New LCP 22 coming in tomorrow

[King Rat]

I am not a LCP fan, have owned plenty of them. but since I love shooting the small barrel Pistol like the 380's and have for over a decade, I wanted something in 22.cal to keep up my training especially Point and shoot. 9mm and 380 is and will be gone for a long time. I have been spending a fortune on 22.cal ammo and stocking up. Thankfully have a large supply of 380 and 9mm, but want to spare as much as possible. The LCP22 will be very close to the Kahr in size and weight.

PS I Love the LCR22 and is my favorite Plinker and trainer. Between the two of them, I can continue to keep up the Necessary Point and shoot skills. In fact, I know training with them actually improves this. I will continue to buy as much rimfire as possible. It will be gone soon.

[King Rat]

Thinking I might have over paid for this gun at $300.00 and I have not even picked it up yet.

[340pd]

I have a LCP II and love that little gun. I find it in my back pocket a lot. I have shot the 22 version and found it to be exactly what you said, the perfect trainer. As far as I see your price is right where others are charging. I have a nearby LGS that is competitive and he is also at your number. Long term stuff I tend not to worry over the price as it becomes forgotten and replaced with smiles.

[gb6491]

Thinking I might have over paid for this gun at $300.00 and I have not even picked it up yet.
I paid a bit more than that for mine when they first came out, but I've no misgivings about that. It has been reliable and accurate (if I do my part). It's a joy to carry...even when carrying another gun. Quite a tidy package for 10+1 rounds of .22LR.
https://i.postimg.cc/rw0tWkbB/case865.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/0QxzV6vp/lcpii22-865.jpg
(That's a 3" diameter splatter target at 10 yds. standing...not the norm, but it does happen:))
https://i.postimg.cc/28CPCCk2/22-45-lcp-ii-copy865.jpg
The only stoppage I've had was a failure to fire. I believe it to be ammo related as the round had a decent hit on it:
https://i.postimg.cc/BvqHt1Kj/hit.jpg
Regards,
Greg

[berettabone]

Bought the LCP II in .380 for the wifey. Paid $249.................... she loves it. I was surprised at how accurate it is, and the trigger is even ok. Wife took to it like fish to water. They're not bad for $250 bucks. Painted the front sight white which helped immensely.

[King Rat]

Well I picked it up today. In the car I checked if for safety and then did a trigger pull. The Amount of free play was totally ridiculous. It was long and felt like the trigger spring was broke. The a wall then a quick Bang!. No not a live round, but enough to actually make me flinch. I would never carry a trigger like this for any reason. Obviously made for target work and not a actual trainer for defense carry. I have owned many of the LCP's over the years, still have one, but it is gone into retirement. It was the Gen ll with the Smooth DAO. Like the Kahr and Pico. Deliberate and controlled all the way through.
As soon a I picked it up, MY first thought that hit my head was "Keltec". I have the Keltec P32 and have been shooting that gun and this gun felt and looked so much like it. The Keltec Lineage is hard to get away from with this gun. That is not a bad thing as I like the Keltec.

One thing for sure is the gun is way over Priced. I paid about $160 for my P32. But beggers cannot be choosers. I will have to adjust for the target gun trigger, if it does not work out, I will just sell it. Will be going to the range tomorrow. (Kind of hard to justify price, since i recently bought a P380 for the same price.

[340pd]

Well I picked it up today. In the car I checked if for safety and then did a trigger pull. The Amount of free play was totally ridiculous. It was long and felt like the trigger spring was broke. The a wall then a quick Bang!. No not a live round, but enough to actually make me flinch. I would never carry a trigger like this for any reason. Obviously made for target work and not a actual trainer for defense carry. I have owned many of the LCP's over the years, still have one, but it is gone into retirement. It was the Gen ll with the Smooth DAO. Like the Kahr and Pico. Deliberate and controlled all the way through.
As soon a I picked it up, MY first thought that hit my head was "Keltec". I have the Keltec P32 and have been shooting that gun and this gun felt and looked so much like it. The Keltec Lineage is hard to get away from with this gun. That is not a bad thing as I like the Keltec.

One thing for sure is the gun is way over Priced. I paid about $160 for my P32. But beggers cannot be choosers. I will have to adjust for the target gun trigger, if it does not work out, I will just sell it. Will be going to the range tomorrow. (Kind of hard to justify price, since i recently bought a P380 for the same price.

The real test is at a range after a few mags have been fired.

[King Rat]

The real test is at a range after a few mags have been fired.

