Sure wish there were more hammer fired models to choose from

[dao]

Been shopping for a new HD gun after deciding I didn't like my FNX45 tank enough. Looked and looked for something to replace it. There are good choices but not so many are available right now. So I settled on an M18 to fill the FNX's spot until I can find a permanent replacement.

The M18 comes with the medium grip. I thought I'd give the small a try, in black. Turns out I like the fit of the medium better, though I do like the look of the black more than the coyote so I'll likely be looking to trade this small black for a medium black. Good thing is that the grip modules are less than $40.

[boscobarbell]

Been shopping for a new HD gun after deciding I didn't like my FNX45 tank enough. Looked and looked for something to replace it. There are good choices but not so many are available right now. So I settled on an M18 to fill the FNX's spot until I can find a permanent replacement.

The M18 comes with the medium grip. I thought I'd give the small a try, in black. Turns out I like the fit of the medium better, though I do like the look of the black more than the coyote so I'll likely be looking to trade this small black for a medium black. Good thing is that the grip modules are less than $40.

Have you given any thought to H&Ks?

[dao]

I do like H&Ks, and I have one left now. I traded off a P2000 .40 that was a V3 DA/SA, decocker only. I still have a P2000SK in 9mm that I'm saving for my son. It's also a V3 DA/SA, decocker only. But I'm in the process of moving mostly to SA triggers. I'm looking at several HKs in the variants that have safety/decockers so they can be cocked and locked. The trouble right now is that inventories are getting pretty much depleted.

I'm open to striker fired again but only those with a manual safety, like the M18 above, for carry or HD. Thanks for the thought though!

[rx7sig]

Been shopping for a new HD gun after deciding I didn't like my FNX45 tank enough.

dao,

Have you considered the Sig Sauer M11-A1? All-metal, hammer-fired, DA/SA. Essentially, a rail-less, tailless, "toughened" P229. I purchased mine new about three years ago as a CCW that doubles for HD. I couldn't be more satisfied with it.

I subsequently purchased a .357 Sig X-Change kit for it, and now it is almost always dressed in .357 Sig. I also purchased an OEM 9x19 threaded bbl, an OEM .40 S&W bbl, and Hogue checkered cocobolo grips for it.

When I CC it, it wears OEM magazines (15 + 1 when dressed as 9x19 Luger, as original; or 12 + 1 when dressed as .357 Sig or .40 S&W). When serving as HD, it wears Mec-Gar + 2 magazines (17 + 1 as 9x19; or 14 + 1 as .357 or .40).

It might be just what you're looking for. See attached pics.

rx7sig

[dao]

Thanks rx, I'm also looking at P229 and 226's. The M11-A1 would work though I haven't been able to find any in 40.

[O'Dell]

I too prefer hammer fired pistols, but I find them all too large for CC unless I can cover a belt holster. {I've yet to find an ITB holster that's comfortable} I have three SIG's, three HK's, and five 1911's, Including the SIG C3, and all are too large to carry w/o a holster. I also have a third gen S&W, CS45, that's hammer fired but it has a concealed hammer. I like the HK better than the SIG, because, other than my C3 1911, SIG's don't have manual safeties, so no "cocked and locked".

It's just hard to find a better carry pistol than the Kahrs, so that's what I CC 99% of the time.

[dao]

Some good iwb holsters are N8 Squared Tactical, now Crossbreed, and Alien Gear Super Tucks. The JM4 Tactical are not bad at all either.

Sig does make some SAO pistols with manual safeties, designed to be carried Condition 1 and are essentially the same manual of arms as a 1911. The P229, P226, and P220 are three of those, all in their Legion Series. I have a P229 SAO and it is a fine weapon with a very, very nice trigger. I do carry it, both iwb and owb. And your right on the money, the holster makes the difference. All the difference.

