P365 Mag Guts +2 is here

[JohnR]

For you P365ers, you can stuff 14 rounds into your magazine now!

https://magguts.com/product/sig-sauer-p365-xl-2-for-12-round-magazine/

[Canine Dave]

For you P365ers, you can stuff 14 rounds into your magazine now!

https://magguts.com/product/sig-sauer-p365-xl-2-for-12-round-magazine/


Yesss! Rock and Roll!

[Bawanna]

My 365 came with 3 12 round mags, it's impossible for me to load more than about 8 without a mag loader. I got mag guts for one to see how it worked, didn't seem to change the loading difficulty. I loaded enough Glock 21 and MP5 mags at the PD, I usually can stuff em in there.
I shot it for the first time last week, it was plenty accurate, lot of bark for a little 9. It wasn't a love story but it was ok.

[yqtszhj]

Anybody used a magguts +1 or +2 in a Glock G43? I broke down and bought one Monday in a moment of weakness.

[Ed M]

Yeah. put a +1 in one of my 6rd mags,. It's one of those "z" spring thingys.

Easy to install, and works perfectly. The stock mag is almost a 7rd mag anyways, so no big surprises.

My 43 hasn't left the safe since I got my first P365 except for a wipe down and look see.

[340pd]

It would be interesting to know how many brands of guns the P365 has relegated to the back of the safe. For me it was a Shield, Seecamp, PM9, G19, and a couple of snubbies. Sig really changed the definition of the small carry gun.

[Bawanna]

Didn't relegate any of mine to the back of my safe. Actually made me like my PM45 even more.

[DJK11]

Thank you MR. Bawanna. PM45 now we’re talking some sense.

[Canine Dave]

It would be interesting to know how many brands of guns the P365 has relegated to the back of the safe. For me it was a Shield, Seecamp, PM9, G19, and a couple of snubbies. Sig really changed the definition of the small carry gun.

Hard to inagine your 340PD is moldering in the back of your safe.

[Ed M]

It would be interesting to know how many brands of guns the P365 has relegated to the back of the safe.

Depends on attire for me. If I'm wearing OWB, then it's the P365. Pocket carry, it's a PM/CM9. Lighter wins.

[jeepster09]

I get a chuckle out of adding MORE ROUNDS to 365. Most get it because it is small and easy to conceal. When you keep adding MORE ROUNDS kinda loses it's SMALLNESS?
My daughter decided she liked my 365 and now my current small carry is my 45 Shield. 7 rounds of 45acp should be sufficient in most situations. If not my Sig 229 in 357 Sig takes it's place holding 15 rounds.

[Bawanna]

Can't see it, must be camoflaged.;)

I put my 365 in the safe in favor of my Wilson full size 1911.

[Canine Dave]

don't drop that in the weeds!

[King Rat]

For you P365ers, you can stuff 14 rounds into your magazine now!

https://magguts.com/product/sig-sauer-p365-xl-2-for-12-round-magazine/

Lol, what, not 15? Come on Man! Actually I think I will wait until they can get 17 rounds into it.

[DavidR]

Lol, what, not 15? Come on Man! Actually I think I will wait until they can get 17 rounds into it.

They’ve been working on a plus 2 for the 15 round mag so maybe you won’t have to wait long.

[jeepster09]

Hmmm maybe pmag will make a 50 round drum? Then just slip on the bayonet! ULTIMATE conceal carry gun! Could be GLOCKIZED :banplease:

https://live.staticflickr.com/2763/4344625736_d8ee756cca_b.jpg

[King Rat]

They’ve been working on a plus 2 for the 15 round mag so maybe you won’t have to wait long.


And then then they will get on the internet and tell everybody that they are a dead man walking with less than 17, start throwing around how much more a percentage 17 is over 14 etc.

[DavidR]

And then then they will get on the internet and tell everybody that they are a dead man walking with less than 17, start throwing around how much more a percentage 17 is over 14 etc.

And then some self-proclaimed Internet expert will chime in and insist that capacity is meaningless and that high capacity micro 9s are simply a marketing ploy to separate people who know nothing about real guns from their money.

[jeepster09]

And then some internet expert [or mall ninja?] will proclaim he took down a grizzly bear with a .22 :smash:

[King Rat]

And then some self-proclaimed Internet expert will chime in and insist that capacity is meaningless and that high capacity micro 9s are simply a marketing ploy to separate people who know nothing about real guns from their money.


