New to me Sig 365-not a good fit

[King Rat]

Here is a gun I got on a trade. Already regretting it, but wanted to move the Shotgun.

The buyer said he was short the full amount but asked if I would I take a Sig 365 XL for the difference. I was reluctant, as I had tested one before and just did not like them. The distance to from the Grip to the receiver is way too short for the Off hand which I find as important for a solid grip. The gun is snappy but not hard to control. . I DO NOT like the fat double stack magazines at all for a small gun. When testing the gun last year, we found the 365 would get a lot of felt vibration as shooting continued compared to other Micro 9mm's. The gun came with two 12 rd mags. I noticed that loading the10th round, it was difficult to load so will just stop with 9 rounds. The gun came with a dot sight which I do not like, much prefer to use my Point and shoot skills I have gained from years before.
The difference of the cost from the shotgun was $350.00 including the Red Dot, so not a bad deal considering. I ran 100 rds of American Eagle 124 gr and it ran fine. I called my son up and told him to meet me at the range today and if he likes it, he can have it. Otherwise I will use it to trade for something else.
For sure I much prefer the Kahr. And of course the trigger. This gun I now have is a good quality firearm, much much over rated. To be honest, the old Ruger LC9S was a better buy, A lot of similarity's in them especially the snappy shooting and trigger.



https://i.imgur.com/w2kcTpi.jpg?1



The First Round Fired is the most critical. You may be the lucky guy that gets to fire the second round, but do press your luck. Focus your training and practice on the first three rounds not the last three. Remember it is the Indian not the Arrow that counts.

[BirdsThaWord]

Hopefully your son reads this thread and says “I like it”. With what you have in it, that was a great deal on your side.:cool:

[Covert Kahr]

I’ll give you 50 for it just to help you get something out of a bad gun. I’ll even throw in a Kahr frame and trigger kit.

[guido4198]

In the event your son decides against it. let me know. I've been wanting to play around with a 365 w/ red dot but local supply, and price are making that difficult.
I'm not at all convinced that a red dot is a good idea on an EDC defensive handgun. I'm suspect my concern is born out of lack of practice with one. I LOVE the red dots I've installed on hunting guns. I have one on a Thompson Contender, and one on a .458 Win Mag rifle. I don't "snap shoot" when I'm hunting...even Cape Buffalo have been taken at close range..( 25 yards in one case) with aimed shots. I've handled Sig 365's w/ red dot at gun shows. When I bring the gun up to a firing position I find myself losing critical time "looking for the dot". Is that just lack of familiarity and practice..??
Thanks.

[King Rat]

In the event your son decides against it. let me know. I've been wanting to play around with a 365 w/ red dot but local supply, and price are making that difficult.
I'm not at all convinced that a red dot is a good idea on an EDC defensive handgun. I'm suspect my concern is born out of lack of practice with one. I LOVE the red dots I've installed on hunting guns. I have one on a Thompson Contender, and one on a .458 Win Mag rifle. I don't "snap shoot" when I'm hunting...even Cape Buffalo have been taken at close range..( 25 yards in one case) with aimed shots. I've handled Sig 365's w/ red dot at gun shows. When I bring the gun up to a firing position I find myself losing critical time "looking for the dot". Is that just lack of familiarity and practice..??
Thanks.

I also found the same thing with the Red Dot in that I lost critical time. I have spent too many years honing point and shoot skills to now start with a Red Dot. My son did not care for the gun, but said he did like the Red Dot and believes that for him the future is in Red dots and he wants to train with one. He is most likely shipping out to Iraq with the National guard in Nov. So I am at limbo what to do with the gun. I see the new Kimber R7 Mako is out and so far, if a red dot is what a person prefers, it seems that the Mako is designed specially for one. A better designed pistol so I may trade up for the Mako and have it for him when he returns. The only thing that bother me about the Mako from what I have seen so far is the trigger is not a safe EDC gun at all.
Personally, I feel like I am set for life with the guns I do have. Guns are made for shooting often and with a ammo shortage even buying a new gun now is not time if you like to shoot often.