Oh, and Sig also makes some DAK guns which are DAO, but implemented in an usual way. Essentially first round is a 5.5lb long trigger pull, and there are two reset points. First reset puts the trigger at an 8.5lb, fairly long pull, but if you let the trigger all the way out it's once again a longer 5.5lb pull. No decocker, no safety. From what I've heard they take some getting used to. And practice.

[340pd]

dao,

Have you considered the Sig Sauer M11-A1? All-metal, hammer-fired, DA/SA. Essentially, a rail-less, tailless, "toughened" P229. I purchased mine new about three years ago as a CCW that doubles for HD. I couldn't be more satisfied with it.

I subsequently purchased a .357 Sig X-Change kit for it, and now it is almost always dressed in .357 Sig. I also purchased an OEM 9x19 threaded bbl, an OEM .40 S&W bbl, and Hogue checkered cocobolo grips for it.

When I CC it, it wears OEM magazines (15 + 1 when dressed as 9x19 Luger, as original; or 12 + 1 when dressed as .357 Sig or .40 S&W). When serving as HD, it wears Mec-Gar + 2 magazines (17 + 1 as 9x19; or 14 + 1 as .357 or .40).

It might be just what you're looking for. See attached pics.

rx7sig


Thanks for the heads up. I had no idea there were so many options available for the M11A1. I enjoy mine and it would rank high on the list of "If I only could keep one pistol". I bought it because a guy in an unnamed agency had his department switch from Sig to Glock and he gave me a bag of 15 round magazines. So, them not fitting in a P226 I owned, I needed a gun to put them in correct?
I did swap out the stock M11A1 trigger in favor of a P226 trigger which I personally find a lot more comfortable.

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[Armybrat]

....

[I_Like_Turtles]

I may be indifferent, given that I often carry a Kahr, but I do like hammer-fired handguns. Proper dress is important and with personal fitness, carry of a full-sized 1911 is easily done. A friend, all of 5'2" tall, carried a Springfield Armory 1911A1 IWB for years.

Another friend, not sure how tall he is (over 6 feet) carried a Desert Eagle in .50 AE for years and now carries an FN in .45, full sized, hammer-fired.

[rx7sig]

I'm also looking at P229 and 226's. The M11-A1 would work though I haven't been able to find any in 40.


I had no idea there were so many options available for the M11A1.

The M11-A1 is a 9x19 Luger pistol, only. However, the M11-A1 accepts the P229 X-Change Kits--which means you can "convert" it to .357 Sig and/or .40 S&W, which is what I did. (I actually sent my pistol to Sig Inc for the Kit and OEM barrels--just in case any "fitting" would be required.)

IMHO, dressed as 9x19, the M11-A1 balances in the hand and carries much more nicely. However, I prefer the .357 Sig round, so I accept the heavier and wider slide of the X-Change Kit, which makes the M11-A1 a bit top-heavy (so, not as nicely balanced, IMHO).

The P229 actually was designed around the .40 S&W and .357 Sig rounds, so my M11-A1/P229 effortlessly shoots all three (9mm Luger, .357 Sig, and .40 S&W) calibers.

rx7sig

P.S. My .357 Sig CC/HD practice ammo is 125 gr. Speer GD LE. However, my .357 Sig CC/HD carry ammo is the much stouter 125 gr. Underwood GD.

[Bawanna]

Magnum Research 1911C in a Garrett Silent Thunder IWB on my hip lounging around the house this morning. Has been for the last week or so. New trigger for the CBob arrives today, so it might go back on the hip later. Or maybe the Wilson or the Remington.

Have a new one on the way that might work well for around the house, we'll see if it works out.

[yqtszhj]

CZ’s with a manual safety instead of a decocker may be an option. There are various sizes too.

[O'Dell]

Some good iwb holsters are N8 Squared Tactical, now Crossbreed, and Alien Gear Super Tucks. The JM4 Tactical are not bad at all either.

Sig does make some SAO pistols with manual safeties, designed to be carried Condition 1 and are essentially the same manual of arms as a 1911. The P229, P226, and P220 are three of those, all in their Legion Series. I have a P229 SAO and it is a fine weapon with a very, very nice trigger. I do carry it, both iwb and owb. And your right on the money, the holster makes the difference. All the difference.

