micro compacts rather than a revolver is a fool with no shooting skills that has been duped by Madison Avenue.

[DavidR]

Flintlocks are for the masses.....a real gentleman uses a wheel lock. I carry a brace of four myself.

I have 4 of those for my Nissan Maxima although I’m told they’re useless.

[Bawanna]

We haven't had a BBQ for quite a spell round these parts and since I was feeling plumb salty today I decided to strap on my thumb buster whilst I moved a bunch of firewood, even loaded all 6. I know the Ruger is safe with 6 but I usually stick to the empty chamber under the hammer like the Colts and my Uberti.

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Moved about 4 cord, challenging task for an old man in a wheelchair. Course I only had to move it about 30ft into the shed. That was the last of it, sheds full. Need to start looking for another log load.

[King Rat]

We haven't had a BBQ for quite a spell round these parts and since I was feeling plumb salty today I decided to strap on my thumb buster whilst I moved a bunch of firewood, even loaded all 6. I know the Ruger is safe with 6 but I usually stick to the empty chamber under the hammer like the Colts and my Uberti.

https://i.postimg.cc/RZmFq0df/Vaquero-1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/PP6hRTBr)
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Moved about 4 cord, challenging task for an old man in a wheelchair. Course I only had to move it about 30ft into the shed. That was the last of it, sheds full. Need to start looking for another log load.

Wow! love that grip! I know you are having a lot of fun!

[GROTMAN]

NICE LOOKING GUN. I SURE DONT WANT TO CAST ANY ASPERSIONS OR ANYTHING ON SUCH A FINE UPSTANDING MAN AS YOURSELF BUT ARE YOU SURE YOU DIDNT "BORROW" ONE OF GREG"S GUNS ? HAS THAT ARIZONIA LOOK TO IT. .:behindsofa:

[Bawanna]

No sir, I'm plenty sure Greg has a couple of these of his own. I got this one not long ago, it's 45 ACP, my other case hardened one is 45 Colt and my Uberti is also 45 Colt. Wish this was the double cylinder version so it could shoot both but I'm good with it. I just remembered them 45 ACP shot shells should work fine and dandy in this as well.
Actually I think them are Texas stars on them grips. I never been to Texas and I'm sure I'm going to hell for being a poser but I do have several cowboy hats so maybe I'll be ok? I tried, with Greg's help of course to get real stag but just have a hard time parting with the funds they get for the real deal. Maybe some day, until then these will work ok for me.

[Ed M]

Colonel - You gots style. That's a real beauty!

I've developed a hankering for one of those Uberti/Taylor 45 long colt SA revolvers, but the cost of ammo is just silly for 45 LC.

Yeah, I could reload, but I'd have to buy the dies. It's way up there on my want list, for sure.

[Bawanna]

Yeah, ammo and even bullets to reload are pricey and hard to come by sometimes. I really like the 45ACP. Sure it ain't really proper for a fella born 100 years too late but it works well and I got lots of 45 ACP. And I load lots of 45 ACP.

[Covert Kahr]

I carry 3 handguns now depending on my style of dress and venue. An Beretta APX Compact, Kahr K40, or K9. I carry all of them on my hip. I have a double, single stack mag pouch for the Kahrs and one double stack mag pouch for the APX. I feel no need to spend $500+ and another $100-$200+ in holsters and mags to only gain a couple extra rounds. I have zero problems with the weight or concealment when carrying these pistols.

I feel like the P365 is a solution for a manufactured problem. First everyone carried large steal framed pistols and all was good. Then polymer pistols came out, and everyone just had to have that, and was unable to carry anything else. Then the sub-compact G26 sized came out, and that was the beesneez. Then came the polymer single stacks, and all of a sudden everyone was convinced that everything else was either to big or two heavy. Now the new flavor of the week if the P365...

Then a few years from now, all the people singing the P365's praises will ditch yet another handgun to go with whatever the new flavor of the year is. I used to be like that, bit now I really s

It’s called progress through multiple design iterations.

[187911]

It’s called progress through multiple design iterations.

