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Armybrat
01-13-2023, 02:27 PM
I guess this is why we have seen little to no innovation with the Kahr line itself. Justin Moon apparently is focused on the colorizing of the other lines.
:rolleyes:
getsome
01-13-2023, 02:45 PM
:puke:
JohnR
01-18-2023, 07:59 PM
Shot Show is underway. Kahr does have a booth, but…
I saw in interview with one of the exhibitors at shot yesterday. He said something to the effect that if you're not innovating you're going backwards, because all the big players are innovating. I'm paraphrasing a bit but that's the gist of it. Methinks that Justin's heart is just not into this aspect of the industry any longer. Perhaps those calendar lovelies are taking up all of his time?
Bawanna
01-18-2023, 09:12 PM
Forgot about the posters. I have 3 that coworkers who usually went to SHOT got for me. All 3 were autographed. Mr. Moons wife is one that still holds a place of honor in thy man cave. She was reluctant to sign at first but they said it was for bawanna and she signed and went behind the curtain and brought back a back of trinkets, pins, stickers etc. No idea why bawanna would mean anything to her but no matter, I got the signed poster.
BirdsThaWord
01-18-2023, 09:51 PM
Well that’s pretty dang cool! Maybe they/she are lurking here and see how much input & value you add!!!
That's cool Colonel. Wasnt' she one of the poster/calendar girls at one time?
Bawanna
01-19-2023, 12:10 AM
That's the poster still hanging up that she signed. The Thin is in year. Still have the others but I just don't have hardly any wall space. Need a bigger room.
JohnR
01-19-2023, 07:19 AM
Even Hi Point has a "new" pistol design, or redesign. And it's every bit as hideous as the old one.
So, Justin has released a Trump P9 or TP9 at Shot Show. It's called the MAGA Edition. Didn't see anything different about it other than "Donald J Trump" and MAGA printed on one side of the slide, and the Presidential Seal on the other side. If that's all that they were interested in doing I'm not sure why they even bothered to have a booth. Perhaps there was more?
Yankee Marshall said I don't know why they didn't do a Biden Edition. It would look real nice, at first, and then blow up in your face when you tried to use it. Go Brandon.
getsome
01-19-2023, 09:02 PM
So, Justin has released a Trump P9 or TP9 at Shot Show. It's called the MAGA Edition. Didn't see anything different about it other than "Donald J Trump" and MAGA printed on one side of the slide, and the Presidential Seal on the other side. If that's all that they were interested in doing I'm not sure why they even bothered to have a booth. Perhaps there was more?
Yankee Marshall said I don't know why they didn't do a Biden Edition. It would look real nice, at first, and then blow up in your face when you tried to use it. Go Brandon.
The new Brandon edition TP9 would be completely transparent……..:lie:
JohnR
01-20-2023, 07:34 AM
It would also have a lot of malfunctions, because, “I don’t work for you!”
berettabone
01-20-2023, 09:31 AM
It would be covered in white dust and say Made in China on the slide.
Or finish in brown, because sh7t happens
LabTrek
01-21-2023, 06:01 PM
Looks like it’s finally coming. Been hearing rumblings around here for awhile. Was expecting it about a year ago, “double stack” Kahr looks to be a reality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDj-59sWckI
Armybrat
01-21-2023, 07:08 PM
Looks like it’s finally coming. Been hearing rumblings around here for awhile. Was expecting it about a year ago, “double stack” Kahr looks to be a reality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDj-59sWckI
Well by gawd! It’s about time!
I hope they make all their calibers in double stack. I know I’d buy two each of the 9mm and .380.
Hooray! The only things I saw at shot show (video), besides the Trump TP9 were Desert Eagles, Tommy Guns, and Auto Ordnance 1911's. And it's really good to hear that there will be "never before seen things" that will make the wait worthwhile. Whatever they may be it shows that Justin has decided to not only stay in the game but perhaps to break some new ground again.
JohnR
01-22-2023, 05:25 AM
Don’t tease us. It’s not April 1 is it?
Bawanna
01-22-2023, 11:41 AM
Hopefully it will be pleasing to those wanting more capacity. Hopefully it won't detract too much from the production of the guns already on the market which doesn't seem to be too many already. I'll stick with the single stacks myself. If I feel the need for more bullets I'll get a bigger gun. I like big guns, I also like big firearms.
