Who else wants a double stack Kahr?

[Elkins45]

I would love to see Kahr make a 15 round double stack version of the P9. Sort of a Glock 19 but with the (IMO) superior Kahr trigger? Am I the only one? I would buy one as soon as it hit the shelves.

[scattershot]

To me, the attraction of a Kahr is that it’s so slim. A double stack magazine would eliminate that advantage.

[I_Like_Turtles]

Well, this site is an arm of sorts (or something) with Kahr, maybe they'll do a special run.

I also prefer the slim size. I view Kahr as a good "compact auto" and that is the role it fills for me. I would like to see a 4 inch barreled model, say a T9 slide on the K9 grip but it's not that big of a deal.

If I want higher capacity I would carry a Browning Hi Power and may do that yet although the BHP would need some custom work and I'd have to get a holster made for it.

[DJK11]

Not on my list. With Kahr thin is in. Five and six inch versions of the TP or T In 45acp would be on my must have list.

[Elkins45]

I would think Kahr could make a very thin double stack. That’s why I would like for them to do it.

[DavidR]

I would think Kahr could make a very thin double stack. That’s why I would like for them to do it.

If they thinned out the polymer on the grip and made it just a little wider they could accommodate a double stack mag. The polymer on my 365 grip is much thinner than the polymer on my CM9 grip.

[ripley16]

Keep it thin. There are scores of double stack guns but fewer thin guns. Besides, not sure how reliability would be affected. I've seen enough feed and follower problems without complicating the matter.

[Bawanna]

I think Kahr should stick with what they got and work on perfecting it, little things, steel flush floorplates. They have other brands to fill the larger gun niches and they do it very well.
I would be on board for a T45 or a K45 though. Singles stack is fine.

[getsome]

K45 for sure! I don't think we will ever see a double stack Kahr of any size or flavor....I may be wrong but I don't believe Kahr makes their magazines in house but rather out sources that work to another company....When Sig began work on the 365 they designed and built the hard part first which was the magazine and then built the rest of the pistol around it so in order to build a double stack Kahr it would require lots of R&D money to get a working magazine to design a pistol from and I don't think they are interested in that kind of commitment and investment to bring a new product to the market?...Why mess with perfection especially if you can sell all you can make....Make mine a thin PM any day....

[JohnR]

I’d be very interested in a Kahr double stack, and have said so on here a few times :)

[I_Like_Turtles]

I was not aware of the magazine issue but a K45 would be so heavy, one would just go with a 1911 variant, like I read elsewhere on this forum.

Really, when was the last real innovation Kahr had? Was it 2005 with the Kahr P45?

[yqtszhj]

I would love to see Kahr make a 15 round double stack version of the P9. Sort of a Glock 19 but with the (IMO) superior Kahr trigger? Am I the only one? I would buy one as soon as it hit the shelves.

Ill take one and sell my G43x and Shield Arms mags to pay for it.

[dao]

Yep, K45 would be nice. Can't for the life of me figure out why Kahr hasn't already produced these. And I'd be ok with it in a double stack with say 10rds in the new KDS45 :)

[O'Dell]

There are loads of twin-stack pistols on the market. That not in Kahr's wheelhouse and I welcome the thin grip. I would have not bought a Kahr in the first place if they were like all the others and I have bought eight.

[Bawanna]

This right here^^^

[JohnR]

For me, the trigger is what makes a Kahr unique. There are plenty of skinny guns out there with triggers I don't care for, but few double stacks with a trigger like a Kahr.

[dao]

But, nothing wrong with options right?

I've owned guns from many manufacturers and enjoyed them. But there are others from those same manufacturers that I wouldn't care to own. But you might. That's what makes capitalism great, there's something for everyone regardless of whether or not Joe doesn't like what Jim does.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that Kahr stop making what they make well...and I've owned more than eight. :bump2:

[dao]

For me, the trigger is what makes a Kahr unique. There are plenty of skinny guns out there with triggers I don't care for, but few double stacks with a trigger like a Kahr.

I have an FNX45 (DA/SA), coming and I've read reviews which say it has a very smooth DA pull, some comparing it to that of a revolver. I'm not anticipating it will be as smooth as my Kahrs, but I'll let you know.

[Bawanna]

I like Jim just fine, he's a nut case but I still like him. Where did that come from?

[JohnR]

I was thinking about this choice thingy. Police and military don't have it. They pretty much say, "Here, there's your rifle and sidearm; get used to them." We get to engage in that endless quest for the perfect firearm that melds with our very being. I sometimes wonder if that's really best or not.

[dao]

LOL Colonel. Could have just as easily been Bob and Frank. Anything other than us vs. them. Trying not to personalize it overly much. :)

[dao]

Certainly not best for out wallets. But expensive as it is, it's a fun hobby! As they say, variety is the spice of life.

[BubbleHead]

I have small hands for a 44 year old man so I don't want a double stack anything, let alone a Kahr.

[DavidR]

I have small hands for a 44 year old man so I don't want a double stack anything, let alone a Kahr.

I have small hands too. Sig made a double stack with a grip not much thicker than Kahr’s single stack. It’s certainly possible to have a 10+1 CM9 but I don’t think we’ll see it.

Kahr made an attempt to innovate some years ago but it must have been a fail because it never came to market. There’s no indication that they’re working on anything new. I’m happy with my Kahrs but my last two purchases have been Sigs and my next purchase may be a Walther.

[dao]

For me, the trigger is what makes a Kahr unique. There are plenty of skinny guns out there with triggers I don't care for, but few double stacks with a trigger like a Kahr.

Got to handle the FNX45 today when I went in to fill out my paperwork. I only pulled the trigger in DA once but it sure felt smooth to me, much like my Kahrs. I should have it home within a week or so, and I'll play with it more. And measure the pull with a scale. If anyone's interested in exactly how it stacks up to a Kahr trigger, give me a shout or reply to this thread with an inquiry and I'll give a more detailed report.

Earlier I wasn't trying to get on anyone for being perfectly happy with Kahr as it is and their guns as they are. Just wanted to give a nod to variety and the idea that it can be a good thing.

[I_Like_Turtles]

Got to handle the FNX45 today when I went in to fill out my paperwork. I only pulled the trigger in DA once but it sure felt smooth to me, much like my Kahrs. I should have it home within a week or so, and I'll play with it more. And measure the pull with a scale. If anyone's interested in exactly how it stacks up to a Kahr trigger, give me a shout or reply to this thread with an inquiry and I'll give a more detailed report.

Earlier I wasn't trying to get on anyone for being perfectly happy with Kahr as it is and their guns as they are. Just wanted to give a nod to variety and the idea that it can be a good thing.

A friend carries the FNX45 but he doesn't shoot it as well as he should. I think it's a lack of practice combined with the high sights and the long take up in single action. After a few rounds I got a handle on the single action and was able to knock down the steel plates with it pretty well.

Nothing wrong with variety! ;)

[Covert Kahr]

I already bought a p365. I waited for Kahr to make one and fix some of the things that I don’t like about their trigger. I can only wait a decade or so before I have to go with other than a kahr.

[dao]

My approval came back very quickly this time around. Picked up my FNX45 today.
DA trigger is smooth, but not the same as the Kahr. That might have something to do with tactile feel, because the trigger is shaped a bit differently and not smooth steel like our Kahrs' triggers. But also because it averages at about 9lbs 9oz. Also there is an audible and tactile click when it clears the half-cock notch, though thankfully no creep. I have felt far worse triggers on many other guns. I think with time it will become less "alien" to my finger. The SA pull is pretty good as well though neither DA or SA is on a par with my Berettas.
The grip is fine and the large backstrap feels better than the small though I won't know if I'll shoot better with one or the other until our range reopens. Either way it's a large grip and those with less than medium mitts might find it too large, though it's angled more like a 1911 and is not as large in my hand as a Beretta. Beyond and possibly in spite of all of the above it's hard not to like 15 + 1 in a .45 and that was the deciding factor for me. It will not replace any of my Kahrs which despite being single stack and low in capacity still have the smoothest DA trigger I've ever had the pleasure to pull, or own.

[Elkins45]

I’m waking up this old thread to say I watched a video today from a guy who claimed to have talked to Kahr at the SHOT show. He claims they are very close to releasing a double stack. Not only that, but a double stack with a bunch of really innovative features.

https://youtu.be/EDj-59sWckI


https://youtu.be/EDj-59sWckI

[DavidR]

That explains the pig I saw flying yesterday.

[O'Dell]

That explains the pig I saw flying yesterday.


Couldn't have said it better. KAHR DOESN'T MAKE DOUBLESTACKS. That's why I buy them for carry.

[JohnR]

I may or may not buy one either, but if it helps keep Kahr in business I’m all for it.

[FreeMe]

The other added features are going to have to make the difference for me. If they can increase the rounds without messing up the grip size, that's fine. But it better have the same trigger as the current K9 and it better be optics ready, or I have no reason to buy.

[yqtszhj]

If it’s the size of my cm9 and is RELIABLE, and has the same smooth trigger I’ll buy one. Must be RELIABLE though.

We’ll see if it happens.

[Elkins45]

I wonder if the special extra features include interchangeable grip frames like the Sig P365?

Whatever it is it better have the same trigger.

[Tilos]

I already bought a p365. I waited for Kahr to make one and fix some of the things that I don’t like about their trigger. I can only wait a decade or so before I have to go with other than a kahr.

Yep, bought a Sig P250, same reason.

After hearing all the double-speak in that vid about "double stack", I am guessing it's more like a "Staggered Stack", narrow at the top like a single stack and fatter than a single stack/not as fat as a double stack below that.
Still somewhat thin but a little higher capacity.
jmo,

[BirdsThaWord]

The big question for me is will it have a metal frame or Tupperware? We know Kahr knows how to make AWESOME guns, (show me one that wasn’t, other than the brief run of 380’s with extractors that were a miss, which fan easily be overame) I’m excited!!!

[dao]

Let's just hope it's not yet another double stack, polymer, single action striker.... you know, along the lines of the P365, Hellcat, S&W, etc. My hope is that he's come up with something that is truly new to the industry. And only in black or stainless :)

[JohnR]

And hopefully not in .30 Sooper Carry.

[Burnett]

Count me in for one! A Hellcat sized stack and a half P9 would be awesome!

[yqtszhj]

Let's just hope it's not yet another double stack, polymer, single action striker.... you know, along the lines of the P365, Hellcat, S&W, etc. My hope is that he's come up with something that is truly new to the industry. And only in black or stainless :)

Maybe in DA/SA or DAO. Keeping the same micro size. That would be interesting to me and be appealing, but I’m on the weird side so many may not like it.

I did order and install the P365 thumb safety for one of my 365’s and have to admit that I kinda like it as I’ve been carrying my SA pistols lately.

[getsome]

What’s wrong with .30 Super, sounds like a very interesting new carry round so long as it’s available at the local shop……I’d love a PM9 sized pistol with 10 rounds in the same slim grip in .30 Super, tastes great, less filling…….What’s not to like?

[DavidR]

Maybe it’s this, 8 years later

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230123/c9166b0a03ad15c192e8f82f57eadd16.jpg

[dao]

Maybe in DA/SA or DAO. Keeping the same micro size. That would be interesting to me and be appealing, but I’m on the weird side so many may not like it.

I did order and install the P365 thumb safety for one of my 365’s and have to admit that I kinda like it as I’ve been carrying my SA pistols lately.

I gotta say I don't understand this trend and majority of single action, striker fired guns that do not have a manual thumb safety. Lots of people thought 1911 carriers were crazy to carry cocked and locked in spite of both a passive and a manual safety on them. Yet fast forward several years and soccer moms are now carrying glocks, p365's, hellcats, and others that are single action with no manual safety. Short, light trigger stroke that, true, is not as short or as light as a typical 1911 but still, light enough that a baby could pull it. To me it's a recipe for disaster. The SA strikers I own each has a manual safety and I won't have one that doesn't. If Kahr puts out an SA striker gun without a manual thumb safety I won't jump on that bandwagon.

[tokuno]

California 10-round magazine laws limit my excitement over double-stacks, especially since I'm using Magguts 6+1 (+1) & 7+1 (+1).
I'm pretty happy with what I've got; don't anticipate trading up to increase round count.
Nevertheless, I agree that extended capacity is great if it keeps Kahr relevant (and in business).

[DJK11]

A double stack PM45 with a chunky 1.5” wide grip, light rail, laser guide rod, optic cut and co- witness fiber optic night sites. Then I’m all in.

Forgot the ported barrel, easy rack slide and custom back straps.

[DJK11]

If it’s a higher capacity K9, will Danny Reagan be allowed to carry on duty?

[Bawanna]

I watch that show often and sometimes I almost swear he's carrying a T. Could be camera effect or something but looks like a T now and then.