I call it the favor of the month and marketing. If the P365 wasn't available, everyone would be fine and content with something else. Some of those same people now feel that what they had isn't good enough anymore. If Glock came out with their version of the P365 which held 10 or 11 rounds, I'd wager there would be a lot of used P365s on the market. A bunch of people will switch carry guns yet again... Not saying theirs anything wrong with it, but I'm just making an observation.

Speaking for myself only, I just don't feel the need to constantly change carry guns every time something new and hyped up comes along.

[I_Like_Turtles]

Yeah, ammo and even bullets to reload are pricey and hard to come by sometimes. I really like the 45ACP. Sure it ain't really proper for a fella born 100 years too late but it works well and I got lots of 45 ACP. And I load lots of 45 ACP.

I don't care who says what: a 9mm may not expand but a .45 surely won't shrink.

[King Rat]

I call it the favor of the month and marketing. If the P365 wasn't available, everyone would be fine and content with something else. Some of those same people now feel that what they had isn't good enough anymore. If Glock came out with their version of the P365 which held 10 or 11 rounds, I'd wager there would be a lot of used P365s on the market. A bunch of people will switch carry guns yet again... Not saying theirs anything wrong with it, but I'm just making an observation.

Speaking for myself only, I just don't feel the need to constantly change carry guns every time something new and hyped up comes along.

I find Marketing to be one of the most interesting subjects for any product, and for sure you really see it in the gun culture of today. Flavor of the month, and HYPE. Amazing how many people fall into this trap. People actually lining up to purchase a product they really know nothing about and believing in the HYPE.
Hype marketing:

Hype refers to the attention and excitement you build for your product or service. ... Find features and benefits of your product or service that you can claim as "must-haves." One of the hallmarks of marketing hype is to create a need, instilling in customers the idea that they can't live without something. It is propaganda, repeat something over and over until the consumer really believes that he cannot function without what ever the HYPE happens to be. Later to find out that the hype is nothing more than just UN-needed fluff. What is interesting is to watch how that Hype will reach a peak and then start to fade over time. Prices start to fall, you start to see used one's on the shelf etc.
HYPE in the gun world will always or many occasions use "FEAR" as a sales tool. Fear is a great motivator in firearm ownership, religion, politics. And then the more is better pitch.
Typically I buy or purchase a firearm that has a proven track record over a course of years. Kahr as done that successfully. The Kahr CM9 is a classic that was not only ahead of it's time, but remains a solid performer to this day. The say Patience is a Virtue. On any firearm, I would recommend to not buy the hype, wait a few years and enjoy the gun you do own that has proven itself over time.
Or buy a gun with the excitement of the hype, shoot it and wait until the next Shot Show and get the latest hyped up firearm.

[berettabone]

I call it the favor of the month and marketing. If the P365 wasn't available, everyone would be fine and content with something else. Some of those same people now feel that what they had isn't good enough anymore. If Glock came out with their version of the P365 which held 10 or 11 rounds, I'd wager there would be a lot of used P365s on the market. A bunch of people will switch carry guns yet again... Not saying theirs anything wrong with it, but I'm just making an observation.

Speaking for myself only, I just don't feel the need to constantly change carry guns every time something new and hyped up comes along. There already are a bunch of them for sale...………………………………...

[DavidR]

My flintlock works just fine. No need for anything newfangled. :2rolleyes:

Rinse and repeat as necessary.

[Covert Kahr]

I call it the favor of the month and marketing. If the P365 wasn't available, everyone would be fine and content with something else. Some of those same people now feel that what they had isn't good enough anymore. If Glock came out with their version of the P365 which held 10 or 11 rounds, I'd wager there would be a lot of used P365s on the market. A bunch of people will switch carry guns yet again... Not saying theirs anything wrong with it, but I'm just making an observation.

Speaking for myself only, I just don't feel the need to constantly change carry guns every time something new and hyped up comes along.

And if cars weren’t available everyone would ride horses. I haven’t heard anything this backwards since Obama complained that ATMs put bank tellers out of work.