Yes high capacity is meaningless unless you are in a attack by a gang of Cartel Sicarios. Hang out in the Hood looking for fun on a Saturday Night. Or dream about walking into a group of Zombies who want to eat you for lunch. I have never once in my town of a half million people once, seen anyone or head of anyone shooting more than 4 times at the most and that was a cop, or had to actually change out a Magazine. In fact, I do not even know anyone that has actually been in a gun fight. So may we can separate fact from fiction. Tell us how may rounds you usually fire in a normal attack. Lol, "Just the Facts Ma'am."
You might want to train more more for fast draw and the first few rounds fired rather than the last two of a 14 rds magazine. The first round round fired is the most critical. You might be super lucky and get to be the guy that fires the second round. Don't keep pressing your luck.

Now here is a actual fact when you might actually need a Sig with 14 rds.

https://i.imgur.com/zUMbU49.jpg?2

[jeepster09]

This is for those really tough neighborhoods in Minneapolis :=]

[DavidR]

And then some self-proclaimed Internet expert will chime in and insist that capacity is meaningless and that high capacity micro 9s are simply a marketing ploy to separate people who know nothing about real guns from their money.

Didn’t take long at all.

[getsome]

[QUOTE=King Rat;424068]Yes high capacity is meaningless unless you are in a attack by a gang of Cartel Sicarios. Hang out in the Hood looking for fun on a Saturday Night. Or dream about walking into a group of Zombies who want to eat you for lunch. I have never once in my town of a half million people once, seen anyone or head of anyone shooting more than 4 times at the most and that was a cop, or had to actually change out a Magazine. In fact, I do not even know anyone that has actually been in a gun fight. So may we can separate fact from fiction. Tell us how may rounds you usually fire in a normal attack. Lol, "Just the Facts Ma'am."
You might want to train more more for fast draw and the first few rounds fired rather than the last two of a 14 rds magazine. The first round
round fired is the most critical. You might be super lucky and get to be the guy that fires the second round. Don't keep pressing your luck.



Wow King Rat I don’t know where you live but here in Atlanta there are very frequent shootings with multiple rounds fired....Atlanta has a population of about 6 million people of which at least 1 million are crazy animals (many children under 14 years old) with firearms that like to shoot people and aren’t afraid of anything.....This is happening in affluent areas as well as the hood....A couple weeks ago in high dollar Buckhead a pool party fight at a luxury condo spilled out into the parking lot shared with a Home Depot next door and all hell broke loose....3 people were hit going into the store but the thugs all got away.....On the news it showed Police shell case markers as high as 47 rounds fired so these idiots aren’t afraid to empty their high cap magazines and aren’t worried at all where the rounds end up.....Last Christmas a thug fight broke out at very high end Phipps Plaza and the same thing happened with lead flying everywhere except this time one round hit and killed a little girl in her mothers car while driving by on Peachtree Road.......I quess my point is if you live in Mayberry then you are probably good with any old pistol but if you live in Atlanta or any other Democrat run crime infested cesspool city where Law and Order are a thing of the past then you better carry all you can along with several reloads and learn to duck....

[yqtszhj]

[QUOTE=King Rat;424068]Yes high capacity is meaningless unless you are in a attack by a gang of Cartel Sicarios. Hang out in the Hood looking for fun on a Saturday Night. Or dream about walking into a group of Zombies who want to eat you for lunch. I have never once in my town of a half million people once, seen anyone or head of anyone shooting more than 4 times at the most and that was a cop, or had to actually change out a Magazine. In fact, I do not even know anyone that has actually been in a gun fight. So may we can separate fact from fiction. Tell us how may rounds you usually fire in a normal attack. Lol, "Just the Facts Ma'am."
You might want to train more more for fast draw and the first few rounds fired rather than the last two of a 14 rds magazine. The first round
round fired is the most critical. You might be super lucky and get to be the guy that fires the second round. Don't keep pressing your luck.