[FreeMe]

I gotta say I don't understand this trend and majority of single action, striker fired guns that do not have a manual thumb safety. Lots of people thought 1911 carriers were crazy to carry cocked and locked in spite of both a passive and a manual safety on them. Yet fast forward several years and soccer moms are now carrying glocks, p365's, hellcats, and others that are single action with no manual safety. Short, light trigger stroke that, true, is not as short or as light as a typical 1911 but still, light enough that a baby could pull it. To me it's a recipe for disaster. The SA strikers I own each has a manual safety and I won't have one that doesn't. If Kahr puts out an SA striker gun without a manual thumb safety I won't jump on that bandwagon.


+1 on that. The current K9 trigger is perfect. The P and C, not so much, but almost. And if it sports any kind of trigger safety, I'm out. Give me a K9 Elite with optics cut and cowitnessed sights, and I'll be a happy camper.

[JohnR]

I've written here before, that a Kahr 9mm with the grip width of the Kahr 45 would accommodate a staggered magazine that will hold several more rounds. And the .45 grip width of a Kahr feels perfect to me.

[JohnR]

Features never before seen... .45ACP in all steel, with 10- round magazines and a K9 or T9 trigger. Shut up and take my money.

[FreeMe]

Features never before seen... .45ACP in all steel, with 10- round magazines and a K9 or T9 trigger. Shut up and take my money.

That would be intriguing. Or perhaps 10mm?

[dao]

Features never before seen... .45ACP in all steel, with 10- round magazines and a K9 or T9 trigger. Shut up and take my money.

You know, that's a distinct possibility. The Firearm Guy has always loved his PM45 especially. I can see him getting as hyped up as he was over an all steel 45....!

[djd100]

I do, a slightly wider gripped PM9 with a hybrid double-stack holding 10 + 1 flush to compete with the Sig 365, I'd buy that!

[iWander]

I do, a slightly wider gripped PM9 with a hybrid double-stack holding 10 + 1 flush to compete with the Sig 365, I'd buy that!I'd sell my 365XL to buy one or a P9 size!

[King Rat]

I am more than happy with my Taurus GX4. (now approaching 1400 flawless rounds of shooting) and more than happy with my Present CM9's, Actually carry the Kahr more because of the lighter weight. And actually carry the P380 more than that. My Kahr's are well broken in and I have about 8 or 9 magazines for them. And Kahr mags are not cheap. If I were younger, I would probably get the New Model. I just not thrilled about the idea. To this date I have not bought into the high capacity needs like most of the gun Culture on the internet.
I am starting to develop arthritis in my off hand thumb. Not sure racking the slide of a Kahr will last down the road. The Taurus is much easier and heck, I may even carry one of my revolvers.
I am so impressed the the GX4 that I most likely invest in one of their 6 shot revolvers instead.

For fans of the New coming Kahr, it is going to be great. For others, the new gun culture does not understand the beauty of the DAO Style trigger like the Kahr. And that is a shame as the Kahr has the best trigger of any Pistol made IMO.

[JohnR]

I can recommend the Taurus 856. With lighter springs, it’s a sweet .38.

[King Rat]

I can recommend the Taurus 856. With lighter springs, it’s a sweet .38.


Definitely looking at the Taurus 856 Steel vs ultra light weight. I already have the Smith 642 and LCR9mm and 22.cal.

[Bawanna]

Being a department armorer for a very long time I never much agreed with the need mentality. The police always want to do what the military does, or they all want to be equipped like LA SWAT etc. I was totally on board with getting the best equipment to serve the needs but generally especially in a small-town armored vehicles and the latest gadgets just aren't needed.
In similar fashion private citizens want to be equipped like the police. Even though the needs and applications are completely different. Us civilians are defense, police are offense. Until the big defund the police they would go towards the danger to help the folks on defense.
We just need the tool to get away and defend family and those that need it. Unless of course like me you're a get involved sheepdog type that just refuses to run. If that's the case, you just need a bigger gun.

[FreeMe]

Being a department armorer for a very long time I never much agreed with the need mentality. The police always want to do what the military does, or they all want to be equipped like LA SWAT etc. I was totally on board with getting the best equipment to serve the needs but generally especially in a small-town armored vehicles and the latest gadgets just aren't needed.
In similar fashion private citizens want to be equipped like the police. Even though the needs and applications are completely different. Us civilians are defense, police are offense. Until the big defund the police they would go towards the danger to help the folks on defense.
We just need the tool to get away and defend family and those that need it. Unless of course like me you're a get involved sheepdog type that just refuses to run. If that's the case, you just need a bigger gun.

My thoughts, pretty much. More important to me than capacity, is ease of landing first effective rounds on target. If this new development increases that without giving up anything, they have my attention.

[JohnR]

I’m waking up this old thread to say I watched a video today from a guy who claimed to have talked to Kahr at the SHOT show. He claims they are very close to releasing a double stack. Not only that, but a double stack with a bunch of really innovative features.

https://youtu.be/EDj-59sWckI


https://youtu.be/EDj-59sWckI
It’s been a month…

[King Rat]

Being a department armorer for a very long time I never much agreed with the need mentality. The police always want to do what the military does, or they all want to be equipped like LA SWAT etc. I was totally on board with getting the best equipment to serve the needs but generally especially in a small-town armored vehicles and the latest gadgets just aren't needed.
In similar fashion private citizens want to be equipped like the police. Even though the needs and applications are completely different. Us civilians are defense, police are offense. Until the big defund the police they would go towards the danger to help the folks on defense.
We just need the tool to get away and defend family and those that need it. Unless of course like me you're a get involved sheepdog type that just refuses to run. If that's the case, you just need a bigger gun.

Well said!

BuBu but what happen's if I go to a Mall and have to shoot a bad guy 40 yds away across a food court? What if there are three of them? I better get a high capacity gun and make sure it has a Red Dot!

Seriously, Practical EDC seems to be a thing of the past. It is going so far over the Top it is insane. Seems if you are not training like a Ninja, and have a high capacity firearm you are a dead man walking.
But Hey! ya gotta to love the Marketing. Those boy's sure know how to sell!

I am more impressed with this video of the PM9 than any news of a New Kahr with high capacity and new gadgets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDj-59sWckI

[JohnR]

So it should be announced by April 14, at the NRA Convention.

[King Rat]

My thoughts, pretty much. More important to me than capacity, is ease of landing first effective rounds on target. If this new development increases that without giving up anything, they have my attention.

Hopefully it will be a success and all the Double stack fans will trade in their single stacks, which means some great deals for Practical carry folks. Not to mention Magazines.

[O'Dell]

Hopefully it will be a success and all the Double stack fans will trade in their single stacks, which means some great deals for Practical carry folks. Not to mention Magazines.

Good Point! I'm that practical carry guy who likes a thin grip. Maybe I'll find another MK40, which is my favorite Kahr.

[JohnR]

One plus to Kahr keeping the single stacks is that if double stack pocket guns become the norm, the Kahrs will be their own category. Mousegun -> Kahr -> Fat pocket gun -> compact -> full size.

[djd100]

The trick is to increase the capacity with just a minimal increase in grip width like the Sig 365 (0.10" wider +-), while keeping the Kahr trigger IMO!

I'm with the practical carry tribe, and being in CA 10 is all we get, so 10 + 1 in a slightly wider gripped PM9 works for me.

That said, unless SCOTUS kills the ridiculous CA Hand Gun Roster, we'll never see a new hand gun anyways...

[DJK11]

I never wanted or wished for a double stack Kahr, but I’ve changed my feeble mind. I have a hankering for a PM45 with a ten to fifteen round capacity. A nice triple stack would be great. While I’m dreaming maybe some 45’s with five or six inch barrels.

[DavidR]

The high capacity micro 9 market has a lot of offerings:

Sig Sauer
Springfield
S&W
Ruger
Taurus
Canik
IWI
H&K (coming out next year)

It’ll be tough for Kahr to compete here. Consumers will need a reason to buy a Kahr versus some of the more well known competition.

They do have a true double action revolver-like trigger which, if they keep that, will differentiate them from the others and perhaps appeal to a niche market. If they keep the CM9 the same size as it is today they can also claim it’s the smallest of the high cap micro 9s (but while it may technically be smaller, as a practical matter it really isn’t any smaller than a Sig P365).

Hopefully we’ll see the new Kahr offering soon.

[kenemoore]

A double stack 9mm, may be nice. But.... I still want a K-45. I realize if they use the same frame as the K9/K40, it will most likely be a 5 shot magazine, like the PM45. But...I still want one.

[dao]

I predict it will be a somewhat radical difference than the Kahr's we've come to know and love. I don't think it will look quite so Kahr-ish. Barring that, I'd be happy with just what we see now, but with a slightly thicker grip that will hold 10+1 in 9mm. Justin may just take the world by surprise again, and come up with something that has the magazines tandem stacked, front to back.

[O'Dell]

A double stack 9mm, may be nice. But.... I still want a K-45. I realize if they use the same frame as the K9/K40, it will most likely be a 5 shot magazine, like the PM45. But...I still want one.

And I've been asking for an MK45 for years !!!

[JohnR]

And a T-45!

[Bawanna]

I wanted a K45 but I think the T45 would make even better sense.

[Gatorman]

I have to dissent on the double stack, for a few of reasons: One, as been said, there are plenty of alternative double stacks, from long standing name brands, that Kahr would be hard to find financially viable to try and compete with; Two, they have "put all their eggs onto one basket" and focused on ONE thing- a thin, reliable, innovative, concealed carry pistol and IMO, when folks make only one thing, they tend to be the best in the market at it and Kahr has done that in Aces; Three, I'm in the camp of carrying an extra gun, instead of extra ammo. As a S.O. with the IDPA, I've seen too many catastrophic failures, due to MIMS parts breaking (which is a discussion that brought me here, and I'll address, rather than dredge up an old thread: one poster said there's NO difference between MIMS and forged parts. i beg to differ- that's like saying there's no difference between wood putty and real wood. Another poster said that the slide stop takes no stress. Umm, what? You know the force the bullet has going out the barrel? The recoil? That's the same force the barrel hits the slide stop with, every shot. THAT is the part that breaks the most). SO, in a SHTF, spare ammo won't help a broken gun, but a spare gun will, and i prefer them to be thin and concealable.

[King Rat]

The world has enough double stacks. Trends come and go. A double stack Kahr? Not the least bit interested. All ready own enough. Kahr should walk their own path like they have done. No catering to internet nonsense like super light triggers, short resets etc. Kahr needs to remember and stick to the Flag ship guns. Forget the Double stack and just make a great gun even better. Use the same magazines. I have had a feeling for a long time that the single stacks will come back. I already have.

Here is just one gun to look at as far as features. Not a endorsement, bu look at the take down, the modular Design, the ability to add a back strap. ETC ETC. Make the Kahr easy to work on. Available parts, easy to clean. A new design in the removal of the firing pin. Just make the best Single Stack on the Market.

https://www.savagearms.com/stance

[DavidR]

I agree! Be relentlessly focused on making the best horse drawn carriage on the market.

[JohnR]

Kahe can make both - slim single stacks and chubby doubles.

[Gatorman]

I agree! Be relentlessly focused on making the best horse drawn carriage on the market.
More like wanting back seats in a Lamborghini...

[King Rat]

More like wanting back seats in a Lamborghini...

And that would be the double stack. Or a Harley with a side car. Lol, and you ride around each day with no one in it. But hey, some guys need a double stack. Comes in handy when ya need to shoot and spray or ya just can't hit the side of a barn door. Heck, if you can't get the bad guy with the first shot, you are mostly likely dead anyway.

[getsome]

Guns are like hand tools in that in some situations only one special tool will fit the bill…..My PM9 replaced a S&W 5 shot snub I pocket carried for years and I felt the Kahr was the perfect replacement, I got a slimmer pistol with 2 more rounds without adding felt weight plus I got much better night sights and a perfect revolver long pull trigger I don’t have to worry about going off if I bump my pocket cutting grass or just in general everyday life so to me the PM9 is the perfect gun, decent capacity, light weight, thin, reliable, and most important, safe to pocket carry……

[djd100]

Kahe can make both - slim single stacks and chubby doubles.

The concept would be a thin partial double-stack 9mm, for 10+1 flush in roughly the size of a PM9, for us in restricted states LOL!

[Gatorman]

Kahe can make both - slim single stacks and chubby doubles.

Just 'cause they can, don't mean they should...lol

[FreeMe]

I wanted a K45 but I think the T45 would make even better sense.

Yep. I'd be all over a T45, especially if they make it optics ready. An optics ready K9 slide would also be on my "buy" list.

[DavidR]

The concept would be a thin partial double-stack 9mm, for 10+1 flush in roughly the size of a PM9, for us in restricted states LOL!

Also known as a P365.

[dao]

You bring up a good point Colonel and I'd wager that OR is one of the big changes we'll see.

[Gatorman]

Kahr Firearms Group has Desert Eagle, Thompson, Auto Ordinance, Magnum Research, BFR and Kahr arms. They have double stacks available, Kahrs will stay single, IMO.

[rx7sig]

... just make a great gun even better. Use the same magazines. ...

