.40 S&W, pistol, talk me out of it.

[kenemoore]

I do not own any .40 firearms. I could have bought a CZ-75B for $350 a few years back, but did not. Still kicking myself. So...is this a dying caliber? I noticed during some of the recent "panic buying", that .40 was till on the shelf. Both during Covid and SandyHook. A friend of mine swears by it, carries a PM40 all the time. I have been browsing K40's on gunbroker, but they are asking more than I want to pay. My K9 is my favorite Kahr, and I own several including a T9, but the K9 is king. If I bought a K40 I could use the same holsters.

So.. what do you guys & gals think? Buy a K40? Some other .40? OR let it slide as the mistaken fantasy of an old man, who doesn't realize .40 is dead.

[Bawanna]

I have both a K9 and a K40. I sent the 40 into Magnaport hoping to tame the flip some. I think it helped a bit but still a lot of flip. Many have no issue with that at all and love them. I carried it for years, my first Kahr but just never cared for the jolt. It's not uncomfortable and I can shoot it all day, just kind of slow for a second shot I guess.
I use it now mostly for a grip model.
That being said I'd say if the old man wants a 40, he should get a 40. Your correct in that during the ammo shelf panic clearing there was usually still 40, so that's a plus. After accidentally loading a 40 into my brand new Magnum Research 1911 I gave away a ton of 40 ammo, which in hindsight was a terrible mistake.
Years ago I had a Glock 27 the compact 40 and it was a good shooter. For some reason the tupperware must have soaked up some of the recoil. I actually had a few of them, kept selling them to cops and there was another panic of some sort and they were hard to get even for the officers.

[Wlfman13]

I won’t talk you out of it. If you find a handgun you like, and it is a 40S&W, if you like it, buy it.

I wondered the same thing when I bought my MK40. I like shooting it so much, I don’t care if the caliber is a dying caliber, which I don’t think it is. As long as there are 40S&W firearms in people’s gun safes, there will be a demand for the ammo, and the ammo companies will produce it. The ammo might not be as cheap as 9mm, but every bang uses more powder and more lead, and more brass than 9mm, so I guess it should be a little more expensive.

I’ll say this. I already owned a MK9 when I bought my MK40. And I’ve never regretted either purchase.

[yqtszhj]

If I see a mk40 local that I can hold before buying and it’s a good deal I will probably get it.

[O'Dell]

If I see a mk40 local that I can hold before buying and it’s a good deal I will probably get it.

I have a MK40N and it's my favorite Kahr and probably my most accurate pistol. Hard to believe since it's so small and I can only get two fingers on the grip. I think it's the weight and balance of the gun. Because of the 23 oz weight it's not a pocket pistol, but it fits nicely in a holster inside the belt. If you can find one at a halfway good price, buy it.

[jeepster09]

What distance was that at? :yo:

[Bawanna]

Says 3 feet on the bottom of the target. Probably more like 125 yards I'd say.

[Wlfman13]

Bawanna, I need to take you fishing. I won’t have to exaggerate for myself. You’re a good man! 😁

[Scott321]

IMO, 40 is a good caliber. However, I am more comfortable shooting 45 +P in my PM45 and CW45 than standard 40 in my CW40 and T40 (recoil wise)... although I usually carry standard or SB factory ammo in my Kahr 45's. On a side note, one of my alternate carries is an M2.0 full size in 40. It was flatter and lighter shooting than the G23 and P229 Compact I rented at the range. Another plus is if your ammo selection changes from one month to the next, Lucky Gunner's ammo tests show A LOT of 40's with decent expansion AND penetration out of a compact pistol.

I'll add... The recoil on my T40 with "value" target ammo is significantly more than my K9 shooting Rem HTP +P. To some it doesn't matter, but you'll know you're shooting a larger caliber. The T40 is close to the weight of my S&W full size 40, but the S&W has less recoil IMO.

[O'Dell]

Of my fifteen handguns only two are 40's - the MK40 and a HK USP 40 HDW. My PM9 pocket gun is the only 9mm. the rest are 45's which is my favorite caliber. I've been begging Kahr to build a MK45 for years.

[O'Dell]

Says 3 feet on the bottom of the target. Probably more like 125 yards I'd say.

You added that 3 feet. I always shoot at twelve yards unless otherwise noted. I consider that the limit of defensive shooting.

