Pm9 ftf

[bbuck]

I had my PM9 out to the range as I have many times. After shooting several magazines of ammo. I pulled the trigger and nothing. The trigger goes all the way and the trigger reset returns it to the fire position but that is it. On returning home I tried to disassemble the gun but after taking out the slide stop I tried to remove the slide but I am unable to as I can't fire the pistol. I am guessing I am not the first to have this sort of failure as I assume one of the parts broke. Any info on how to get the slide off and find what is broken would be appreciated.

[gb6491]

I had my PM9 out to the range as I have many times. After shooting several magazines of ammo. I pulled the trigger and nothing. The trigger goes all the way and the trigger reset returns it to the fire position but that is it. On returning home I tried to disassemble the gun but after taking out the slide stop I tried to remove the slide but I am unable to as I can't fire the pistol. I am guessing I am not the first to have this sort of failure as I assume one of the parts broke. Any info on how to get the slide off and find what is broken would be appreciated.
Welcome to the forums:)

I'm thinking there are about three ways to approach getting the slide off, Here they are in no specific order:

1. Remove the frame's slide plate: Remove the screw (you will need a T5 driver to do this), then carefully pry the side plate off. There is a ball and socket connector under the plate and the front of the plate slide under the frame.
https://i.postimg.cc/qRMNmh9g/pry.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/9QD5BW8V/socket.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/HLQpQYnn/slide.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
With the plate off, see if the trigger bar spring is in place.
https://i.postimg.cc/XNFdPFPD/spring-copy.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
If the spring looks good, check to see if the leg of the trigger bar is intact and properly positioned.
You will need to rotate the cocking cam to get the slide off.
https://i.postimg.cc/9MdhsCqS/cam-copy.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
Also give this thread a look (particularly, the last couple of pages): http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?33312-Quarantine-Repairs-on-CW9 (http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?33312-Quarantine-Repairs-on-CW9)

2. Remove the striker assembly. It's much easier to do with the slide off, but can be done with the slide locked back.
http://naws.com/Kahr_Slide.pdf
Go to about the 4:00 mark https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi3VFRll2L4&t=60s

3. Make a tool and slide it under the rear of the slide. Then fish for the lobe of the cocking cam, then try to pull the lobe rearward and down while pulling the slide forward and off the frame.

Personally, I'd go with #1 because you will need to remove the side pale at some point and it's the least frustrating option (even though you need the small Torx driver).

Regards,
Greg

[King Rat]

Welcome to the forums:)

I'm thinking there are about three ways to approach getting the slide off, Here they are in no specific order:

1. Remove the frame's slide plate: Remove the screw (you will need a T5 driver to do this), then carefully pry the side plate off. There is a ball and socket connector under the plate and the front of the plate slide under the frame.
https://i.postimg.cc/qRMNmh9g/pry.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/9QD5BW8V/socket.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/HLQpQYnn/slide.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
With the plate off, see if the trigger bar spring is in place.
https://i.postimg.cc/XNFdPFPD/spring-copy.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
If the spring looks good, check to see if the leg of the trigger bar is intact and properly positioned.
You will need to rotate the cocking cam to get the slide off.
https://i.postimg.cc/9MdhsCqS/cam-copy.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
Also give this thread a look (particularly, the last couple of pages): http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?33312-Quarantine-Repairs-on-CW9 (http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?33312-Quarantine-Repairs-on-CW9)

2. Remove the striker assembly. It's much easier to do with the slide off, but can be done with the slide locked back.
http://naws.com/Kahr_Slide.pdf
Go to about the 4:00 mark https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi3VFRll2L4&t=60s

3. Make a tool and slide it under the rear of the slide. Then fish for the lobe of the cocking cam, then try to pull the lobe rearward and down while pulling the slide forward and off the frame.

Personally, I'd go with #1 because you will need to remove the side pale at some point and it's the least frustrating option (even though you need the small Torx driver).

Regards,
Greg

Good info. I am assuming this is on a sticky. Have copied to my files.

[dao]

Unrelated but if you ever have a Kahr that has a "creaky" trigger, and by that I don't mean noise but rather the trigger feels like kind of rough and creaky as you pull it you may find that the bottom of that trigger bar where the hook on the spring rides against it has a burr along it. In the picture about you can see a burr on the bar further to the left of the spring. I've had two that I needed to smooth out the bottom of the trigger bar where the spring rides in order to make the trigger feel buttery smooth like most Kahrs do.

bbuck please do let us know what you end up doing to get your gun working again.