I agree. My K9 (purchased new in 2018) is a perfect CCW (for me). Still, I wonder if full-length slide rails, like on Sig classic P pistols, would make an already perfect K9 even more perfect (more accurate). What would be the downside?

rx7sig

[King Rat]

I think Kahr should stick with what they got and work on perfecting it, little things, steel flush floorplates. They have other brands to fill the larger gun niches and they do it very well.
I would be on board for a T45 or a K45 though. Singles stack is fine.

Totally agree. The world of "KISS" Keep is Simple Stupid, unfortunately is a dying belief or philosophy is today's world. I have tired to figure out where this come's from. The younger generation wants more all the time, willing to spend money of frivolous junk, exaggerated over the top needs and instant satisfaction (red dots for example). Where does this new belief come form? Video games, living in a avarice country where a 12 yr old can get a $1,000 cell phone, where a adult will upgrade his for the next newest on the market the next year after spending a fortune on the one he has now. Market Cannibalism from greedy manufacturers and of course the Internet ability to influence those that want the most-ness.
Yes, I bought into it, own two Double stacks, nice guns, but actually carry the Kahr CM9 more often. And yes at 15.8 oz and shorter than the Sig 365 does matter. Weight matters for that do care about EDC. Carrying every single day.
Look at the Sig 365, already a Dinosaur when the 365 X Remeo came out. Lol, time to spend more, need it all.

I guess Kahr will have to come out and to beat the competition It will have to have more rounds, red dot ready, the lightest trigger and the shortest reset and God only knows what else they want to throw on it to just get noticed. And after Marketing departments get one year doing what they do, the new Kahr will be a dinosaur as well. Time to upgrade yet again.

For myself, if the Gun Gods came down and said the only gun I could carry would be a 5 shot revolver, it would not bother me one bit. KISS

"Focus on the fast draw and the accuracy, The first shot is the most critical, Yea, you might be lucky to get a second or even a third shot, but do not press your luck".

PS I personally thin the 30 super carry will continue to grow in Popularity. Why? Because you can CRAM more ammo into the magazine. And of course 16 standard rounds is better than 13 (or 14 or whatever is the norm now). Everybody knows this.

[DavidR]

Yes, everybody knows this. Glad you’ve seen the light, finally.

[Bawanna]

Yes, everybody knows this. Glad you’ve seen the light, finally.

I think he see's the switch but I don't think he's seen the light.

[King Rat]

I think he see's the switch but I don't think he's seen the light.

Lol, As I said, I own two Micro 9mm's DOUBLE STACKS including a Sig. And even more light is I own two Red Dots for both. Lol. Yea, I have seen the switch and the light. I just know how to turn off the light when not needed.
Besides, I am waiting for the TRIPLE STACK Sig 365

What can i say, they did not have Video games when I was a kid.

[tokuno]

Lol, As I said, I own two Micro 9mm's DOUBLE STACKS including a Sig. And even more light is I own two Red Dots for both. Lol. Yea, I have seen the switch and the light. I just know how to turn off the light when not needed.
Besides, I am waiting for the TRIPLE STACK Sig 365

What can i say, they did not have Video games when I was a kid.
Lemme save you some money: skip the triple stack, buy the 365 drum mag. Belt feed's still in early dev, so no use waiting on that till next year.

[King Rat]

Lemme save you some money: skip the triple stack, buy the 365 drum mag. Belt feed's still in early dev, so no use waiting on that till next year.

Ya mean they have a drum mag now? Why does that not surprise me. Might come in handy for low flying attack helicopters.

[DavidR]

I think he see's the switch but I don't think he's seen the light.

A tacticool light hanging from that micro 9 would fix that!

PS: all in good fun; lots of options available in carry guns to meet everyones wants/needs

[King Rat]

A tacticool light hanging from that micro 9 would fix that!

PS: all in good fun; lots of options available in carry guns to meet everyones wants/needs

True and may God Bless America.

[DavidR]

True and may God Bless America.

Amen to that!

And thanks for the in depth reviews you do. Your review of the GX4 allowed me to talk a friend into buying one, even though I’ve never even held one.

[Gatorman]

I guess Kahr will have to come out and to beat the competition ,,,,, the lightest trigger and the shortest reset and God only knows what else they want to throw on it to just get noticed. And after Marketing departments get one year doing what they do, the new Kahr will be a dinosaur as well. Time to upgrade yet again.

Kahr has 7 patents, and if you know anything about design patents, they designed a better mousetrap, with a design that's not obvious to ALL the experts in the field, so they already have one up on them all, X 7 times. AND, the heart and soul of the pistols- the gismo that cams the safety off, cocks the striker, and then trips it, all with the pull of the trigger.. That's their claim to fame. The tigger pull and re-set are set.


"Focus on the fast draw and the accuracy, The first shot is the most critical, Yea, you might be lucky to get a second or even a third shot, but do not press your luck".

Ummm some "Force on Force" training will show that that is not true at all. Don't think "shots" think "hits" The number ONE rule is to NOT get hit and MOST of the time, it is NOT the 1st shot. IN fact, plenty of videos of police shoot-outs show that the 1st shots are usually wild shots. IN order of importance: getting off the "X" is MOST important, and if at all possible, have your gun in your hand, prior; #2- KEEP MOViNG- it's harder to get hit when moving. #3-DO NOT MOVE DIRECTLY AT OR AWAY from your opponent. From their perspective, you're not moving- you'll get hit. #4- move in diagonals, preferably at them, to the back hand of their gun hand. That does 2 things: 1) gets them flustered and sometimes they fumble,or freeze, sometimes they actually turn their back to you, all the time they miss. 2) forces them to reset their OODA loop (try to hit a target that's moving to your back hand- it's near impossible). However, YOU are in a position to empty your pistol at them, LONG after the 1st shot.

[King Rat]

Kahr has 7 patents, and the heart and soul of the pistols- the gismo that cams the safety off, cocks the striker, and then trips it. That's their claim to fame.


Ummm some "Force on Force" training will show that that is not true at all. Don't think "shots" think "hits" The number ONE rule is to NOT get hit and MOST of the time, it is NOT the 1st shot. IN fact, plenty of videos of police shoot-outs show that the 1st shots are usually wild shots. IN order of importance: getting off the "X" is MOST important, and if at all possible, have your gun in your hand, prior; #2- KEEP MOViNG- it's harder to get hit when moving. #3-DO NOT MOVE DIRECTLY AT OR AWAY from your opponent. From their perspective, you're not moving- you'll get hit. #4- move in diagonals, preferably at them, to the back hand of their gun hand. That does 2 things: 1) gets them flustered and sometimes they fumble,or freeze, sometimes they actually turn their back to you, all the time they miss. 2) forces them to reset their OODA loop (try to hit a target that's moving to your back hand- it's near impossible). However, YOU are in a position to empty your pistol at them.

Heck, I can't even dance.

[Gatorman]

Heck, I can't even dance.


LOL it's as easy as walking....

[djd100]

Also known as a P365.

BINGO, though with the Kahr DA trigger!

[djd100]

Ummm some "Force on Force" training will show that that is not true at all. Don't think "shots" think "hits" The number ONE rule is to NOT get hit and MOST of the time, it is NOT the 1st shot. IN fact, plenty of videos of police shoot-outs show that the 1st shots are usually wild shots. IN order of importance: getting off the "X" is MOST important, and if at all possible, have your gun in your hand, prior; #2- KEEP MOViNG- it's harder to get hit when moving. #3-DO NOT MOVE DIRECTLY AT OR AWAY from your opponent. From their perspective, you're not moving- you'll get hit. #4- move in diagonals, preferably at them, to the back hand of their gun hand. That does 2 things: 1) gets them flustered and sometimes they fumble,or freeze, sometimes they actually turn their back to you, all the time they miss. 2) forces them to reset their OODA loop (try to hit a target that's moving to your back hand- it's near impossible). However, YOU are in a position to empty your pistol at them, LONG after the 1st shot.

This ^^^!

[King Rat]

Here ya go!

https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/dw/image/v2/BDCK_PRD/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-ctd-master-catalog/default/dw08c8ef05/large/2-sg365x-9-bxr3-rxze.jpg?sw=300&sh=300
SIG Sauer P365X RomeoZero 9mm Luger Semi Auto Pistol $799.00


Personally, I think this is the gun that Kahr will have to beat.

[DavidR]

That’s what I carry, minus the optic. About as tall as a P9 but with a shorter barrel/slide. 12+1. Nice trigger. Pictured with a spare 15 round mag which I rarely carry.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230325/8a0d65d170d54033797c0c4d64ef2316.jpg

28 ounces loaded and holstered
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230325/4c40e45bd5fe31652d13312305764b7b.jpg

[King Rat]

[QUOTE=DavidR;436619]That’s what I carry, minus the optic. About as tall as a P9 but with a shorter barrel/slide. 12+1. Nice trigger. Pictured with a spare 15 round mag which I rarely carry.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230325/8a0d65d170d54033797c0c4d64ef2316.jpg


Obviously a great Pistol. I am trying to equip my son with a series of Firearms . He became a big fan boy of the M17 during his tour in Kurdistan. So I did get him that gun to continue his skills during his time in the service. (He is already talking about volunteering for more deployment and Brandon will give him plenty of chances. (God Forbid). And I just got him a BASIC AR15 Mil Spec. The Sig 365X might be the one I will get for him in the near future for EDC. BUT with the safety which he he would want and trained with. I would get the safety as well, but I am happy with the firearms I do own.
SIG SAUER P365X MANUAL SAFETY

$679.99


My recent purchase of the Beretta APX 1 carry will most likely be with me for life. Not most people's cup of tea, but I love it.

[JohnR]

Plain ol’ CM9, here.

[King Rat]

Plain ol’ CM9, here.

Oh, you can bet my CM's are not going anywhere.

[Bawanna]

When I found out they made a manual safety for the 365, they were out of stock, but after a few months they finally got them in. I modified my Wilson frame to accept the manual safety. I like it so much better with the safety. Easy to install and easy to take out if I ever want to. With the short stroke of the trigger I feel way more better with the safety. Since I'm a devout 1911 guy I have no issue thumbing the safety off. Not as much to grab on the 365 but same principle.

[djd100]

PM9 here, with a tacti-cool LaserMax Laser, weighing in at 21oz fully loaded with extended mag, 8+1 via MagGuts (an oz or two less with the flush fit 7+1 via MagGuts).

Would love a 365 (or the new Kahr equivilent perhaps?), but they're both a pipe dream here in the People's Republik of Kalifornia, unless the BS Handgun Roster gets canned by SCOTUS (we're getting there, but likely still years of appeals etc...).

[getsome]

I love my PM9 in my pocket in a sticky holster because it’s so easy to pull and I can put my hand in my pocket and it looks perfectly normal and nobody pays any attention…..The most important thing to do out in the world is to pay attention to your surroundings and watch everything going on around you like at the gas pumps which is a perfect place for the bad guy to show up wanting money or your vehicle but if you are aware of the predator coming up you are ready and it will most likely be a one shot deal if you see a weapon come out so pull quick and never hesitate…….Shame this world has come to this but it’s truth…….

[yqtszhj]

I love my PM9 in my pocket in a sticky holster because it’s so easy to pull and I can put my hand in my pocket and it looks perfectly normal and nobody pays any attention…..The most important thing to do out in the world is to pay attention to your surroundings and watch everything going on around you like at the gas pumps which is a perfect place for the bad guy to show up wanting money or your vehicle but if you are aware of the predator coming up you are ready and it will most likely be a one shot deal if you see a weapon come out so pull quick and never hesitate…….Shame this world has come to this but it’s truth…….

Which size sticky holster are you using? Been thinking about you ordering one of those since I don’t have a good pocket holster for my cm9 that I like.

[Wlfman13]

The Sticky Holster SM-5 works well for my MK9 and MK40, so it should work well for the CM9.

-Wlf

[Gatorman]

I love my PM9 in my pocket in a sticky holster because it’s so easy to pull and I can put my hand in my pocket and it looks perfectly normal and nobody pays any attention…..The most important thing to do out in the world is to pay attention to your surroundings and watch everything going on around you like at the gas pumps which is a perfect place for the bad guy to show up wanting money or your vehicle but if you are aware of the predator coming up you are ready and it will most likely be a one shot deal if you see a weapon come out so pull quick and never hesitate…….Shame this world has come to this but it’s truth…….

Yep, what I hate is they'll come up all innocent and ask for a cig or directions or something, seemingly innocent, and get in all closely. What I do, is when they get about 15 feet away, say, "Hey man!, DON'T walk up on me like that! I got nuthin'! Go on now. Come any closer, I'm going to consider that hostile." I'll pull the gas nozzle out of the car and stand there pointing it at them. 99 times out of 100, they'll stop, BUT, I've prevented them from controlling the conversation. Now they're on the defensive, "Aww man, I just was gonna ask for a light." "Well I ain't got a light, so go on, NOW." So far, in 64 years, that's all it took.

