Happiness is a new gun 2

[berettabone]

The wifey and I paid off all credit debt a long time ago. I could/can go to the bank and get/borrow money cheaper. No balance is a good balance. I've had a credit card with the same company for over 35 yrs. Ai one point, I was paying 1.9%. Didn't really hurt to let it ride. These days it's insane. Never thought I'd see it in my lifetime.............

[JohnR]

It came in today! Dripping with oil, tightest lockup I’ve ever seen. https://i.postimg.cc/Bt9465zm/IMG-3443.jpg

[Barth]

It came in today! Dripping with oil, tightest lockup I’ve ever seen. https://i.postimg.cc/Bt9465zm/IMG-3443.jpg

Very Nice!
I'm trying to get my Dad to sell me his Ruger Stainless Security 6 4" gun.
It's too heavy for my mom so he's shopping for something smaller and lighter.
I'm sure he hasn't fired it in 20 years LOL!
I'm not sure he's ever fired it at all (it looks unfired).
He's not a gun guy at all (so why won't he sell it to me :confused:).
Oh well, I'll inherit it from him some day anyway...

The Security 6 looks just like this -
https://files.osgnetworks.tv/9/files/2017/11/RugerSecuritySix.gif

[dao]

It is Duracoated, seems to wear better than Cerakote. Had it done at Ahlman's. They do 3 types of coatings and say they prefer Duracoat.


https://www.ahlmans.com/duracoat-services.html

Thanks for the link! Never know when something like will come in handy.

[jeepster09]

Ahlman's have great gunsmiths on staff. I have been going to them for over 20 years.

[dao]

Just bought this one (On GB, so waiting on delivery). I’m planning on expanding my amateur/bubba smithin and taxidermy stuff, so I needed a test bed. The reason I picked this one (I was going to get a Tisas) is…
1. Stainless all around. I wanted to learn coating, but that’s less important to me than being able to cut into metal and let it sit for a bit without turning into rust (Floriduh is hoooomid as can be). I could not find a Tisas officer frame in stainless.
2. I’m going to metal “stipple” the front strap, msh and “memory bump” on the beaver. See #1. Once I do this, I only have to remove any roughness I created. No coating necessary if it sits while I tool with another project that draws me away.
3. Already has an upswept beaver. Was considering others in this price range, which would have required upswept beaver fitting, but think the other mods I’m making already will be creating enough work for me. I will fit a beaver on another, future project. I’m learning that these things can drag out too long which has me lose interest, or have to take too many breaks due to needing NSAID’s.
4. Not an alloy frame. I’ve done enough on the alloy frames to know that the stippling I want to do may have me making a quick/irreversible mistake on alloy. The stainless will take a little more push to get the desired results. I feel the slower things go, usually the better end result as you are more in control and things don’t get away from you.
5. I’ve had a couple of Rock’s. Never had a problem with them. Never shot one a whole bunch, but short of my carry guns, none of them get shot a whole bunch. So hoping this one is as the others were.
6. It’s relatively cheap. Delivered for less than 5 bills.
7. Want to eventually put a 4.25” slide on it. Can get a Rock commander slide or whole gun relatively cheap, if not, maybe at that time someone will part with a Tisas Tank Commander slide, a SA Champion slide, etc. I want a real CCO (Concealed Carry Officer), but have to start with this true Officer sized frame.
Sorry, it’s not in God’s caliber, but plan to crown the barrel, so looking at it you might think so! ;)
I also plan to make my 1st set of epoxy grips using this one’s frame. The grips are pretty nice that come with it, but like the Springfield Armory 1911’s, too much frame is left showing. I want to make something that starts at the front strap and at least continues to the thumb safety edges and on down, following the frames lines. We shall see! :(
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Thank you sir! The pictures are free. The V10... sometimes I get an itch for something differnt and no cash to fulfill, so you and dao might have to duke it out 
I just looked back in this thread and realized this is the same model dao has been fixing up.

I can live with the fact that he likes you better Colonel. I'd deal with it even better though if I could add his V10 to the stable though :D

That is exactly how mine started Bird. As you said, it's the same gun, caliber and all. I'm more than happy with how mine looks now, but I'm sure that before you're done yours will make mine look like it's been neglected.
I do hope that Tisas will make an all steel Officer size in the future, whether it be black or stainless. At this point I would personally prefer a black one since I'm covered for stainless.



It came in today! Dripping with oil, tightest lockup I’ve ever seen. https://i.postimg.cc/Bt9465zm/IMG-3443.jpg

I've never been a revolver guy, but if I was gonna carry one now, this is about what it would look like. Very nice!

[yqtszhj]

It came in today! Dripping with oil, tightest lockup I’ve ever seen.

Nice, I like that barrel length. Mine is in 357.

[BirdsThaWord]

That's investment thing is my wife too. Want's to save, save, save. Vacations and stuff are temporary, guns are forever. Upon my retirement I received a rather large (by my standards) payout from accumulated unused sick leave, vacation and stuff I didn't even know I had. I never saw a dime of it and wife says we have'nt used a dime of it. Well honey cut loose a little bit. Even if it's to do some needed house fixin up ya know.
Not to complain mind ya but I could never make her understand that we had a big Credit Card debt. At high interest. Take some money an pay em off. Bank ain't payin hardly any interest and cards are raping us. She wants money in the bank for emergency. That's what the CC's are for. And guns, of course guns.
Man, I feel your pain. Somebody talk some cents (:p) into her! I guess I got lucky. My wife would never allow CC debt. I use it for gas & groceries and she pays it off before it’s due. When we were 1st. arried, I had some CC debt. She helped me get it paid off and I promised to never return there.
Oh, occasionally I buy off GB using a credit card, but I must simultaneously put money into our “envelope” in the safe, which is a petty cash system she invented. Once a week I go there and draw my allowance and if there is one, any bonus I’ve earned. It does keep me in line, but also makes it a little fun.

[BirdsThaWord]

The wifey and I paid off all credit debt a long time ago. I could/can go to the bank and get/borrow money cheaper. No balance is a good balance. I've had a credit card with the same company for over 35 yrs. Ai one point, I was paying 1.9%. Didn't really hurt to let it ride. These days it's insane. Never thought I'd see it in my lifetime.............
Smart move my friend! Yes, rates are insane these days. Usery at it’s finest!!!

[BirdsThaWord]

It came in today! Dripping with oil, tightest lockup I’ve ever seen. https://i.postimg.cc/Bt9465zm/IMG-3443.jpg

The beast has arrived! They look pretty dang cool with the slightly longer barrels. You see the (like mine) lil barrels all the time. Well made revolvers, imho. Big congratulations sir!

[BirdsThaWord]

Very Nice!
I'm trying to get my Dad to sell me his Ruger Stainless Security 6 4" gun.
It's too heavy for my mom so he's shopping for something smaller and lighter.
I'm sure he hasn't fired it in 20 years LOL!
I'm not sure he's ever fired it at all (it looks unfired).
He's not a gun guy at all (so why won't he sell it to me :confused:).
Oh well, I'll inherit it from him some day anyway...

The Security 6 looks just like this -
https://files.osgnetworks.tv/9/files/2017/11/RugerSecuritySix.gif
Sweet looking revolver. I love revolvers with target sights! On the Smith’s, I like full lugs. On the Rugers, the partial lugs look better if you ask me. Goes with all of the other lines better. I’d love to polish that and put some high gloss silver/black (charcoal grey) Altamonte’s on it. :cool:

[JohnR]

This makes my 4th SP101. My others were .357 (2 sold when the S&W 640 won my heart). And an older 6-round 4” .22LR which I’ll keep 4-evah.

[BirdsThaWord]

I can live with the fact that he likes you better Colonel. I'd deal with it even better though if I could add his V10 to the stable though :D

That is exactly how mine started Bird. As you said, it's the same gun, caliber and all. I'm more than happy with how mine looks now, but I'm sure that before you're done yours will make mine look like it's been neglected.
I do hope that Tisas will make an all steel Officer size in the future, whether it be black or stainless. At this point I would personally prefer a black one since I'm covered for stainless
Funny thing is, you are the main reason why I was initially shooting for the Tisas offerings. When the rubber met the road though, thinking about what all I wanted to do, the RIA won out. I had no idea at the time that it was the other one you had recently acquired and had been doing all the smithin on. Great minds think alike? Or are we just 2 goofballs? Really hoping it’s the 1st one! ;)

[BirdsThaWord]

This makes my 4th SP101. My others were .357 (2 sold when the S&W 640 won my heart). And an older 6-round 4” .22LR which I’ll keep 4-evah.
So why don’t you like SP101’s? :boink:

[BirdsThaWord]

Nice, I like that barrel length. Mine is in 357.
I’ve wanted a GP100, or an Alaskan for a polishing project since seeing them. I think the lines kind of make for a “steam punk” look, or just a real beefy look to them. Kind of what I like in the looks of some of the old top breaks. I want one!!!!

[dao]

Funny thing is, you are the main reason why I was initially shooting for the Tisas offerings. When the rubber met the road though, thinking about what all I wanted to do, the RIA won out. I had no idea at the time that it was the other one you had recently acquired and had been doing all the smithin on. Great minds think alike? Or are we just 2 goofballs? Really hoping it’s the 1st one! ;)

Well I can't speak for you Bird, but my Mom's nickname amongst her brothers and sisters was Goofy. I'm told I didn't fall very far from the tree. Still, if my RIA shoots as well as the Tisas' I've had and shot, I'll be happy with it now that I've removed the "paint" from the flats, and replaced some of the small bits. For you I think it represents a brand new, blank canvas that you can turn into a beautiful object. Harder to do that with a coated gun. For me I have it as shiny as I would want it to be, for carry purposes. And for what my lack of patience will allow.

BTW I think all 1911 extractors are bent to some degree. It's how they are tensioned (ie adjusted). I could be wrong on some of the higher tiered guns, like customs. But if you think about it, if the hook does not protrude inward from the inside edge of the channel it would likely not extend inward past the edge of the case rim. And they do act as a spring of sorts when latching onto and letting go of the case, so my hunch is that they are all bent to some degree. And 9mm have to be bent more to grab the smaller diameter of the case rim. So when being removed they have to be pushed outward more in order to get the hook "inside" the channel as it's being pushed or pulled out of the slide. The Weigand tool allows you to increase or decrease that bend in order to arrive at the proper tension. A good gunsmith with lots of experience probably does it by feel. I am not a gunsmith by any stretch and cannot get it done right by feel. Proper tensioning for autos is between 25 and 28ozs. Anything above or below will probably result in erratic extraction/ejection and FTE's, according to the things I've read.

[Bawanna]

Your correct, all 1911 extractors are bent. Even the top shelf, cost as much as my truck models.

[jeepster09]

I’ve wanted a GP100, or an Alaskan for a polishing project since seeing them. I think the lines kind of make for a “steam punk” look, or just a real beefy look to them. Kind of what I like in the looks of some of the old top breaks. I want one!!!!

Here you go.....:cool:

[BirdsThaWord]

Here you go.....:cool:
OMG! Drool, drool, drool! Is it wrong to want to sleep with a revolver?

[BirdsThaWord]

Well I can't speak for you Bird, but my Mom's nickname amongst her brothers and sisters was Goofy. I'm told I didn't fall very far from the tree. Still, if my RIA shoots as well as the Tisas' I've had and shot, I'll be happy with it now that I've removed the "paint" from the flats, and replaced some of the small bits. For you I think it represents a brand new, blank canvas that you can turn into a beautiful object. Harder to do that with a coated gun. For me I have it as shiny as I would want it to be, for carry purposes. And for what my lack of patience will allow.