Some people are fickle and looking for the next shiny thing. I agree with you on this. And these people will dump their current shiny toy for the next one. I’m grateful that these people exist in large numbers because their money pays for research and development. If these companies had to wait for people like me then we’d still be using the Army Colt.

[Bawanna]

My problem is I never get rid of the last flavor of the month. I get attached and don't want to part with them. I figure eventually I'll have them all.
This flavor of the month doesn't only apply to guns. I know people that buy new Sea Doo's etc every year, cause they have a new color scheme, boats the same, just new colors and want to be seen on the newest. Cars the same way.
Fortunately or perhaps sadly on my side of the tracks I don't play along. My van is a 2000, and my pickup is a 1997. I'm way behind in the car thing.
We got the wife a Mustang a few years back, was looking at a new pickup in the showroom, one fancy SOB. All kinds of gadgets.
Asked the sales dude how much and I'll tell you what, it's a good thing I was sitting down. He said I need to buy more often so I don't get sticker shock.
Told him I just wanted to drive it, didn't want to live in it.

[DavidR]

Unless I’m wrong that 97 pickup is a crank start. You need one of them trucks with newfangled starter.

[I_Like_Turtles]

If an ATM is located inside the bank (local Chase installed two big ones) then yes, those do put bank tellers out of work. I guess Obama was right about something after all.

I like older cars because I like things to be simple.

People are just chasing the size/weight/capacity thing. I used to do that but then I realized the older gun writers were right: bigger and heavier guns are easier to control and hitting the target is worth much more than missing it a bunch of times. In a good holster on a good belt, weight isn't noticed. If it is, hit the gym.

[DavidR]

People are just chasing the size/weight/capacity thing. I used to do that but then I realized the older gun writers were right: bigger and heavier guns are easier to control and hitting the target is worth much more than missing it a bunch of times. In a good holster on a good belt, weight isn't noticed. If it is, hit the gym.

Not necessarily. Many people are looking for the most gun they can comfortably conceal, often times in warm weather, with concealability being of paramount importance.

Hence the popularity of those prehistoric revolvers like the j-frame, 18th century single stack micro pistols like the CM9 and newfangled double stack whiz bang micro pistols like the P365.

[Bawanna]

Unless I’m wrong that 97 pickup is a crank start. You need one of them trucks with newfangled starter.

Well yeah but it ain't much trouble. I've heard of them newfangled starters.

I got a new car salesman story I'll have to share later, might have before, don't have time at the moment.

[Covert Kahr]

My problem is I never get rid of the last flavor of the month. I get attached and don't want to part with them. I figure eventually I'll have them all.
This flavor of the month doesn't only apply to guns. I know people that buy new Sea Doo's etc every year, cause they have a new color scheme, boats the same, just new colors and want to be seen on the newest. Cars the same way.
Fortunately or perhaps sadly on my side of the tracks I don't play along. My van is a 2000, and my pickup is a 1997. I'm way behind in the car thing.
We got the wife a Mustang a few years back, was looking at a new pickup in the showroom, one fancy SOB. All kinds of gadgets.
Asked the sales dude how much and I'll tell you what, it's a good thing I was sitting down. He said I need to buy more often so I don't get sticker shock.
Told him I just wanted to drive it, didn't want to live in it.

If the 97 is a 12v Cummins then you’ve got the right one.

The sticker shock is crazy. About 12 years ago I went to look at trucks for work. Saw a fully loaded ford king ranch for about 58k. Same truck today is well past 70k.

I’ve only sold 2 guns, my black powder rifle and a .22 that we won in a raffle. I’m picky about which guns I buy. It’s why I don’t own a 1911. Id love to own one, but too many things in the design that I don’t like.