[berettabone]

Which size sticky holster are you using? Been thinking about you ordering one of those since I don’t have a good pocket holster for my cm9 that I like. I always preferred the Remora. More substantial. My wifey carries her LCP2 in one made for my old MK9. I also use one for my SP101. Gotta keep your firearm juicy in warm weather, they hold the sweat and things can get rusty. Especially ammo.................

[JohnR]

I’d find a better gas station. I’ve been approached once while pumping gas, by a guy with teardrop tattoos. I gave him a harsh look and shook my head “no” and he sought easier pickins. Broad daylight. I usually buy gas at BJs now, cheaper and has an attendant near the pumps.

[King Rat]

I’d find a better gas station. I’ve been approached once while pumping gas, by a guy with teardrop tattoos. I gave him a harsh look and shook my head “no” and he sought easier pickins. Broad daylight. I usually buy gas at BJs now, cheaper and has an attendant near the pumps.

It can happen anywhere. We had a elderly lady killed in a decent area, big shopping center by two of the Usual suspects. Poor thing did not stand a chance. Shot her down like a dog for no reason. (car hijacking, they could have easily taken the car.)

Here is a very sad story that happened at a convenience store not far from where I live. This is a actual picture of a Woman that is about to be killed right in a matter of seconds as she walks in to the store at Christmas time, by two of the usual suspects. Gunned down like a dog.

https://i.imgur.com/zZdWaUO.jpg?3https://i.imgur.com/R2f6XGc.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/bnTfVTq.jpg


This is the America we now live in. It is now a common thing. And the Dems now make them feel more entitled all the time.

[Gatorman]

I’d find a better gas station. I’ve been approached once while pumping gas, by a guy with teardrop tattoos. I gave him a harsh look and shook my head “no” and he sought easier pickins. Broad daylight. I usually buy gas at BJs now, cheaper and has an attendant near the pumps.


I travel around the country working (installing frames and glass into high rises). I don't have the luxury of knowing how "good" a gas station is, in cities across the Country, especially big cities like Atlanta, Mobile, NOLA, Miami, Tampa, Las Vegas, KC, Mo., etc. Plus, I had to deal with that in Japan; the P.I. ,where they'd slit your throat for $10; Okinawa; etc. So I had to have a blanket response, no matter where I was. The Truth is, 99.9% of time, my confrontations have been less than lethal ( NO, you can NOT shoot that baby mama, with 10 kids, from different baby daddies, who just cut line in front of you at wally world and flipped you off; No, you cannot shoot the teens who just drove in with their rap blaring and called you an ahole, etc); so i've been carrying 20 million volts of lightning, as well, and using that vastly more often than a gun,which has been never. Nope, I've never killed anyone in self defense. I HAVE been shot at, 3 times and actually dodged the bullets: The best sound in the world is "BANG, BANG, BANG, CLICK, CLICK,CLICK.. There's a video about a divorce lawyer dodging bullets, from the estranged husband, outside a courthouse, with a tree, between them.

[King Rat]

Here is something I would like to see on a Kahr. This is from Lakeline for the GX4.

https://i.imgur.com/l1CeT1d.jpg

[getsome]

Which size sticky holster are you using? Been thinking about you ordering one of those since I don’t have a good pocket holster for my cm9 that I like.

Sorry guys I’ve been busy this weekend and didn’t check in but if you have a CM/PM Kahr a Sticky holster MD-1 fits like a glove and they hold up well to everyday pocket use….I didn’t like the lime green “Sticky” print on it much but a little brake cleaner on a rag takes it right off and doesn’t damage the material at all…..I’ve tried all kinds of expensive name brand pocket holsters but the Sticky has worked great for me and does what it should, quick smooth draw and doesn’t move in the pocket and the price is right…..Their web site has a chart showing what model fits what gun you have so if you are looking for a good quality pocket holster for your CM/PM or P380 check um out………

[yqtszhj]

Thanks berettabone and getsome.

[187911]

I've been approach many times at gas stations and going in and out of stores. I simply politely tell them I don't have change or cash, and they typically say "okay thanks." If I have spare change, I give it as it's nothing to me. I was born in NYC and currently live in Hampton Roads, VA. Panhandling is common thing to see.

You tase, mace, stab, shoot, or assult someone who simply walked up to talk to you while you're in public, you're going to jail and rightfully so because that's were you belong. They may even have legal justification to use deadly force against you. It is not illegal to walk up to people in public space, and you can not legal tell people were they can or can not walk on public and private property that doesn't belong to you.

[187911]

I'd like to see Kahr release an aluminum frame series with staggered stack mags in 9mm, 45acp, and 10mm. If they could do it in DA/SA, that could be a hit too.

A double or staggered stack polymer frame Glock clone in the endless sea of more popular and established pistols that are simular is NOT going to sell well for Kahr.

[King Rat]

I'd like to see Kahr release an aluminum frame series with staggered stack mags in 9mm, 45acp, and 10mm. If they could do it in DA/SA, that could be a hit too.

A double or staggered stack polymer frame Glock clone in the endless sea of more popular and established pistols that are simular is NOT going to sell well for Kahr.

Agree that just another double stack is going to do nothing in the Sea of new Double stacks. Lol, Can't even keep of with them now. What is fun, interesting or amusing about this thread, is just having a good time using your imagination of just what the heck they ARE going to do, make the gun unique and a stand out? Has Justin Moon all along been planning this the whole time, most thought he was stagnant? I think it could go either way, a huge success or huge flop. Place your bets Gentlemen.

[dao]

I've been approach many times at gas stations and going in and out of stores. I simply politely tell them I don't have change or cash, and they typically say "okay thanks." If I have spare change, I give it as it's nothing to me. I was born in NYC and currently live in Hampton Roads, VA. Panhandling is common thing to see.

You tase, mace, stab, shoot, or assult someone who simply walked up to talk to you while you're in public, you're going to jail and rightfully so because that's were you belong. They may even have legal justification to use deadly force against you. It is not illegal to walk up to people in public space, and you can not legal tell people were they can or can not walk on public and private property that doesn't belong to you.

Your statements are true, and make sense. However there are times when it turns out badly. Therefore one should remain vigilant. A while back in my area a father was putting gas in his van and was approached by an unstable male who asked for a light. The father gave him one and the man proceded to stab the father to death in front of his daughter. Then calmly walked into the attached convenience store to make purchases. You just never know, and so it's a good practice to be prepared for the worst.

[187911]

Your statements are true, and make sense. However there are times when it turns out badly. Therefore one should remain vigilant. A while back in my area a father was putting gas in his van and was approached by an unstable male who asked for a light. The father gave him one and the man proceded to stab the father to death in front of his daughter. Then calmly walked into the attached convenience store to make purchases. You just never know, and so it's a good practice to be prepared for the worst.

I mean there's an anecdotal examples of any and everything including people being abruptly killed by family members and even spouses, and they never seen it coming. I see nothing wrong with being prepared for the worse, but I don't go into DEFCON 1 over someone simply approaching me to ask a question or for a favor. Even I had to approach random strangers for a jump and even once to use their phone to make a phone call when I was stranded once.

I guess being from and living in very populated areas gives me a different outlook than people who aren't use to it.

[187911]

Agree that just another double stack is going to do nothing in the Sea of new Double stacks. Lol, Can't even keep of with them now. What is fun, interesting or amusing about this thread, is just having a good time using your imagination of just what the heck they ARE going to do, make the gun unique and a stand out? Has Justin Moon all along been planning this the whole time, most thought he was stagnant? I think it could go either way, a huge success or huge flop. Place your bets Gentlemen.



Kahr only sells a few thousand at the low end of guns per year, and have been basically selling the same guns with little to no updates since 1994 and 2004 respectively while the rest of the world has moved on. I don't believe Justin Moon really cares all that much about the Kahr line in comparison to the other companies the Kahr Group acquired. Kahr Group makes more money off of selling rifles, 1911s, and Desert Eagles than the pennies they get from selling Kahrs. The sales numbers for the Kahr line have been falling with each passing year of no updates or improvements.

I love Kahr handguns, but even I purchased all but one of mine used because they aren't worth the MSRP to me, and the resale price on Kahrs are extremely low for everything except the T9. I only purchased my K40 NIB because it was on sale for $300. I, like most, aren't going to spend $500+ on a polymer Kahr or $600+ on the steel frame ones outside of the T9 and T40.

[dao]

I mean there's an anecdotal examples of any and everything including people being abruptly killed by family members and even spouses, and they never seen it coming. I see nothing wrong with being prepared for the worse, but I don't go into DEFCON 1 over someone simply approaching me to ask a question or for a favor. Even I had to approach random strangers for a jump and even once to use their phone to make a phone call when I was stranded once.

I guess being from and living in very populated areas gives me a different outlook than people who aren't use to it.

Well, there are right ways to approach a stranger, and wrong ways. For example if someone approaches with their hand or hands in their pockets or behind their back then it would be wise to be ready. Same goes if someone else's actions just cause your spidey senses to tingle. Being able to read people is very useful when being in close proximity to strangers. We don't have to be in DEFCON 1, you're right. But then again there's nothing wrong with doing so, so long as it's not obvious to others. Easier to stand down than it is to come to attention a second behind the curve.

[FreeMe]

Here is something I would like to see on a Kahr. This is from Lakeline for the GX4.

https://i.imgur.com/l1CeT1d.jpg

What is that?

[FreeMe]

I love Kahr handguns, but even I purchased all but one of mine used because they aren't worth the MSRP to me, and the resale price on Kahrs are extremely low for everything except the T9. I only purchased my K40 NIB because it was on sale for $300. I, like most, aren't going to spend $500+ on a polymer Kahr or $600+ on the steel frame ones outside of the T9 and T40.

Yep... Me too. Bought my first Kahr when they were so new that none had hit the used market, and they were actually still reasonably priced (probably due to being an upstart). Wouldn't pay anywhere near retail for any of them now. Make the current K9 rds ready, and I'm in. No other changes needed, but an aluminum frame would be icing on the cake. Yeah, they could do something with the mags, but making the steel base plates available again would be enough for me.

[King Rat]

Kahr only sells a few thousand at the low end of guns per year, and have been basically selling the same guns with little to no updates since 1994 and 2004 respectively while the rest of the world has moved on. I don't believe Justin Moon really cares all that much about the Kahr line in comparison to the other companies the Kahr Group acquired. Kahr Group makes more money off of selling rifles, 1911s, and Desert Eagles than the pennies they get from selling Kahrs. The sales numbers for the Kahr line have been falling with each passing year of no updates or improvements.

I love Kahr handguns, but even I purchased all but one of mine used because they aren't worth the MSRP to me, and the resale price on Kahrs are extremely low for everything except the T9. I only purchased my K40 NIB because it was on sale for $300. I, like most, aren't going to spend $500+ on a polymer Kahr or $600+ on the steel frame ones outside of the T9 and T40.

I agree with you on some of your points. I have gotten to the where that I really do not care what the public (internet) wants. Nor do I care that much about resale value. Just do not sell my guns. The only one I did get rid of was a gun that had a trigger that was too light and after shooting it frequently, it became way too light and I actually traded it for a used CM9 at my LGS.

I do agree with you that the MSRP is way too high. I think my days of owning Kahr's are over and happy with what I do have. We live in new times. New and better metals, more sophisticated technology for manufacturing, etc. We are seeing budget guns that are actually very good Quality for as much as half the price of some of the name brands.

One is the Taurus GX4. It has proved to me, with now over 1500 rounds to be one the best deals I have made on a firearm. And one fact, it is insanely reliable. And tearing the gun down you can see a lot of quality went into the gun. It shoots great, fantastic grip etc. But there are many others costing less as well and showing good performance. (I just ordered a Spare Slide complete with all parts minus the recoil spring and barrel for only $129 and it is cerakoted.


https://i.imgur.com/hNxM8lx.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/ZLGDjdD.jpg

I have never been a Glock fan. Great guns, but never a good fit for myself. I have tried to like them over and over, but just not me. And I always get a finger blister from shooting them.
In comes PSA and the Dagger, and I truly believe it to be a better Mouse Trap. And look at the cost difference. I shoot it much better with the different grip design and no blister.
It will be interesting to see the "New Kahr". Not sure what they can do at this point with the competition, but maybe they will built a nice gun and totally affordable Price.

This Package with 10 magazines is only $349.00

https://i.imgur.com/JQc4VPU.jpg

[Barth]

Bought my MK40 Elite as a pocket gun.
Got a DeSantis Nemesis holster for it.
I love that gun, but find it too heavy for pocket carry.
Mostly ankle or belt with that gun.

My favorite pocket pistol these days (in my pocket as I type).
Ruger LC9s Pro with a Crimson Trace laser.
Carried in a DeSantis Superfly holster.
Loaded with Federal 150 gr Micro HST.
https://i.imgur.com/psn54Gd.jpg?1

[berettabone]

Thanks berettabone and getsome. FYI.........Remora has a sale going on right now. Spend $27.95 and get another free holster with or without sweat shield.

[dao]

^^^ :amflag:

[King Rat]

FYI.........Remora has a sale going on right now. Spend $27.95 and get another free holster with or without sweat shield.