BTW I think all 1911 extractors are bent to some degree. It's how they are tensioned (ie adjusted). I could be wrong on some of the higher tiered guns, like customs. But if you think about it, if the hook does not protrude inward from the inside edge of the channel it would likely not extend inward past the edge of the case rim. And they do act as a spring of sorts when latching onto and letting go of the case, so my hunch is that they are all bent to some degree. And 9mm have to be bent more to grab the smaller diameter of the case rim. So when being removed they have to be pushed outward more in order to get the hook "inside" the channel as it's being pushed or pulled out of the slide. The Weigand tool allows you to increase or decrease that bend in order to arrive at the proper tension. A good gunsmith with lots of experience probably does it by feel. I am not a gunsmith by any stretch and cannot get it done right by feel. Proper tensioning for autos is between 25 and 28ozs. Anything above or below will probably result in erratic extraction/ejection and FTE's, according to the things I've read.

10-4! I really thought that you meant that they (in that specific gunl) were more of a sort of bommerang shape (which would still make sense as the end of each boomerang leg resting against the tunnel with either greater or lesser force would provide either less or more "spring". On the newer (usually poly guns) I noticed that they have acheived this effect by breaking up the extractor, putting a spring in there and then an specifically angled"actuating rod" that rides sgainst the extractor (just like on our kahrs), while others (external extractors) use a pivoting spring force. Interesting engineering and always impressed how those guys figured out different methods to acheive the same result.

[Armybrat]

This makes my 4th SP101. My others were .357 (2 sold when the S&W 640 won my heart). And an older 6-round 4” .22LR which I’ll keep 4-evah.
Congrats John!
The fact that the .327 SP is a six shooter is a bonus.
I put these Altamont “snake skin” grip inserts on mine.

[JohnR]

I like the inserts it came with, a darker wood.

That polished Alaskan makes me drool, too!

[JohnR]

So why don’t you like SP101’s? :boink:
I’ve bought, sold, and re-bought Kahrs, too. Call me crazy.

[BirdsThaWord]

I’ve bought, sold, and re-bought Kahrs, too. Call me crazy.
Well, I must admit the same. We don’t know what we’ve got till it’s gone. Quit a few I’d buy again if I had the chance and the dough.

[Barth]

Well, I must admit the same. We don’t know what we’ve got till it’s gone. Quit a few I’d buy again if I had the chance and the dough.
Only handgun I ever sold was a SS UPSc 45 that I bought NIB with a decocker only (no manual safety) and factory NS.
Special ordered it that way from the factory.
Didn't know at the time that HK guns use a cover up sight picture.
So I consistently shot low :eek:
After a couple of embarrassing shooting sessions with my friends I was unsuccessfully practicing at an indoor range.
After complaining to the range officer about how unhappy I was with the gun.
He offered to pay me cash for what I paid new for the gun and I bit.
Special ordered a NIB Sig P220 45 two-tone with factory nickel plating that I still have today.
Years later I learned of the sight picture thingy and that you could get sights that gave an American Sight Picture.
By then HK had stopped producing guns with Stainless Steel slides though :(
Years later they produced some batches of USPc guns in Stainless again and I replaced that gun :)
I don't sell guns anymore...

I've told that story several times.
We start repeating ourselves as we get older - LOL!
My apologies to the long time members that hear the same stories over and over...

[BirdsThaWord]

Well you learn your lesson quicker than others. I’ve had a few multi gun sell offs for reasons that seemed great at the time, but which I now regret. Took me a while, but think I’ve learned my lesson.

[Barth]

Well you learn your lesson quicker than others. I’ve had a few multi gun sell offs for reasons that seemed great at the time, but which I now regret. Took me a while, but think I’ve learned my lesson.

Since you like the shinny - LOL!
Here is the replacement UPSc 45.
It's been converted to a Light LEM trigger and I had Heinie Straight Eight NS installed.
It's a keeper :cool:
https://i.imgur.com/b9AFtS3.jpg?1

[BirdsThaWord]

Since you like the shinny - LOL!
Here is the replacement UPSc 45.
It's been converted to a Light LEM trigger and I had Heinie Straight Eight NS installed.
It's a keeper :cool:
https://i.imgur.com/b9AFtS3.jpg?1
Nice one! Tasteful upgrades and in just the right caliber! :cool::cool::cool:

[dao]

OMG! Drool, drool, drool! Is it wrong to want to sleep with a revolver?

So long as it isn't MY revolver I see no issues with you sleeping with one Bird :D


Congrats John!
The fact that the .327 SP is a six shooter is a bonus.
I put these Altamont “snake skin” grip inserts on mine.

That Sir, is beauteous, if I may be so bold as to butcher the English language. Very tastefully done!


Well you learn your lesson quicker than others. I’ve had a few multi gun sell offs for reasons that seemed great at the time, but which I now regret. Took me a while, but think I’ve learned my lesson.

I "sold" many, but only to purchase replacements for them. Unfortunately in a lot of cases I have later traded those replacements for other replacements. And left me wishing on some occasions that I still had the ones that are gone. Nature of the beast I guess. But the silver lining is that I still have something, after the transactions to admire and shoot.

[Bawanna]

I'm not seeing any picture.

[Barth]

Nice one! Tasteful upgrades and in just the right caliber! :cool::cool::cool:
Thanks.
For years I swore I wasn't a collector.
Told myself and others that I only bought guns I needed and would actually use.
But after regaining my SS USPc 45.
I preceded to purchase two more SS USPc guns!
One in 9mm and one in 40 S&W for the Trifecta :cool:
A this point I had to realize that I'm a liar - LOL!

[BirdsThaWord]

Thanks.
For years I swore I wasn't a collector.
Told myself and others that I only bought guns I needed and would actually use.
But after regaining my SS USPc 45.
I preceded to purchase two more SS USPc guns!
One in 9mm and one in 40 S&W for the Trifecta :cool:
A this point I had to realize that I'm a liar - LOL!


They just suck us right in, don't they?!?! 😁 Something tells me there will be more HK's in your future. Prove me wrong! 😂

[BirdsThaWord]

dao, what if I warsh that revolver real good before returning it? 😂:puke: Eeeeeeew!

[kenemoore]

Y'all know we need to start a new thread, something like BSing about guns. This one has over 2000 post.
Anyhow, so far, I have only let two guns go. I bought a Bersa .380 at a great price, used. It shot great, it was a blow back design, fairly large, similar to a Beretta .380.
Sold to a woman, who liked the minimal recoil.
2nd one was a Ruger LCR in .357, I bought it from a guy who said, he could not handle the recoil, came with 45 rounds of .357 ammo.
I figured he was a pu$$y and I would be the boss. WOW, it hurt my hand so much shooting full load .357 magnums. It felt like a fire cr@cker went off in my hand (I know how that feels, from an ill spent youth),
I traded it (and 35 rounds) for a Gen3, Glock 19, with tritium sites, and had a trigger job, I was happy with the trade.

So...today, I have a hand full of pistols, I shoot all the time, most of them, I rarely shoot. Since I'm getting older, with no kids, have been thinking about selling a few. But can't bring myself to part with them.

[Bawanna]

That's me too. I should be parting with them although I have kids who will have a field day when they nail the lid shut. I kind of consider them a 401K for the wife who undoubtedly and hopefully will out live me. Alas I still find myself adding too, can't part with any. Sold or traded several and regretted it every single time. Looking back some of the trades were genuine foolishness. Can't believe I did that kind of thing.
Me and my son rented a LCR which I think is what you meant instead of LCP. Had to use range ammo. I shot one cylinder and told my son it was all his. Fire ******* in hand is fitting although it might have been an M80. I had no use or desire for that thing.

[dao]

OMG! Drool, drool, drool! Is it wrong to want to sleep with a revolver?

dao, what if I warsh that revolver real good before returning it? :puke: Eeeeeeew!

Well, if it isn't mine don't matter to me if you warsh it or not. If it was mine though, I'd have to divorce her, er I mean it, afterwards :D


That's me too. I should be parting with them although I have kids who will have a field day when they nail the lid shut. I kind of consider them a 401K for the wife who undoubtedly and hopefully will out live me. Alas I still find myself adding too, can't part with any. Sold or traded several and regretted it every single time. Looking back some of the trades were genuine foolishness. Can't believe I did that kind of thing.
Me and my son rented a LCR which I think is what you meant instead of LCP. Had to use range ammo. I shot one cylinder and told my son it was all his. Fire ******* in hand is fitting although it might have been an M80. I had no use or desire for that thing.

I tell my wife the same thing Colonel. I even have a buyer lined up for her who she knows. Easy peasy for her to put them all in her car and walk them into his store. If they don't go down in the boat before then that is.

[berettabone]

I've sold but mostly traded many. It gave me the opportunity to shoot many different handguns without spending lots of denaro. It also gives that opportunity to others. I wish I had a few back. Had a Walther P99AS, pretty slick firearm. Not worth a lot but I liked it. Had a Sig P220 SAS that was really nice, but I only keep what I'm going to shoot. Grip was a bit large for my hand. I sold a mint older model Ruger Speed Six in 9mm stainless. My type of firearm. That one physically hurt. I did sell it to a guy who fell and injured his wrist pretty bad. He and his wife were avid shooters, and he couldn't work a slide anymore. I thought he was going to cry when he saw it and the fact that I was willing to sell it to him. So, it took a bit of the sting away.....................

[dao]

I've sold but mostly traded many. It gave me the opportunity to shoot many different handguns without spending lots of denaro. It also gives that opportunity to others. I wish I had a few back. Had a Walther P99AS, pretty slick firearm. Not worth a lot but I liked it. Had a Sig P220 SAS that was really nice, but I only keep what I'm going to shoot. Grip was a bit large for my hand. I sold a mint older model Ruger Speed Six in 9mm stainless. My type of firearm. That one physically hurt. I did sell it to a guy who fell and injured his wrist pretty bad. He and his wife were avid shooters, and he couldn't work a slide anymore. I thought he was going to cry when he saw it and the fact that I was willing to sell it to him. So, it took a bit of the sting away.....................

That Sir, is a great reason to sell a gun...

[BirdsThaWord]

Well, if it isn't mine don't matter to me if you warsh it or not. If it was mine though, I'd have to divorce her, er I mean it, afterwards :D
;););)

I’m like you guys, other than a few sell offs to do what I thought was wise at the time (needed $)…
I started out trying to find the perfect gun. The best one for carry, the best one for the home defense role, the best one for the pocket. This one would pinch me. That one would not drop a mag. Then one would not have such a good grip feel. Etc. etc. I would let it go, use the funds for the next, but mean while get to shoot that new to me one for a bit at literally no cost because I either sold the last one or because I traded for the new one.
These days though, kinda set on the carry, the nightstand, the wife’s gun. Now it’s all about either getting cool stuff, stuff I’m feeling is a good retirement diversification plan, or something I see as a diamond in the rough and can be prettied up while having fun with it.

[Barth]

I think all of us have been in the never ending search for the perfect carry and/or nightstand gun.
Thing is, it seems like the journey may be more important than the destination.
Even when it feels like I've finally got things sorted out?
I'm still not satisfied and want to carry on the search :D

[BirdsThaWord]

I think all of us have been in the never ending search for the perfect carry and/or nightstand gun.
Thing is, it seems like the journey may be more important than the destination.
Even when it feels like I've finally got things sorted out?
I'm still not satisfied and want to carry on the search :D
You aint wrong man!

[JohnR]

I had a Bersa 380 too. Nothing wrong with it, it was nice, but the grip cramped my fingers. It felt too small. And my hands are average sized.

[JohnR]

I think all of us have been in the never ending search for the perfect carry and/or nightstand gun.
Thing is, it seems like the journey may be more important than the destination.
Even when it feels like I've finally got things sorted out?
I'm still not satisfied and want to carry on the search :D
Does that apply to wimmin, too?

Asking for a friend. :cool:

[BirdsThaWord]

I had a Bersa 380 too. Nothing wrong with it, it was nice, but the grip cramped my fingers. It felt too small. And my hands are average sized.

Clean example of one in a pawn shop near me for $150. Was tempted, but I would not get around to shooting it.

[berettabone]

https://www.kahrtalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=20744&stc=1&d=1707593221 Speaking of hats..........everyone in the family wears one. Keeps the head warm and the sun out of the eyes and the bird s#!t out of the hair.