Oh, and Sig also makes some DAK guns which are DAO, but implemented in an usual way. Essentially first round is a 5.5lb long trigger pull, and there are two reset points. First reset puts the trigger at an 8.5lb, fairly long pull, but if you let the trigger all the way out it's once again a longer 5.5lb pull. No decocker, no safety. From what I've heard they take some getting used to. And practice.

I have a P220 and P225 - neither has a manual safety. Trigger is DA for the first shot and SA thereafter. Of course you can manually cock before the first shot and make all SA. However neither can be carried "cocked and locked". I've never handled a P226, P228, or the new P65, but I didn't think any of them has a manual safety. Not sure of the P65 though.

HK's triggers work basically the same, but you can manually cock the pistol, set the safety, and have a "cocked and locked condition, just like a 1911.

I have tried a Crossbreed, but didn't like it. I've also tried 12 to 15 others but never found one comfortable. I'm 5' 11'' and weigh 150 - I don't have much padding.:)

[rx7sig]

I too prefer hammer fired pistols, but I find them all too large for CC unless I can cover a belt holster. ... It's just hard to find a better carry pistol than the Kahrs, so that's what I CC 99% of the time.

Ironically, I was introduced to Kahr by someone on another gun forum when I was lamenting the fact that Sig doesn't offer a smaller, slimmer version of the M11-A1/P229, about a year after I purchased my M11-A1. (The fact that the M11-A1 shot 9x19 Luger so effortlessly suggested to me that a smaller, slimmer version should be extremely viable--especially if there wasn't a need for a double-stack magazine.)

When I researched the K9/K40, I was surprised that there wasn't more on-line buzz about them.

I purchased my K9 new a couple of months after I had researched them, and I've never looked back! I would have purchased it sooner, except I wrestled awhile with whether to purchase a K9 or a K40. I decided, finally, on the 9mm because that is what the Kahr was originally designed around, and because of the additional round. Still, I was extremely close to purchasing a new K40 just before the COVID-19 effect took hold. (The K9 shoots 124 gr. 9mm +P HP so effortlessly, the K40, too, must be a joy to shoot, no?)

Like you, @O'Dell, my Kahr is what I CC most often, despite its not having a hammer.

rx7sig

[Bawanna]

I have a P220 and P225 - neither has a manual safety. Trigger is DA for the first shot and SA thereafter. Of course you can manually cock before the first shot and make all SA. However neither can be carried "cocked and locked". I've never handled a P226, P228, or the new P65, but I didn't think any of them has a manual safety. Not sure of the P65 though.

HK's triggers work basically the same, but you can manually cock the pistol, set the safety, and have a "cocked and locked condition, just like a 1911.

I have tried a Crossbreed, but didn't like it. I've also tried 12 to 15 others but never found one comfortable. I'm 5' 11'' and weigh 150 - I don't have much padding.:)

The P365 comes either way, with or without a manual safety. I would opt for the safety version although I would never put the safety on but it would be a good option for a lady or girlyman who carries a purse as an added precaution against purse ventilation.

[O'Dell]

The P365 comes either way, with or without a manual safety. I would opt for the safety version although I would never put the safety on but it would be a good option for a lady or girlyman who carries a purse as an added precaution against purse ventilation.

I guess I qualify, Bawanna, since I prefer a manual safety. Maybe that would be my answer for CC - get a purse. :rolleyes: It's probably because I grew up with Browning HP's and 1911's, both of which had safeties. I got use to swiping off the safety automatically and still do without thinking whether the pistol has one or not.

[O'Dell]

I purchased my K9 new a couple of months after I had researched them, and I've never looked back! I would have purchased it sooner, except I wrestled awhile with whether to purchase a K9 or a K40. I decided, finally, on the 9mm because that is what the Kahr was originally designed around, and because of the additional round. Still, I was extremely close to purchasing a new K40 just before the COVID-19 effect took hold. (The K9 shoots 124 gr. 9mm +P HP so effortlessly, the K40, too, must be a joy to shoot, no?)