[yqtszhj]

My problem is I never get rid of the last flavor of the month. I get attached and don't want to part with them. I figure eventually I'll have them all.
This flavor of the month doesn't only apply to guns. I know people that buy new Sea Doo's etc every year, cause they have a new color scheme, boats the same, just new colors and want to be seen on the newest. Cars the same way.
Fortunately or perhaps sadly on my side of the tracks I don't play along. My van is a 2000, and my pickup is a 1997. I'm way behind in the car thing.
We got the wife a Mustang a few years back, was looking at a new pickup in the showroom, one fancy SOB. All kinds of gadgets.
Asked the sales dude how much and I'll tell you what, it's a good thing I was sitting down. He said I need to buy more often so I don't get sticker shock.
Told him I just wanted to drive it, didn't want to live in it.

The thing is your 97 and 2000 vehicles are probably better built than what you could buy today long term (at least that’s what I tell myself about my 2006 Tundra.) I tell myself when I want a new truck maybe Ill just get a fresh paint job and replace the faded plastic parts. That should do shouldn’t it?

[getsome]

If I don't get it done with 7 I probably won't do it with 11.....size matters, My PM9 is always with me and has never had a single failure to fire since it came out of the box....It works for me, never felt under armed or that I needed something better...nuff said...

[King Rat]

And if cars weren’t available everyone would ride horses. I haven’t heard anything this backwards since Obama complained that ATMs put bank tellers out of work.

Some people are fickle and looking for the next shiny thing. I agree with you on this. And these people will dump their current shiny toy for the next one. I’m grateful that these people exist in large numbers because their money pays for research and development. If these companies had to wait for people like me then we’d still be using the Army Colt.

No, that would not work. They would not be able to text message while riding a horse. The New Sig 366 with text messaging feature would not last long on the Market.

[boscobarbell]

My problem is I never get rid of the last flavor of the month. I get attached and don't want to part with them. I figure eventually I'll have them all.
This flavor of the month doesn't only apply to guns. I know people that buy new Sea Doo's etc every year, cause they have a new color scheme, boats the same, just new colors and want to be seen on the newest. Cars the same way.
Fortunately or perhaps sadly on my side of the tracks I don't play along. My van is a 2000, and my pickup is a 1997. I'm way behind in the car thing.
We got the wife a Mustang a few years back, was looking at a new pickup in the showroom, one fancy SOB. All kinds of gadgets.
Asked the sales dude how much and I'll tell you what, it's a good thing I was sitting down. He said I need to buy more often so I don't get sticker shock.
Told him I just wanted to drive it, didn't want to live in it.

When I was younger I used to chase the newest hot car every year or two. And then it finally dawned on me that I missed some of those really nice cars that I'd traded away for a newer thrill.

The best car I ever owned I bought slightly used, and I kept it until the newer models were 10 years younger, and even then I only sold it because it was getting up in miles and repairs were costing me more than a new car note would. And I STILL miss that car!

[boscobarbell]

If an ATM is located inside the bank (local Chase installed two big ones) then yes, those do put bank tellers out of work. I guess Obama was right about something after all.

Yes, that was exactly his point. From the same interview he gave: "The other thing that happened though, this goes to the point you were just making, is there are some structural issues with our economy where a lot of businesses have learned to become much more efficient with a lot fewer workers."



People are just chasing the size/weight/capacity thing. I used to do that but then I realized the older gun writers were right: bigger and heavier guns are easier to control and hitting the target is worth much more than missing it a bunch of times. In a good holster on a good belt, weight isn't noticed. If it is, hit the gym. I don't know about that. I've been a lifter pretty much since I got out of diapers, and I have just grown increasingly intolerant of carrying a lot of weight around my waist all day. Maybe it's because I carried a big, heavy metal Sig for over 20 years on the job, but these days I find myself reaching for smaller and smaller pistols when I have a choice. My two favorite EDC pistols are my H&K P2000sk and my Kahr MK9, but they are amongst my least carried because, at 24 ounces, they just seem like boat anchors on extended days. I carry my P365 most times if I am going into the city, but even its 18 ounces seem heavy compared to the 13 ounces of my M&P 340 or Glock 42.

[DavidR]

The New Sig 366 with text messaging feature would not last long on the Market.

Dang! I gotta have one of those. Checking Buds now ... [emoji4]

[King Rat]

Yes, that was exactly his point. From the same interview he gave: "The other thing that happened though, this goes to the point you were just making, is there are some structural issues with our economy where a lot of businesses have learned to become much more efficient with a lot fewer workers."