[yqtszhj]

Does that apply to wimmin, too?

Asking for a friend. :cool:

Oh, that’s dangerous ground there. Searching for the perfect gun is like a fun game. Searching for the perfect wimmin is like going on safari and includes all the risk. Wild animals that want to eat you, quick sand, cannibals, head hunters, slave traders, those that hold you for ransom, the natives are all painted up, b00bie traps, and more risk that can be named.

Best to find one that doesn’t cost too much and fits what’s inside your waistband and just maintain that one. With proper maintenance it can serve a good purpose for a long time.

[BirdsThaWord]

^^^^ Well said!

[dao]

As my wife would say, "Awwwww".

Love our Shepherds too.

Life is easier with one woman. And more than one gun. More gratifying too. Oddly, less dangerous as well.

[Barth]

Does that apply to wimmin, too?

Asking for a friend. :cool:

My daughter has been clear and vocal about wanting all my guns.
The answer is a resounding yes :D

[Barth]

Oh, that’s dangerous ground there. Searching for the perfect gun is like a fun game. Searching for the perfect wimmin is like going on safari and includes all the risk. Wild animals that want to eat you, quick sand, cannibals, head hunters, slave traders, those that hold you for ransom, the natives are all painted up, b00bie traps, and more risk that can be named.

Best to find one that doesn’t cost too much and fits what’s inside your waistband and just maintain that one. With proper maintenance it can serve a good purpose for a long time.

LOL, I completely misunderstood the question :eek:
For me absolutely not.
I've been married twice and had to weather four divorces!
Don't ask how that's possible, truth is stranger than fiction :mad:
I'm a slow learner but after being burned at the stake over and over.
I'm done.
Can't possibly imagine surviving one more divorce (financially or emotionally).
Won't take the chance.
I'm living the rest of my life happy and free!
https://y.yarn.co/fb863924-c962-44bd-afea-1f801465dacc_text.gif

[JohnR]

Oh, that’s dangerous ground there. Searching for the perfect gun is like a fun game. Searching for the perfect wimmin is like going on safari and includes all the risk. Wild animals that want to eat you, quick sand, cannibals, head hunters, slave traders, those that hold you for ransom, the natives are all painted up, b00bie traps, and more risk that can be named.

Best to find one that doesn’t cost too much and fits what’s inside your waistband and just maintain that one. With proper maintenance it can serve a good purpose for a long time.
So, just marry a Glock. :cool:

[berettabone]

So, just marry a Glock. :cool: That's one of the sickest things I've ever heard..........:rolleyes:

[berettabone]

https://www.kahrtalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=20756&stc=1&d=1707669572 One of the one's that got away......................

[jeepster09]

As I said before.....

https://youtu.be/Yw02DhS5eLk?si=q5NaytFQGnO_prj3

[dao]

Oh, that’s dangerous ground there. Searching for the perfect gun is like a fun game. Searching for the perfect wimmin is like going on safari and includes all the risk. Wild animals that want to eat you, quick sand, cannibals, head hunters, slave traders, those that hold you for ransom, the natives are all painted up, b00bie traps, and more risk that can be named.

Best to find one that doesn’t cost too much and fits what’s inside your waistband and just maintain that one. With proper maintenance it can serve a good purpose for a long time.


^^^^ Well said!

Amen!


As I said before.....

https://youtu.be/Yw02DhS5eLk?si=q5NaytFQGnO_prj3

Happy wife, happy life...

[JohnR]

That's one of the sickest things I've ever heard..........:rolleyes:
Kathi Glock is available now, just sayin’.

https://www.promi.at/fotos/Kathrin-Glock/ATI_7869.jpg

[yqtszhj]

So, just marry a Glock. :cool:

Only if you prefer them on the thick and chunky side. :rolleyes:

[yqtszhj]

Kathi Glock is available now, just sayin’.

https://www.promi.at/fotos/Kathrin-Glock/ATI_7869.jpg

Run from that one, no matter what she is worth. Something about those eyes and that smile scares me. Reminds me of the babysitter in the Addams family movie that wanted to marry uncle fester then knock him off for his money.

[getsome]

Looks like Hillary eyes to me, stare at them long enough and you too will commit suicide…….

[berettabone]

Whoever tattooed those eyebrows on did some fine work...........

[dao]

Installed new WC triggers in my RIA and my Colt OACP. No pics of the Colt, but here's the RIA. Learned a lot. I'll probably still take them both apart at some point and lightly stone the sears, for burrs only. There's a tiny bit of creep in the Colt. But both triggers break at about 3.5lbs now. I'm more partial to solid triggers than skeletonized. I may end up doing others to standardize on length.

Before with the shiny 3-hole, and after with the solid WC

[yqtszhj]

That’s much improved over the stock trigger and finish.

[BirdsThaWord]

Installed new WC triggers in my RIA and my Colt OACP. No pics of the Colt, but here's the RIA. Learned a lot. I'll probably still take them both apart at some point and lightly stone the sears, for burrs only. There's a tiny bit of creep in the Colt. But both triggers break at about 3.5lbs now. I'm more partial to solid triggers than skeletonized. I may end up doing others to standardize on length.

Before with the shiny 3-hole, and after with the solid WC
Sorry dao, but I’m gonna have to copy you on this one. That trigger looks like a major improvement. In touching and looking at the stock RIA trigger, I’m thinking it is a chrome plated steel? Hammer kinda looks the same. Definitely parts that can be upgraded.
Love what you’ve done with this one so far. Looking more like a high end custom!!!

[JohnR]

I put Wolff springs in the SP101. It was 10-12# DA with the OEM springs. With the 10# hammer spring and lighter trigger return spring, the DA pull is 8.5# and SA is about 3.5. Easy to stage, same feel as my GP100 now. I didn't polish anything, I'll see how it shoots and then decide if it's worth shining up the insides.

[BirdsThaWord]

I put Wolff springs in the SP101. It was 10-12# DA with the OEM springs. With the 10# hammer spring and lighter trigger return spring, the DA pull is 8.5# and SA is about 3.5. Easy to stage, same feel as my GP100 now. I didn't polish anything, I'll see how it shoots and then decide if it's worth shining up the insides.
I'm curious to hear the results.

[BirdsThaWord]

Hey dao, You posted up a while back about a tool for removing an extractor. I just learned why. I've never removed one like on the RIA, where the hook hung out past the hole. PITA. I think my boomerang shape analogy was not far off. Had to use one small punch to push the hook back and one to leverage the extractor out from the hammer pin stop slot. Sheez!

[Bawanna]

You just picked it up and your already tearing it apart? No bonding, no foreplay, no get to know each other?

[BirdsThaWord]

You just picked it up and your already tearing it apart? No bonding, no foreplay, no get to know each other?

What better way to get to know it than to strip it neckid? :rolleyes:
But in all honesty, I did look it over a few mins first. :D

[Bawanna]

Pervert.

[BirdsThaWord]

Pervert.
You aint wrong, ya know?!?!

[JohnR]

You just picked it up and your already tearing it apart? No bonding, no foreplay, no get to know each other?
I thought you meant me :D. And yeah, I’m like Bird.

Being my 4th SP101, I already know her pretty well, so let’s get straight to it.

[BirdsThaWord]

I thought you meant me :D. And yeah, I’m like Bird.

Being my 4th SP101, I already know her pretty well, so let’s get straight to it.

Another man of action! Or pervert, as we are now labeled! ;) Can't keep up all these new words and labels these days. My birthing person must have raised me to be intellectually challenged.

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[dao]

Sorry dao, but I’m gonna have to copy you on this one. That trigger looks like a major improvement. In touching and looking at the stock RIA trigger, I’m thinking it is a chrome plated steel? Hammer kinda looks the same. Definitely parts that can be upgraded.
Love what you’ve done with this one so far. Looking more like a high end custom!!!

It is chrome plated. Feels heavy enough to be steel. The truth will be in the pudding, when I get it to the range. Until I can prove that it shoots well and dependably it's pretty much a heavy paperweight.


Hey dao, You posted up a while back about a tool for removing an extractor. I just learned why. I've never removed one like on the RIA, where the hook hung out past the hole. PITA. I think my boomerang shape analogy was not far off. Had to use one small punch to push the hook back and one to leverage the extractor out from the hammer pin stop slot. Sheez!

Yep, it was a challenge to get it out. I got the tool yesterday. No small amount of ingenuity involved in creating it. If I get the RIA to the range and find it's exhibiting bad extractor symptoms that tool is going to save me some frustration.


I thought you meant me :D. And yeah, I’m like Bird.

Being my 4th SP101, I already know her pretty well, so let’s get straight to it.

Me too John. Or at least I used to be. Too old to get straight to most anything these days. Though I do have some fond memories left. But you know I can't agree with the Colonel on this one. More like a good bird dog who charges right in to find that duck. :)

[JohnR]

Another man of action! Or pervert, as we are now labeled! ;)


Can't I be both? Pretty please?

[JohnR]

I did get her a new dress.

https://i.postimg.cc/hjyMP02T/2024-02-14-07-23-17.jpg

[BirdsThaWord]

I did get her a new dress.

https://i.postimg.cc/hjyMP02T/2024-02-14-07-23-17.jpgAnd what a fancy dress! She looks good in it. Not sure if you’d share such a pic, but once her wig arrives…:behindsofa: You’ve got me wishing I started my project with yours, not the snubby version.

[BirdsThaWord]

It is chrome plated. Feels heavy enough to be steel. The truth will be in the pudding, when I get it to the range. Until I can prove that it shoots well and dependably it's pretty much a heavy paperweight.



Yep, it was a challenge to get it out. I got the tool yesterday. No small amount of ingenuity involved in creating it. If I get the RIA to the range and find it's exhibiting bad extractor symptoms that tool is going to save me some frustration.



Me too John. Or at least I used to be. Too old to get straight to most anything these days. Though I do have some fond memories left. But you know I can't agree with the Colonel on this one. More like a good bird dog who charges right in to find that duck. :)
dao, how are you doing that? Putting multiple quotes in one reply?

[jeepster09]

dao is a GENIUS.....:angel:

[Armybrat]

I did get her a new dress.

https://i.postimg.cc/hjyMP02T/2024-02-14-07-23-17.jpg

Hey, now you’re talking !
Where did you find those beautiful grips?

[dao]

dao, how are you doing that? Putting multiple quotes in one reply?

On the bottom right of each post there are three buttons, Reply, Reply with Quote, and the one in the corner which is a + sign next to a speech bubble (aka MultiQuote). Click the speech bubble for each post you want to quote. When you find the last one you want to quote, select Reply with quote. Then all the posts that you selected with multi-quote and reply with quote will be in your reply window.


dao is a GENIUS.....:angel:

No jeep, I just spend alot of (as in, too much), time on the interwebs. :D

[dao]

Classy!

[JohnR]

Hey, now you’re talking !
Where did you find those beautiful grips?
Rat cheer! https://grips4u.net/category/pistol-grips/ruger/ruger-sp-101/

[Bawanna]

So testing for computer challenged persona.


And again to repeat myself.



And I see what happened here.
Ready for launch.

[Bawanna]

Dismal failure #1.

[Bawanna]

How are you holding your mouth when you do this multi quote thingy? Straight, curved up like you got a new gun, or down like the flood took them all?

[berettabone]

I put Wolff springs in the SP101. It was 10-12# DA with the OEM springs. With the 10# hammer spring and lighter trigger return spring, the DA pull is 8.5# and SA is about 3.5. Easy to stage, same feel as my GP100 now. I didn't polish anything, I'll see how it shoots and then decide if it's worth shining up the insides. I'm interested in how you like it also. If you have some miles on it, it may have deburred some on its own. I did the internal polish. Figured as long as the trigger assembly was out, might as well. What weight trigger return spring did you install?

[Bawanna]

Hey, now you’re talking !
Where did you find those beautiful grips?