Like you, @O'Dell, my Kahr is what I CC most often, despite its not having a hammer.

rx7sig

I probably should have said 90%, but since this is the KAHR forum, I gave them the benefit of the doubt. I do occasionally carry my Detonics 1911 45 or the S&W CS45. They are the smallest pistols I have after the Kahr PM9 and MK40.

Speaking of the MK40. It's my smallest gun, not the lightest though, and amazes me with it's accuracy and how well I shoot it. It's even better than the PM9. I think it must be the weight and balance.

[Bawanna]

I guess I quality, Bawanna, since I prefer a manual safety. Maybe that would be my answer for CC - get a purse. :rolleyes: It's probably because I grew up with Browning HP's and 1911's, both of which had safeties. I got use to swiping off the safety automatically and still do without thinking whether the pistol has one or not.

I prefer a manual safety myself just for the option. I'm a High Power and 1911 guy so all my guns get the safety swiped weather they have one or not.
With the 365 it's not really needed since it has a Glock like trigger but to me still a nice option to have. And you certainly don't need to carry a purse to carry a 365 with a safety. I just figure there's more junk to hang up in a purse and bad things could happen. You put your hand in a ladies purse lately. My wife will say it's in my purse, I'll tell her you get it, I ain't sticking my hand in that thing and I don't have a week to search for it. No sirree. They taught us in cop school not to put your hand where you can't see, I'm sure they meant ladies purses....................

[gb6491]

The Springfield Armory Hellcat has a Glock style trigger safety, the P365 does not. However, the P365 can be had with a thumb safety or converted to use a thumb safety (or vice versa). The safety consists of the levers (one piece), a spring and plunger plus a grip module cut for the safety.
Regards,
Greg

[dao]

Only drawback is that the P365 only comes in 9mm. Lookin' for .40 or .45 :(

Thanks for the ideas anyway guys!

[rx7sig]

The M11-A1 is a 9x19 Luger pistol, only. However, the M11-A1 accepts the P229 X-Change Kits--which means you can "convert" it to .357 Sig and/or .40 S&W, which is what I did. ...


A caution: I began obsessing about the fact that both the 9mm Luger magazine and the .357 Sig/.40 S&W magazine fit the M11-A1. It occurred to me that during an emergency, someone might grab the wrong magazine! (My teenager daughters know how to operate my pistols, too.) So, to minimize this risk, I've established a protocol for my house:

1. The only magazines that remain loaded and readily accessible at any given time are those that match the caliber that my M11-A1 is currently chambered for. (So, if my M11-A1 is dressed as .357 Sig, then the only magazines that are loaded and accessible are my .357 Sig/.40 S&W magazines, loaded with 125 gr. .357 Sig Underwood GD.) And, ...

2. ... the only boxed ammo that is readily accessible is self-defense HP ammo that matches what the M11-A1 is currently chambered for.

3. I own a P229 SSE, too. It and the M11-A1 use the same magazines. So, I purchased a--another--.357 Sig X-Change kit and .40 S&W barrel for the SSE. At any given time, the SSE and the M11-A1 remain chambered exactly the same!


rx7sig

[yqtszhj]

..... or converted to use a thumb safety (or vice versa). The safety consists of the levers (one piece), a spring and plunger plus a grip module cut for the safety.


So the 365 can be converted to have a safety? That is an interesting thought I might like to try. I’ve grown to like a thumb safety lately and got to where it’s natural for the thumb to sweep one off. I actually now find myself reaching for one even when the pistol I’m shooting doesn’t have it.

[gb6491]

Only drawback is that the P365 only comes in 9mm. Lookin' for .40 or .45 :(

Thanks for the ideas anyway guys!
S&W M&P 45 Shield can be had with a thumb safety. I have two that are solid performers.
The current M&P 2.0 guns can be had with a thumb safety.