I don't know about that. I've been a lifter pretty much since I got out of diapers, and I have just grown increasingly intolerant of carrying a lot of weight around my waist all day. Maybe it's because I carried a big, heavy metal Sig for over 20 years on the job, but these days I find myself reaching for smaller and smaller pistols when I have a choice. My two favorite EDC pistols are my H&K P2000sk and my Kahr MK9, but they are amongst my least carried because, at 24 ounces, they just seem like boat anchors on extended days. I carry my P365 most times if I am going into the city, but even its 18 ounces seem heavy compared to the 13 ounces of my M&P 340 or Glock 42.



Weight Matters. I was a avid Cross Country Runner since middle school and continued until my old age now of running and Coaching. One of the things about the sport is the study of weight and balance on the Runner. Competitive runners are OCD about this, Why? because a few ounces do matter and a imbalance does one thing fast. It leads to injury. I could write a book about this but for the sake of time, I will just leave it with some thought. Take even a light weight firearm that weighs about 1 lb. Put on a shoe and then put a shoe that weighs a pound more on the other foot. Now walk all day, EDC every day and think about all the steps you take. Each step is slowly pounding away with a constant pressure. Weight on one side of the body is destructive to the skeletal system no matter how you cut it. I have seen hundreds of injuries over the years by simple imbalance issues.
Take a 17oz fire arm, add ammo, add a holster and you have a serious amount of weight hanging on on side of the body. About a lb and a half. Sitting, walking, getting up out of a chair, out of a car may not sound like much, but is is still forcing the back muscle to exert themselves and that exertion pulls on the disc of the back. I had a Chiropractor Friend that was a running enthusiast that would treat many of our runners. I use to have many discussions with him on wight and imbalance. Interesting how many back aches come from someone just sitting on a Fat Wallet.
For myself, I consider all things in EDC. And life is full of choices and considerations. Do I go heavier and go with more ammunition or lighter with a little less. What are the odds that you will actually use a firearm in your lifetime, which is very low, and what are the odds that if you do, you will use more than three rounds. Very low. What are the odds that carrying a pound and a half on one side of your body will risk Back injury which can plague you for life? Personally I would say a lot higher than most people think.

The Idea that a revolver is a 18th century firearm and not a modern day gun is something I totally disagree with. The evolution of them is coming forward all the time and remains a very viable firearm for EDC. And the ultra light weight revolver is so simple to use and carry. I suspect that is one reason why Jerry M. said on another forum that he carries a Smith Snubbie with a Scandium frame. And as far as I can tell there were not any Scandium frame pistols back in the 18th century. Sounds like many a little bit of evolution has taken place. And I doubt many snub nose guns back then weighed 12oz.
And then there are revolvers like the Korth. I wonder if anyone ever choose that gun for a purpose other than they just like revolvers? By the way, I was just reading about how out of the world the trigger is on that gun.

Besides carry, JUST FUN TO SHOOT. I was watching a Hickcock45 doing a video and review of a little snubbie. And he was having a good time and then said. "There is just something about them" in reference on how enjoyable they are to shoot. I love shooting small barrel firearms. And nothing is more fun at the range for me than shooting one. And my favorite plinker? Ruger LCR22.
A gun IMO should be fun to shoot. The more fun the more range time and desire to go to the range. The Snubbie has it place in the gun world. Not for everyone, but certainly a right choice for many. A light weight, simple to use and carry and fun to shoot firearm makes a good package for many.

This is what is Great about America. We have so many choices. But please do not be one of those poor souls that cares more about getting his tires balanced on his car and thinks nothing of his own spine.

[dustnchips]

@King Rat Solution for the guys that want to carry big guns with big capacity. One on each hip to keep things balanced. Now I will start to worry and will carry a 380 in each pocket to keep myself balanced. Do I need a second pair for my back pockets? A friend did not get his hip replaced when he should have and by the time he had it done he had serious spinal problems. Little things do add up with repetition.