On the bottom right of each post there are three buttons, Reply, Reply with Quote, and the one in the corner which is a + sign next to a speech bubble (aka MultiQuote). Click the speech bubble for each post you want to quote. When you find the last one you want to quote, select Reply with quote. Then all the posts that you selected with multi-quote and reply with quote will be in your reply window.



No jeep, I just spend alot of (as in, too much), time on the interwebs. :D


dao, how are you doing that? Putting multiple quotes in one reply?


Another man of action! Or pervert, as we are now labeled! ;) Can't keep up all these new words and labels these days. My birthing person must have raised me to be intellectually challenged.

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I'm interested in how you like it also. If you have some miles on it, it may have deburred some on its own. I did the internal polish. Figured as long as the trigger assembly was out, might as well. What weight trigger return spring did you install?

Is swapping these spring challenging? I've not tried, kind of looking to see how the assembly even comes out.

[berettabone]

Should be a snap for you. The hammer spring is really easy. The trigger return is more difficult because it's so small and in a tunnel. Probably more difficult to get the trigger assembly out.

[JohnR]

Dismal failure #1.
So far so good…

How are you holding your mouth when you do this multi quote thingy? Straight, curved up like you got a new gun, or down like the flood took them all?
Bam!

I'm interested in how you like it also. If you have some miles on it, it may have deburred some on its own. I did the internal polish. Figured as long as the trigger assembly was out, might as well. What weight trigger return spring did you install?
The Wolff kit only comes with one of those.

[Bawanna]

Installed new WC triggers in my RIA and my Colt OACP. No pics of the Colt, but here's the RIA. Learned a lot. I'll probably still take them both apart at some point and lightly stone the sears, for burrs only. There's a tiny bit of creep in the Colt. But both triggers break at about 3.5lbs now. I'm more partial to solid triggers than skeletonized. I may end up doing others to standardize on length.

Before with the shiny 3-hole, and after with the solid WC

All this chat about mag wells, I wanted to try and fit in. I had no concept that they are so bloody expensive. Holy Smokes! I was just looking like I say to fit in. I'll have to hang out around the group. Don't need one or want one that bad ya know?

[dao]

How are you holding your mouth when you do this multi quote thingy? Straight, curved up like you got a new gun, or down like the flood took them all?

I think you've got it. HTML quotes start with a left bracket, quote, right bracket and end with a closing left bracket, /quote right bracket . I have to write it that way because if I write exactly as you see it in the reply, you would not see them when the post is rendered. So, when you multi-quote you can write in between the end of one and the start of another.


All this chat about mag wells, I wanted to try and fit in. I had no concept that they are so bloody expensive. Holy Smokes! I was just looking like I say to fit in. I'll have to hang out around the group. Don't need one or want one that bad ya know?

What are you thinking of putting one on Colonel?

[Bawanna]

Probably a Magnum Research 1911G. I have a Remington, and a Wilson but the MRI would probably be it. Only though about it since you did some. I'd never even thought of it before.
At first I thought about a Commander but mine is bobtailed so it wouldn't work. Wait I have an MRI commander that isn't, might work on that.......

Still not getting this multi quote thing but I'll try again tomorrow. I'm persistent if nothing else.

[berettabone]

So far so good…

Bam!

The Wolff kit only comes with one of those. I'm assuming it was 10#

[Bawanna]

Probably a Magnum Research 1911G. I have a Remington, and a Wilson but the MRI would probably be it. Only though about it since you did some. I'd never even thought of it before.
At first I thought about a Commander but mine is bobtailed so it wouldn't work. Wait I have an MRI commander that isn't, might work on that.......

Still not getting this multi quote thing but I'll try again tomorrow. I'm persistent if nothing else.

Well scratch this and schedule ahlzeimers test. I bobtailed both the MRI Commander and the Remington, so it would be a full size MRI. Not messing with the Wilson. Again just a whim circling in my head for a bit. I'll be ok.

[JohnR]

I'm assuming it was 10#
I looked at the package, it says 9#.

[jeepster09]

Any one have a Glock 30S? Been thinking I might need one.

[BirdsThaWord]

Any one have a Glock 30S? Been thinking I might need one.

Had to look that one up. That is a pretty small, light weight 45 if there ever was one. Yer gonna have fun with that one at the range!

[Bawanna]

I had a 30 for a while and a 36. I liked the slim and fit of the 36 but I shot the 30 far better for some unexplained reason. It was with the 30 that I nailed a muskrat in the middle of the night swimming at 30 plus yards. I have witness's. Million to one shot, never to be duplicated by myself but happened. If wondering why I shot a poor muskrat in the middle of the night, they get into the docks and rot them out. The resort has now gone to plastic floats so no longer an issue but of course now we dont see muskrats much.

[BirdsThaWord]

Thanks dao! I appreciate it. I will give it a shot next time, rather than the one at a time stuff. Is this an example of an old dog teaching a new dog tricks? ;)

[Bawanna]

Had to look that one up. That is a pretty small, light weight 45 if there ever was one. Yer gonna have fun with that one at the range!

It was surprisingly not the least bit uncomfortable to shoot.

[jeepster09]

Ever shoot the 30S? Wondering if it's tolerable.

[BirdsThaWord]

It was surprisingly not the least bit uncomfortable to shoot.
Well… you literally are Iron Man, so…

[BirdsThaWord]

Ever shoot the 30S? Wondering if it's tolerable.
Other than Iron Man, I’m curious. Seems like it would be like the CM40 was to me, in my hand at least.

[BirdsThaWord]

I had a 30 for a while and a 36. I liked the slim and fit of the 36 but I shot the 30 far better for some unexplained reason. It was with the 30 that I nailed a muskrat in the middle of the night swimming at 30 plus yards. I have witness's. Million to one shot, never to be duplicated by myself but happened. If wondering why I shot a poor muskrat in the middle of the night, they get into the docks and rot them out. The resort has now gone to plastic floats so no longer an issue but of course now we dont see muskrats much.
As you swam, with the abused villager girl you rescued hanging on to one arm, and the mud soaked 30 in the other hand, did the saber toothed muskrat fire it’s acidic venom at your eyes at the last second before you fired, as they typically do? So glad we don’t have those down hyunder!

[Bawanna]

Ever shoot the 30S? Wondering if it's tolerable.

Very tolerable. I was surprised. My K40 is a handull of M80, the 30S was no issue. Now that was some time ago, I might be more sensitive now but it wasn't bad at all.

[jeepster09]

Okay, good to know. I shouldn't even be looking but our local Fleet Farm has a 10% off sale until Monday on all guns.
I am thinking I may need either the Glock 30S or a Colt King Cobra 357. I looked at the Colt and really like the trigger. It is pretty sharp too considering they come
with polish job now. However the Colt is like $300 more.

[Bawanna]

What's a 30S go for now days? I know the 45's used to almost always be about 100 more than the 9's and 40's.

[jeepster09]

$550 range, Colt is $879

[JohnR]

Get the Colt! Glocks are a dime a dozen.

[BirdsThaWord]

Get the Colt! Glocks are a dime a dozen.
Great minds think alike!

[yqtszhj]

Very tolerable. I was surprised. My K40 is a handull of M80, the 30S was no issue. Now that was some time ago, I might be more sensitive now but it wasn't bad at all.

I’m with Bawanna. I had a 30s one time and it shoots good, but it didn’t quite fit my hand and was traded for a CZ.

[JohnR]

I once had a G36 and a Ruger P345. The G36 was only a tiny bit smaller, but held one less round. I came to my senses and sold the Glock.

[jeepster09]

Well.....it followed me home! :amflag:

6 rounds opposed to 5....nicer feeling trigger. Loaded weights and they can use same holsters.

[JohnR]

I snuck off to the indoor range with my new SP101. Damn, I love it. Shooting .32 S&W Long makes the coolest noise, just a "blam!" with zero recoil, makes me giggle like a schoolgirl. And .327 Federal Magnum is an authoritative "BANG!" with just enough recoil to feel like a serious caliber. The trigger feel was perfect, i.e. I didn't even notice it.

[Bawanna]

Should be a snap for you. The hammer spring is really easy. The trigger return is more difficult because it's so small and in a tunnel. Probably more difficult to get the trigger assembly out.

Well I'm gonna bit the punches, just ordered a spring kit from MCarbo. Watched a video. If yall hear some inappropriate language in a few days when it arrives, just cover your ears, I'll be fine. I might go out right now and try to take the thing apart. That'll give me time to hunt for lost parts and be ready to put em back with the new springs.

[BirdsThaWord]

Well.....it followed me home! :amflag:

6 rounds opposed to 5....nicer feeling trigger. Loaded weights and they can use same holsters.
Dang Jeep! Those are both super nice looking. I would love to have one, or even better, both! Congratulations my friend!

[BirdsThaWord]

I snuck off to the indoor range with my new SP101. Damn, I love it. Shooting .32 S&W Long makes the coolest noise, just a "blam!" with zero recoil, makes me giggle like a schoolgirl. And .327 Federal Magnum is an authoritative "BANG!" with just enough recoil to feel like a serious caliber. The trigger feel was perfect, i.e. I didn't even notice it.
I bet! I never got to shoot a .32 S&W Long I once had. At the time, ammo was scarce and expensive. I have watched videos of folks shooting them. Really what gun stores should be talking little old ladies into, instead of 357’s. Hope to try one one day. Glad you are enjoying it! : )

[BirdsThaWord]

Well I'm gonna bit the punches, just ordered a spring kit from MCarbo. Watched a video. If yall hear some inappropriate language in a few days when it arrives, just cover your ears, I'll be fine. I might go out right now and try to take the thing apart. That'll give me time to hunt for lost parts and be ready to put em back with the new springs.
Large zip locks are your friend! ;) I separated, to some degree, the little sections of the internals (this spring with the lever it pushed, that spring with the rod and pin that held it back, etc.) I have multiple little zip lock bags for that 1 gun. If I pass before I finish it, my wife is screwed. Some cat is gonna get lucky, seeing everything is there, but saying “oh wow, I have no way of knowing if it’s all there. It’ll take forever to put back together”, etc.

[JohnR]

Parts only launch when you don’t disassemble in a ziploc bag.

[yqtszhj]

Well.....it followed me home! :amflag:

6 rounds opposed to 5....nicer feeling trigger. Loaded weights and they can use same holsters.

Absolutely Beautiful

[BirdsThaWord]

Parts only launch when you don’t disassemble in a ziploc bag.

Yes! The trouble in finding them is one thing. The injuries another. I was careless taking out a Beretta 92fs hammer spring cap once. Sucker busted my lip real good and had me cussing it hurt so bad. I laugh now, but at that point in time :yell::yell: Could not believe how hard it hit me. Lil micro Tyson punch! Maybe I’ve told you this before…I’m becoming my old man.

[dao]

I'd be happy with either of them in my pocket.

[Bawanna]

I managed to get the SP101 22 apart and back together. I'm not gonna polish anything this trip. When the springs arrive I'll put them in and see how it goes. My trigger (actually the wifes gun) measures just like a video I watched. Little over 10lbs. If like they say it goes down to 6 DA and 3 SA it will be a whole new ball game. Kind of anxious to see if it works.
Tried this on the wifes Smith 638, as I recall I replaced one spring but got skeered on the 2nd so didn't do it. Didn't help much. Guess I'm a coward.

[Bawanna]

When I went to Beretta Armorer class many many years ago, a 3 day class, I think we spent about half the time looking for lost springs. Wasn't 10 minutes into it and my partner who was several seats away from me beaned me in the head with a recoil spring. The teacher, great guy had a standing rule. Look for about 5 minutes and if you can't find it, go to the parts box and get a new one.
Each evening I'd get out of the chair and find springs and detents I was sitting on, either hit me and dropped down or dropped myself. I still do that in my own room. Amazing where parts can hide.

[BirdsThaWord]

I’ve yet to take apart my 92S. Not looking forward to it based on the videos I’ve watched. But, if we can fully take apart an sp101’s trigger assembly, then it really shouldn’t be that tough.
I’ve been very lucky. My wife or son have found everything that has fallen or shot out of the guns I’ve worked on. One part (forget the gun mad the part) was found in the fold of the curtain in the window behind me.