[Bawanna]

I didn't realize that was your same target, I didn't add anything, must have been Jeepster. Yeah, blame it on Jeepster.

[berettabone]

I've been shooting .40 cal. almost exclusively for ages. Most of the handguns I've owned have been in .40 cal. I've never had a problem finding ammo. I've always enjoyed shooting forty. Currently own an HK in .40 and it's been my most accurate firearm to date. I don't care what any6one says. I've done my own ammo testing and it's a nasty caliber indeed. If you want a .40, get a .40. Personally, I would probably choose something other than a Kahr. There are other models that I believe handle the recoil much better. Yeah, you should have jumped on that CZ. Wouldn't mind having one myself. :p
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[jeepster09]

I didn't realize that was your same target, I didn't add anything, must have been Jeepster. Yeah, blame it on Jeepster.



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[kenemoore]

I've been shooting .40 cal. almost exclusively for ages. Most of the handguns I've owned have been in .40 cal. I've never had a problem finding ammo. I've always enjoyed shooting forty. Currently own an HK in .40 and it's been my most accurate firearm to date. I don't care what any6one says. I've done my own ammo testing and it's a nasty caliber indeed. If you want a .40, get a .40. Personally, I would probably choose something other than a Kahr. There are other models that I believe handle the recoil much better. Yeah, you should have jumped on that CZ. Wouldn't mind having one myself. :p
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Any make/model recommendations?
The LGS had a Bersa .40 but did not excite me. Still looking.
Gun Broker has a lot of M&P's, and Taurus models.

On another note, size wise, how does a P40 Kahr compare to a K40?

[dao]

Beretta PX4 Storm or 8040 Cougar both have rotating barrels which helps mitigate felt recoil. My Cougar is the softest shooting 40 I've ever owned.

[berettabone]

Any make/model recommendations?
The LGS had a Bersa .40 but did not excite me. Still looking.
Gun Broker has a lot of M&P's, and Taurus models.

On another note, size wise, how does a P40 Kahr compare to a K40? I've owned an M&P in .40. Shot
nice but couldn't warm up to the trigger. I have an HK P2000SK that is my .40 of choice. Weighs about the same as my Ruger revolver. Prefer V3 trigger, DA/SA. Big Dot's. Plenty of them in 9mm, but fewer in .40. Plenty of trigger options. I've settled in with it for main carry along with my revolver. Found myself drifting further away from striker fired handguns. I would also consider a Beretta 96 compact. As mentioned, even though a bit harder to find, an 8040 Cougar is a nice firearm. Otherwise, a revolver in .40 could be interesting.

[iWander]

Buy one! I'll be your enabler!
I carried a 40 for 22 years at work.

The 229 i used before we switched to a 9mm M&P is the most accurate semi auto I've owned. My 40 M&P is also very accurate.

I've found the energy on target is much greater than a 9mm, and for me, the recoil isn't that much greater than the parabellum. Ammo is plentiful in lean times and certainly cheaper that other alternatives like 45ACP.

I've never shot a 40 Kahr, but can't imagine the steel frames have harsh recoil. I'd love to have a K or T 40!

Before you can answer your question on which one to get, decide its purpose... if a full size for range fun or home, I'd suggest a Sig 226 or 229, or the also excellent 2340. The Beretta 96 is also a great gun!

I've found the Glock 40s recoil MUCH more than the other plastic fantastics like the 320, 250 or M&P. My top recommendation for a plastic 40 is the Sig 250... great ergonomics, good capacity, VERY similar trigger to a Kahr and magazines and holsters are plentiful thanks to the ubiquitous 320.

[O'Dell]

For Home defense I use my HK USP 40. It's too big to carry and with 14 rounds is quite heavy, but it has excellent night sites. I could use my SIG220 as it's also large and has new night sites, but only holds eight rounds. Plus the 220 is polished SS and considered somewhat a classic since they only built them in '95 and '96.

As far as carry pistols go, I usually stick with either a MK40N or CM45 or my PM9 for the pocket. I have other pistols that are small for an inside the waistband holster, but after nearly twenty years, I've grown to really like and trust Kahrs.

[iWander]

Have you decided, Kenemoore?

[kenemoore]

I have decided to get a .40. But not which make/model. I'm browsing gunbroker for a K40 but, will check out other makes/models (used) at LGS.