It seems EDC gun now are becoming more of a "Combat" firearm than Practical EDC. I am convinced the Kahr CM9 etc. remains one of the best out there. Light weight, smallest in size and again a fantastic trigger. Maybe in the future, the way things are going we will need a good combat carry. But not quite there yet.

[Bawanna]

With our department Glocks that had red dots installed I too found myself looking for the dot. When I held my relatively new Canik compact the red dot always seemed to be right there. Just holding it close to check if the dot still works, sometimes I can't find it, but any thing close to a shooting position it's right there. I'm trying to focus on still looking at the sights which of course always brings the dot into place.

I'm not been a big Red Dot advocate but it sure aided in accuracy at the range. Course I never shot this Canik without the red dot so could be a fluke. My full size Canik is plumb accurate without the dot??

Only the XL 365 comes with the dot so my standard will remain without the dot. I'm not in love with the 365 either but I continue to play with it. It does carry real nice, thin, light and comfy. The Canik being thicker still don't carry too bad, wear it all day without issue, course being a 1911 guy it's like it's not even there.

[BirdsThaWord]

I had the 365, put a red dot on it, but found myself saying the same thing you guys are. It took time to find the dot. Going through that learned me though. That red dot is what pushed me to get a training laser and start training instinctive shooting. That vastly improved my 1st shot placement from a draw or ready. That and reading that many people have reported never having looked at their sights when a defense situation required them to shoot. With adrenaline pumping, I could imagine. To me, having to find that dot before pulling the trigger is not a lot different than carrying without a round in the chamber. “Hold on Mr Bad Guy! I’ve gotta find my dot, or I’ve gotta rack my slide”. I don’t know about follow up shots, but I can put the 1st shot on target waaaaay quicker now doing the instinctive shooting.

[jeepster09]

I bought a new Sig 320X Compact and then bought a red dot for it. I did not like the dot and it came right off.
I think you need to be in the age group that does not know what a wall phone is perhaps to like them :blushing: I did like my 365 though...

[getsome]

I bought a new Sig 320X Compact and then bought a red dot for it. I did not like the dot and it came right off.
I think you need to be in the age group that does not know what a wall phone is perhaps to like them :blushing: I did like my 365 though...

I agree 100%….I hated the peep sights on my M&P-15 AR rifle, I couldn’t really see well enough to make an accurate shot so I bought a very expensive red dot sight for it thinking this high tech thing would fix my old eyes and make me a good shooter again……After three range trips trying to make the thing work it just wasn’t cutting it…..I found myself moving the rifle around trying to center the dot but it just wasn’t for me so I bought a decent flip up square notch rear sight to hook up with the factory post front sight that I’m used to seeing in my brain and it worked, I’m not half bad with that set up even with not so good eyesight……Technology is great if it works for you but I’ll take old school if It lets me hit what I’m aiming at……

[yqtszhj]

I can make a red dot work pretty good on a rifle because I can get cheek to stock consistent and easily. Now a pistol, that just doesn’t work for me. Much faster with iron sights.

[guido4198]

Like King Rat said:
"It seems EDC gun now are becoming more of a "Combat" firearm than Practical EDC. I am convinced the Kahr CM9 etc. remains one of the best out there. Light weight, smallest in size and again a fantastic trigger. Maybe in the future, the way things are going we will need a good combat carry. But not quite there yet."

I've survived combat operations on three continents in my life. When I have gone into places where a gunfight was likely I carried a Browning Hi-Power or full size Government model Colt 45 auto.
EDC in the continental US of A is a whole different situation, or at least it has been most of my life. That might be changing and I'll feel the need to bring the Hi-Power or Mark IV Series 70 .45 out of retirement again. I hope not, but the civil environment in America has definitely become less safe.
My practice routine with the handguns I use for EDC is 90 % Close, Fast and with no "sighting" beyond getting the front sight into the middle of the target. The target is a blank sheet of 11x17 copy paper btw. I don't use my purpose built shooting glasses with lenses ground for iron sight shooting since I won't have them on me at that moment when I need my sidearm to save my life or the life of another. About 10% of my range time is spent on longer shots, using the sights just to establish in my mind what my capabilities are with my EDC handgun for aimed shooting should I ever have time to aim. There's no question that in those situations, a red dot would be a real benefit. As I mentioned earlier..I have one on my T/C Contender and well aimed, tight groups are easily attainable.
For most of my "up close and personal" practice however....THIS GUY is in the back of my mind screaming...QUICKLY..QUICKLY..QUICKLY..!!!!!!
https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.7rJj17S7MhVnX9vaSQ5mEAHaDt&pid=Api&P=0&w=349&h=175