Went to the range and it was closed. Normally open 7 days a week. Last time I was there the place was bare of firearms other than some high end and ammo was bare as well except for some priced way to high.
Also there was all new face's. I have been going to the range for at least 15 yrs. I asked one of the new guys, where is so and so. He said they all quite. I am guessing that they feel the future in gun sales will not support them. He said most have taken other jobs.

Getting back to the LCP. I see people saying they like the trigger. Well it is my belief after so many years of shooting these guns that the vast majority of gun owner's do not TRAIN with them, they just target shoot. I have watched them so many time. The come to the line, spend what seems forever to focus on the target take their time and pull the trigger. They are not shooting them on a regular schedule, have fallen into the internet propaganda that they are just gut guns that you carry often and seldom shoot. Which is total BS.

Training is fast draw, quick shots to center mass etc. just like any other range gun. Most of these Target shooters have to have a Trigger like the LCPll. They cannot shoot a DAO, and will not take the time to learn.
So will I like this trigger for actual training NO. But will make the concession of that to have a pistol the same size and weight. I will still be able to train with Point and Shoot skills which is crucial to maintain.
I have been using the LCR22 which I love. And great DAO. So, we will see after the range session which I will be going back to today.

[berettabone]

My wife carries the LCP II. Is it what I would like to see her carry???? Nah, but it's what I can get her to carry on a pretty usual basis. I guess we're of the minority, because we usually don't target shoot per se. We shoot for defensive skills and familiarity with our firearm of choice. I carry a revolver. I still say, for a $250 firearm, the trigger is better than I thought it would be. Not my cup o tea, but very usable. Especially after the older model triggers. The Bodyguard type triggers where you can pull it, go across the street, get a coffee, and come back to the sound of gunfire:) Overpriced??? Maybe, but you know that you don't get much for $250 these days................................

[getsome]

I've had two LCP's first one about 10 years ago made in Prescott AZ which was a pretty nice pistol, shot good and I should of kept it but didn't....Second one in 2017 made in Mayodan NC which wasn't anywhere near as nice as the first one, jammed on any ammo tried and the magazines wouldn't click in and kept causing jams so I traded it for a Beretta Pico that I have $279.00 total in and which turned out to be a great little .380 no jams ever, very small and thin and a long Kahr like trigger that I like for pocket carry, not the best looking pistol out there but it works and that's what counts....I agree the new Ruger LCP II trigger is way too quick for pocket work and more suited for target shooting.....I think the market is being driven for this type trigger because it's easier for casual shooters to hit something with and have fun at the range but not carried everyday.....

[Bawanna]

"not the best looking pistol out there but it works and that's what counts..."

I disagree on this point. There are plenty of fine looking guns out there that work, no man should have to carry an ugly gun. EVER.

While I don't display mine I know it's there and it's cool looking and that boys and girls is what really matters. Remember you saw it on the internet.

[Bawanna]

I recall back when I was coaching Little League in an effort to get the guys to dress sharp and not look like slobs, I used the following analogy.

If you have a choice of a Ford Pinto that gets 86 miles to the gallon, runs like a swiss watch and is totally reliable or a Chevy Camaro or Corvette that is pretty as a picture but doesn't have an engine take the Chevy. Wash it regular when folks is driving by, have your friends help you move it around now and then. Everyone will think you have the coolest ride around. That's what matters.

[DavidR]

I recall back when I was coaching Little League in an effort to get the guys to dress sharp and not look like slobs, I used the following analogy.

If you have a choice of a Ford Pinto that gets 86 miles to the gallon, runs like a swiss watch and is totally reliable or a Chevy Camaro or Corvette that is pretty as a picture but doesn't have an engine take the Chevy. Wash it regular when folks is driving by, have your friends help you move it around now and then. Everyone will think you have the coolest ride around. That's what matters.

So I made a mistake choosing the Hi Point?

[dustnchips]

The hi points I have seen are butt ugly, though I have to admit that when I look at guns I generally focus on what I already decided I want so I don't see too many other guns.

[Bawanna]

So I made a mistake choosing the Hi Point?

Like most things in life Beauty is to the eye of the beholder. If you think the Hi Point looks cool, your golden.

I mean some guys prefer fat chicks, and a few don't like the looks of a Studebaker, one of my favorites.

Your ok, keep it concealed or put a sack on your head and nobody will know, ya know.

[King Rat]

Well just finished putting a 1,000 rounds through the LCP and not happy. Gun shoots 4" high. Have had many failures with mixed ammo. Quite a bit of light strikes. Stupid safety has engaged a number of times when shooting. This gun for me is no where as accurate as the Pico or Kahr which I shoot much better. The LCR 22 on the other hand is fantastic. Love it. And you can shoot any ammo and SO MUCH more reliability. Very Seldom get a misfire. And then there is no racking to do.