Armybrat
01-22-2023, 12:45 PM
I see what you did there, Colonel.
jeepster09
01-26-2023, 08:09 AM
Kahr's new models......designed to blend in for discreet carry! :w00t:
Planedude
01-27-2023, 08:38 AM
Well, I’ll buy one because I can, but I expect to keep my PM9 for carry and the double stack Wonder Nine for my house and range gun. Ammo gets heavy in the pocket after 8 to 10 hours…
Peace
King Rat
01-28-2023, 03:49 AM
Well, I’ll buy one because I can, but I expect to keep my PM9 for carry and the double stack Wonder Nine for my house and range gun. Ammo gets heavy in the pocket after 8 to 10 hours…
Peace
Bu Bu But you are a dead man walking if you do not have a double stack magazine. Everybody knows that. Just think of the single stacks that were carried for so many years before the Sig 365 double stack came out. All those poor souls are now all dead. And do not forget that they did not even come with a Red Dot. How the hell or you going to shoot someone at 100 yds without one? Think again Buddy. What the hell is wrong with you? You trying to be "Practical"? Don't you know that Practical is out, chasing psssiblities is the new IN?
And when the Zombies come (and they will come) you will be toast without a Double stack EDC. Now get off your butt and buy one and start to carry about 5 spare magazine's as well.
https://i.imgur.com/qNeNp0y.png
JohnR
01-28-2023, 06:25 AM
I thought I needed a Python for the zombies. ;)
Chances of needing a gun on any given day: 0.5%
When that day comes, chances of needing more than five rounds: 10%?
So 10% of 0.5% is 0.05%.
jeepster09
01-28-2023, 07:17 AM
Be prepared.....
yqtszhj
01-28-2023, 08:41 AM
I thought I needed a Python for the zombies. .
Thats what I tell my wife. If someone tells her it ain’t so I’m gonna have to come up with a new story.
JohnR
01-28-2023, 09:16 AM
Tell her it’s either that, or a Tippman 9mm gatling gun. :cool:
Bawanna
01-28-2023, 10:38 AM
I thought I needed a Python for the zombies. ;)
Chances of needing a gun on any given day: 0.5%
When that day comes, chances of needing more than five rounds: 10%?
So 10% of 0.5% is 0.05%.
This right here unless of course you live in Chicago, Seattle, New York or California.
JohnR
01-28-2023, 10:52 AM
Kidding aside, if we can have more rounds in the same size gun, why wouldn’t we, all other things being equal? Weight will be more, of course.
DavidR
01-28-2023, 11:53 AM
I thought I needed a Python for the zombies. ;)
Chances of needing a gun on any given day: 0.5%
When that day comes, chances of needing more than five rounds: 10%?
So 10% of 0.5% is 0.05%.
But what if you find yourself surrounded by a pack of wild hyenas?
5 rounds ain’t gonna cut it.
djd100
01-28-2023, 04:18 PM
This right here unless of course you live in Chicago, Seattle, New York or California.
Actually Bawanna, the opposite is true surprisingly enough...
Gun Violence by State
Based on the number of gun deaths per capita (https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-deaths-per-capita-by-state) in 2019 alone, states with the most gun violence are:
Alaska (https://worldpopulationreview.com/states/alaska-population) - 24.4
Mississippi (https://worldpopulationreview.com/states/mississippi-population) - 24.2
Wyoming (https://worldpopulationreview.com/states/wyoming-population) - 22.3
New Mexico (https://worldpopulationreview.com/states/new-mexico-population) 22.3
Alabama (https://worldpopulationreview.com/states/alabama-population) - 22.2
Louisiana (https://worldpopulationreview.com/states/louisiana-population) - 22.1
Missouri (https://worldpopulationreview.com/states/missouri-population) - 20.6
South Carolina (https://worldpopulationreview.com/states/south-carolina-population) - 19.9
Arkansas (https://worldpopulationreview.com/states/arkansas-population) - 19.3
Montana (https://worldpopulationreview.com/states/montana-population) - 19.3
2020, and 2023 are similar so are far.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-violence-by-state
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm# (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm#!)!
djd100
01-28-2023, 04:20 PM
Personally I'd love a slightly wider grip'd PM9 with 10+1 flush fit (I'm in CA with it's 10 rd limit), which would compete perfectly with the Sig 365 IMO!