[kenemoore]

So...there is this K40 on GB, has a strange (to me) finish. It was listed with a starting bid of 399.99 and no one bid on it. I think based on the Serial number compared to the article on here, it is from around 1998. I asked for pictures of the slide bottom, and it has the dimple that implies new style sites. When did they change? Any how, I bid on it.

https://p1.gunbroker.com/pics/969782000/969782297/pix500200403.jpg

[iWander]

So...there is this K40 on GB, has a strange (to me) finish. It was listed with a starting bid of 399.99 and no one bid on it. I think based on the Serial number compared to the article on here, it is from around 1998. I asked for pictures of the slide bottom, and it has the dimple that implies new style sites. When did they change? Any how, I bid on it.

https://p1.gunbroker.com/pics/969782000/969782297/pix500200403.jpgI'm watching it as well. Not a bad price with both sets of grips.

[dao]

November of 2004 was when they changed dovetail angles.

Oddly GlockTalk has a pretty good sampling of Kahr Serial Numbers. Here are a few

DB04XX - K40 - Feb 1996 matte stainless
DB11xx - K40 - Jun 1997
DF04xx - K40 - 1998
DF08xx - K40 - 1998
DF17xx - K40 - date unknown
DF28xx - K40 - Aug 1998
DF33xx - K40 - 1998
DF50xx - K40 - Jul 2004
DF66xx - K40 - Date unknown - Purchased Jan 2012
DJ02xx - K40 - 1998
DJ0xxx - K40 Elite 98 - Jun 2003

The thread is here, https://www.glocktalk.com/threads/kahr-serial-number-history-project.1332374/, and you don't need to log in to see it.

That auction on GB already ended once with no bids. Good luck!

[kenemoore]

Well...the K40 sold for more than I wanted to pay.

Just ordered a Rock Island Armory 1911 Rock Ultra FS Black .40SW 5" Barrel 8-Rounds Adjustable Sights. From Grab-a-gun. I used the quote request and got 15.00 of asking. $571 vs 586. I have two other RIA 1911's, so I know them.
Typically the run well, but have a few sharp edges and such. Plus I already have LOTS of 1911 holsters. I had $100 rebate from RIA for a shotgun I bought at Christmas, used that to buy 2 more mags and an extra recoil spring. 20# vs the typical 16#.

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[Bawanna]

Nice looking gun. And the right size for the 40 caliber.

[dao]

I predict you'll be happy with it.

[iWander]

Congrats!

[kenemoore]

So...I picked up the .40SW 1911. I bought a GI model RIA about 10 years ago, it was my truck gun, it ran great, but was loose and had lots of sharp edges, only cost about $350. This new one is way more better. Tighter fit, better fit and finish. Feels great. I will be testing her out on March 2nd, (my next range day). Feed back to follow. First impression is "why do the skeletonize the trigger?"

[Bawanna]

I think it's mostly looks, but also adds weight reduction.

[rx7sig]

... My K9 is my favorite Kahr, and I own several including a T9, but the K9 is king. If I bought a K40 I could use the same holsters.

So.. what do you guys & gals think? Buy a K40? Some other .40? OR let it slide as the mistaken fantasy of an old man, who doesn't realize .40 is dead.

I purchased a K9 new in 2018. I CC it a lot. It is a very nice pistol. The fact that it handles 124 gr. +P HP ammo (almost always Speer GDLE) so extremely well--effortlessly, in fact--makes me lust for a K40, too. I wouldn't hesitate to purchase a new K40! (It's too bad that there isn't a 357SIG bbl for the K40, though.)

rx7sig

[kenemoore]

Picked up the new 1911 in .40SW yesterday. Did not realize it was a bull barrel with a "reverse" plug. What a bear to take down, almost too much for an old man. It's got a full length guide rod. You have to fully depress the 20# spring with your fingers and then insert a straightened out paper clip, to remove the recoil spring. Not a fan. I must say the barrel is about twice as thick as my .45ACP 1911's. Sure hope it runs good.

[Bawanna]

Those are kind of a pain. Not sure on that one but you might be able to swap to a GI style guide rod and a standard guide rod plug. Wait if it's a bull barrel with no bushing up front then the swap I don't think would work.