Got that deal last month. Man, I own a lot of Remora's.

[yqtszhj]

FYI.........Remora has a sale going on right now. Spend $27.95 and get another free holster with or without sweat shield.

Thanks for that info. That’s a good deal.

[King Rat]

deleted-could not get smaller pictures. Way too large and annoying. Sorry.

[King Rat]

Looking at all the new guns and which way the Market is going. Here is another gun that Kahr will have to beat or one that I think will be a big hit for sales. The 380 trend of bigger guns is totally boring. The Glock 28 is so boring enough to cause brain damage. Who knows, maybe Kahr will follow the ridiculous trend. (Which will last untill people get tired of carrying a bigger 380)

So again here is what I believe will be a huge success if reliable.

The PSA Micro Compact.

Product Details Details Model: Palmetto Dagger Micro
Caliber: 9mm
Action: Striker Fired
Weight: 15.5oz (unloaded)
Overall Length: 6.5"
Overall Width: 1.1"
Overall Height: 4.7" (Without Mag)
Barrel Length: 3.41"
Barrel Material: Stainless Steel
Barrel Finish: DLC Coating
Twist Rate: SAAMI Spec 1:10
Slide Material: Stainless Steel
Slide Finish: DLC Coating
Frame: Polymer
Front Sight: White Dot Day Sight
Rear Sight: White Two Dot Day Sight
Safety: Striker Block Safety & Trigger Safety
Magazine: Comes with One (1) 15rd Magazine
Optics Mount: Shield Cut


Again, only 15oz and a 15 round magazine. Shield RMR Cut.

And you can bet they will have all kinds of configurations.

https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-dagger-micro-9mm-pistol-shield-cut-w-holosun-407k-black-dlc.html

[JohnR]

I wouldn’t mind a bigger .380 for recreational fun. It would be kind of like .32. Sorta useful, light recoil, and fun in a bigger heavier gun. But with .380 being higher priced than 9mm, it’s just pointless.

[berettabone]

Beretta 84F is a nice heavy .380. Wish I never would have sold mine.

[King Rat]

I wouldn’t mind a bigger .380 for recreational fun. It would be kind of like .32. Sorta useful, light recoil, and fun in a bigger heavier gun. But with .380 being higher priced than 9mm, it’s just pointless.

For myself, if just for fun, it would be a 22.cal over the 380. I can understand the bigger 380's for someone that just cannot shoot a 9mm. Just see no practical use for that caliber in a larger Mico or bigger firearm. But they sure are coming out with them. Beretta, Sig, Smith and on and on. And on the flip side, the 380. seems to have a new popularity and improving all the time.
I think Kahr's new soon to release 9mm will be similar to the PSA. Light weight at only 15 ounces, it will charge up the internet crowd with 15 rds of super high capacity and again have a Cut for a Red Dot. Front and rear aggressive serrations, more aggressive grip texture, a NEW recoil spring and easier racking while maintaining the same Kahr trigger and quality. JMO, Maybe even a choice of Back Straps.

[JohnR]

I choose .22 for the same reason.

I’m guessing the new Kahr will be a revolver.

Just kidding!

[King Rat]

I choose .22 for the same reason.

I’m guessing the new Kahr will be a revolver.

Just kidding!

Actually a Kahr Snubbie would be kind of Cool. A nice Kahr quality snub nose with a smooth Kahr trigger. (the Interneter's would laugh their pants off, but hey! I would love one.)

[berettabone]

I've been keeping my eyes on the Beretta APX and the Savage Stance. Prices seem to be reasonable. Just don't know if I can deal with the triggers. I'm used to a revolver trigger, but that's with some work done.

[King Rat]

I've been keeping my eyes on the Beretta APX and the Savage Stance. Prices seem to be reasonable. Just don't know if I can deal with the triggers. I'm used to a revolver trigger, but that's with some work done.

I do not want to post too much about the Beretta APX A1 carry as I am a dedicated Fan Boy. The most recent model is better yet. I will say of all the Micro's out there, this is the one that every thing comes together for myself. It is the one gun I will not get rid of and is my number one choice for my personal carry. I carry with the 8 Plus 1 magazine for the perfect fit.
All I can say is try the newer trigger and at least shoot the gun.

A few times a year Lock and Loaded will have a crazy sale. I picked up the Beretta for this insane price below. In reality, this is the last gun I plan on buying other than if they have the sale again, I will pick up one more as I like it that much.

IMPROVED TRIGGER PULL With a shorter and lighter trigger than its predecessors, the enhanced ergonomic and sensory experience consists of a clean break with quick reset aiding with consistent shot placement and ease of use.





























Product Code
UPC
Description
Quantity
Price
Extended



GJAXN927A1
082442943091 (https://lockedloaded.com/product/beretta-apx-a1-carry-9mm-3-fs-8-shot-od-green-optic-ready)
BERETTA APX A1 CARRY 9MM 3" FS 8-SHOT OD GREEN OPTIC READY





1
$239.99
$239.99

[King Rat]

I've been keeping my eyes on the Beretta APX and the Savage Stance. Prices seem to be reasonable. Just don't know if I can deal with the triggers. I'm used to a revolver trigger, but that's with some work done.

The Stance is a excellent firearm. Not only a nice shooter but I really like the way they did the serrations, good balance. They also have the rounded trigger like the Kahr and additional back straps. I did not know this but Savage had bought out the "Honor Guard company" and enhanced their product, thus the Stance. I am looking into this gun for my son. Reason, after shooting the Sig 320 so often he has said that he actually like a frame safety and the Stance offers one. Just another offering in todays many firearms.

And excellent low prices on these firearms.

https://www.savagearms.com/content?p=firearms&a=product_summary&s=67000

[187911]

I've been keeping my eyes on the Beretta APX and the Savage Stance. Prices seem to be reasonable. Just don't know if I can deal with the triggers. I'm used to a revolver trigger, but that's with some work done.
The orginal is my go too pistol if I had to grab one for duty, war, a gun fight, SHTF, etc. It has weight to it, it's over built, extremely robust, and well thought out.

In the era of gun owners prioritizing bring pretty and tactical looking, weight, and size, the APX gets overlooked and noses thumbed at it even though it's a superior pistol than a lot of others IMHO. It wasn't manufactured with civilian carry in mind but rather for military usage.

I've heard of striker-fire and SAO guys whining about DAO and DA/SA triggers, but I can't say I've ever heard or seen someone who is good with DAO triggers ever have a problem transitioning to striker-fire triggers. You shouldn't have a problem IMHO.


https://youtu.be/pGsYXcrW9Oc

https://i.imgur.com/3RyTKgw.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/mnUOGPl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/kGQGzKo.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/7pUEfT5.jpg

[King Rat]

The orginal is my go too pistol if I had to grab one for duty, war, a gun fight, SHTF, etc. It has weight to it, it's over built, extremely robust, and well thought out.

In the era of gun owners prioritizing bring pretty and tactical looking, weight, and size, the APX gets overlooked and noses thumbed at it even though it's a superior pistol than a lot of others IMHO. It wasn't manufactured with civilian carry in mind but rather for military usage.

I've heard of striker-fire and SAO guys whining about DAO and DA/SA triggers, but I can't say I've ever heard or seen someone who is good with DAO triggers ever have a problem transitioning to striker-fire triggers. You shouldn't have a problem IMHO.


https://youtu.be/pGsYXcrW9Oc

https://i.imgur.com/3RyTKgw.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/mnUOGPl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/kGQGzKo.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/7pUEfT5.jpg

Could not agree more. Seriously under rated! Top quality in every regard.

[berettabone]

I sure wish they made the compact in .40 cal.

[FreeMe]

The Stance is a excellent firearm. Not only a nice shooter but I really like the way they did the serrations, good balance. They also have the rounded trigger like the Kahr and additional back straps. I did not know this but Savage had bought out the "Honor Guard company" and enhanced their product, thus the Stance. I am looking into this gun for my son. Reason, after shooting the Sig 320 so often he has said that he actually like a frame safety and the Stance offers one. Just another offering in todays many firearms.

And excellent low prices on these firearms.

https://www.savagearms.com/content?p=firearms&a=product_summary&s=67000

That Savage would be interesting to me if it didn't have all those holes in the slide. They look cool, but that's too many "entrances" for my taste in a defensive pistol.

[DavidR]

That Savage would be interesting to me if it didn't have all those holes in the slide. They look cool, but that's too many "entrances" for my taste in a defensive pistol.

I haven’t handled one but I think they’re the same size as the Shield Plus with way less capacity. The Shield Plus is a seriously good gun.

13+1 and very concealable.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230410/092d487dc259ff4d7e8c1482ec0ddb58.jpg

[Barth]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/t1LR24DQjXs/maxresdefault.jpg

[yqtszhj]

Are they selling that H&K in the USA yet? I saw that TFB video about it and it seemed interesting.

[King Rat]

Are they selling that H&K in the USA yet? I saw that TFB video about it and it seemed interesting.

From what I understand, and I may be wrong, they are only selling them to the German Police. It looks like this gun is now the one Kahr will have to compete with. I like the fact that you can choose between two triggers, one light, one heavier. And the thing I really believe is a asset is the ability to change out back straps. This gun will have 5 to choose from. I wonder what the "Wings" look like to assist racking?

It would take me a couple of months just to figure out what magazine release I wanted.

Features of the SFP9CC include:



SF or TR trigger. SF pull/reset is listed as similar to the VP9 with the TR heavier/longer.
Five backstrap sizes so the gun can be fit more precisely to the shooter’s hands.
Two magazine baseplates, flush and extended for a pinky rest.
Three possible magazine release options: paddle, button, heel release.
Charging support “ears” are available if desired to facilitate racking the slide.
Optics cut is available for those who want an optics-ready pistol.

[berettabone]

Being an HK person, I didn't need to see this.................:)

[187911]

Are they selling that H&K in the USA yet? I saw that TFB video about it and it seemed interesting.
They stated 4th quarter 2023, but might be whenever in 2024. Here's a copy/paste of my HKPro post:


Here's what I gathered so far...

Modular chassis system.
Options of having the superior paddle mag release (IMHO), going with the U.S. style button release, or a "heel" magazine release (3 different options in total).
There will be two trigger variations deemed the "SF²⁴" and "TR²⁵" trigger. The SF²⁴ will have a lighter trigger and shorter travel and reset.
Two frame modes: "Standard" and "Shape." Standard mode will be fully ambitious with controls on both sides. "Shape" will be streamlined and optimized for snag free carry with contoured one-sided controls.
Flush fit for deep concealment or magazines with a pinky extension a full grip.
Interchangeable backstraps (no need to go the asinine Sig P365 and P320 route by having to buy an entire new frame module to get a grip that fits your hand). The option for a beavertail will be built into the backstrap. 6 options for back straps in total. Small, Medium, and Large with and without a beavertail.
Factory rail or no rail frame modules on a micro.
Rear cocking indicator
Cocking assist tabs.
It's also has similar dimensions to the P365 and Hellcat.
HK states they plan on sending some SFP9CC's to the German Teir 1 Special Forces for even more testing, evaluation, and it will mostly be issued as a BUG.


P365:
Length: 5.8"
Width: 1"
Height: 4.3"
Weight: 17.6 oz (w/o mag)
Weight: 18.6 oz (with mag)
Trigger: 6 lb

SFP9CC:
Length: 6.02" (on beavertail version only. Shorter w/o beavertail backstrap.)
Width: 1.14" @ cocking tabs; .93" @ slide
Height: 4.1" (from top of iron sights to flush mag)
Weight: 17.28 oz (w/o mag)
Weight: 19.40 oz (10 rounds loaded)
Trigger: 5.6 lb (unsure which trigger type this is)

SHIELD-PLUS:
Length: 6.1"
Width: 1.1" (0.94 without controls)
Height: 4.6"
Weight: 20.2 oz (unloaded 10-round mag)
Weight: 26 oz (loaded)
Trigger: ~5.5 lb

[King Rat]

Kahr CM9 winner in concealment at present

Length 5.42
Width .09
Height 4.0
Weight 15.9 unloaded magazine



















P365:
Length: 5.8"
Width: 1"
Height: 4.3"
Weight: 17.6 oz (w/o mag)
Weight: 18.6 oz (with mag)
Trigger: 6 lb

SFP9CC:
Length: 6.02" (on beavertail version only. Shorter w/o beavertail backstrap.)
Width: 1.14" @ cocking tabs; .93" @ slide
Height: 4.1" (from top of iron sights to flush mag)
Weight: 17.28 oz (w/o mag)
Weight: 19.40 oz (10 rounds loaded)
Trigger: 5.6 lb (unsure which trigger type this is)

SHIELD-PLUS:
Length: 6.1"
Width: 1.1" (0.94 without controls)
Height: 4.6"
Weight: 20.2 oz (unloaded 10-round mag)
Weight: 26 oz (loaded)
Trigger: ~5.5 lb

[187911]

Kahr CM9 winner in concealment at present
Length 5.42
Width .09
Height 4.0
Weight 15.9 unloaded magazine

Yea but the overwhelming number of gun owners see it as being obsolete because it only holds 6+1 standard. Single stacks 9mm's are kind of out and the mirco/hybrids are what people want nowadays which is part of the reason why Kahr's sales numbers are extremely low. All Kahr would need to do is make the grip a tag thicker at approximately 1" and change the mag capacity.