[berettabone]

Weight Matters. I was a avid Cross Country Runner since middle school and continued until my old age now of running and Coaching. One of the things about the sport is the study of weight and balance on the Runner. Competitive runners are OCD about this, Why? because a few ounces do matter and a imbalance does one thing fast. It leads to injury. I could write a book about this but for the sake of time, I will just leave it with some thought. Take even a light weight firearm that weighs about 1 lb. Put on a shoe and then put a shoe that weighs a pound more on the other foot. Now walk all day, EDC every day and think about all the steps you take. Each step is slowly pounding away with a constant pressure. Weight on one side of the body is destructive to the skeletal system no matter how you cut it. I have seen hundreds of injuries over the years by simple imbalance issues.
Take a 17oz fire arm, add ammo, add a holster and you have a serious amount of weight hanging on on side of the body. About a lb and a half. Sitting, walking, getting up out of a chair, out of a car may not sound like much, but is is still forcing the back muscle to exert themselves and that exertion pulls on the disc of the back. I had a Chiropractor Friend that was a running enthusiast that would treat many of our runners. I use to have many discussions with him on wight and imbalance. Interesting how many back aches come from someone just sitting on a Fat Wallet.
For myself, I consider all things in EDC. And life is full of choices and considerations. Do I go heavier and go with more ammunition or lighter with a little less. What are the odds that you will actually use a firearm in your lifetime, which is very low, and what are the odds that if you do, you will use more than three rounds. Very low. What are the odds that carrying a pound and a half on one side of your body will risk Back injury which can plague you for life? Personally I would say a lot higher than most people think.

The Idea that a revolver is a 18th century firearm and not a modern day gun is something I totally disagree with. The evolution of them is coming forward all the time and remains a very viable firearm for EDC. And the ultra light weight revolver is so simple to use and carry. I suspect that is one reason why Jerry M. said on another forum that he carries a Smith Snubbie with a Scandium frame. And as far as I can tell there were not any Scandium frame pistols back in the 18th century. Sounds like many a little bit of evolution has taken place. And I doubt many snub nose guns back then weighed 12oz.
And then there are revolvers like the Korth. I wonder if anyone ever choose that gun for a purpose other than they just like revolvers? By the way, I was just reading about how out of the world the trigger is on that gun.

Besides carry, JUST FUN TO SHOOT. I was watching a Hickcock45 doing a video and review of a little snubbie. And he was having a good time and then said. "There is just something about them" in reference on how enjoyable they are to shoot. I love shooting small barrel firearms. And nothing is more fun at the range for me than shooting one. And my favorite plinker? Ruger LCR22.
A gun IMO should be fun to shoot. The more fun the more range time and desire to go to the range. The Snubbie has it place in the gun world. Not for everyone, but certainly a right choice for many. A light weight, simple to use and carry and fun to shoot firearm makes a good package for many.

This is what is Great about America. We have so many choices. But please do not be one of those poor souls that cares more about getting his tires balanced on his car and thinks nothing of his own spine. I can only imagine...………………………….

[King Rat]

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[berettabone]

I carry heavy firearms, I'm flat footed, I pronate, I've had double hernia surgery, I've shrunk 2 inches, my spine is attached to my pelvis on one side which fools with your sciatica, I slept at a Holiday Inn, and I'm way too old to worry about any of it. What helps me the most is getting out in the woods, having the warm sun beat down on my face, feeling a breeze, listening to the birds, and freeing my mind. The freeing of the mind has been the most important thing in my health. All the other stuff will naturally come sooner or later. It's called getting old. We're lucky that the body can take as much beating as it does throughout our lives, and yes you are.

[I_Like_Turtles]

Another reason why carrying extra ammo is important: to balance the load on the belt.

[DavidR]

To be fair, revolvers are actually 19th century technology (at least based on the first patent application).

In full disclosure, I really admire you guys who can accurately pop off 5 rounds from a lightweight snubbie. My only experience with a snubbie was a titanium Taurus 85 with a 28# trigger pull. I couldn’t hit squat with it and it was painful to shoot - probably would do more damage to my hand than the bad guy.