[BirdsThaWord]

I managed to get the SP101 22 apart and back together. I'm not gonna polish anything this trip. When the springs arrive I'll put them in and see how it goes. My trigger (actually the wifes gun) measures just like a video I watched. Little over 10lbs. If like they say it goes down to 6 DA and 3 SA it will be a whole new ball game. Kind of anxious to see if it works.
Tried this on the wifes Smith 638, as I recall I replaced one spring but got skeered on the 2nd so didn't do it. Didn't help much. Guess I'm a coward.
@ 6 & 3 that should be a world of change. From what I’ve seen, the little polishing in there can all be done with a dremel, stones, files. But if what you did really gets it down to that then who cares?!

[JohnR]

Yes! The trouble in finding them is one thing. The injuries another. I was careless taking out a Beretta 92fs hammer spring cap once. Sucker busted my lip real good and had me cussing it hurt so bad. I laugh now, but at that point in time :yell::yell: Could not believe how hard it hit me. Lil micro Tyson punch! Maybe I’ve told you this before…I’m becoming my old man.
I shall respectfully hasten to depart from your lawn, sir! :D

[berettabone]

Well.....it followed me home! :amflag:

6 rounds opposed to 5....nicer feeling trigger. Loaded weights and they can use same holsters. A very nice pairing.

[kenemoore]

So...from my shade tree gunsmithing experience. Rim fired .22 pistols, should always have heavier triggers than a center fired pistol. It takes more "***" to fire a rim, versus a center fire. If you reduce the hammer spring to much, you may experience unwanted fail to fire events.

.22 revolvers will never have as nice of a trigger as a centerfire revolver, just the nature of the beast.

[berettabone]

@ 6 & 3 that should be a world of change. From what I’ve seen, the little polishing in there can all be done with a dremel, stones, files. But if what you did really gets it down to that then who cares?!Actually, it should be called a deburring. I've handled quite a few different SP's. On some of them, the triggers were not bad, with no grit, just a bit heavy for my liking. On others, they were heavy, gritty, and some had some rubbing on one side or the other between the hammer and the frame. That's why some have shim/shims put in to center the hammer. Some also take the slop out of the cylinder play by putting a washer in/on in front of the cylinder. I haven't taken the slight cyl. slop out of mine but do have hammer shims. The "polishing" and shimming does make a slight difference. I do shoot mine, so that also helps.....................

[berettabone]

I managed to get the SP101 22 apart and back together. I'm not gonna polish anything this trip. When the springs arrive I'll put them in and see how it goes. My trigger (actually the wifes gun) measures just like a video I watched. Little over 10lbs. If like they say it goes down to 6 DA and 3 SA it will be a whole new ball game. Kind of anxious to see if it works.
Tried this on the wifes Smith 638, as I recall I replaced one spring but got skeered on the 2nd so didn't do it. Didn't help much. Guess I'm a coward. Should be interesting. JohnR seems to be happy with his 10# 9# spring combo, mine is at 9# 8#, and I think your kit has the 9 1/2# 7 1/2#.

[JohnR]

Those springs are in the .327. My SP101 in .22, I bought used and have no idea what springs are in it, but the trigger is excellent. Not freakishly heavy.

[BirdsThaWord]

So...from my shade tree gunsmithing experience. Rim fired .22 pistols, should always have heavier triggers than a center fired pistol. It takes more "***" to fire a rim, versus a center fire. If you reduce the hammer spring to much, you may experience unwanted fail to fire events.

.22 revolvers will never have as nice of a trigger as a centerfire revolver, just the nature of the beast.
Exactly what I’ve read. Exactly what I’ve experienced. The few 22/22 mag revolvers I’ve had had the heaviest triggers I’ve had. That being said, co’s like Mcarbo have obviously taken that stuff into account. Their customers seem to be happy. My approach is that any smoothing of internals would only contribute to the end result of an upgrade such as theirs. If you have too light a spring, coupled with additional resistance of casting junk, metal boogers, burs, etc then you have a high likely hood of light strikes. Take that same spring, but remove any of those other resistances at play (at least the one’s related to the lighting off process) and the failure rate would decrease.

[BirdsThaWord]

Actually, it should be called a deburring. I've handled quite a few different SP's. On some of them, the triggers were not bad, with no grit, just a bit heavy for my liking. On others, they were heavy, gritty, and some had some rubbing on one side or the other between the hammer and the frame. That's why some have shim/shims put in to center the hammer. Some also take the slop out of the cylinder play by putting a washer in/on in front of the cylinder. I haven't taken the slight cyl. slop out of mine but do have hammer shims. The "polishing" and shimming does make a slight difference. I do shoot mine, so that also helps.....................
Very valid, experience related points sir! As I’ve read about them I see why you’ve brought those points up. So interesting to me to learn how each of those things can effect the other.

[jeepster09]

New shoes for the new gun....

[BirdsThaWord]

New shoes for the new gun....
OH WOW! Salivating over here!!!!!!!!!!

[Bawanna]

My Cobra, first close to real caliber gun I ever bought. It replaced a Colt Agent that got stolen. Yours is shinier. Mine was carried for many years in an earlier life.

My ebony grips with the original grips.

https://i.postimg.cc/8PDqbrg8/DSCN6882.jpg (https://postimg.cc/t7SSqJgD)

[JohnR]

Great grips on those snakes! That ebony begs to be caressed.

[Bawanna]

I bet those grips on jeepsters feel really good in the hand.

[BirdsThaWord]

Very tolerable. I was surprised. My K40 is a handull of M80, the 30S was no issue. Now that was some time ago, I might be more sensitive now but it wasn't bad at all.
The PM40 wax my first Kahr. Did not know guns too much back then. Carried it for maybe 6 months. Decided one day that I better test it out (in the back yard). After that, I could not get rid of that sucker quick enough. I think it was one of those older P series Rugers that I traded it for.

[BirdsThaWord]

Great grips on those snakes! That ebony begs to be caressed.
Agreed! Very nice combo there!

[Bawanna]

I managed to get the SP101 22 apart and back together. I'm not gonna polish anything this trip. When the springs arrive I'll put them in and see how it goes. My trigger (actually the wifes gun) measures just like a video I watched. Little over 10lbs. If like they say it goes down to 6 DA and 3 SA it will be a whole new ball game. Kind of anxious to see if it works.
Tried this on the wifes Smith 638, as I recall I replaced one spring but got skeered on the 2nd so didn't do it. Didn't help much. Guess I'm a coward.

Boy am I dumb, waiting for my SP101 Springs, I was routing through my stuff looking for something else and gosh durned if I didn't come across not one but two SP101 spring kits from Wilson???? Guess I couldn't figure out how to get in to the trigger so I set them aside, why I got two is a mystery although my original plan was to get the 357 for a pair, but found it to be too heavy for the wife's purse. I'll wait for the MCarbo kit as it has some hammer shims. I'll offer up at least one of these sets along with some other stuff in the swap, trade, give me that stuff thread.
Maybe this ahlzeimers stuff is real.

[BirdsThaWord]

Gib me dat!
I’m tempted, but am a little far away from getting back into the sp101 project. That, and like you I may need those shims. I can’t say. It’s been a bit since I fooled with it. All those poor little pieces, in separate little baggies, in the back of that dark closet, as the world turns.

[BirdsThaWord]

My Cobra, first close to real caliber gun I ever bought. It replaced a Colt Agent that got stolen. Yours is shinier. Mine was carried for many years in an earlier life.

My ebony grips with the original grips.

https://i.postimg.cc/8PDqbrg8/DSCN6882.jpg (https://postimg.cc/t7SSqJgD)
Those are nice Colonel! Looks like a full grip too. I can’t stand a danglin pinky, more so on something with kick.

[dao]

Got my ECO and RIA to the range today. Only put 100rds downrange between both of them. Bird, the RIA is a very soft shooter! I had one stovepipe with it, and a few failures to go completely into battery. A light push on the back of the slide was all it took to send it home though. Being a stainless gun I'm pretty sure it was a bit dry and that's what caused it, as I had it apart a few times since I oiled it initially. the stovepipe was more than likely my fault due to my grip. The extraction other than that one instance was consistent, so I think my adjustment to the extractor must have been pretty close to optimal. the 115gr ball I put through it barely lifted the muzzle. The 124gr HST I ran gave a bit more rise, but both were very soft, especially compared to my Colt OACP with 230gr ball :)

My ECO ran flawlessly with the exception of a couple of times where it stopped about 1/32" short of going completely into battery. Again just a soft push on the back of the slide sent it home. It too may have been a bit dry given that I had it apart a few times replacing the trigger, and then adjusting the sear spring to increase the trigger weight, since oiling it. I shot the ECO first and felt that it was extremely soft shooting. And it was, especially compared to my PM9 and P938. If not for the inevitable comparison to the RIA after then shooting it, which weighs half a pound more I would been even more impressed with the ECO.

Both guns felt great and helped me be a better shooter. While I love my Kahrs and their triggers, (hence my DAO screen name), it's hard to beat a 1911 trigger for enabling me to keep the front sight on target while I squeeze a shot.

Here are my Officers with their new triggers. I only replaced the triggers so they're all the same length now, and put a black one on the ECO, I did not do anything to the interface between the sear and hammer.

[Bawanna]

Gib me dat!
I’m tempted, but am a little far away from getting back into the sp101 project. That, and like you I may need those shims. I can’t say. It’s been a bit since I fooled with it. All those poor little pieces, in separate little baggies, in the back of that dark closet, as the world turns.

I put the Wilson springs in the SP101 22. It had a major impact on the single action, like down to under 3#, didn't seem to help on the scale as much only losing about 2 #'s but it feels a ton better with the finger. I'll see what the MCarbo springs look like and play a bit and see if I can get the DA down a bit more, although I'm completely happy as it is, feels better or maybe my finger is just having a good day?
Anyhow I'll have some springs and probably shims for ya, in case you get the box out of the back of the closet.

[BirdsThaWord]

Got my ECO and RIA to the range today. Only put 100rds downrange between both of them. Bird, the RIA is a very soft shooter! I had one stovepipe with it, and a few failures to go completely into battery. A light push on the back of the slide was all it took to send it home though. Being a stainless gun I'm pretty sure it was a bit dry and that's what caused it, as I had it apart a few times since I oiled it initially. the stovepipe was more than likely my fault due to my grip. The extraction other than that one instance was consistent, so I think my adjustment to the extractor must have been pretty close to optimal. the 115gr ball I put through it barely lifted the muzzle. The 124gr HST I ran gave a bit more rise, but both were very soft, especially compared to my Colt OACP with 230gr ball :)

My ECO ran flawlessly with the exception of a couple of times where it stopped about 1/32" short of going completely into battery. Again just a soft push on the back of the slide sent it home. It too may have been a bit dry given that I had it apart a few times replacing the trigger, and then adjusting the sear spring to increase the trigger weight, since oiling it. I shot the ECO first and felt that it was extremely soft shooting. And it was, especially compared to my PM9 and P938. If not for the inevitable comparison to the RIA after then shooting it, which weighs half a pound more I would been even more impressed with the ECO.

Both guns felt great and helped me be a better shooter. While I love my Kahrs and their triggers, (hence my DAO screen name), it's hard to beat a 1911 trigger for enabling me to keep the front sight on target while I squeeze a shot.

Here are my Officers with their new triggers. I only replaced the triggers so they're all the same length now, and put a black one on the ECO, I did not do anything to the interface between the sear and hammer.
Thanks for the report dao! It sounds like you are a happy camper with both of them. Those slights I too would attribute to break in an/or lube. Too new to say. Totally agree about the 1911 trigger. Nothing like it! : )
I was thinking the RIA would be a softy. It’s such a lil chunker for a 9mm. Lol! The mods you’ve done are very tasteful and it sounds like everything worked out well. Love it when a plan comes together! I’m getting me one of those Harrison triggers (as I posted in another forum) based on you getting them, but the mediums in silver were out of stock. Normally I’d be impatient and just go ahead with the WC version, but will be patient AND save a few bucks for doing so. So may parts/tools that are needed/wanted on these projects that I’m finding myself being extra frugal, but not pound foolish. Congrats again on a great day at the range with the dao improved officers!