[King Rat]

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[187911]

...

[JohnR]

Is this the fifth time this thread has gone full circle, or the sixth? :D

[King Rat]

Is this the fifth time this thread has gone full circle, or the sixth? :D

I will delete my post for you. My bad. To be very honest, I really do not give a hoot what Kahr does.

[berettabone]

There doesn't seem to be too many holster options at present for the APX.............

[187911]

There doesn't seem to be too many holster options at present for the APX.............

Tier1, Concealment Express, WeThePeopleHolsters, Dara Holsters, Muddy River Tactical, Vedder Holsters, StealthGearUSA, AlienGear, Clinger Holsters, N8Tactical,, Multiholsters, PJ Holsters, SafariLand, Comp-Tac, BlackScorpionGear just to name only of few of the top kydex holster makers.

For leather: The Southern Trapper, Wright Leather Works, Nelson's Holsters*, Falcon Holsters, Craft Holsters, AlienGear Holsters, Crossbreed Holsters, Urban Carry: LockLeather Holster, DeSantis Holsters, Tagua Gun Leather, MTR Custom Leather, Diamond D Custom Leather Holsters, Swordslinger Custom Holsterser, Kramer Leather, Tucker Gun Leather, Simply Rugged, Kusiak Leather, and BerettaUSA has several....

They are for the original APX at least. Not sure about the A1.

[yqtszhj]

Gimme the H&K with paddle mag release, heavier trigger, and no rail. Throw in some real night sights too (not those light um with a flashlight luminous type.)

[DavidR]

Kahr CM9 winner in concealment at present

Length 5.42
Width .09
Height 4.0
Weight 15.9 unloaded magazine



















P365:
Length: 5.8"
Width: 1"
Height: 4.3"
Weight: 17.6 oz (w/o mag)
Weight: 18.6 oz (with mag)
Trigger: 6 lb

SFP9CC:
Length: 6.02" (on beavertail version only. Shorter w/o beavertail backstrap.)
Width: 1.14" @ cocking tabs; .93" @ slide
Height: 4.1" (from top of iron sights to flush mag)
Weight: 17.28 oz (w/o mag)
Weight: 19.40 oz (10 rounds loaded)
Trigger: 5.6 lb (unsure which trigger type this is)

SHIELD-PLUS:
Length: 6.1"
Width: 1.1" (0.94 without controls)
Height: 4.6"
Weight: 20.2 oz (unloaded 10-round mag)
Weight: 26 oz (loaded)
Trigger: ~5.5 lb

This is technically correct but when I owned both the CM9 and P365, as a practical matter, there was no difference at all in concealment or comfort. The P365 is for all intents and purposes the same size as the CM9.

[187911]

This is technically correct but when I owned both the CM9 and P365, as a practical matter, there was no difference at all in concealment or comfort. The P365 is for all intents and purposes the same size as the CM9.

Yup... My MK9 is smaller than the CM9/PM9. Yes, it weighs more, but my Hellcat can conceal just as well and fill all the same roles. The size difference is negotiable for concealment.

[King Rat]

Want to use some money to calculate an ounce. In that case, find 10 pennies, and you’ll have the perfect weight. If you’ve been collecting change in a jar, you can probably look there for 10 pennies. Or use 5 quarters. Yes, ounces do matter. And in a firearm they can add up quick.

[JohnR]

I will delete my post for you. My bad. To be very honest, I really do not give a hoot what Kahr does.
Don't mind me, I'm just the peanut gallery.

[berettabone]

Tier1, Concealment Express, WeThePeopleHolsters, Dara Holsters, Muddy River Tactical, Vedder Holsters, StealthGearUSA, AlienGear, Clinger Holsters, N8Tactical,, Multiholsters, PJ Holsters, SafariLand, Comp-Tac, BlackScorpionGear just to name only of few of the top kydex holster makers.

For leather: The Southern Trapper, Wright Leather Works, Nelson's Holsters*, Falcon Holsters, Craft Holsters, AlienGear Holsters, Crossbreed Holsters, Urban Carry: LockLeather Holster, DeSantis Holsters, Tagua Gun Leather, MTR Custom Leather, Diamond D Custom Leather Holsters, Swordslinger Custom Holsterser, Kramer Leather, Tucker Gun Leather, Simply Rugged, Kusiak Leather, and BerettaUSA has several....

They are for the original APX at least. Not sure about the A1. I'm familiar with most of the makers you posted. I was hoping for a Yaqui type or a Jit type holster. I read that Desantis has 12 new holsters for the APX but on their site they only have 2 for the compact. I would get a Remora but would like something for the belt in leather. Guess I'd have to wait for makers to catch up, but you would think they'd be in production seeing that the gun has been out for quite a while now.

[King Rat]

Don't mind me, I'm just the peanut gallery.

That is ok, I was boring my own self. Needed to be deleted.

[187911]

I'm familiar with most of the makers you posted. I was hoping for a Yaqui type or a Jit type holster. I read that Desantis has 12 new holsters for the APX but on their site they only have 2 for the compact. I would get a Remora but would like something for the belt in leather. Guess I'd have to wait for makers to catch up, but you would think they'd be in production seeing that the gun has been out for quite a while now.

Falco Holsters has the type of minimalist holster you seek. I'm sure I could find more. Click the "PRODUCT CONFIGURATION" button, and you can customize the holster as you like. They have "Premium" and less expensive "Classic" version. It's a made to order holster. I've ordered from them before. I believe they always have coupon code to get the price a little lower than what's displayed.

Falco Bobcat (https://www.falcoholsters.com/quick-draw-slim-owb-leather-holster-c131-bobcat?variant=957)
19853
19854

Falco Caiman (https://www.falcoholsters.com/quick-draw-owb-leather-belt-holster-with-adjustable-retention-c132-caiman?variant=961)
19851
19852

[King Rat]

Good God in Heaven!
Here is another one. Micro 9mm New Reflex

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/fn-announces-the-new-reflex-and-reflex-mrd-micro-compact-concealed-carry-pistols/

[187911]

Good God in Heaven!
Here is another one. Micro 9mm New Reflex

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/fn-announces-the-new-reflex-and-reflex-mrd-micro-compact-concealed-carry-pistols/

Haha told you manufacturers and the firearm community as a whole are moving away from single stack 9mm's. I'll be surprised if Kahr's sales numbers aren't around or below only 10k for 2022 and 2023 respectively.

[King Rat]

Haha told you manufacturers and the firearm community as a whole are moving away from single stack 9mm's.

Yep, gotta laugh, they figured out that they need " reoccurring revenue". Once people purchase a firearm, marketing comes up with a new way to sell them something else they do not need in the first place. Once the public goes and buys the new product they do not need or use, marketing will come up with something else. God only knows what! And as we know, your are a dead man walking without a Red Dot. Don't go to the mall without one!

PS and Practice the Dickens Drill daily.

[187911]

Yep, gotta laugh, they figured out that they need " reoccurring revenue". Once people purchase a firearm, marketing comes up with a new way to sell them something else they do not need in the first place. Once the public goes and buys the new product they do not need or use, marketing will come up with something else. God only knows what! And as we know, your are a dead man walking without a Red Dot. Don't go to the mall without one!

PS and Practice the Dickens Drill daily.

I think it's just that everyone is obsessed with having more and more capacity else they think they'll die in a gun fight with only 5 to 8 rounds of 9mm. They're even putting those aftermarket +1 or +2 magazine extensions on their P365s and the like.

[King Rat]

I think it's just that everyone is obsessed with having more and more capacity else they think they'll die in a gun fight with only 5 to 8 rounds of 9mm. They're even putting those aftermarket +1 or +2 magazine extensions on their P365s and the like.

I agree and trying to see how the gun manufactures can increase profits. Something I do not blame them for, and trying to put myself in Marketing. Red Dots are electronics and of course there is profit to be made in the sales. SCCY seems to have figured out to actually sell a red dot with a Pistol. Now some manufactures are placing them on the pistol to sell as one unit. Twice the Profit. One for the gun, one for the Red Dot. They now can also sell more magazines. More extensions for those magazines. And of course Red Dots being a electronic device, they will continue to be upgraded and replaced. It is very interesting to see where all of this is going. Where will the Red Dot go? Lol, 4k? Will they be built into the gun? A ballistics computer in the red dot like high end sniper scopes?

As Tony Montana is quoted "The World is like one great big ****** just waiting to get _____? I want the world Chico and everything that in it." The gun manufactures are thinking BIG and ya can't blame them for that. And nothing sells better than "Fear".

Sell the Sizzle NOT the Steak.

[DavidR]

I think I get it. It was okay when Kahr innovated in 1999 and came up with a slim single stack for concealed carry, even though given the availability of revolvers it was completely unnecessary and just marketing hype to sell guns to ignorant people who wanted more and better stuff.

However, it’s not okay when others innovate further and develop similar pistols with more capacity, different triggers and optics capability.

Got it.

[King Rat]

I think I get it. It was okay when Kahr innovated in 1999 and came up with a slim single stack for concealed carry, even though given the availability of revolvers it was completely unnecessary and just marketing hype to sell guns to ignorant people who wanted more and better stuff.

However, it’s not okay when others innovate further and develop similar pistols with more capacity, different triggers and optics capability.

Got it.

Relax, it's OK, Everything is fine. Innovation is great. No one is coming to take away your Red Dot. I promise. (Your gun maybe, but not your Red Dot) Heck, I just put one of them contraptions on a shotgun. Them dang fool Turkeys are in big trouble now.

[DavidR]

Relax, it's OK, Everything is fine. Innovation is great. No one is coming to take away your Red Dot. I promise. (Your gun maybe, but not your Red Dot) Heck, I just put one of them contraptions on a shotgun. Them dang fool Turkeys are in big trouble now.

I’ll sleep better knowing you’re okay with innovation.

[King Rat]

I’ll sleep better knowing you’re okay with innovation.

Good, drink a glass of milk, get a good night's sleep. Tomorrow get up put your boots on and get to the range. All the innovation in the world is not going to take the place of good ole fashion training.

[DavidR]

Good, drink a glass of milk, get a good night's sleep. Tomorrow get up put your boots on and get to the range. All the innovation in the world is not going to take the place of good ole fashion training.

Thanks. Don’t know what I’d do if you weren’t there to give me advice.

[187911]

:popcorn:

[King Rat]

The Kahr 30 SUPER CARRY! Why not?

More Rounds
"The 30 Super Carry's slimmed-down dimensions result in a simple physical truth. A magazine the size of your standard 9mm Luger pistol's will carry additional rounds — two more in initially available handgun models. You get the proven power of a 9mm Luger with added capacity that can make all the difference in a real-world self-defense scenario."


https://www.federalpremium.com/dw/image/v2/BDBJ_PRD/on/demandware.static/-/Library-Sites-VistaFederalSharedLibrary/default/dw68bc6659/images/30SuperCarry/benefits_3.png?sw=300Maybe, Just maybe Kahr could keep the same slim design? The trend is moving away from the smaller 380's toward bigger sizes. This could meet in the middle.

Size Matters

The cartridge uses a .312-inch bullet. This narrower diameter allows for two to three additional 30 Super Carry (https://www.federalpremium.com/handgun/?prefn1=caliber&prefv1=30%20Super%20Carry) rounds in the magazine in initially available handguns. Pistols chambered in 30 Super Carry (https://www.federalpremium.com/handgun/?prefn1=caliber&prefv1=30%20Super%20Carry) and built using cartridge-specific frames (as opposed to existing 9mm Luger frames) will maximize capacity while maintaining a narrower and shorter grip than 9mm pistols for easier concealability.
Performance

Why Now?

Much of the current ammunition demand is coming from America’s more than 12 million new gun owners, with 2020 and 2021 being the top years for gun sales on record. Many of those newcomers are looking for a self-defense pistol and the 30 Super Carry (https://www.federalpremium.com/handgun/?prefn1=caliber&prefv1=30%20Super%20Carry) is an ideal choice, especially since it could be built on smaller, lighter pistol frames than 9mm without generating recoil or muzzle blast at levels that might intimidate new shooters.
Next, 30 Super Carry (https://www.federalpremium.com/handgun/?prefn1=caliber&prefv1=30%20Super%20Carry)’s introduction is truly unique. While most new cartridges initially struggle with availability before production catches up with growing demand, 30 Super Carry (https://www.federalpremium.com/handgun/?prefn1=caliber&prefv1=30%20Super%20Carry) will hit the ground running with not only loads from Federal but also sister brands Speer, Blazer and Remington. In fact, it’s the first time in history so many manufacturers have offered loads for a new cartridge on Day 1.