JohnR
01-28-2023, 04:30 PM
Actually Bawanna, the opposite is true surprisingly enough...
2020, and 2023 are similar so far.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-violence-by-state
I think the comment (mine at least) was about being attacked by multiple assailants, which would seem more likely in the large gang-ridden cities.
Armybrat
01-28-2023, 05:21 PM
Personally I'd love a slightly wider grip'd PM9 with 10+1 flush fit (I'm in CA with it's 10 rd limit), which would compete perfectly with the Sig 365 IMO!
Agreed, with 12 or 15 round extended magazines available.
Armybrat
01-28-2023, 05:27 PM
Actually Bawanna, the opposite is true surprisingly enough...
2020, and 2023 are similar so are far.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-violence-by-state
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm# (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm#!)!
Do those numbers include suicides?
I would also like to see the numbers between democrat & republican controlled cities with populations of 100,000 or more.
Armybrat
01-28-2023, 05:28 PM
Pretty cool belt-fed .22 Gatling Gun:
http://tippmannarmory.com/22lr-gatling-gun/
Video from Shot Show:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=_eJqYftL4uY&embeds_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2F&feature=emb_logo
Bawanna
01-28-2023, 05:29 PM
Actually Bawanna, the opposite is true surprisingly enough...
2020, and 2023 are similar so are far.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-violence-by-state
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm# (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm#!)!
I'd have to wonder if they separate true homicides from folks being shot that desperately deserved to be shot. All those states on the list seem like pretty high, it's ok to defend yourself states.
yqtszhj
01-28-2023, 06:45 PM
The homicide rate link at the cdc paints a little different picture but still interesting. Mississippi and Louisiana are 30%+ higher that anybody else.
My state ranks #3 but I can tell you much of it is inner city violence that you see on TV every single day.
tokuno
01-28-2023, 10:58 PM
Actually Bawanna, the opposite is true surprisingly enough...
2020, and 2023 are similar so are far.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-violence-by-state
(https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm#!)https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm#!
With respect to % likelihood of one of us involved in a defensive shoot, I'd want them to parse those numbers a bit. For instance, I'd remove suicides by gun (probably large # in Alaska), gun deaths via legal law enforcement encounter, and hunting accidents, to start. Might be some more groups of gun deaths that are irrelevant to personal defense.
Running the numbers is a fun guessing game, though.
If I were to guess I'd have a single defensive shooting encounter in my remaining life, with say a 25% risk of needing more than 8 rounds, my daily likelihood is .003%-ish, I think.
King Rat
01-29-2023, 04:41 AM
On a couple of other gun forums they did a poll on how many shots you have fired in shooting. Very few, and even used their gun, and the numbers became so much less after one shot, to the point that after three shots were practically nil. Of course no one had ever used a second magazine.
What drives me crazy is that the Libs that put how so much anti gun regulations refuse to publish or spout the facts that the vast majority of shooting take black by one demographic of people in Crap Holes across America, like Baltimore, Houston, etc. Can you imagine that if you took the number of shooting and subtracted those crap hole shooting, how low the numbers would be? And yet these thousands of shooting are from people that DO NOT CONFORM to gun laws.
Gun laws to to them are a total joke.
Look at this one area below. And check out how many shooting each day, each week, and each month. And this place is only rated in about 10th Place. CNN and other Lib propaganda networks will refuse to tell you that IT is They that do the majority of the killings!
https://heyjackass.com/
dustnchips
01-29-2023, 07:40 AM
Usually there is no separation of cause. 2/3 are suicides. Of the other 1/3 not very many are justified. I havent looked up the numbers in a couple of years so I am working from memory.
Armybrat
01-29-2023, 08:01 AM
Yeah, the antigunners have always been dishonest when it comes to gun homicide statistics.
They won’t ever change with that schtick.
kenemoore
01-29-2023, 10:17 AM
I have many friends that are firearm enthusiast. One friend had to brandish his weapon, once, at a camp ground. Otherwise, no one has ever had to pull, or shoot their weapon.
Armybrat
01-29-2023, 12:32 PM
The only time I have ever been present at a real shooting situation was August 1st, 1966 when Charles Whitman shot almost four dozen people, killing 16, from atop the University of Texas Tower (the administration & library building).