Hammer fired: EAA has some nice Tanfoglio pistols available in fotay and 45

Regards,
Greg

[gb6491]

So the 365 can be converted to have a safety? That is an interesting thought I might like to try. I’ve grown to like a thumb safety lately and got to where it’s natural for the thumb to sweep one off. I actually now find myself reaching for one even when the pistol I’m shooting doesn’t have it.
That is correct boss:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LS4uAwUJJk

[dao]

S&W M&P 45 Shield can be had with a thumb safety. I have two that are solid performers.
The current M&P 2.0 guns can be had with a thumb safety.

Hammer fired: EAA has some nice Tanfoglio pistols available in fotay and 45

Regards,
Greg

I'm watching some M&P40 and 45 auctions now. Don't want to go with the Shield though. Want the improved trigger that comes with the 2.0. And the larger safety lever that comes on the non-Shield models. Thanks though!

[gb6491]

I'm watching some M&P40 and 45 auctions now. Don't want to go with the Shield though. Want the improved trigger that comes with the 2.0. And the larger safety lever that comes on the non-Shield models. Thanks though!
The 45 Shield came with an improved trigger that is, IMO, vastly superior to that of the original 9 and 40 Shields. From my limited handling of 2.0 guns, the 45 Shield's trigger is on par with them. The safety is not difficult to operate but I can see where the larger lever could be desirable. Good fortune with your search.
Regards,
Greg

[Barth]

Thanks rx, I'm also looking at P229 and 226's. The M11-A1 would work though I haven't been able to find any in 40.

Got my Classic P229 40 with Made in Germany frame LNIB for $449.50.
The gun is like new and pure sweetness!
https://i.imgur.com/wm7umF5.jpg

[dao]

Nice.
I've been closely watching GB for the last three or so weeks and right now it's definitely a seller's market. There's a red box 229 on now, LNIB but it's priced at $575...

[yqtszhj]

Got my Classic P229 40 with Made in Germany frame LNIB for $449.50.
The gun is like new and pure sweetness!
https://i.imgur.com/wm7umF5.jpg

I have that same exact gun. Police trade in with hardly any holster wear at all. I Like it a lot. I did have the extractor break and had to fix it. Looked like it was a bad MIM’ed part. I just hate how much they wanted for the replacement grips like you have. I ended up going for the $20 hogue version because my plastic version had seat belt wear but the slide and frame were about perfect.

[berettabone]

Double action, single action, about as safe as you can get and a big ole hammer, easily hidden under a shirt with a Remora or high and tight with a Jit holster. IMHO you already have one of the best carry firearms, but you're saving it for your son. I love mine in .40 cal.

[Armybrat]

I second the SP....

[dao]

I have the SK, in 9mm, with 10, 13, and 15rd mags. But looking for something with a little more punch, either in .40 or .45. And preferable something that can be cocked and locked. And a rail for a light. That's not too picky is it? :)

[340pd]

I have the SK, in 9mm, with 10, 13, and 15rd mags. But looking for something with a little more punch, either in .40 or .45. And preferable something that can be cocked and locked. And a rail for a light. That's not too picky is it? :)

I do not wish to start a bar fight but we have ammo reps in our building on a regular basis and from the discussions and gel tests they provide, not one of them tells us there is any difference in stopping power between 9, 40, and .45acp. There are good reasons why LE agencies have continued to rid themselves of 40 cal and opted for 9mm as the duty guns. I love bigger holes but ammo manufacturers have come way to far to ignore their improvements in smaller bore bullet performance.

[dao]

True that. But at o'dark30 if my aim is not the best I want to hedge my bets with the bigger holes, bigger shock, and someone's arm hanging by a thread if that's all I manage to hit.

[dao]

Sig P227R, .45 acp, 10+1, with 14rd factory mags available. Found a good deal on a new old stock example.

And, I now get to put the M18 into my carry rotation :)

[JohnR]

I was looking today. Springfield XDE, HK P2000 and P2000SK are nice hammer fired compact 9mm guns.