Great pictures Greg!

[I_Like_Turtles]

Unrelated but if you ever have a Kahr that has a "creaky" trigger, and by that I don't mean noise but rather the trigger feels like kind of rough and creaky as you pull it you may find that the bottom of that trigger bar where the hook on the spring rides against it has a burr along it. In the picture about you can see a burr on the bar further to the left of the spring. I've had two that I needed to smooth out the bottom of the trigger bar where the spring rides in order to make the trigger feel buttery smooth like most Kahrs do.

bbuck please do let us know what you end up doing to get your gun working again.

Great pictures Greg!

Thank you! I think my K9 has that. Maybe I can fix it during the lockdown.

[Bawanna]

My T had a case of that out of the box, couple minutes and it was good to go.

[bbuck]

Welcome to the forums:)

I'm thinking there are about three ways to approach getting the slide off, Here they are in no specific order:

1. Remove the frame's slide plate: Remove the screw (you will need a T5 driver to do this), then carefully pry the side plate off. There is a ball and socket connector under the plate and the front of the plate slide under the frame.
https://i.postimg.cc/qRMNmh9g/pry.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/9QD5BW8V/socket.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/HLQpQYnn/slide.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
With the plate off, see if the trigger bar spring is in place.
https://i.postimg.cc/XNFdPFPD/spring-copy.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
If the spring looks good, check to see if the leg of the trigger bar is intact and properly positioned.
You will need to rotate the cocking cam to get the slide off.
https://i.postimg.cc/9MdhsCqS/cam-copy.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
Also give this thread a look (particularly, the last couple of pages): http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?33312-Quarantine-Repairs-on-CW9 (http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?33312-Quarantine-Repairs-on-CW9)

2. Remove the striker assembly. It's much easier to do with the slide off, but can be done with the slide locked back.
http://naws.com/Kahr_Slide.pdf
Go to about the 4:00 mark https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi3VFRll2L4&t=60s

3. Make a tool and slide it under the rear of the slide. Then fish for the lobe of the cocking cam, then try to pull the lobe rearward and down while pulling the slide forward and off the frame.

Personally, I'd go with #1 because you will need to remove the side pale at some point and it's the least frustrating option (even though you need the small Torx driver).

Regards,
Greg

Excellent info. Very detailed and appreciated! Thanks.

[bbuck]

I finally got some free time and took the side plate off and the trigger bar spring was gone. So one is on order. I take for granted the one end of the spring clips over the trigger bar and the other end rides in the grove in the frame below and parallel to the trigger bar. I hope my explanation makes sense.

[Bawanna]

Exactly correct. It's pretty simple to install. I just put the end down in the groove and keep it there while you take some needle nose or similar and bend the spring down to grab the trigger bar.

[bbuck]

Thank you kindly for the advice!

[dao]

Just don't overtighten the torx screw (T5 I think it is), when you put the plate back on, it's not hard to strip out.

[berettabone]

Especially when you have to do it more than usual............................................. ..............

[rotorhead1026]

I finally got some free time and took the side plate off and the trigger bar spring was gone. So one is on order. I take for granted the one end of the spring clips over the trigger bar and the other end rides in the grove in the frame below and parallel to the trigger bar. I hope my explanation makes sense.

By “gone” do you mean broken?

[bbuck]

Just don't overtighten the torx screw (T5 I think it is), when you put the plate back on, it's not hard to strip out.

The T5 is what I took it out with. And will try not to strip it.


Especially when you have to do it more than usual............................................. ..............

As a journeyman machinist I have dealt with some very small screws.........and sometimes tightened them more then I should!


By “gone” do you mean broken?

The spring was not installed when I took the side plate off. I would assume it came off or broke at the range. And while I was fiddling with it there it may have fallen out when I took the magazine out and I didn't notice.

[dao]

While you have it apart, if you noticed any "creep" in the trigger you can smooth out the underside of the trigger bar to remove that. Some of them come with burrs that will put that creep into what is normally, and should be, a buttery smooth trigger pull.