Wow King Rat I don’t know where you live but here in Atlanta there are very frequent shootings with multiple rounds fired....Atlanta has a population of about 6 million people of which at least 1 million are crazy animals (many children under 14 years old) with firearms that like to shoot people and aren’t afraid of anything.....This is happening in affluent areas as well as the hood....A couple weeks ago in high dollar Buckhead a pool party fight at a luxury condo spilled out into the parking lot shared with a Home Depot next door and all hell broke loose....3 people were hit going into the store but the thugs all got away.....On the news it showed Police shell case markers as high as 47 rounds fired so these idiots aren’t afraid to empty their high cap magazines and aren’t worried at all where the rounds end up.....Last Christmas a thug fight broke out at very high end Phipps Plaza and the same thing happened with lead flying everywhere except this time one round hit and killed a little girl in her mothers car while driving by on Peachtree Road.......I quess my point is if you live in Mayberry then you are probably good with any old pistol but if you live in Atlanta or any other Democrat run crime infested cesspool city where Law and Order are a thing of the past then you better carry all you can along with several reloads and learn to duck....

My mom lives in Holly Springs and has been telling me those same stories. I remember in the 1986 you could go downtown at night as long as you stayed away from certain areas but now anything inside or even near the outside of the perimeter is a war zone every night she is telling me. Even shooting at cars passing by on the interstate. And it’s driving people out of Atlanta to near by counties. She said people are asking her to sell her house all the time for a crazy high amount of money.

[jeepster09]

Wow....time to move to a safer neighborhood. Although Atlanta has been that way for quite some time. I remember back a number of years ago during the Sheriffs campaign that one Sheriff shot the one running against him in Atlanta. Couldn't pay me enough to live there!

Here it is:

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2001-dec-01-mn-10348-story.html

[yqtszhj]

Wow....time to move to a safer neighborhood. Although Atlanta has been that way for quite some time. I remember back a number of years ago during the Sheriffs campaign that one Sheriff shot the one running against him in Atlanta. Couldn't pay me enough to live there!

Here it is:

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2001-dec-01-mn-10348-story.html


Thats a wild story. Sounds like the string of Alabama Governor scandals in the past.

[King Rat]

Didn’t take long at all.


Lol, I guess you are the expert. Anyone that hangs in the hood on a Saturday night looking for fun is. Thanks for the advice. Maybe you could show us how you spray and shoot . Hope you do not take offense if I just stay home. If I do not show up, just start without me. But you go for it Tiger and ya might want to carry more than just 10 rds or more. And as far as Atlanta is concerned, that is the Jungle. I stay out of that place as well. Even the Zombies stay out. Now for some, well it might be right up their alley. And nothing like the Night Life on Peach Tree.
But please remember this. If you think 10 rds is the key to saving your life, Well, the first shot is the most crucial. Yea, you might get lucky and be the second guy that gets off a shot, but do not press you luck. Or just stay the hell out of the stupid places. A more practical approach. At least for me. But hey, I am a boring guy. Have fun!

By the way, I never claimed to be a expert. But these guys are.

https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/the-true-distance-of-a-typical-gunfight/?utm_source=LG+Lounge&utm_campaign=5f8d47ccb8-RSS_LG_Lounge&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e40b2a6d44-5f8d47ccb8-294261181&mc_cid=5f8d47ccb8&mc_eid=2226262e10

[DavidR]

Based on expert advice I’ve dumped the 10 round mag and gone with this. I feel much better now.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210613/aefae7922262c52d0f269938a60f6883.jpg

[jeepster09]

Now dats what i'm talkin 'bout...right there!!!:banplease:

[JohnR]

Thing is, you don’t get to choose how many rounds you need. Fire your three average rounds, are you sure there aren’t any more thugs waiting for you to run out of ammo?

So if you carry a P365, maybe you’ll only need three rounds, maybe you’ll need more. No one’s making you empty the magazine.

[King Rat]

Thing is, you don’t get to choose how many rounds you need. Fire your three average rounds, are you sure there aren’t any more thugs waiting for you to run out of ammo?

So if you carry a P365, maybe you’ll only need three rounds, maybe you’ll need more. No one’s making you empty the magazine.

A couple of things. First I am not about to give up the great EDC trigger of the Kahr for a gun that I would refuse to carry with such a dangerous trigger as the P365. The trigger is way too light and even complained about by fans of the gun. Not giving up the Kahr for a few rounds that has no data anywhere that you need those extra rounds. And loading a P365 magazine is a B*tch. Having to cram extra rounds into one is ridiculous. When testing the 365 with 5 experienced shooters, that was one of the complaints. Many others state this on the internet. Actually many complain that it is tough starting at round 6. For sure, buy a Magula to carry with you.
Now if you personally need those last few rounds, then fine, I have no problem with it. But every gun has concessions and extra rounds I do not need is not one of them.