[dao]

Yes but, wasn't after a 9mm. And not a compact. Strictly for HD, and loaded for bear :)

[187911]

I do not wish to start a bar fight but we have ammo reps in our building on a regular basis and from the discussions and gel tests they provide, not one of them tells us there is any difference in stopping power between 9, 40, and .45acp. There are good reasons why LE agencies have continued to rid themselves of 40 cal and opted for 9mm as the duty guns. I love bigger holes but ammo manufacturers have come way to far to ignore their improvements in smaller bore bullet performance.
Using real world data from from this study (http://shootingthebull.net/blog/an-alternative-look-at-an-alternate-look-at-handgun-stopping-power/), and even a couple of respected trauma surgeons (once I find the links, I'll cite them here), the consensus is "You want 12-18″ of penetration capability through ballistic gel and, once sufficient penetration is achieved, you want as big of a bullet size as you can possibly get." There's no such thing as stopping power. For handgun ammo, you want a bullet of any caliber that first you can shoot well, then can penetrate to reach vitals, and then can cause the most damage aka bleeding. A larger bullet both will cause more damage, and will have a better chance of hitting vitals... Unlike rifles, handgun ammo mere pokes holes which is why the survival rate is so high.

The only possible improvements in 9mm that they could have possibly made is in better and consistent penetration and expansion. That, or 9mm ammo that performs better out of various barrel sizes respectively. Be that as it may, a 45 ACP that also has similar penetration will still expand to be larger to 9mm no matter what improvements were made to 9mm over the years. Plus, what L.E. choose to issue has a lot to do with cost, politics, and catering to the lowest denominator of officers.

I personally carry 9mm over 40s&w, 357sig, 45acp, 10mm, etc because ammo is cheaper and more plentiful, there's a better selection. Then of course you have a size and capacity advantage as well. With that said, I don't pretend that it's equal to the aforementioned calibers. I just can shoot more 9mm for less, so I'm more competent and comfortable EDC'ing handguns in that caliber.

[gb6491]

Congrats on the P227 DAO!

[dao]

Thanks Greg, I think it will serve me well in it's intended use though I hope I never have to find out. But I will have peace of mind knowing that between my Shepherds and it in a bad situation I should have enough time to get to my real HD should the need arise.

[340pd]

The P227 is a great gun. Practice and buy mags which could dry up if this election goes south.

The stopping power argument will go on forever and this guy will give you a first hand account of that.
A very long interview with a guy who has been there and his account of a guy they shot a dozen times at point blank range is fascinating.
Play it while you are playing internet solitaire. Massad Ayoob asks him some very good questions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd3v_fssabI

[dao]

A lot of wisdom from experience in that interview. Thanks for posting it!

[dao]

Got to lay hands on my new acquisition today. It's funny when it comes to guns how fractions of an inch can make a large difference in feel. My FNX just felt huge in my average to large sized hands. This one, though not much smaller felt just right. These E2 grips are a new thing for me and they make a discernable difference. To be fair the FNX grips were not much wider or deeper, but they were too slick (for me), and required a grip sleeve. The Sig will not. It's got a great texture, maybe even better than the P320's have, or at least they seemed just as good as that. One other difference is the distance to the front of the trigger guard. I could barely reach that with my trigger finger on the FNX but can overlap it by a half inch on the Sig. That will make reaching the button on my light/laser just right, a perfect index point. I'm losing 5rd os capacity but I think this will be the better gun, for me.

Now just need to wait for the the paperwork to come back.

[Bawanna]

Hopefully with a new governor we can do away with that paperwork for CPL holders like the old days.

I also have one in the paperwork holding cell, drives me plumb bonkers. Man pays his money, shouldn't have to wait......

[dao]

Hopefully with a new governor we can do away with that paperwork for CPL holders like the old days.

I also have one in the paperwork holding cell, drives me plumb bonkers. Man pays his money, shouldn't have to wait......