[dustnchips]

I agree. I practice with one side of a paper grocery bag, no markings. I usually carry a 380 so I put six in it as fast as I can. If I ever have to shoot at a bad guy I hope he is wearing a light brown sweater.

[yqtszhj]

My favorite target is two 10 inch paper plates taped to a cardboard backing one about 15 inches above the other at 7 to 10 yards. 2 shots on the bottom plate and one on the top plate as fast as I can.

[guido4198]

I agree. I practice with one side of a paper grocery bag, no markings. I usually carry a 380 so I put six in it as fast as I can. If I ever have to shoot at a bad guy I hope he is wearing a light brown sweater.
ROTFLMAO..!!!
Done with the morning coffee or that could have cost me a keyboard..!!
Someone asked me why I’m shooting at a plain, 11x17 unmarked sheet of copy paper. I held one against his torso with the top edge just under his neck.
“ OH..!” Was all he said. Lottsa folks ‘round here in plain white “ T’s”.

[tokuno]

18075
I think you need to be in the age group that does not know what a wall phone is perhaps to like them :blushing: I did like my 365 though...
On a recent bike ride with my wife & daughter, we chanced upon this at the Bay Trail Visitor's Center . . . hadn't seen one in so long that I felt compelled to take a picture.

[Bawanna]

Wow, that is pretty rare, hadn't thought about it much but I can't remember the last time I saw one. Wonder if it works.

[DavidR]

What is it?

[yqtszhj]

What is it?

i think it’s a slot machine at a sidewalk casino,

[I_Like_Turtles]

I'd very much like to try the Sig P365 XL but just can't justify the cost. A friend has one, loves it, I'll try it at some point.

Right now the only autos I'm carrying are both .45's. One is the Kahr CW45 and the other is a 1911.

[berettabone]

I go out into the back yard and hang a 10" reactive target on a dead tree. 7 yards. 10 yards. I hang it about chest high. Sometimes, I just pick a dead tree that hasn't been shot at, and empty a mag. I've always liked the suggestion that has been mentioned here numerous times. Start at the waist and just let the firearm rise up on its own. For defensive purposes, I carry either a Ruger SP101 in .357 or my .40 H&K. That shooting theory works well with those calibers imho...............................

[340pd]

I loved my PM9 and carried it everywhere UNTIL I shot the P365. That gun just fits me perfectly.
I am spending a lot of time learning to shoot quickly very slowly and I find that extra half second between shots really works. In today's world of multiple carjackers, the amount of carried ammo just might become important. So much so that I added a CT laser to my second P365 and ordered a Vedder Lighttuck holster with the wing just to see if the extra width would affect my AIWB carry. It works, even with the 12 round mag.
My thoughts with the laser, it might just be enough to put the fear of God into the bad guy enough so I may not have to pull the trigger.

To those that carry AIWB, consider the possibility that any extra length in the XL version might cause discomfort while seated for a long time.

[medezyner]

340pd: +1 on the laser being a possible deterrent. Just put one on my P380. I figure that 380 is so small, a BG might not see it and think you're pointing a finger at him...until he gets swept with the red dot.