***HST and Gold Dot are already out and reasonable price.

https://www.federalpremium.com/30supercarry/compact-goes-big.html

[getsome]

The .30 Super Carry is a very interesting round and I would love a 10 round PM sized Kahr pistol in that caliber but it ain’t happening, sorry but at this time Kahr isn’t going to invest in the capital it would take to find a manufacturer of polymer frames and magazines to bring it to market but it sounds cool enough…….I really wish Kahr would have kept up with the times but it’s just not going to happen so I’m happy that I found a great shooting little PM9 and will just have to make do with 7 rounds to solve any problems I might walk into……..

[King Rat]

The .30 Super Carry is a very interesting round and I would love a 10 round PM sized Kahr pistol in that caliber but it ain’t happening, sorry but at this time Kahr isn’t going to invest in the capital it would take to find a manufacturer of polymer frames and magazines to bring it to market but it sounds cool enough…….I really wish Kahr would have kept up with the times but it’s just not going to happen so I’m happy that I found a great shooting little PM9 and will just have to make do with 7 rounds to solve any problems I might walk into……..

10 rds would not satisfy the High Capacitors. Remember the Kahr Guy (Firearms Guy) said something great is coming!. Also remember PSA is coming out with a 15 ounce/15 round 9mm Micro.
Kahr is going to need 16 rounds to get any notice. Kahr could call it THE CAPACITOR!


I believe the Cartridge is the future in EDC. Right now only two companies sell a pistol in that caliber the Smith and Wesson Shield Plus and the Prestigious NightHawk Custom.
(look at that magazine in the Picture below and how slim it is. These beauties hold 12 rds.
https://i.imgur.com/z46tJLC.jpg

[JohnR]

Good God in Heaven!
Here is another one. Micro 9mm New Reflex

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/fn-announces-the-new-reflex-and-reflex-mrd-micro-compact-concealed-carry-pistols/
Internal hammer, nice!

[berettabone]

I think it's just that everyone is obsessed with having more and more capacity else they think they'll die in a gun fight with only 5 to 8 rounds of 9mm. They're even putting those aftermarket +1 or +2 magazine extensions on their P365s and the like.High capacity and Red Dots. For those who can't hit the side of a barn and can't see it either.:)

[DavidR]

Guns with bullets. For those who can’t fight their way out of a paper bag.

[yqtszhj]

Guns with bullets. For those who can’t fight their way out of a paper bag.

Im falling into that category there, except we need to fit in “because they are getting too old, tired, and impatient to fight fair.”

[dao]

Guns with bullets. For those who can’t fight their way out of a paper bag.

Or those facing someone with a gun or knife. Or multiple someones.

[King Rat]

Frequent moderate Practice/Training. Focus on the first round fired, not the 10th,11th or more. Yea, you might get a second chance with another shot but don't press your luck. The man that shoots first wins. If you can't get the job done with a few rounds, you are dead. All the ammo in the world is not going to save you at this point. Real life gun fights are not Hollywood or FBI Miami shootouts. The bad guy has the advantage of surprise. He will have the edge. Be fast, be quick or Be dead.

The Goal when training is to be faster and more accurate than the average man.
"Stop chasing Possibilities and focus on Probabilities" *and don't drink Bud Lite.

https://i.imgur.com/r3olm1V.jpg

[DavidR]

More free sleep medication. Thanks

[DavidR]

And don’t get me started on caliber! Anyone carrying less than 10mm isn’t serious about self defense*

PS - just trying to keep things alive here. Barring a miracle, Kahr is a dead brand. I wouldn’t want this forum to die with it.

* Somebody actually said this on the SigTalk forum

[187911]

And don’t get me started on caliber! Anyone carrying less than 10mm isn’t serious about self defense*

PS - just trying to keep things alive here. Barring a miracle, Kahr is a dead brand. I wouldn’t want this forum to die with it.

* Somebody actually said this on the SigTalk forum

I wish the owner sold it years ago when it was popular. They could have been a top player and selling between 500k or more annually. Moon allowed it to die a slow death.

[Bawanna]

I wish the owner sold it years ago when it was popular. They could have been a top player and selling between 500k or more annually. Moon allowed it to die a slow death.

Where do you find these sales numbers out of curiosity?

[JohnR]

This new gun announcement is due any day, since it was supposedly timed with the NRA convention which starts in two days.

Maybe it's a CM22. A CM9 sized gun in .22LR. That seems to be all the rage, along with double stuff 9s.

[187911]

This new gun announcement is due any day, since it was supposedly timed with the NRA convention which starts in two days.

Maybe it's a CM22. A CM9 sized gun in .22LR. That seems to be all the rage, along with double stuff 9s.

Is it going to beat the TX22 and the Keltec offerings?

[187911]

Where do you find these sales numbers out of curiosity?

Annual ATF domestic reporting. In 2020 Kahr branded firearms only produced a measly 11,606 pistols out of the total of 5,509,183 manufacturered domestically. Even SCCY beat Kahr's numbers with 18,5616 of only 380acp and 9mms.

[berettabone]

And don’t get me started on caliber! Anyone carrying less than 10mm isn’t serious about self defense*

PS - just trying to keep things alive here. Barring a miracle, Kahr is a dead brand. I wouldn’t want this forum to die with it.

* Somebody actually said this on the SigTalk forum Looks like they already have............Lots of Sig 365's for sale in my neck of the woods. I guess the lines have died down. :cool:

[berettabone]

Annual ATF domestic reporting. In 2020 Kahr branded firearms only produced a measly 11,606 pistols out of the total of 5,509,183 manufacturered domestically. Even SCCY beat Kahr's numbers with 18,5616 of only 380acp and 9mms. I remember checking/seeing some stats back in 2012.......It said Kahr sales in particular were only about 8500 Kahr pistols made. I guess the stats now are a big improvement? :p

[yqtszhj]

This new gun announcement is due any day, since it was supposedly timed with the NRA convention which starts in two days.

Maybe it's a CM22. A CM9 sized gun in .22LR. That seems to be all the rage, along with double stuff 9s.

Not wanting to be left out I’ll start a new one, a CM10 holding 8 rounds of 10mm in a stack and a half. We can even laser etch Trump on the slide. How bout them apples?

[DavidR]

Looks like they already have............Lots of Sig 365's for sale in my neck of the woods. I guess the lines have died down. :cool:

When you sell a few hundred thousand of them a year there’s bound to be a few used ones available.

[187911]

I remember checking/seeing some stats back in 2012.......It said Kahr sales in particular were only about 8500 Kahr pistols made. I guess the stats now are a big improvement? :p
Sales were much better than that, but it's been a steep free fall that's getting worse. After look at all the sales figures, I'm buying more spare parts because I'm not sure it's sustainable.

In 2011 it was 50,660
In 2012 it was 65,427 (https://www.atf.gov/file/4751/download)
In 2016 it was 40,274

I linked to the 2012 ATF domestic manufacturing figures. Kahr is under "Saeilo Inc" in "WORCESTER MA." I wouldn't be surprised if they're only selling 5k-8k annually now.

[King Rat]

Sales were much better than that, but it's been a steep free fall that's getting worse. After look at all the sales figures, I'm buying more spare parts because I'm not sure it's sustainable.

In 2011 it was 50,660
In 2012 it was 65,427 (https://www.atf.gov/file/4751/download)
In 2016 it was 40,274



I linked to the 2012 ATF domestic manufacturing figures. Kahr is under "Saeilo Inc" in "WORCESTER MA." I wouldn't be surprised if they're only selling 5k-8k annually now.


I would suggest you update your figures since 2016. You say you would not be surprised if they are only selling 5-k annually? Would you be willing to bet hard cash on that? Or is that just internet talk?

[187911]

I would suggest you update your figures since 2016. You say you would not be surprised if they are only selling 5-k annually? Would you be willing to bet hard cash on that? Or is that just internet talk?

The ATF report for current present sales number until a year or two from now. I stated "it wouldn't surprise me IF the current sales numbers are now 5k-8k. I don't recall stating those are their sales numbers. Go back and read what I wrote. Their 2020 numbers aren't too far off from 8k.

[DavidR]

Sadly, a dying brand. [emoji30]

Even a new offering may not be enough to save the Kahr brand.

[JohnR]

2021 total pistols was 11,606 for Saelio of MA, plus 8,175 for Saelio of PA. Total of 19,781.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/report/afmer-2021-final-web-report/download

[JohnR]

Maybe they need to be bought by Ruger or someone who can keep it going.

[King Rat]

Sadly, a dying brand. [emoji30]

Even a new offering may not be enough to save the Kahr brand.

Maybe, Maybe not. No one this forum, or any forum really knows the real figures of profit by the company or the future. Just speculation and bias. Regardless if they do or not,it would be a shame as they make a high quality firearm. The General Public knows very little about the gun. Most LG stores do not even carry them. Just like a lot of other firearms. No, Kahr never sank millions of dollars into marketing and advertising, maybe that is a good thing. Put the money into quality. Marketing is the number one expense in any firearm. Look at the Sig 365. Marketing success. People lined up to buy one, even getting on a list before they had any idea of how it shot or even fit their hand. Then the gun was plagued with issues for almost two years. And now other guns have surpassed it. Marketing sells numbers.
Most sold, most popular? Does not alway's translate to quality or best firearm. There will always be a newer model and newer fad. The goal of the Big Boy Giants is to keep you buying. Ruger is great at this.

[187911]

2021 total pistols was 11,606 for Saelio of MA, plus 8,175 for Saelio of PA. Total of 19,781.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/report/afmer-2021-final-web-report/download
You're attributing Auto-ordnance's pistols to the Kahr line. You'll notice that just about all of the 8,175 are all 40s&w and above in caliber.

[DavidR]

Plagued is quite an exaggeration. There was a batch of bad strikers early on that caused light primer strikes. That was corrected quickly and there have been no other significant problems since.

Of course sales of the 365 are down as now nearly every competitor (except Kahr) has a similar offering.

[Bawanna]

Maybe we should rename this the Kahr negativity thread. Perhaps we could save it for the Glock forum?

[187911]

I'm sure a new Kahr double stack will make a killing! Can't wait to get my hands on one.:D:o

[DavidR]

Maybe we should rename this the Kahr negativity thread. Perhaps we could save it for the Glock forum?

More like the Kahr disappointment thread.

[King Rat]

More like the Kahr disappointment thread.

I get the Idea that some want Kahr to fail. I am just glad I was fortunate to be able to own 4 Kahrs, which I believe will out live me. I own way too many guns as it is. If things were different and I know what I know now, had no guns at all, and was going to purchase a EDC, you can bet I would buy a Kahr CM9. My son does not EDC a gun yet. He has been too busy since coming back from deployment. (now away in Leadership school). I have already told him that I will give him one of my CM9's for carry and the P380. He will not need to purchase anything else for Practical EDC. Long live Kahr!

I guess that is about as good and positive testament I can honestly give to the Brand and the gun.

Getting back to the Original question on this thread Would you buy a Kahr double stack?

No, not interested

Yes, I do hope they come out with one just to satisfy all the bashers. (However, I have no doubt they will find something else to bash about it.)

[JohnR]

Everyone likes to pile on when someone is down. But, if you can’t make and sell guns in this day and age, sumthins wrong.

[King Rat]

Everyone likes to pile on when someone is down. But, if you can’t make and sell guns in this day and age, sumthins wrong.

Last I heard they were making and selling guns. Had no Idea they were gone. Thanks for the info. Someone lied and say they actually had a booth at the NRA show.

[JohnR]

Booth 3208.

[Bawanna]

Momma always said if you didn't have something nice to say, not to say nuthin at all. Like to see more of that around here.

On the knife forum his favorite saying apparently is Haters gonna hate.

I don't claim to be the biggest Kahr fanboy, own several but also a few other brands as well. Going on a brand forum and spreading negativity just don't set well with me for what tiny little bit that might be worth in the overall scheme of things.

Regardless of the brand, we have a great little forum here, lost a lot of really good friends over the years but still a bunch of good ones most have never met, like to keep it happy and positive.

[JohnR]

Agreed. I love Kahr firearms and I want them to succeed, but I'm skeptical. I hope I'm totally wrong.

[DavidR]

Okay I’ll say it nicely - some people have confused disappointment with bashing and a desire for Kahr to fail. It’s simply not true and people should stop repeating the same nonsense over and over.

[187911]

Okay I’ll say it nicely - some people have confused disappointment with bashing and a desire for Kahr to fail. It’s simply not true and people should stop repeating the same nonsense over and over.

I agree. It's called being defensive on the part of some. No one hoped Kahr would fail, and we all are here because we love their product. Stating the facts about their numbers, talking about the objective factual state of the brand, and stating facts along with options about what went wrong or what should happen to keep the brand going is not bashing or wishing for the company to fail...

I am a fan of Kahr, but I'm not such a fanboy where I get offended when a fact based discussion about the company is being had in only one thread out of the plothera of pro Kahr threads on the forum. With that said, I personally will not bring anything up anymore, and will only ever report positive news about the brand going forward.