[kenemoore]

Well...On hind site, wish I had of waited a bit. I took the .40 1911 to the range this last Thursday, and it ran like a sewing machine. (one of my dad's sayings). Recoil was kinda like shooting 38 super. Any how.
A forum member (iWander) sent me a PM to a vendor selling a K40 ( https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/products2.cfm/ID/288802) brand new for only 419.00, I could not pass it up, the used ones on gunbroker were going for north of 500.00. I ordered it last Sunday, and they shipped it on Wednesday, it arrived at my LGS this morning, and I just picked it up. Big Shout Out to iWander. When I bought it, the status went to out of stock, so they only had one. Any how, I have been doing business with the LGS for many years, and knew he had (3) K40-6 magazines. They were listed at 35.95 each, kinda of steep. I told them I knew they had those mags for at least 10 years, what was their best price, the said 30.00 plus tax, I countered two for 60.00 out the door. He counterd with all 3 for 100, which I declined. They took my offer for 2, so I have 3 6-round and 1-7round mags for it. Will shoot it sometime next month.
Being a .40 newbie, I bought 500 rounds of 180 grn, PMC, and some 180 grn Hornady defensive ammo. But I see 165grn offered. I assumed that the 165 was like 9mm magnum, and the 180 kind of like .45 Magnum. Am I wrong?

[berettabone]

Well...On hind site, wish I had of waited a bit. I took the .40 1911 to the range this last Thursday, and it ran like a sewing machine. (one of my dad's sayings). Recoil was kinda like shooting 38 super. Any how.
A forum member (iWander) sent me a PM to a vendor selling a K40 ( https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/products2.cfm/ID/288802) brand new for only 419.00, I could not pass it up, the used ones on gunbroker were going for north of 500.00. I ordered it last Sunday, and they shipped it on Wednesday, it arrived at my LGS this morning, and I just picked it up. Big Shout Out to iWander. When I bought it, the status went to out of stock, so they only had one. Any how, I have been doing business with the LGS for many years, and knew he had (3) K40-6 magazines. They were listed at 35.95 each, kinda of steep. I told them I knew they had those mags for at least 10 years, what was their best price, the said 30.00 plus tax, I countered two for 60.00 out the door. He counterd with all 3 for 100, which I declined. They took my offer for 2, so I have 3 6-round and 1-7round mags for it. Will shoot it sometime next month.
Being a .40 newbie, I bought 500 rounds of 180 grn, PMC, and some 180 grn Hornady defensive ammo. But I see 165grn offered. I assumed that the 165 was like 9mm magnum, and the 180 kind of like .45 Magnum. Am I wrong? I don't know about "wrong" but there isn't much negligible difference between 165 and 180 gr. as far as recoil. 165 gr. is a bit faster. I've never shot 9mm magnum but .45 is always more of a push, whereas .40 more of a snap. 180 gr. is a normal .40 weight. I usually shoot the 180 gr. in FMJ but go to the faster 165 gr. for defensive purposes. I do also keep some 155 gr.

[Bawanna]

When I used to carry 40 I usually went with the 165gr as well. Definitely more snap than push like the 45.

[iWander]

You're very welcome Ken! Wish they'd had two, but I'm glad you got it. Let us know how it goes shooting it!

We always carried 165gr in our Sigs and never had issues. The 165 Gold Dot is one of the standards in SD 40s.

I know where you can pick up more mags for the K40 for $25.

[dao]

On your 1911 Ken, can't you lock the slide back with the lever and then insert the paperclip? Or are you talking about breaking the rod and spring down completely for cleaning and lube?

[kenemoore]

Yes, with the slide locked you can insert your paper clip. But...being a little bit anal retentive, I want to clean the spring and rod, that is a bear to do.

[kenemoore]

BTW, the new K40, has the old style slide stop, guess it has been sitting on the shelf awhile. Matches my K9, and also my preferred version. I think it is more robust than the new style.

[Barth]

Tried various 135, 155, 165 and 180 JHPs in my MK40 Elite.
My personal experience is that guns are like girls.
They are unique.
My particular gun just loves anything in 180 grain :D
Go figure...
https://i.imgur.com/iZx6iRy.jpg?1

[187911]

BTW, the new K40, has the old style slide stop, guess it has been sitting on the shelf awhile. Matches my K9, and also my preferred version. I think it is more robust than the new style.