I hear ya Colonel. It's ludicrous to walk into a gun store with a concealed permit in your wallet and a gun on your hip and have to wait for paper to be pushed. Something that only makes sense to the left. What's in your holding cell?

[Bawanna]

It's even worse with a CPL and a Badge! Just ain't right. Part of the issue is the Fed NICS as a courtesy dealt with shops for CPL holders for several years, then they decided they wouldn't do it anymore.
So all back ground checks have to go through local LE. And of course in usual left fashion they made no provision to cover the cost for local LE to have people doing the checks.

Our county is just the worst. Always wait till the 10th day regardless. Shops loved me when I was working, I usually had a response to them as soon as I got the fax. Usually less than an hour.
Some would actually call and say the buyer who we knew, an officer or whatever wanted to wait for the approval. But even people we didn't know got fast approvals.

[dao]

Well I'm in a more conservative county than you, thankfully. My last approval came back in 5 working days which is not the shortest for me so far. I've only had to wait once for the entire 10 days to come and go. Having a badge and having to wait would disgust me entirely.

[dustnchips]

I'm not going to tell you I am from Wisconsin because all of you might decide to move here. I just go to my LLC, fill out two forms that he faxs in and show him my drivers license. The longest I have had to wait was about twenty minutes. Now that I have done business with him enough he faxs in my old paperwork before I get there so I am already approved when I walk in the door. I still have to fill out new paperwork though. Having a CCL has nothing to do with it here. It's the same for everyone.

[dao]

Just got a call, my approval came back. Only took 3 days this time. Off I go to my LGS.

[dao]

Born on date July 2016. New in box with three mags and the grip tool.

I recently used a caliper to measure the grips on my guns (that have since been lost in my boating accident). The grips on the 227 have a slightly different profile than the 229. It has a hump at the bottom of the backstrap much like the 226. But the dimensions of the grip are the same as the 229, and so it fits my hand just as nicely as the 229. Also because I won't need a grip sleeve or any kind of grip tape due to the great texturing of the E2 grips it will not become too large like the FNX did. And as an added bonus the front of the trigger guard is within the reach of my index finger so my light's activation button will be right where I need it to be.

Today I'm going to replace the white front sight with an X-Ray night sight then attach the light and laser and use a bore sighting laser to zero it in. Should be able to get to the range next week to test it, though the larger Sigs generally do not need to be broken in.

All in all I feel fortunate to have found this leftover still available. I lose five rounds of capacity over the FNX but the gun just feels so much better in my hand. Also, the FNX weighed more empty, and much more loaded due to the higher capacity so that's a plus, to me.

It's strange how quickly guns can come and go in companies' catalogues. This is one move that they made that saved me several hundred dollars though.

[dao]

Newest acquisition. I wish it was in .40 but I couldn't pass it up, especially for the price. Used but unfired. HK P30S. Hopefully paperwork will be back this week. Last one only took 3 days so....fingers crossed. Funny how really taking to a 1911 can change your preferences so much.

[yqtszhj]

Newest acquisition. I wish it was in .40 but I couldn't pass it up, especially for the price. Used but unfired. HK P30S. Hopefully paperwork will be back this week. Last one only took 3 days so....fingers crossed. Funny how really taking to a 1911 can change your preferences so much.

Youre going to like that P30. I’ve got 4000+ rounds though mine and never a malfunction of any kind.

[dao]

HK builds nice guns. Soft shooters and like you said they appear to be very reliable. I'm thinking I'll like this one a lot too.

[Armybrat]

I hear ya Colonel. It's ludicrous to walk into a gun store with a concealed permit in your wallet and a gun on your hip and have to wait for paper to be pushed. Something that only makes sense to the left. What's in your holding cell?

Here in Texas we walk in with our LTC, fill out the yellow sheet (or on a laptop), pay the man... and walk out with the piece.