[King Rat]

I agree. It's called being defensive on the part of some. No one hoped Kahr would fail, and we all are here because we love their product. Stating the facts about their numbers, talking about the objective factual state of the brand, and stating facts along with options about what went wrong or what should happen to keep the brand going is not bashing or wishing for the company to fail...

I am a fan of Kahr, but I'm not such a fanboy where I get offended when a fact based discussion about the company is being had in only one thread out of the plothera of pro Kahr threads on the forum. With that said, I personally will not bring anything up anymore, and will only ever report positive news about the brand going forward.

Lol, Look who is offended now. Hey, I respect your opinion, how about doing the same. Have a nice day.

[Bawanna]

I can't help but wonder if Kahr doesn't want to be a big player and is content being the small niche market supplier they are now rather than get lost in the plethora of competitors offerings. Which I guess aren't really competitors with double stacks and higher round counts. All good things if a person feels the need for those things.
Could also be they are focusing more on Auto Ordnance, Thompson and Magnum Research which are now under their umbrella.
We can only speculate on the logic or lack there of in Kahrs business plan.

[DavidR]

I can't help but wonder if Kahr doesn't want to be a big player and is content being the small niche market supplier they are now rather than get lost in the plethora of competitors offerings. Which I guess aren't really competitors with double stacks and higher round counts. All good things if a person feels the need for those things.
Could also be they are focusing more on Auto Ordnance, Thompson and Magnum Research which are now under their umbrella.
We can only speculate on the logic or lack there of in Kahrs business plan.

This makes a lot of sense.

[King Rat]

I can't help but wonder if Kahr doesn't want to be a big player and is content being the small niche market supplier they are now rather than get lost in the plethora of competitors offerings. Which I guess aren't really competitors with double stacks and higher round counts. All good things if a person feels the need for those things.
Could also be they are focusing more on Auto Ordnance, Thompson and Magnum Research which are now under their umbrella.
We can only speculate on the logic or lack there of in Kahrs business plan.

Well said!
Personally, I have always considered Kahr to be a niche market to begin with Much like a Custom shop. Never put them into a class like Ruger, Smith etc. Most John Public will not even know what a Kahr is. Those that have been around enough, familiar with them will buy one for the most part. If not just buy a Ruger, Smith or Sig. How many small specialty manufacturers are still dong business? A lot of them. And I do not think any of them want to be Ruger. The idea that Kahr, Magnum Research etc are under one roof makes a lot of sense.

[FreeMe]

I'm not about to write Kahr's obituary. But I do hope they bring out some innovation that is relevant to the market. And I wish they would do a better job f parts support. Having come into some more mags recently, I've been wanting more steel mag bases, and they're no longer listed on their website. Sights are also very limited. That's not encouraging. I still think Kahrs have the best trigger system for concealed carry on the market, but it's hard to recommend them when they don't keep up with anything else the market otherwise wants. I can tell people I think so much of my P9 that I spent $200 to make it RDS ready, but that doesn't impress anyone who doesn't already have a Kahr. I hope the big news isn't disappointing.

[King Rat]

https://static1.bigstockphoto.com/9/3/1/large2/139183319.jpg

[King Rat]

Another post of the New Flex. Someone mentioned a slim grip, I would say this gun is about as good as it is going to get. 1". Cut for Red Dot, nice serrations, easy racking and most of all a 15 rd magazine. Just think, carry 2 spars and you have 46 rounds for a Micro 9mm. Should be enough for most. (but then again maybe not)

https://i.imgur.com/hHNBN2G.jpg

https://fnamerica.com/products/fn-reflex-series/fn-reflex-mrd/

[FreeMe]

The thing I don't like about that Reflex is that they say it's single action - and it has no external safety. I didn't buy a Sig P320 X10 specifically because the SA trigger is so good but it has no external safety (I prefer thumb over trigger safety). I like the 365xl with thumb safety for the same reason. And it holds 12-15 rounds (not that I care much about that). If you're going without a frame mounted thumb safety, the best system IMO is a nice smooth DAO like the Kahr.

[King Rat]

The thing I don't like about that Reflex is that they say it's single action - and it has no external safety. I didn't buy a Sig P320 X10 specifically because the SA trigger is so good but it has no external safety (I prefer thumb over trigger safety). I like the 365xl with thumb safety for the same reason. And it holds 12-15 rounds (not that I care much about that). If you're going without a frame mounted thumb safety, the best system IMO is a nice smooth DAO like the Kahr.


Agree, but I think we are not in the same percentage of shooters that would like a frame safety. Mpst want the lightest, and shortest reset. Not many around frame safeties out there.. The Popular Sig 365XL and the Smith Pluse, and I think the Mossberg has one. I would like to see this gun in person. Look at the pic of the trigger. Looks wide.

[187911]

Lol, Look who is offended now. Hey, I respect your opinion, how about doing the same. Have a nice day.

Gaslight much? I'm not offended at all, but simply stated I would stop talking about it because others don't like to hear negative news about Kahr. Nothing wrong with being a niche in the market just as long as there continues to be a market for that niche which doesn't seem to be the case as time marches on. Work on your trolling and gaslighting skills.

[187911]

The thing I don't like about that Reflex is that they say it's single action - and it has no external safety. I didn't buy a Sig P320 X10 specifically because the SA trigger is so good but it has no external safety (I prefer thumb over trigger safety). I like the 365xl with thumb safety for the same reason. And it holds 12-15 rounds (not that I care much about that). If you're going without a frame mounted thumb safety, the best system IMO is a nice smooth DAO like the Kahr.

I concur with King Rat that the market is anti thumb safety for defensive guns that aren't 1911s. The difference between a P365 the like triggers and traditional SAO triggers is the initial length of travel and trigger weight. The SAO trigger weight and length of pull on most 1911 and DA/SA handguns in SAO mode is lighter and shorter than what's typical found on stock carry/duty striker fired handguns. Because of the aforementioned, the fact that most triggers have the trigger safeties, and people don't train enough to have muscle memory to swip off the safety, thumb safeties aren't that popular, and most thinks it's unnecessary for striker fired pistols.

At least the Springfield Hellcat, S&W M&P Shield line, and the Sig P365 offer that option for those who want it, so that's a plus.

[King Rat]

Well, this site is an arm of sorts (or something) with Kahr, maybe they'll do a special run.

I also prefer the slim size. I view Kahr as a good "compact auto" and that is the role it fills for me. I would like to see a 4 inch barreled model, say a T9 slide on the K9 grip but it's not that big of a deal.

If I want higher capacity I would carry a Browning Hi Power and may do that yet although the BHP would need some custom work and I'd have to get a holster made for it.

I think in all of them the longer barrels are the new trend. EX. Sig 365 XL, GX4XL and on and on.

[DavidR]

I concur with King Rat that the market is anti thumb safety for defensive guns that aren't 1911s. The difference between a P365 the like triggers and traditional SAO triggers is the initial length of travel and trigger weight. The SAO trigger weight and length of pull on most 1911 and DA/SA handguns in SAO mode is lighter and shorter than what's typical found on stock carry/duty striker fired handguns. Because of the aforementioned, the fact that most triggers have the trigger safeties, and people don't train enough to have muscle memory to swip off the safety, thumb safeties aren't that popular, and most thinks it's unnecessary for striker fired pistols.

At least the Springfield Hellcat, S&W M&P Shield line, and the Sig P365 offer that option for those who want it, so that's a plus.

Agree.

I have a Shield Plus and 3 variants of P365s all without thumb safeties. My LCPs and CT380 do not have thumb safeties. I also removed the thumb safety from my Shield 380 EZ.

[DavidR]

The NRA Convention is underway. Anxiously awaiting the big announcement.

[King Rat]

You want THIN, you got THIN! Then and 15 that is. What do you want? Eggs with your Beer?

Almost forgot about this 15 rounder. And a incredible .85" of thinness. "Hailed by KelTec as the lightest and thinnest of its kind, the P15 is also its first striker-fire pistol (https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/tag/pistols/). Similarly, chambered in 9mm the P15 features a patent-pending 15 round extended magazine. As a result, comes a concealed carry (https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/tag/concealed-carry/) option that virtually disappears when concealed but offers high capacity for defensive (https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/tag/self-defense/) carry.

The Magic number now is 15 https://cdn.athlonoutdoors.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2022/07/best-concealed-carry-pistols-02.jpg

[FreeMe]

Agree, but I think we are not in the same percentage of shooters that would like a frame safety. Mpst want the lightest, and shortest reset. Not many around frame safeties out there.. The Popular Sig 365XL and the Smith Pluse, and I think the Mossberg has one. I would like to see this gun in person. Look at the pic of the trigger. Looks wide.

I think all the iterations of the Shield can be had with a thumb safety. And their new aluminum frame CSX as well. I like a wide trigger, but that can be more easily snagged when holstering, so....

[FreeMe]

I concur with King Rat that the market is anti thumb safety for defensive guns that aren't 1911s. The difference between a P365 the like triggers and traditional SAO triggers is the initial length of travel and trigger weight. The SAO trigger weight and length of pull on most 1911 and DA/SA handguns in SAO mode is lighter and shorter than what's typical found on stock carry/duty striker fired handguns. Because of the aforementioned, the fact that most triggers have the trigger safeties, and people don't train enough to have muscle memory to swip off the safety, thumb safeties aren't that popular, and most thinks it's unnecessary for striker fired pistols.

At least the Springfield Hellcat, S&W M&P Shield line, and the Sig P365 offer that option for those who want it, so that's a plus.

No argument there.

[FreeMe]

You want THIN, you got THIN! Then and 15 that is. What do you want? Eggs with your Beer?

Almost forgot about this 15 rounder. And a incredible .85" of thinness. "Hailed by KelTec as the lightest and thinnest of its kind, the P15 is also its first striker-fire pistol (https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/tag/pistols/). Similarly, chambered in 9mm the P15 features a patent-pending 15 round extended magazine. As a result, comes a concealed carry (https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/tag/concealed-carry/) option that virtually disappears when concealed but offers high capacity for defensive (https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/tag/self-defense/) carry.

The Magic number now is 15 https://cdn.athlonoutdoors.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2022/07/best-concealed-carry-pistols-02.jpg

I think KT has the right idea here, and I hope the execution is good. Since the advent of the XDM series, I am a fan of those Springfields. Hopefully, this grip safety works better than those on the S&W EZ.

[djd100]

The .30 Super Carry is a very interesting round and I would love a 10 round PM sized Kahr pistol in that caliber but it ain’t happening, sorry but at this time Kahr isn’t going to invest in the capital it would take to find a manufacturer of polymer frames and magazines to bring it to market but it sounds cool enough…….I really wish Kahr would have kept up with the times but it’s just not going to happen so I’m happy that I found a great shooting little PM9 and will just have to make do with 7 rounds to solve any problems I might walk into……..

Make that 7+1 flush, or 8+1 extended via MagGuts springs and followers!

[djd100]

Im falling into that category there, except we need to fit in “because they are getting too old, tired, and impatient to fight fair.”

Amen!

[DJK11]

I reload and have purchased one 50 round box of ammo in the last decade. No interest in another pistol caliber. Why is it named Super Carry? I would prefer 30 HH(heavy hitter), 30 XL, 30 ST, 30 HC(high capacity), 30 ZS. With the current state of ammo, why would anyone want to acquire another caliber. It’s similar to 9mm so why bother.

[King Rat]

I reload and have purchased one 50 round box of ammo in the last decade. No interest in another pistol caliber. Why is it named Super Carry? I would prefer 30 HH(heavy hitter), 30 XL, 30 ST, 30 HC(high capacity), 30 ZS. With the current state of ammo, why would anyone want to acquire another caliber. It’s similar to 9mm so why bother.

Look at the specs on the advertisement from the link and info I posted a few threads back. For one, you get more capacity in a magazine. Less recoil, and good ballistics. Shoot and train with a 9mm. carry the Super 30.

[DavidR]

Still waiting…

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230415/805f8012b6b3a8b6c484b31a1843986e.jpg

[djd100]

I think KT has the right idea here, and I hope the execution is good. Since the advent of the XDM series, I am a fan of those Springfields. Hopefully, this grip safety works better than those on the S&W EZ.

Hmmm, chop off an inch in both height and length, for say 10 + 1 flush, deal, I'll take one!

https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/kahr-pm9-vs-kel-tec-p15

[DJK11]

NO NO one should train with what they carry. Also exactly how they carry. And yes I’ve read articles extolling the virtues of 30 sc. That’s the reason 99% of the time it’s 45 acp for me.

[FreeMe]

Still waiting…

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230415/805f8012b6b3a8b6c484b31a1843986e.jpg

That is the gun that Justin Moon was ringing the 100 yard gong with in the video that used to be on the Kahr website. Got me all excited, then.....nuthin'.

Come to think of it, it might have been a 9.

[K75RT]

If Kahr decides to make a double stack, I definitely would be interested. They have mastered the single-stack slim for years. Don't know if they'd keep the offset feed ramp as it might be moot with a double stack or I may be wrong... I like their guns and I look forward to their future endeavors