The LCPll trigger sucks!! Most stupid trigger I have ever seen on a gun. So much uncontrolled free play in the first stage and then a HARD wall with no play and then a quick BOOM! You would have to be insane to carry a trigger like this for EDC.

Here is the Kahr P380 and the LCR9mm with 22.cals below.

https://i.imgur.com/tUXzirC.jpg?1

[berettabone]

The wife nor I have had any issues with our LCP II. We would also never purchase a firearm with a safety. You must think that the Glock triggers suck also because they are pretty much the same. Many firearms have the same type trigger. Must be a lot of "insane" people out there. They all sell like hotcakes. You seem to be one of the few that has had any issues. Haven't heard of any carry issues either. Reading your past posts and the talk ups on the Kahr and the Pico, I don't know why you would even consider an LCP II. Seems that the Pico and the Kahr are the best thing since sliced bread. I didn't find any accuracy issues at all. Neither did the wife. You state that it shoots 4" high. At what distance???? 5yds.??? 10 yds.???? 50 yds.???? It seems that you may be expecting too much from a $250 gun. IMHO it's no better or worse than some of the others you have mentioned, and their triggers are surely nothing to write home about. Personally, I wouldn't own any of them, and I am familiar with all of them. Out of all of the choices out there, I surely wouldn't purchase any of them for carry or plinking. How you thought that an LCP II would help with any type of training is beyond me. Especially knowing what type of trigger they had. I'd sell it for the $20 that it's worth and move on. Let me know when you've had enough. Only a thousand rounds to figure out that the trigger sucks???????? I'll take it off your hands.

[King Rat]

The wife nor I have had any issues with our LCP II. We would also never purchase a firearm with a safety. You must think that the Glock triggers suck also because they are pretty much the same. Many firearms have the same type trigger. Must be a lot of "insane" people out there. They all sell like hotcakes. You seem to be one of the few that has had any issues. Haven't heard of any carry issues either. Reading your past posts and the talk ups on the Kahr and the Pico, I don't know why you would even consider an LCP II. Seems that the Pico and the Kahr are the best thing since sliced bread. I didn't find any accuracy issues at all. Neither did the wife. You state that it shoots 4" high. At what distance???? 5yds.??? 10 yds.???? 50 yds.???? It seems that you may be expecting too much from a $250 gun. IMHO it's no better or worse than some of the others you have mentioned, and their triggers are surely nothing to write home about. Personally, I wouldn't own any of them, and I am familiar with all of them. Out of all of the choices out there, I surely wouldn't purchase any of them for carry or plinking. How you thought that an LCP II would help with any type of training is beyond me. Especially knowing what type of trigger they had. I'd sell it for the $20 that it's worth and move on. Let me know when you've had enough. Only a thousand rounds to figure out that the trigger sucks???????? I'll take it off your hands.

1)Knew you would be the first to reply with your usual nonsense and ignorance of the 380 and the fact that you have been on the Kahr forum for years disparaging them. YOU can never wait for the chance to do so. NO it did not take a thousand rounds to figure out the trigger sucked. Go back and read my first post.
2) I have never shot a Glock with a trigger like this. If you cannot see or undersand the difference in a Kahr trigger and the LCPll then you have wasted a whole lot of years.
3) I bought the LCP because I wanted a trainer in the same approximate size. And here is a news Bulletin for Ya. They do not make them in 22.cal. and 22. is much, much cheaper than 380. I know this is a tough one for you to figure out.
4)They sell like Hotcakes" Lol, does not mean all the Hotcakers can even shoot them worth a darn.
5) Yes, the Pico and the Kahr are the best thing since sliced bread.
6) Yes, you would not own any of them. And most like could not hit the side of a barn door with one if you did. If I were you, I would not own one either.
7) how much will you give me to take it off my hands?

And this one is rich. You ignorant and I will quote "How you thought that an LCP II would help with any type of training is beyond me." Yes, you got one right, Bingo. Way beyond YOU! Lol, it is such a ridiculous, remark it is impossible to think anyone could reasonably explain it to you and proof positive you know nothing about pocket guns. You have been on this forum for years bashing the 380 and all pocket guns. Yes, I shot a 1,000 rds through this gun which about 10 times the amount you and your wife have fired through all pocket guns combined.