[dao]

Used to be that way here before our densely populated liberal counties voted in extended background checks for the entire state back in 2018, I think it was. Now we get to walk in carrying concealed with our CCW in our wallet, and wait up to 10 days for the bg check to come back. You know because it's logical that we may no longer be able to be trusted without doing the third check in as many weeks or months, and we're already legally carrying.
Liberal logic at work. Treat everyone like a criminal, except the criminals.

[dao]

Not counting the holiday, only a four day wait. Got it home. I'm liking it. Can be carried cocked and locked, and the decocker is not part of the safety lever so no danger of decocking while sweeping it off. Sights are photo-luminescent and quite bright when charged. Range trip next week I'm hoping.

[Bawanna]

The grooved deal on the back is the decocker? And the safety is just the safety?

[berettabone]

You got yourself a fine firearm there............................................. ................I wouldn't want the safety, but my HK utilizes the same decocker in the same location. Gotta like it................................................ .:)

[dao]

Thanks BB. Yessir Colonel it is as you described it.

I used to have a P2000 in .40. Carried it, and liked it a lot. But traded it off when I started looking at SA guns and then realizing how much better I was able to place the first shot with them. If it had been this variant I wouldn't have felt the need to do that. I'd prefer this one in .40 also but my luck wasn't that good when I encountered in the display case. No matter though it will work fine with 15+1 of 9mm. In the Winter I carry a .45 most of the time anyway. Though I do have my nice leather snap holster for the P2000 available for this one if I decide to put it on my belt on the way out the door, just for variety's sake.

[dao]

The revamping of my rotation is almost done. Ordered a nearly pocket sized, large caliber iwb gun today. Springfield XDE 3.3 .45. Nearly everything now can be carried cocked and locked.

[dao]

Took the XDE, the P227, and the P30 out to the range last week along with my wife's new P938 Combat (and my wife as well :o) ). The larger guns all worked perfectly. The XDE is a handful but really only as compared to the P227. The P30, like the 227 is a sweet shooter.
Had a few instances with the P938 where it did not chamber the first round in a fresh mag. This is a fairly common issue with new 938's. Also I was using P938 Legion mags which have a different floorplate than the non-Legion guns and that could have played a part. But it too shot well and she likes it. She has a P238 also which she is perfectly happy with but I wanted her to have something with a little more oomph, especially in the Winter months. She is a fine shot. I told my son that if anyone ever breaks into the house and he's the first to a gun to hand it to his Mom.

[gb6491]

Took the XDE, the P227, and the P30 out to the range last week along with my wife's new P938 Combat (and my wife as well :o) ). The larger guns all worked perfectly. The XDE is a handful but really only as compared to the P227. The P30, like the 227 is a sweet shooter.
Had a few instances with the P938 where it did not chamber the first round in a fresh mag. This is a fairly common issue with new 938's. Also I was using P938 Legion mags which have a different floorplate than the non-Legion guns and that could have played a part. But it too shot well and she likes it. She has a P238 also which she is perfectly happy with but I wanted her to have something with a little more oomph, especially in the Winter months. She is a fine shot. I told my son that if anyone ever breaks into the house and he's the first to a gun to hand it to his Mom.
I like my P30L, I think that the nickle plated, match sear spring you can get for them improves the trigger for a pretty modest $10 (shipping costs aside). Trouble with that is, since I had it apart, I also put in Grayguns' short reset system. That's another $85 and I don't really ride the reset. Still, I do like the trigger better with those two parts installed. It's not as good as my SP01 Phantom with CGW parts, but it didn't cost as much to do either.
Regards,
Greg

[dao]

I'm a little paranoid about doing much with my triggers. I don't go to the range for the enjoyment of shooting so much as to try to keep in practice for CC. I don't know the validity of the statements I've seen regarding prosecuting attorneys having their gunsmiths look for lightened or otherwise altered triggers but it is enough to give me pause. I've put D springs in my Berettas but that's as far as I've gone. That being said I do like refinement in most things and am sure I would appreciate the difference between a so so trigger and a better one. Thanks for the info on the P30 though!