[340pd]

Just for giggles, I just installed a Wilson Combat grip module on one of my P365's. It offers more aggressive stippling, a slightly longer beaver tail, and a slight palm swell which makes the gun fit much better than the stock grip with the least aggressive Talon's that I have on.
I was not looking for an improvement in accuracy, just a better grip with sweaty hands and this certainly offers that.
https://i.postimg.cc/rwT5Gqpc/WC-P365.jpg (https://postimg.cc/fJH3DnXg)

[BirdsThaWord]

Just for giggles, I just installed a Wilson Combat grip module on one of my P365's. It offers more aggressive stippling, a slightly longer beaver tail, and a slight palm swell which makes the gun fit much better than the stock grip with the least aggressive Talon's that I have on.
I was not looking for an improvement in accuracy, just a better grip with sweaty hands and this certainly offers that.
https://i.postimg.cc/rwT5Gqpc/WC-P365.jpg (https://postimg.cc/fJH3DnXg)
Looks GREAT!

[Bawanna]

I see you did the flat trigger thing on yours as well. I did mine, pretty happy with it.

[DavidR]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220211/afc3fe12b62a9f59907f7c010470f1f1.jpg
I have small hands so I actually prefer the standard 365 grip with a 12 round mag and a Tactical Development straight grip sleeve. The one on the right. This grip sleeve fits better than the stock Sig sleeve and doesn’t have the forward pinky flare.

The XL grip on the left has a bit of a mag well flare and a longer beaver tail.

The 365 on the right is ergonomic perfection for me.

[mr surveyor]

small hands? That is NOT politically correct .... it's "digitally challenged hands" (I know - been there 68 years :) )


jd

[pk1313]

Have any of you shot the SIG SAS with the Mepro FT Bullseye? I have the Mepro FT Bullseye on one of my PM9's and it is super accurate at 7yds slow fire, I have yet to play around with it for point/shoot. I have been carrying a P9 Covert with NO SIGHTS for years. The SIG SAS just looks interesting.

[DavidR]

I have not shot the SAS version. Most of the guys on Sig Talk don’t like it. Complaints are generally that the no snag controls are too small and the sights are hard to acquire in good lighting and non existent in low or no lighting.

I’d love to rent one and try it out for myself.

[DavidR]

small hands? That is NOT politically correct .... it's "digitally challenged hands" (I know - been there 68 years :) )


jd

Thanks for the clarification. I’ve only been digitally challenged for 63 years.

[berettabone]

It's always a good thing when you find that "perfect" pistola..............not my cup o tea but sure looks better with that grip module. :)

[340pd]

Thanks for the clarification. I’ve only been digitally challenged for 63 years.

Two responses, I have tried the Mepro sight on a once owned Glock 19. It is very easy to pick up if you choose the color that is best for you.
The Sig SAS is a clever little gun but if you intend on using the dot in the slide, you are probably fooling yourself.
Living in the suburbs of Minneapolis and working at a range with a lot of cops in and out, few of us are probably really prepared for the wide variety of crimes that are being committed, especially carjacking which are going on at a rate of a couple per day in my area. Appendix carry works if you buckle in and then get the grip of your gun exposed for quick access. I have taken to wearing coats or vests with the zippered pocket on the outside designed for cell phones. When driving I will put a pocket holstered gun and leave the grip exposed.
Winter with ice and snow here so I find myself walking in a mall a lot and my 340pd in a pocket holster in the rear pocket of my jeans makes the entire grip of my revolver exposed and easily covered up with a light cover garment.

We are an odd lot when it comes to switching guns for what we expect the type of crime that might befall us. I have gone from a 340pd because of it's very light weight, to a glock 19 for capacity, Kahr PM9 for size, Sig P365 again for capacity, and now for walking, back to the 340PD because it is so friggin light.
LG 405 laser grips and a speed strip in my watch pocket makes me feel better about accuracy of shot placement and capacity.

[King Rat]

Living in Minneapolis you need a combat gun not a EDC. And I wonder how long before we all do?

They love to burn, loot and Torch.

https://i.imgur.com/3M14Fq1.png

[340pd]

Fortunately I am a miles away but the crime is spreading into the burbs. May be a good thing if a few of the woke get awakened to the problem first hand. We did have an interesting post on our local crimewatch. Someone was admitted to the hospital with a gunshot wound to the face. Preceding that was a call into 911 from a guy who said he was involved in an attempted carjacking and he fired a couple of rounds at his attacker.

:o