In fact, My favorite for the Kahr CM9 is the 6 rd magazine with a Pierce grip. Yet I own magguts, 7 rd magazines and Plus 1 grip extensions. I like the way the Kahr shoot much better than the Sig. Not as snappy. And I do not like the very narrow give to receiver. Yes, consider all the options and then you decide.

But let us now go to the great Trigger of the Kahr. No need for a super light, crisp trigger on a EDC. Forget it. All that said, carry what gives you PEACE of MIND. If the 365 does the job for you in that regard, then by all means use it.

https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/trigger-recall-kahr-setting-mark-dao-pistol-triggers/

[DavidR]

Thanks for giving permission to carry a 365.

[King Rat]

Thanks for giving permission to carry a 365.


Your welcome.

[JohnR]

I don’t know enough about the 365 to judge it. I’m just talking in general.

[JohnR]

Oh, and I usually carry a J frame :)

[Bawanna]

I recently got a 365. I'm trying to like it but might take awhile. I stopped and looked at a compact Canik today which is a bit wider and bulkier but I think it would be a good shooter. A little more heft but not much. It's the Elite with the Red Dot on it. I'm NOT a red dot guy or a 9mm guy but I want to try it. Old guys gotta try new stuff now and then I reckon. Unlike other Red Dot's I've tried this one actually came right up and I found the dot right where it belongs. Glocks etc, I have to tilt the gun up and down to find the dot. This one also has fixed sights front and rear which are easily visible thru the red dot sight.
Debating getting it or shooting the 365 some more and see if we can bond.
The 365 is plenty accurate and is very slim and carries well.
It is an absolute bugger to load the mag after around 8. I bought a mag loader. Kind of a pain to clear the chamber to play with it and then have to get the loader to put the round back in.

[340pd]

1. I don't think the P365 trigger is light or dangerous in any way.

2. The mags are hard to load for the first few times. I have 13 of them in different configurations and load them all by hand. I do not know if the maguts springs make it easier or not. Once my SD mags are loaded I see no reason to empty and reload them.

3. As for needing more rounds in your carry gun, that is a personal choice but as someone once said, "following a gunfight, nobody said they had too much ammo"

[Bawanna]

I too don't find the trigger too light or dangerous, never considered it really.

The mags getting easier to load is a wonderful thought and hope that is the case with me. I'll load all my mags and leave them for a bit and reload them a few times.

I never liked the looks of the 365 that much in pictures but in person it is growing on me and it is a pleasure to carry in my Garrett IWB holster. It also fits perfectly in my ankle holster for my PM45 a nice plus.

[yqtszhj]

Funny, my CM9 has about a 4 pound long trigger, but the reason why is all my internals have a mirror polish finish.

[King Rat]

Oh, and I usually carry a J frame :)

I love the J frames. After teaching my son on shooting different firearms, I bought him a LCR22. Told him to learn this gun well, shoot it often and it will hone your skills more than any other firearm. And being 22.cal you can train often. In fact mine is my favorite 22.cal Plinker/Trainer. I have been a advocate for DAO for years. And recently saw this from Lucky gunner.

THE HIDDEN ADVANTAGE OF A REVOLVER

https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/hidden-advantage-shooting-revolvers/


https://i.imgur.com/V3cfVEl.jpg?6

And if the gun God's came down and told me that the only gun I could carry was a 5 shot Snubbie, it would not bother me one bit.

[JohnR]

I've tried to like that .22 LCR. Mine is .22WMR and I assume the trigger is the same as the .22LR and I just don't like it much. It shoots minute of barn door, no matter how much I stabilize it on a rest. Not sure if it's the light weight of the gun, or the sites, or me, or all three. I have other .22LR revolvers that I can shoot much more accurately and are a lot more fun.

[King Rat]

I've tried to like that .22 LCR. Mine is .22WMR and I assume the trigger is the same as the .22LR and I just don't like it much. It shoots minute of barn door, no matter how much I stabilize it on a rest. Not sure if it's the light weight of the gun, or the sites, or me, or all three. I have other .22LR revolvers that I can shoot much more accurately and are a lot more fun.