[BirdsThaWord]

I put the Wilson springs in the SP101 22. It had a major impact on the single action, like down to under 3#, didn't seem to help on the scale as much only losing about 2 #'s but it feels a ton better with the finger. I'll see what the MCarbo springs look like and play a bit and see if I can get the DA down a bit more, although I'm completely happy as it is, feels better or maybe my finger is just having a good day?
Anyhow I'll have some springs and probably shims for ya, in case you get the box out of the back of the closet.
Awesome and thank you. Also, thanks for the report on the “seat of the pants” feel. I hope you’ll swap ‘em out and do a comparison report on the WC vs the MCarbo. I think I’d be fine either way, as I do intend to do all of those lil polishing points anyway, but would like for it to be the top notchest it can be! ;)

[dao]

Thanks Bird. I've found myself looking for neglected guns on GB that I can adopt, bring home, and tune up. Gotta wait for the right one to show up. And patience is not my long suit.

[BirdsThaWord]

Thanks Bird. I've found myself looking for neglected guns on GB that I can adopt, bring home, and tune up. Gotta wait for the right one to show up. And patience is not my long suit.
Ahhh, now you’ve been bitten by the bug, seeing the diamonds in the rough. I love getting a great deal by buying someone else’s easily fixable trouble, ill maintained, or Bubba’d up guns on the cheap. I wish I took pics of that early on project K9. Guy sold it to me for $300 for a reason. It was ROUGH!
Good luck on your hunt my friend. Finding those diamonds is half the fun if you ask me! :cool:

[dao]

Deagle anyone?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/e5zQ0LvMSVM

[Bawanna]

Kind a cool. For 68 bucks, something to fondle while your waiting for the piggy bank to fill for a new real gun. Looks pretty slick.

[BirdsThaWord]

Man that’s neat! You’d think with all the time, tooling, etc expense that went into producing those that it would cast more.

[BirdsThaWord]

I like this lil 1911 too:
https://youtu.be/5ZYshNr94Ng?si=G41YngiWg0u_Re9o

[dao]

They have a BUNCH of miniature guns. Very cool.

A Garand

https://www.goatguns.com/collections/goatguns/products/m1-garand

[Bawanna]

I have an AR15 Goat gun, my kids got me. Came as parts, just put it together which was easy and fast, it's pretty neat. I'd love the Garand, that's a nice one too.
The Deagle is from a different outfit isn't it. Not Goatguns.

[jeepster09]

Well wasn't planning on it......
Went to gun store today and traded my Mossberg Shockwave for a:

GLOCK 30 Gen5

The GLOCK 30 Gen5 pistol chambered in .45 AUTO offers excellent accuracy straight out of the box, with the added benefit of the ballistic power of the .45 AUTO cartridge. The GLOCK 30 Gen5 now features the GLOCK Marksman Barrel (GMB), delivering increased accuracy with polygonal rifling and an improved barrel crown. Other features include the removal of the finger grooves and an ambidextrous slide. It comes with front serrations (FS) which provide an additional tactile surface choice when manipulating the slide giving the operator positive traction even with wet or sweaty hand.


https://us.glock.com/en/pistols/g30-gen5

[Bawanna]

Good for you Jeep, know you were torn between the two, the revolver and the Glock. Now you got both. Happy dance! I liked my 30. It shot real well.

[BirdsThaWord]

Looks like a fine gun and all, but I just wish the frame came in green.

[Barth]

Well wasn't planning on it......
Went to gun store today and traded my Mossberg Shockwave for a:

GLOCK 30 Gen5

The GLOCK 30 Gen5 pistol chambered in .45 AUTO offers excellent accuracy straight out of the box, with the added benefit of the ballistic power of the .45 AUTO cartridge. The GLOCK 30 Gen5 now features the GLOCK Marksman Barrel (GMB), delivering increased accuracy with polygonal rifling and an improved barrel crown. Other features include the removal of the finger grooves and an ambidextrous slide. It comes with front serrations (FS) which provide an additional tactile surface choice when manipulating the slide giving the operator positive traction even with wet or sweaty hand.


https://us.glock.com/en/pistols/g30-gen5






One of Massad Ayoob's favorite carry guns at one time was a Glock 30.
I rented one at the range (Gen 3 I think?) and the extended mag kept biting my hand :(
So I passed.
Lot's of folks love those guns though.
Enjoy!
https://www.glockstore.com/assets/images/products/Glock-30S-10RD_main-1.jpg?resizeid=7&resizeh=275&resizew=275

[yqtszhj]

Well, it’s nothing fancy and only new to me. Was surfing the gunbroker listings of my local LE equipment distributor for ammo and saw this for cheap. Watched it for 2 weeks and no one bid on it so I felt sorry for it and bid the starting price and won. Frame is like new flawless and slide finish is almost perfect. Just my fingerprints showing in this picture. Import date was 11/20/2003, so it just had its 20th birthday. For way under 3 bills I’m pleased. Off to the range to shoot .40 next week. Oh, picked up 10 boxes of American Eagle 40 cal for $14 a box too. Pretty happy with that price.

[jeepster09]

I didn't care for the finger grooves on the 30S. This one being a new version Gen 5 has no finger grooves and has front slide serrations with slide release on both sides.
It also is not the 30S. It is a 30 on the SF frame. Feels real good, he just got it in and said they just came out in the Gen 5 version. He even threw in 2 extra mags for a total of 5.

[Barth]

I didn't care for the finger grooves on the 30S. This one being a new version Gen 5 has no finger grooves and has front slide serrations with slide release on both sides.
It also is not the 30S. It is a 30 on the SF frame. Feels real good, he just got it in and said they just came out in the Gen 5 version. He even threw in 2 extra mags for a total of 5.

Looking for a Range Report soon :D

[yqtszhj]

I didn't care for the finger grooves on the 30S. This one being a new version Gen 5 has no finger grooves and has front slide serrations with slide release on both sides.
It also is not the 30S. It is a 30 on the SF frame. Feels real good, he just got it in and said they just came out in the Gen 5 version. He even threw in 2 extra mags for a total of 5.

I like that gen 5. The finger grooves on the 30s I had didn’t fit me either (nor did my gen 4 g26). I bet that will be a sweet shooting pistol. Let us know.

[yqtszhj]

Did they include a flush baseplate for the mag on the g30? Seems like if I’m remembering correctly the previous versions had one flat and one extended?

[jeepster09]

They used to have 9 round mags, perhaps those had flush baseplate. These come with 10 round mags and what you see is what you get.

[dao]

I'll be curious to know how that 30 shoots too. Big cartridge there for a two finger hold, for some.

[Bawanna]

I never had issue with my 30's or 36's, recoil and flip wasn't bothersome at all. Mine did have the 9 round mags so it was flush. I believe they were gen 3 or maybe before. I'd still have one but I kept selling/giving them to cops who wanted them.

Ironic on one of the 30's and officer was thinking about one so I let him take it to the dept range to try out. First mag, the recoil assembly came apart and tied the gun up. They brought it back in a baggy. I never had problems with any of my guns any place but at that range. I think it was cursed.

I just had to replace the recoil assembly provided for free and never had another issue.

[kenemoore]

None of the Glock finger grooves every fit me. I have a Gen3 19, that I had a feller stipple and remove the finger groves. Cheaper than buying a gen 5.
I had a G36 back in the day. Never really liked it.
Traded it for a Kimber 1911. ( I had forgot about that, that's 3 guns I have let go.) Even Hickock45 said he did not care for it.
Replaced it with a PM45, that I still have.
I own 2 glocks, both gen 3, the 19 and a 26. The 26 has like 200 rounds through it. I bought it for travel but replaced it with the PM9. The 26 still has the finger grooves. At the time, I was looking for something I would not have a hissy fit about if confiscated at the airport.

[yqtszhj]

None of the Glock finger grooves every fit me. I have a Gen3 19, that I had a feller stipple and remove the finger groves. Cheaper than buying a gen 5.
I had a G36 back in the day. Never really liked it.
Traded it for a Kimber 1911. ( I had forgot about that, that's 3 guns I have let go.) Even Hickock45 said he did not care for it.
Replaced it with a PM45, that I still have.
I own 2 glocks, both gen 3, the 19 and a 26. The 26 has like 200 rounds through it. I bought it for travel but replaced it with the PM9. The 26 still has the finger grooves. At the time, I was looking for something I would not have a hissy fit about if confiscated at the airport.

I’m with you on the finger grooves. Only ones that fit me well are the Gen 3 G17/G22 frame. I had to grind and stipple the grooves on my Gen 3 G19 because they weren’t even close to helpful.

[Bawanna]

Back when my old dept carried Glock 21's, we sent them all to Robar (now sadly gone) and had the grips textured and the finger grooves removed. I never had an issue with the finger grooves myself. I still have my 21 that was my armory gun, an officers turn in. I don't recollect that I've ever shot it, probably should do that I reckon. I tried my own treatment on a couple officers personal Glocks and used truck bed liner. Found one that was kind of rubbery. They actually liked my texture better than Robars, although Robars was quite nice. I think I still have a small can of that stuff, I should see if it's still any good. It was just a small sample can the company sent me.
I too didn't care for my 36 near as much as the 30. I liked the single stack and the slimness but just didn't shoot it as well. Never could figure that out.

[Bawanna]

I put the Wilson springs in the SP101 22. It had a major impact on the single action, like down to under 3#, didn't seem to help on the scale as much only losing about 2 #'s but it feels a ton better with the finger. I'll see what the MCarbo springs look like and play a bit and see if I can get the DA down a bit more, although I'm completely happy as it is, feels better or maybe my finger is just having a good day?
Anyhow I'll have some springs and probably shims for ya, in case you get the box out of the back of the closet.

I finally got my MCarbo springs yesterday and put them in to compare to the Wilson Springs. I also managed to put in the hammer shims and even the trigger shims. Can't tell a noticeable difference but it is smooth. The MCarbo dropped the DA to about 9#, maybe 1/2% less than the Wilson but not really liking my trigger gauge, doesn't pull straight in line so hard to get accurate. The SA was about the same, around 3+#'s. I got extra shims and a new unopened set of Wilson springs so I'll send those to Bird in case he ever finishes his SP101.

[dao]

That's a handsome weapon! Are those bone grips inlaid into rubber?

[Bawanna]

That's a handsome weapon! Are those bone grips inlaid into rubber?

Elk Antler. Think I made them out of one of my handle failures. They feel pretty good. I'm pondering trying to make a whole grip, but think it will be tough. The weight of the gun would make a little bit larger grip kind of a nice thing. Lots of makers out there but 50 to 100 bucks a set, I tell myself I can make that.......but not sure I can.

[BirdsThaWord]

I finally got my MCarbo springs yesterday and put them in to compare to the Wilson Springs. I also managed to put in the hammer shims and even the trigger shims. Can't tell a noticeable difference but it is smooth. The MCarbo dropped the DA to about 9#, maybe 1/2% less than the Wilson but not really liking my trigger gauge, doesn't pull straight in line so hard to get accurate. The SA was about the same, around 3+#'s. I got extra shims and a new unopened set of Wilson springs so I'll send those to Bird in case he ever finishes his SP101.
Thanks a bunch Colonel! I am sorry to hear that the #’s reduction was not so great, but glad to hear you call it smooth. That’s one nice looking SP you’ve got there. The grips really do make it. Kind of a “Mountain Men” looking revolver.

[Bawanna]

Thanks a bunch Colonel! I am sorry to hear that the #’s reduction was not so great, but glad to hear you call it smooth. That’s one nice looking SP you’ve got there. The grips really do make it. Kind of a “Mountain Men” looking revolver.

It feels much lighter trigger wise both DA and SA. I'm completely happy really.