Since I (a University summer school student) was crouching behind a car about 250-300 yards away, a defensive handgun would have been of no use even though I had an unobstructed view and could clearly see him leaning over the concrete parapet firing his Remington 700ADL 6mm magnum bolt action rifle.
In fact the first Austin police officer on the scene was killed while firing his .38 Special service revolver at Whitman from behind a concrete balustrade. Whitman shot him between the balusters. My brother was about 50 yards away and helped move his body under the covering fire from students who began to shoot back with their deer rifles.
However, if a member of the visiting tourist family that encountered Whitman up in the Tower reception room had been armed, it is possible the ensuing massacre wouldn’t have taken place. Instead, Whitman killed two of them on the entrance stairs.
After 90 minutes into the incident, two APD officers finally killed the sniper Whitman with multiple rounds from a 12 gauge shotgun. One officer did shoot him 6 times with his .38 Special, but the first shotgun round blew the side of his head off. Apparently none of the .38s were lethal hits.
Anyway, after that horrifying experience that has stuck in my mind for almost 57 years, I’d like more rounds available above what a single stack offers. But that is just me.
I had taken my girlfriend up to that same observation deck one afternoon to look around only a month before Whitman did his evil work.
djd100
01-30-2023, 07:57 PM
I think the comment (mine at least) was about being attacked by multiple assailants, which would seem more likely in the large gang-ridden cities.
No doubt!
djd100
01-30-2023, 08:00 PM
Usually there is no separation of cause. 2/3 are suicides. Of the other 1/3 not very many are justified. I havent looked up the numbers in a couple of years so I am working from memory.
Typically 1/2 are suicides, the rest assorted, but rifles and shotguns are a tiny minority compared to hand guns and knives/clubs etc (so much for the so called assault weapon laws etc).
djd100
01-30-2023, 08:03 PM
Do those numbers include suicides?
I would also like to see the numbers between democrat & republican controlled cities with populations of 100,000 or more.
I think so, as suicides are typically 50% of gun deaths.
dustnchips
01-31-2023, 06:10 AM
Suicides were 2/3 in the past. I would like to see them remove gang on gang and see how that affects the numbers. The last numbers I saw the deadly assalt style rifle made up about 6% of the guns in the US while all rifles cause about 1% of the gun deaths. More anti gun logic at work on the assalt rifle bans.
Armybrat
01-31-2023, 09:31 AM
Feds and the rest of the anti-gun groups will always try to obfuscate those statistics & terms, just like they do with the so-called “assault weapon/weapons of war” labeling.
Never forget, the DHS calls AR15 & M4 carbines “defensive rifles” when procuring them for their armed agencies, but Biden and the anti-gun/anti-2nd Amendment fanatics label semiautos of all sorts owned by the citizens as “assault weapons/weapons of war”.
djd100
01-31-2023, 11:53 AM
Suicides were 2/3 in the past. I would like to see them remove gang on gang and see how that affects the numbers. The last numbers I saw the deadly assalt style rifle made up about 6% of the guns in the US while all rifles cause about 1% of the gun deaths. More anti gun logic at work on the assalt rifle bans.
Gang ridden cities are not really a dem/repub issue, it's more of a city/population density/poverty issue.
Homicide stats for America's biggest cities (Per Capita)
Memphis, Tenn. 306 homicides. The homicide rate was 48.7 per 100,000.
Detroit. 303 homicides. ...
Milwaukee, Wis. 195 homicides. ...
Atlanta. 159 homicides. ...
Kansas City, Mo. 156 homicides. ...
Louisville, Ky. 192 homicides. ...
Indianapolis. 239 homicides. ...
Las Vegas. 152 homicides.
As you can see there are actually more repub led cities at the top of the list as the problem is a combination of poverty, lack of upward mobility, traditional family value breakdown, and of course drugs along with lenient sentencing guidelines in many cases (repeat offenders!).
Around 13% of the population causes near 50% of the violence, mostly concentrated among African Americans and Native Americans (NA's are a tiny fraction of the total population and that number, but have a higher per capita murder rate than most). Whites, Asians, and Hispanics are all similar in per capita murder percentages.