I will have to agree with Hickcock45 "I like this gun, just something about it". I doubt there is anything wrong with your gun, they are as accurate as you want it to be. These are Point and shoot guns, they teach great fast action shooting so I am not really sure how important the front sight is, other than to see in the Peripheral view. Obviously not target guns. The Little gun has been invaluable for keeping my small barrel,DAO shooting performance honed. A great benefit Since I carry the Kahr's and others. Just curious, you say you like other 22.cal revolvers much better? That is fine, which one's? If the ammo shortage was not here, I would offer to buy it off of you. But then again, I want one in 327 to add to the 22 and LCR9mm.
I watched a few old video's yesterday and it was too much. Headed off to the indoor range and ran a 100 rds through the LCR and 100 rds through the LCP22. No contest the LCR will always kill the LCP. Normally go each weekend and we have informal contest at the outdoor range. We bring a case of Clays and just to some fast, rapid fire shooting with them set up on the Bern. When we finish we set the clays up on the 50 yd bern and just sit back and have some fun.

The Indoor range yesterday was dead, like a ghost town. Not many guns nor any ammo. They did have a create of 20ga bird shot and I bought another 250 rds for $119.00. I bought some the week before and was surprised it was not sold out. Regardless, sorry you and the LCR 22 are not a good match. What 22,cal revolver do you like better.

For others that love shooting a great DAO, Snubbie, here is Hickcock45 with his two cents.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6oW7W7-KIs

[JohnR]

The LCR .22WMR will put six rounds into six different organs, which is probably a feature, not a bug.

[King Rat]

Funny, my CM9 has about a 4 pound long trigger, but the reason why is all my internals have a mirror polish finish.


Just curious, what did you use to polish the CM9? I am not interested in the trigger going down to 4lbs of pull as I find it perfect now. But I am going to polish them up as well. Did you do it all by hand?

[getsome]

For some reason .22 WMR doesn’t seem to work well in short barrel pistols….I had an American Derringer 22 WMR with a 2” barrel and it was the same thing, aim, bang and try to find where it went…..I have a little Ruger Bearcat .22 that I bought to teach my young kids to shoot about 15 years ago and it’s quite accurate with good ammo…….Last year when there was no ammo available I bought a LCR .327 revolver because the shop had no .38 .357 9mm or .45 at that time but had a fair amount of .32 H&R mag and .327 mag ammo available so I bought the gun for the caliber not because of its looks……I fired a couple cylinders of .327 mag and that was more than enough, very loud and hard kicking but the .32 H&R mags are quire pleasant, accurate and fun unless you start counting up what each round costs to shoot…..

[King Rat]

1. I don't think the P365 trigger is light or dangerous in any way.

2. The mags are hard to load for the first few times. I have 13 of them in different configurations and load them all by hand. I do not know if the maguts springs make it easier or not. Once my SD mags are loaded I see no reason to empty and reload them.

3. As for needing more rounds in your carry gun, that is a personal choice but as someone once said, "following a gunfight, nobody said they had too much ammo"


Personally I do not leave Magazine springs loaded for any substantial amount of time. I truly believe they weaken. Yes, I know it is a on going debate, but having been a fan of High End German/English break Barrel Spring rifles, I listened to many of the the after marker spring makers. These are high end top quality springs. Break barrel Spring rifles have to be shot once cocked or stored. It has been a proven fact that leaving one cocked for extended time, will weaken the spring. I believe magazines of firearms suffer the same. I have a LCP that I left with a magazine fully loaded and when I finally emptied the mag, the spring was so weak, it literately had not strength at all.
Kahr makes a great product. And obviously their springs are calculated to fit a precise magazine. One thing that concerns me is the after market magazine extensions. Adding on or two more rounds with the same spring does not make sense. The calculation would be off. I suspect that is why Wolf makes a +5 percent power for the Kahrs. Magazines IMO are one of the most crucial parts of a semi automatic . I believe simple maintenance of changing out the Mag springs is as important as changing out the recoil springs. JMO. If you feel fine with the magguts left loaded then I respect your opinion. I have a couple of the extended magazines bases plates, but did order Wolf extra power mag springs to go with them. However, I am fine with the standard 6 rd mag for EDC. I have spare magazine springs from Wolf for them and change them out periodically. Cheap Insurance.
(just out of curiosity, why would you leave 13 magazines loaded?)

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