[berettabone]

I knew it would make the trigger much nicer. Some polishing would make it even smoother. You have to be careful with those pawls. Things can go flying................stock revolver triggers are not really good these days. Chigs makes some nice inserts.

[Bawanna]

I found out about the flying parts although none got away thank goodness. I had that thing apart several times, was so proud of myself. But this last time somehow, I must have pulled the trigger and the pawl spring popped out, had to go back and watch a video with the full take down. Got it back together and nothing worked. After several attempts I just pulled the trigger and then put the hammer in and it worked fine, kind of relieved I don't mind telling ya. I wasn't gonna bother with the trigger and hammer shims but figured since it showed in the video it was no big deal, so I did. Easier than I expected.

[berettabone]

So, which weight combo did you end up installing??????????

[Bawanna]

I'll have to go look again, got confused between the two different sets. I'm pretty sure I went with MCarbo but there wasn't much difference in the hammer spring pull.

[BirdsThaWord]

I found out about the flying parts although none got away thank goodness. I had that thing apart several times, was so proud of myself. But this last time somehow, I must have pulled the trigger and the pawl spring popped out, had to go back and watch a video with the full take down. Got it back together and nothing worked. After several attempts I just pulled the trigger and then put the hammer in and it worked fine, kind of relieved I don't mind telling ya. I wasn't gonna bother with the trigger and hammer shims but figured since it showed in the video it was no big deal, so I did. Easier than I expected.
You are giving me some confidence by saying “Easier than I expected”. Hope I can say the same when the time comes.

[Bawanna]

You are giving me some confidence by saying “Easier than I expected”. Hope I can say the same when the time comes.

It was a piece of cake really. I'm not mechanically gifted and have to work at it. As much as you've stripped things down it should be a no brainer for you. No brainer, maybe I should change my stage name. It fits and kind a sings.

[dao]

Sorry Colonel, it's been taken.

Howdy folks, my name is No Brainer Johnson. For the life of me I don't know why my two brothers Darrell gave me that nickname. But then again, my Pa, Mom's cousin Bert, had the same nickname. Must be an old family name. :D

[Barth]

All this new gun talk is just too much to handle!
Ran across a NIB Sig P365 with NS @ $444.44 with free shipping and could no longer resist.
I always promise myself to shoot a new gun before buying upgrades.
As everyone here knows I'm a Big Liar.
So I immediately ordered the Wilson Combat grip module to go with it.
Here we go again ...
https://static.wixstatic.com/media/8a110a_75cf3831e811464eb59189679f70003c~mv2.jpg/v1/fit/w_500,h_500,q_90/file.jpg

[Bawanna]

You'll love the Wilson grip, it's really nice.

[BirdsThaWord]

That's a great price Barth. I don't know if what the Colonel said is true or not (mighty suspicious, as is typical) but that WC grip module sure looks cool! Congratulations on your new one! :cool:

[dao]

Good choice Barth, and congrats on a nice gun! As Bird and the Colonel said, the WC grip modules are especially nice, I'm sure you'll love yours.

[Bawanna]

I added a straight trigger and a thumb safety to mine. LIke it better. They make a special frame to accommodate the safety but I just cut the little notch out for mine. Super easy 2 minute job to install.

[dao]

Funny how Justin got it right so many years ago, and opted to make a DAO striker fired gun rather than a SAO with no safety. Sig and others still boggle my mind in that regard.

[BirdsThaWord]

Funny how Justin got it right so many years ago, and opted to make a DAO striker fired gun rather than a SAO with no safety. Sig and others still boggle my mind in that regard.
Agreed. With the others, I wonder if that maybe isn’t a business ploy, like is used with the sales and marketing of cars, new phases in housing developments, etc. Release a product that is new, shiny and has some sort of improvement in aesthetics, function, etc. Then release one that is better (looks, function, capacity, fixes a problem with the last model), so they buyer buys again and again. Leaves room for “inovation” that they already knew about before the first model was released, where as Justin went ahead and came out with it all up front. Just a thought.
There's a HUUUUUGE developement (has it's own zip code) down here by the name of The Villages. Folks buy a newly made house that is swell and dandy. Once all have been sold, next door they build them bigger, better, with more community amenities. The folks then sell the one they are in to upgrade to the newest. I've met MANY there who say they are in their 3rd, 4th, even 5th house in that place. The developers there are genious!

[dao]

Not sure, but I don't think so Bird. At least not in the sense of him building planned obsolescence, or at least planning on generational improvements. He had something like 6 patents on the K9 when it came out. And I think one of them was essentially a "revolver" trigger in a semi auto handgun. He was definitely after a specific characteristic and he's stayed with that throughout. Be interesting to see how the new Kahr feels when it comes out. My bet is that he stays with the trigger, or instead comes up with a "new" and/or patented way to stage the striker in a SAO manner.

[Bawanna]

Desert Eagle did that well. Came out with a canon size gun in 357. Everybody wanted one. Then they came out with the 44 magnum, everybody wanted one. Then they came out with a conversion kit to turn the 357 into a 44. The list goes on. Brilliant.

I was at a Sportsmans show in a much earlier life when the Desert Eagle first came out. At their booth I ran into a heck of a nice guy who took the time to completely Bird, I mean disassemble the gun. He really knew his stuff and it was quite interesting and fun to watch. I still didn't buy one and I wasn't rich then either but still fun.

[BirdsThaWord]

Not sure, but I don't think so Bird. At least not in the sense of him building planned obsolescence, or at least planning on generational improvements. He had something like 6 patents on the K9 when it came out. And I think one of them was essentially a "revolver" trigger in a semi auto handgun. He was definitely after a specific characteristic and he's stayed with that throughout. Be interesting to see how the new Kahr feels when it comes out. My bet is that he stays with the trigger, or instead comes up with a "new" and/or patented way to stage the striker in a SAO manner.
Sure has been a lot of buzz, at least on here, aboit what comes next from him/Kahr. Of course, like when discussing 1911's, some won't have it any way but the original way. 😂 Not sure I'd ever buy the new one, unless it's a great deal, but that's just a matter of $. I would like to try one out though for sure.

[BirdsThaWord]

Desert Eagle did that well. Came out with a canon size gun in 357. Everybody wanted one. Then they came out with the 44 magnum, everybody wanted one. Then they came out with a conversion kit to turn the 357 into a 44. The list goes on. Brilliant.

I was at a Sportsmans show in a much earlier life when the Desert Eagle first came out. At their booth I ran into a heck of a nice guy who took the time to completely Bird, I mean disassemble the gun. He really knew his stuff and it was quite interesting and fun to watch. I still didn't buy one and I wasn't rich then either but still fun.
If you collect those ya pretty much do gotta be rich! Funny thing is, out off all of the "gun guys" I've had the pleasure of knowing, none had one, or never mentioned it. I had no idea until you just told me that they even came in other calibers than the 50. If that dude could completely Bird dissasemble it like that then he sounds like one really cool cat! 😁😁😁

[Barth]

I've always wanted one.
Almost bought a used 44 Mag, but passed.
Ordered a 357 Mag on sale, but they really didn't have them and canceled.
Guess it's just the movie mystique.
Not really practical or particularly reliable from what I've read.
Underwood 357 Sig is my Magnum Force semi-auto round.
And I have a variety of guns that run that caliber :cool:

[BirdsThaWord]

Guess it's just the movie mystique.

Underwood 357 Sig is my Magnum Force semi-auto round.
Agreed! You certainly see them in movies a lot. I’m wondering if most are like I was until today, thinking it was just a 50 cal gun, making it a modern Dirty Harry gun?

The only 357 Sig I have ever had is that Sig229 project I posted up about. I never got to shoot it before tearing it down, even though it came with 2 boxes of ammo. From what I heard, it’s somewhat like a 40 S&W or a 10mm in recoil and velocity? Once I finish it I will certainly be opening one of those boxes!

[Bawanna]

I found the grip on the Desert Eagle almost too big for even two hands. I don't have tiny hands but it was more than a handful.

Only thing I know about 357 Sig is it looks like they'd feed like chickens thru an egg. Err maybe eggs thru a chicken? You get the idea.

[jeepster09]

I had an EAGLE.....cost to much to feed and to heavy to carry!

https://www.kahrtalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7659&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1350943912https://www.kahrtalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7660&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1360811842

[kenemoore]

I recently watched a 'B' grade movie. All the bad guys had Desert Eagles or 1911's with compensators. And they carried them in the small of the back, without holsters. Amazing....

[Bawanna]

I think they are fine guns myself. Again too big for me, but if I was liquid enough I'd probably buy one anyway. Kind of like the Automag, like to have one of those too.

[BirdsThaWord]

I recently watched a 'B' grade movie. All the bad guys had Desert Eagles or 1911's with compensators. And they carried them in the small of the back, without holsters. Amazing....

Was it cold where they were? I mean, they are heaters! 😂

[jeepster09]

I just finished season one of REACHER and he had a Desert Eagle. :laser:

[BirdsThaWord]

I just finished season one of REACHER and he had a Desert Eagle. :laser:
That dude is huge, so a befitting handgun. I’m like the Colonel, hands too small for such a big grip. Great show by the way!

[dao]

We're about to start the first season of Reacher. I sure like the clips I've seen of it on youtube.

[BirdsThaWord]

We're about to start the first season of Reacher. I sure like the clips I've seen of it on youtube.
Enjoy! (I think you will) 😊

[BirdsThaWord]

I had an EAGLE.....cost to much to feed and to heavy to carry!

https://www.kahrtalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7659&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1350943912https://www.kahrtalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7660&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1360811842

Now that's a cool one. You know I like shiny, and have seen plenty of shiny Eagles, but would pick your ex over a shiny one. Great job on the custom work!

[Ken L]

We're about to start the first season of Reacher. I sure like the clips I've seen of it on youtube.

Wife and I watched both seasons. The second season was better, although the first season develops the characters. I've read all the Reacher books, and also saw the two Reacher movies. Tom Cruise doesn't pull off Reacher but Alan Ritchson sure does.

[jeepster09]

I still need the last 3 REACHER books. I need NO PLAN B, THE SECRET, IN TOO DEEP. Great books.

[Bawanna]

I tried to find the Reacher series last night so I could watch season 1 in order. Couldn't find it. Found one movie with Cruise which I'd seen before. It wasn't bad. I've seen one with Ritchson too and liked it better.

[dao]

Your library probably has seasons that you can borrow Colonel. We borrow the first seasons of different series, and then if we like them we buy them used, from thrift stores or ebay.

We just watched Tom Cruise in the first Reacher movie. I agree Ken, it was just so so.

[kenemoore]

I have read all the Reacher books, always on the waiting list at the local library. Tom Cruise was a terrible choice to play him. Lee Child said during an interview, that he did not know what he was doing when he signed on for the first two movies, and let go, to much control, otherwise, Tom Cruise would not have been the choice.
He mentioned that all further Reacher shows/movies, he would have more say.

In one of the books (Tripwire, book-3), he is hand digging pools in Key West. He as described as 6'6", with a physic that looked like a condom filled with walnuts. That is NOT Tom Cruise.

Amazon has both seasons if you are a member, no cost.

[Bawanna]

I think I actually got Reacher confused with the Tracker series. It's just a weekly program. I kind of like it. I need to check out the Reacher series a bit more.

[jeepster09]

https://youtu.be/bf9dVGK0d2I?si=t7iI4Dr1PLi4F5YG

Reacher scene...

[jeepster09]

Need a new gun.....just got this flyer:

[Bawanna]

Huh? Buy a Ruger SR1911 and get a Elsie Pee for fwee? Heck that a deal just for the 1911. I had one, guy talked me out of it. Still regret it. Was a nice gun.

Dang it and I'm only about 540 buck short, plus tax shipping and transfer fees and 18$ state fee, ok maybe 650 short.

[dao]

That is a great deal! Too bad I don't live in MN.

[BirdsThaWord]

What a great deal!