[berettabone]

1)Knew you would be the first to reply with your usual nonsense and ignorance of the 380 and the fact that you have been on the Kahr forum for years disparaging them. YOU can never wait for the chance to do so. NO it did not take a thousand rounds to figure out the trigger sucked. Go back and read my first post.
2) I have never shot a Glock with a trigger like this. If you cannot see or undersand the difference in a Kahr trigger and the LCPll then you have wasted a whole lot of years.
3) I bought the LCP because I wanted a trainer in the same approximate size. And here is a news Bulletin for Ya. They do not make them in 22.cal. and 22. is much, much cheaper than 380. I know this is a tough one for you to figure out.
4)They sell like Hotcakes" Lol, does not mean all the Hotcakers can even shoot them worth a darn.
5) Yes, the Pico and the Kahr are the best thing since sliced bread.
6) Yes, you would not own any of them. And most like could not hit the side of a barn door with one if you did. If I were you, I would not own one either.
7) how much will you give me to take it off my hands?

And this one is rich. You ignorant and I will quote "How you thought that an LCP II would help with any type of training is beyond me." Yes, you got one right, Bingo. Way beyond YOU! Lol, it is such a ridiculous, remark it is impossible to think anyone could reasonably explain it to you and proof positive you know nothing about pocket guns. You have been on this forum for years bashing the 380 and all pocket guns. Yes, I shot a 1,000 rds through this gun which about 10 times the amount you and your wife have fired through all pocket guns combined. Once again, your comprehension and reading skills are lacking. Mostly because you get so upset when someone disagrees with your assessments that you can't think or comprehend clearly. First, I didn't disparage the .380 in my posting. I just said I wouldn't own one. Second, the Glock trigger is exactly the same style as the LCP II so apparently you have no experience when it comes to these types of triggers. I never said that ANY buyer of the LCP II was an expert at anything, but I am finding out that you apparently are. Third, the Pico and the Kahr are far from even close to a quality firearm. They are both cheap alternatives with the later having more issues than I've ever seen with any firearm in the last 10 years. Fourth, I carried an MK9 in my pocket for 9 years. The rest is just assumption on your part which is typical when someone is angry, and doesn't have a clue about who they are talking to or their experience level. You decided to become a member of this forum and ever since, between your name and your postings, show a true level of testosterone overload and anger management issues. If I were you and thankfully I'm not, I would take a deep breath and reassess your tone before one of us is told to take a hike. If you continue to take this tone, I'd give you a guess as to which one of us is going to be told to take a hike. You also like to name call, which is again something that I didn't/don't do. For that alone, you should be sent packing over to the Pico site where you can brag to everyone how you wasted 1000 rds. of ammo shooting a firearm which has the(your words) "stupidest trigger" you've ever experienced. That alone would make me question your though processes and training. Hopefully, you will realize that many shooters on this forum have 50+ yrs. of shooting experience, and got off their high donkey a long time ago.

[King Rat]

Lol, Hey Bone. Take a hike! Just curious how many round have you and your wife have through the LCP? So you think a 1,000 rds of 22. is a lot? When do you actually shoot any firearms? Really do not know how you find the time for it when you are logged on here 27/7 waiting for someone to post about a 380 which you do not know squat about. Seems you know more about other 380's than guys that have shot thousands of rounds through the them. I mean actual owners. So how does that work? Like I said, I KNEW you would be right out of the chute with your blasting away about your non-existent knowledge of 380's.
How many rounds now per week is your wife training, month? Year? No the LCP22 and I will keep it because of all the reasons I mentioned which you obviously did not read or can't comprehend. I will make the concessions. By the way, you shot your mouth off about buying the gun from me. OK Step up to the plate and make me a offer. And not some Bonehead offer.

You know something. On this forum there are many that love the Kahr 380. What a shame that on so many threads they have to see all your negative comments. Constantly! Do you have a mission in life to shoot down the 380 Kahr. And do not even try and act as if you know a thing about a Pico. Why not post about firearms that you do have and shot thousands or rounds down range. How about you quite trying to be a expert on something you do not know a thing about.
FYI, I still own a LCP Gen 2. And I have owned many others. I shot more rounds out of one back in 2009 in one month than you have in a life time. Actually went through many and had Ruger send me knew one's every time they could not repair one. Yes, I have shot many Pocket guns and compared them in detail. So how about you give it a break? I do not post against your guns. Why, I do have familiarity with them, no expert. Just stay off the 380 threads and do us all a favor. It gets old and has become nothing but a pure displeasure to go to any 380 thread.

[Bawanna]

Ok boys, toss the gloves, go to a neutral corner. Have a cool beverage of your choosing.

Operators are standing by to shut this one down if the personal attacks continue.

Have a pleasant evening and a better tomorrow.