I have a 1979 Model 19 with a 4 inch barrel that I inherited from my dad. That gun has an amazing trigger and is fun to shoot but it’s way too big for me - I’m a small guy and can barely reach the trigger. Even my SP101 is a bit of a reach. Single stack semis and even the double stack 365 fit me much better. I had an LCR 3 inch for awhile but didn’t love it. I’d like to try a j frame snubbie with a nice trigger chambered in 357 for the extra weight and see how that feels with 38 special.

[King Rat]

I carry heavy firearms, I'm flat footed, I pronate, I've had double hernia surgery, I've shrunk 2 inches, my spine is attached to my pelvis on one side which fools with your sciatica, I slept at a Holiday Inn, and I'm way too old to worry about any of it. What helps me the most is getting out in the woods, having the warm sun beat down on my face, feeling a breeze, listening to the birds, and freeing my mind. The freeing of the mind has been the most important thing in my health. All the other stuff will naturally come sooner or later. It's called getting old. We're lucky that the body can take as much beating as it does throughout our lives, and yes you are.

Getting old is a progression of losses.
I hear ya. I have been in the woods about four times a week since this shut down. Scouting turkeys deer etc. Virginia Woods are beautiful in the Spring. I am closer to God in the woods than anywhere. Thinking about not bringing my shotgun and just my new camera. Do not care about getting a deer or Turkey anymore. Just a excuse to get in the woods. Today is the First day of Turkey Season. I always skip the first day. Too many trigger happy hunters. Will wait and go in the middle of the week.

I look at my young son who just turned 20. (born late in my life) Totally fit, hard as rock, has the world by the balls. I always tell him, to enjoy each day, you get old fast. I always think of the beginning of the movie Platoon.

Rejoice, o young man, while you are young, and let your heart be glad in the days of your youth.



Yes, in the woods you can find your soul, even hear a light wind.


https://i.imgur.com/Wik20WX.jpg?1

[Bawanna]

All our hunting and fishing seasons are closed till further notice. A lot of upset Turkey hunters. Guess they are refunding those licenses at least.

[Bawanna]

On this revolver note, my old department is setting up a display case with 50's, 60's vintage police equipment. They have holsters and other old equipment from days gone by but are looking for a time period revolver.
Can be rough, doesn't have to even work, in fact they don't want it to work. They asked if I could permanently deactivate one, told them I could but I wouldn't do it. They can do that, I'm kind of a do no harm kind of guy when it comes to guns.

If anybody knows of one, a 4" let me know.

[King Rat]

All our hunting and fishing seasons are closed till further notice. A lot of upset Turkey hunters. Guess they are refunding those licenses at least.

I have three yearly memberships to ranges. All closed. And I bet they swallow the membership dues. One collected the dues two day before shutting down. And when they do or if they reopen, they will be a complete mess for a long time. One range will be ok if they reopen, a private club where you have to be a member of the NRA. That alone eliminates a lot of the riff raff we have in my area. Also a member of Virginia Shooting Sports. These people are defiinately not the kind of people that will join the NRA. And they only open memberships a few times during the year.
The other two will be a mad house. These are indoor ranges. We had this mess before right after Trump was elected. A mob. Loud, obnoxious, all renting guns, cell phones going off, people getting kicked out because of intoxication and drug use. And some very dangerous acts with firearm safety. One range officer quite. One had a score board of the number of times a firearm are had been pointed at him. 17 times when I asked him. That was the day I saw him wearing a vest for the first time. I stopped going for a few months to let the mess cool down. I knew that the cost of ammo would stop them at some point. Most will just come in once or twice and move on. But still it will take time.

Lol, one of these scum bags actually stole a AR that was on display. Ran out, I guess he was so stupid to not notice the CCTV or the really stupid fact that he actually used his real name to siign in.