[jeepster09]

And I keep saying I DON'T NEED ANY MORE.....:ohmy:
If I hadn't JUST BOUGHT a Mossberg 940 Pro Tactical.....I am going to have to lock myself in the shed.

[BirdsThaWord]

And I keep saying I DON'T NEED ANY MORE.....:ohmy:
If I hadn't JUST BOUGHT a Mossberg 940 Pro Tactical.....I am going to have to lock myself in the shed.

You don't need any more? Now what kind of silly talk is that? Told you to stop hangin around those wimen! 😂

[kenemoore]

Around my neck of the woods, if you know how many firearms you own, then you do not have enough.

A properly equipped person, will respond with: "I'm not sure how many I have."

[BirdsThaWord]

Around my neck of the woods, if you know how many firearms you own, then you do not have enough.

A properly equipped person, will respond with: "I'm not sure how many I have."

I can tell you, but gotta think on it a bit, then still forget about a few.

[Bawanna]

If I wasn't afraid of big brother watching it would be cool to have a poll just to see how many folks think they have. Keep it kind of open. 0-10, 0-25, -0-50, 0-75, are we there yet.
But we know big brother is watching so bad idea.

[dao]

Yep, unless of course you were to ask how many are at the bottom of a lake following the boat sinking :D

[Bawanna]

Yep, unless of course you were to ask how many are at the bottom of a lake following the boat sinking :D

That was a truly sad day for sure. Hurts me something awful just to think about it. I know the boat was rated at only 200 hundred guns but I thought we'd be ok if we were careful........wrong......

[dao]

Yes indeed. I got a Sympathy card from my local ATF office. Did you get one too?

[Bawanna]

Yeah, I think it was a form letter though. They misspelled bawanna.

[dao]

LoL. They don't teach the 3 R's in school anymore. And haven't for a good long time. At least their heart was on the right place.

[rx7sig]

... The only 357 Sig I have ever had is that Sig229 project I posted up about. I never got to shoot it before tearing it down ...

You're in for a special treat when you're able to run your P229 in 357SIG--especially with full-power, 125 gr. Underwood GDLE 357SIG (1,475 fps out of a 4" bbl). Very accurate, and very easy to shoot. If your P229 is an all-stainless steel model (e.g., a SSE), then you're in for an even greater treat.

rx7sig

[BirdsThaWord]

You're in for a special treat when you're able to run your P229 in 357SIG--especially with full-power, 125 gr. Underwood GDLE 357SIG (1,475 fps out of a 4" bbl). Very accurate, and very easy to shoot. If your P229 is an all-stainless steel model (e.g., a SSE), then you're in for an even greater treat.

rx7sig

That'a a high velocity! Looking forward to to it based on your words! I think this one has an alloy frame though.

[rx7sig]

That'a a high velicity! Looking forward to to it based on your words! I think this one has an alloy frame though.

I own both a P229 SSE/9 (my first pistol) and a [P229] M11-A1 (my second pistol, purchased a couple of months after I purchased the SSE, to use for my CCW course and as my first CCW). I have 357SIG Exchange kits (and .40 S&W bbls) for both, and both pistols stay dressed, and shot, as 357SIG 99% of the time. I would be really surprised if, after shooting 357SIG from your P229, you will prefer to switch it to another caliber, cost of 357SIG ammo notwithstanding!

rx7sig

[BirdsThaWord]

I own both a P229 SSE/9 (my first pistol) and a [P229] M11-A1 (my second pistol, purchased a couple of months after I purchased the SSE, to use for my CCW course and as my first CCW). I have 357SIG Exchange kits (and .40 S&W bbls) for both, and both pistols stay dressed, and shot, as 357SIG 99% of the time. I would be really surprised if, after shooting 357SIG from your P229, you will prefer to switch it to another caliber, cost of 357SIG ammo notwithstanding!

rx7sig
Sounds like you’ve some pretty versatile pistols with the 3 calibers set up!
Yes, I did look at the price of the ammo and it is a bit on the pricey side. May shoot it a bit once completed, but not much honestly as it will be a BBQ pistol. Looking forward to it though. You make it sound like something I’m gonna smile about :cool:

[rx7sig]

... Yes, I did look at the price of the ammo and it is a bit on the pricey side. ...
The last few times I've purchased 357SIG ammo were before the pandemic, when prices were not as painful as they are now. I purchase 125 gr. Speer GDLE 357SIG from Target Sports USA dot com. ~$25 per 50-rnd box sale price last time I purchased, IIRC. Free shipping if you order by the case (1,000 rnds). Price has not yet returned to the pre-pandemic rate.

I purchase the UW GD from Underwood Ammo dot com. Pre-pandemic price was ~$17 per 20 rnd box regular price, with 5- or 10% lower during sales. Like with Speer, UW prices are still higher now than pre-pandemic. I'm actually beginning to run low on the UW.

Prices for both are lower if you sign up (and pay for) for the respective membership. I do not have a membership with either.

Can't wait to hear your range report once you're up and running.

rx7sig

[BirdsThaWord]

:cool::cool::cool: Thanks for that info and definitely will post up once I get it to the range. ;)

[jeepster09]

My Sig 229 and 226 fire ALL 3 calibers. 9/40/357

[BirdsThaWord]

Nice collection going there Jeep! 🤩

[jeepster09]

Upper left P220 10mm, upper right P229, lower left P226, lower right p220 45 acp.

[Barth]

I own both a P229 SSE/9 (my first pistol) and a [P229] M11-A1 (my second pistol, purchased a couple of months after I purchased the SSE, to use for my CCW course and as my first CCW). I have 357SIG Exchange kits (and .40 S&W bbls) for both, and both pistols stay dressed, and shot, as 357SIG 99% of the time. I would be really surprised if, after shooting 357SIG from your P229, you will prefer to switch it to another caliber, cost of 357SIG ammo notwithstanding!

rx7sig

+1
I've got twin P229s with OEM 357 and 40 barrels.
The 357 barrels stay in both guns :cool:

[Barth]

https://i.imgur.com/MLWsCZl.jpg

[BirdsThaWord]

https://i.imgur.com/MLWsCZl.jpg
Ya got it! (and the grip) Woo hoo! Now go choot tha snot out of it. Something tells me you will. Lately, I’ve heard more of you going to the range than the rest of us. Swing by and pick me up man!

[BirdsThaWord]

Starting to sound like the Sig forum around here. “Do do! Do do! Do do! Do do! Imagine a place…”:roll:
Nothing wrong with it, just noticing the Sig love is all. I’m in that group too!

[rx7sig]

Starting to sound like the Sig forum around here. “Do do! Do do! Do do! Do do! Imagine a place…”:roll:

Well, my most-carried, and most shot, CCW is my K9, almost always with 124 gr. Speer GDLE 9mm +P (but sometimes, though rarely, with 124 gr. Federal HST 9mm +P). OWB in a leather pancake holster. Perfect (for me)!

(So, now we're back to Kahr!)

I've thought about whether I would like a K9 that has a one-and-a-half-stack magazine. I suspect I would prefer the [single stack] K9 that I own now, for EDC.

rx7sig

[dao]

Sweet little pocket rockets. Good choice Barth!

[BirdsThaWord]

Well, my most-carried, and most shot, CCW is my K9, almost always with 124 gr. Speer GDLE 9mm +P (but sometimes, though rarely, with 124 gr. Federal HST 9mm +P). OWB in a leather pancake holster. Perfect (for me)!

(So, now we're back to Kahr!)

I've thought about whether I would like a K9 that has a one-and-a-half-stack magazine. I suspect I would prefer the [single stack] K9 that I own now, for EDC.

rx7sig
You are not alone. Many around here have spoke of the desire for higher capacity in the Kahr’s. Looks like some may get their wish soon. Sadly, not in one of the metal framed Kahr’s though. The K9 is my favorite Kahr of any that I’ve owned. Hope to score one again some day.

[dao]

Not new anymore, but I've done quite a bit to it since I first posted it.

Installed Chen Dan Wesson Magwell. This surprisingly fit better than any of the three others that I tried. I originally machined the pin hole of a Klonimus aluminum magwell to get it to fit but I like the Chen's better because of their rounded bottoms, and weight. I did need to take quite a bit of material off the bottom of the Klonimus Beavertail to get it and the Chen to work together, but it was worth it. Added a 23lb Hammer Spring to finish that part out.
I also installed an EGW SS Ignition kit, including the Hammer, Sear, Disconnector, and Sear Spring. I adjusted the pull to just under 4lbs and it breaks extremely nicely. I will say that the factory parts also provided a nice clean break, as good as the EGW provided, but I didn't want to rely long term on the MIM Hammer that it came with.
I also went back over the checkering to clean that up. It is better now. Always (for me), seems easier to revisit some things after the fact and give them added attention that impatience makes it hard to do initially.
I was going to install an EGW extended mag release but it wouldn't fit in the hole, being off just enough to prevent it from seating. I'll live with the one that's in there and save the other part for a future project.
All in all there's not a lot of the original small parts left. I like the added heft of it with the SS magwell and non-MIM parts. It weighs in at 37.5ozs now, with an empty magazine. Even at the 36+ it was before these recent changes it was a very soft shooter. If it performs reliably next time I have it to the range like it did the first time I will add it to the rotation.
Another nice thing about the checkering is that I can put smooth grips on it without feeling like it's going to fall out of my hand. With the same checkering on the magwell the gun is rock solid in hand.

[BirdsThaWord]

I plan to follow most of what you’ve done, other than the brand trigger due to it not being available and my being impatient (got the WC instead). Thanks for your write up outlining what you’ve seen, experienced as you’ve gone along. I find that info to be useful/valuable and try to share that kind of stuff with others also as I modify. What a great world we live in, at least in this respect, that we can learn so easily from one another, digitally, on command, at our fingertips.
Thanks for sharing dao! Knowing first hand what you started with, she’s a beaut and is now at a much higher quality due to the upgraded parts and customization.

[dao]

Thanks Bird. This one does have a Wilson trigger in it. The Harrison went into my ECO, and was black.
I hear you about the availability of help in our digital world. I have learned so much on the web. Sometimes just seeing or hearing of something I'm considering or thinking about that someone else has done gives me the courage to try it. And the more I learn about 1911's the more I understand just how much of a genius JMB was.

[BirdsThaWord]

Thanks Bird. This one does have a Wilson trigger in it. The Harrison went into my ECO, and was black.
I hear you about the availability of help in our digital world. I have learned so much on the web. Sometimes just seeing or hearing of something I'm considering or thinking about that someone else has done gives me the courage to try it. And the more I learn about 1911's the more I understand just how much of a genius JMB was.
Gotchya on the trigger. Agreed on the learning from others and JMB knowledge. It seems like the more I learn, the more I feel that I know so little.

[dao]

Amen to that!

[Bawanna]

After my mandatory 10 days in Purgatory I was able to bring this home yesterday.

Just dumb luck the wife was with me and in a superior mood or something. Allowed the use of the prohibited CC.
Amazing piece. Adjustable rear sight, checkered front strap. For such fine checkering it's near painful to squeeze. A full 10 ozs lighter than my Cbob, both with empty mags. If memory serves the CBob was 36 and the 1911U is 26.4 or some such thing.

I was also semi suprised the the frame ( I think) is alloy) makes sense since it's so light.

Of course it came with the really nice VZ grips which looked great but really grippy. Grabs your shirt etc. And of course it just screamed for antler.......sooooo. Had the grandkids for the last 4 days. They went home yesterday mid day. So I cut up some antler and got them hung and done today. I'm not totally in love with the looks. I struggle with antler. I got them relatively thin and color dyeing with the Potassium Pomegranate. Didn't seem to work as well as in the past. Maybe not strong enough. Anyhow I don't think I'm done yet but they'll do for now.

Hopefully get someplace and shoot it this week I hope. Hoping it's not too much of a fire breathing dragon. Probably should have got a 9 but I'm a 45 guy and don't want to lose my rep ya know?

[Barth]

That looks like a winner to me Colonel!
Can't wait to hear the Range Report.
Super lite for a 45 ACP, nice carry gun :)