Both sides of government have failed this issue forever, as most in government are more interested in making themselves rich than anything else.
OK, back on topic, sorry for the derailment!
I want a hybrid double stack PM9 about the same width as a PM45, with the roughly 4" grip height (and a rail too!). I run my PM9 with a Hogue grip sleeve, so the slightly wider frame would be awesome for me!).
P.S. Air Force brat here LOL!
berettabone
01-31-2023, 03:11 PM
Gang ridden cities are not really a dem/repub issue, it's more of a city/population density/poverty issue.
Homicide stats for America's biggest cities (Per Capita)
Memphis, Tenn. 306 homicides. The homicide rate was 48.7 per 100,000.
Detroit. 303 homicides. ...
Milwaukee, Wis. 195 homicides. ...
Atlanta. 159 homicides. ...
Kansas City, Mo. 156 homicides. ...
Louisville, Ky. 192 homicides. ...
Indianapolis. 239 homicides. ...
Las Vegas. 152 homicides.
As you can see there are actually more repub led cities at the top of the list as the problem is a combination of poverty, lack of upward mobility, traditional family value breakdown, and of course drugs along with lenient sentencing guidelines in many cases (repeat offenders!).
Around 13% of the population causes near 50% of the violence, mostly concentrated among African Americans and Native Americans (NA's are a tiny fraction of the total population and that number, but have a higher per capita murder rate than most). Whites, Asians, and Hispanics are all similar in per capita murder percentages.
Both sides of government have failed this issue forever, as most in government are more interested in making themselves rich than anything else.
OK, back on topic, sorry for the derailment!
I want a hybrid double stack PM9 about the same width as a PM45, with the roughly 4" grip height (and a rail too!). I run my PM9 with a Hogue grip sleeve, so the slightly wider frame would be awesome for me!).
P.S. Air Force brat here LOL! Is that a list from 1960?
dustnchips
01-31-2023, 04:14 PM
@brettabone, That is per 100,000 population, not total number.
berettabone
01-31-2023, 06:30 PM
I can't believe that Baltimore and Chicago aren't on the list.
JohnR
01-31-2023, 07:55 PM
14.5 murders in Jacksonville per hundred thousand, in 2020.
St. Louis is at 64.54 per 100,000, ranked 9th in the world way behind a bunch of Mexican cities.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_homicide_rate
King Rat
02-01-2023, 03:16 AM
As we know a firearm does not always kill a assailant. I think a better number to gauge the violence is the number of shooting that occur. As a example: (also see shot placement) This is from Crap Hole Chicago, which I believe is in 10th place of the Crap Hole League of America. What is important is to understand that Crap hole shooting get figured into Firearm shooting and the Libs do not want to tell you that they themselves are the one's doing the extremely VAST amount of killing or that it is they that are not effected by buy laws. Crapcago has some of the most strictest gun laws in the nation. The gun laws are meant for one thing. To Keep the Law abiding citizen from protecting himself or family. Much the same way DC is trying for legislation to "SOFTEN CAR HYJACKING AND OTHER VIOLENT CRIMES.
Notice that 40 shot and killed while a large number does not come close to the actual violence from shooting which is about 4 to 5 times that number. And that does not include other violent crimes like rape, car jacking, robbery and on and on.
*And this is just January alone.
January To Date
Shot & Killed: 40
Shot & Wounded: 165
Total Shot: 205
Total Homicides: 43
https://heyjackass.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/2023_chalkie_013123-320x300.png
https://heyjackass.com/
(https://heyjackass.com/) 2023 Shot Placement (https://heyjackass.com/2023-shot-placement/)
Placement
Killed
Wounded
head
10
14
chest
7
13
abdomen
6
8
neck
3
4
face
2
6
side
2
1
leg
1
31
unknown/other
12
88
As of 1/31/23
*Shot placement is not always reported. Chalkie shows general placement whereas the table shows exact placement by worst wounded reported.
Chicago Crime 2023 (https://heyjackass.com/category/chicago-crime-2023/)
(https://heyjackass.com/)
thinman
02-04-2023, 10:18 AM
Wear a large or X-large glove depending upon the brand. Use a grip sleeve on both PM9 and TP9 because the grips are a little too thin. For me, having an extra few rounds in a slightly bigger grip seems a better idea than a grip sleeve.
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