[I_Like_Turtles]

I have three yearly memberships to ranges. All closed. And I bet they swallow the membership dues. One collected the dues two day before shutting down. And when they do or if they reopen, they will be a complete mess for a long time. One range will be ok if they reopen, a private club where you have to be a member of the NRA. That alone eliminates a lot of the riff raff we have in my area. Also a member of Virginia Shooting Sports. These people are defiinately not the kind of people that will join the NRA. And they only open memberships a few times during the year.
The other two will be a mad house. These are indoor ranges. We had this mess before right after Trump was elected. A mob. Loud, obnoxious, all renting guns, cell phones going off, people getting kicked out because of intoxication and drug use. And some very dangerous acts with firearm safety. One range officer quite. One had a score board of the number of times a firearm are had been pointed at him. 17 times when I asked him. That was the day I saw him wearing a vest for the first time. I stopped going for a few months to let the mess cool down. I knew that the cost of ammo would stop them at some point. Most will just come in once or twice and move on. But still it will take time.

Lol, one of these scum bags actually stole a AR that was on display. Ran out, I guess he was so stupid to not notice the CCTV or the really stupid fact that he actually used his real name to siign in.

That's some crazy stuff! I guess this is in Virginia (AKA New Maryland)?

WV has gun stores open, I assume gun ranges are open too but I won't be going. The indoor range I belong to can keep the yearly fee I paid, as I figure they need it. Also, I shot there so many times already I more than broke even on the fee.

I think hunting season is still on and I know fishing license fees have been waived for state residents although bag limits continue. I see people fishing at the state park lake near my house. I was up at another state park yesterday and it was open although I was all alone. I did play on the slide some though. :cool:

[King Rat]

To be fair, revolvers are actually 19th century technology (at least based on the first patent application).

In full disclosure, I really admire you guys who can accurately pop off 5 rounds from a lightweight snubbie. My only experience with a snubbie was a titanium Taurus 85 with a 28# trigger pull. I couldn’t hit squat with it and it was painful to shoot - probably would do more damage to my hand than the bad guy.

I have a 1979 Model 19 with a 4 inch barrel that I inherited from my dad. That gun has an amazing trigger and is fun to shoot but it’s way too big for me - I’m a small guy and can barely reach the trigger. Even my SP101 is a bit of a reach. Single stack semis and even the double stack 365 fit me much better. I had an LCR 3 inch for awhile but didn’t love it. I’d like to try a j frame snubbie with a nice trigger chambered in 357 for the extra weight and see how that feels with 38 special.


The Snubbie was harsh for me when I first started shooting them. And like a Pocket size pistol I was a lousy shot. But for me, I developed a immunity to the recoil from shooting them so often., I do not even have recoil come to my mind when shooting them. Just use to it like any other gun. And I also train very often with a LCR22.cal. In fact the most fun I have ever had with a 22,cal plinker. I love shooting the Snubbies and pocket guns. I stated loving them many years ago when I really started to hit the range twice a week which I still do. And unfortunately I can only make it to the outdoor range twice a month due to work and the hour drive.
At a indoor range, the larger guns became boring and expensive to shoot. I found the Snubbie and small gun a greater challenge and hence, more fun. And that lead into a compulsion to get better. The better I became the more appreciation I had for them. I am totally more than convinced that you can do a whole lot more with a small barrel pistol or revolver than the internet will have you believe. And the small guns are for myself a Great weapon for self defense, both in conceal and fast shooting. I love them.
The key is to just do it often. Focus on the small guns and like any sport, consistent, diligent and frequent Practice and training. Those were the words I remember from my mentor and running coach so many years ago. And they have always stuck with me.
He would also say, "Running Fast is a slow train coming". Meaning that to reach your goal is not a over night success. It takes a long time and patience. You have to make the commitment and the sacrifices to reach your goal. Slowly get better and better. Set goals and have a plan at each range session. And then days to just have fun Plinking.

You have a 365. Nice gun. Shoot the hell out of it. Get totally proficient. It is a small barrel pistol. Do not let the internet dictate how well you can shoot it. You can go way beyond what they will tell you if you want or desire too.
Learn to be really good at point and shoot skills. It takes a lot of time and practice but the rewards are great. Do not underestimate the small pocket gun or the Snubbie.