Can we get some pics?

[187911]

https://i.imgur.com/9UUJTaK.jpg

I EDC a K40. I'm usually carrying K40 or a 686+

[iWander]

Pics Kenemoore! And great pic 187!

[kenemoore]

Okay, a few pics of the K40, cleaned, lubed, ready to roll. Just finished adding my traditional skate board tape to the front strap. Has the rubber Hogue grips, not the hard plastic that's on my MK9. The grip screws are almost indexed.
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[340pd]

https://www.1911addicts.com/cdn-cgi/image/format=auto,onerror=redirect,width=1920,height=192 0,fit=scale-down/https://www.1911addicts.com/attachments/7c3e0ef8-9c71-4631-9077-09e29d673c69_jpe-2755555-jpg.1235245/

[berettabone]

https://i.imgur.com/9UUJTaK.jpg

I EDC a K40. I'm usually carrying K40 or a 686+ I like your choices for carry. We kind of think alike, but I do the opposite. I EDC my SP101 .357, and my HK .40 in cooler months. :p

[King Rat]

Deleted, my bad, wrong thread. Beautiful guns!

[187911]

I like your choices for carry. We kind of think alike, but I do the opposite. I EDC my SP101 .357, and my HK .40 in cooler months. :p

I have a couple of HKs too, but I perfer all steel frame pistols :D... You have a VP9, USP, or what?

https://i.imgur.com/9qntymg.jpg

[berettabone]

I have a couple of HKs too, but I perfer all steel frame pistols :D... You have a VP9, USP, or what?

https://i.imgur.com/9qntymg.jpg P2000SK in .40 cal. Wouldn't mind having a P2000 and a P30SK, but prices got and stayed ugly.

[kenemoore]

Well...finely got to the range. The new K40 ran like a sewing machine. No hiccups at all. You know, the 200 round break in seems to apply to the polymer models, more than the steel versions. Never had an issue with my T9, or K9.
Shot 50 rounds of PMC flat nosed ammo 180 grn, and 20 rounds of Hornaday XTP hollow points. Here is the 2" XTP target, shot at 25 feet. Shooting free hand, about 1/4 second between rounds.
The K40 is snappier than my K9, similar to a PM9. Very easy to shoot.
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[berettabone]

Those .40's are just so snappy and uncontrollable.(sarcasm) Good shootin.:p

[kenemoore]

FYI, SG Ammo out of Oklahoma, has 40 Cal SW 180 Grain Hollow Point Sellier Bellot Ammo at .40 per round. Free shipping for orders north of $200

[berettabone]

Last time I bought .40 cal was from GB. 200 rds. of Ranger 165 gr. for $55.

[O'Dell]

Those .40's are just so snappy and uncontrollable. Good shootin.:p

Not for me. Out of fifteen pistols, SIG's, HK's, S&W's, etc and 5 1911's, my MK 40N is my most accurate handgun.

[187911]

Not for me. Out of fifteen pistols, SIG's, HK's, S&W's, etc and 5 1911's, my MK 40N is my most accurate handgun.

I think it's a mental thing for most. They've been conditioned to thing one way. I don't see much of a difference either between 9mm and 40s&w... Whether one caliber is more "snappy" than the others depends on the specific round and the pistol, yet people make silly blanketed statements.

[berettabone]

I think it's a mental thing for most. They've been conditioned to thing one way. I don't see much of a difference either between 9mm and 40s&w... Whether one caliber is more "snappy" than the others depends on the specific round and the pistol, yet people make silly blanketed statements. Agreed...........been shooting .40 for longer than I can remember. My HK handles the round just fine. Shooting .38's out of my revolver has more flip.

[kenemoore]

I think it's more about the pistol, than the round. Shooter level of experience is a factor too. I have a few female friends that bought a Ruger LCP .380 as their first pistol, AMA (against my advice). They find them too "snappy" and don't practice or carry them. I find the LCP a little snappy, but nothing major, I shoot it fine. I once owned a Ruger LCR in .357, now that was SNAPPY, I sold it. I now sometimes carry a 2.75" Ruger Speed Six in .357, no issues.

I am new to the .40 round, the 1911 I bought recoil is about like .38 super. Milder than .45. The K40 recoil, is greater than my K9, but not by a lot, and much milder than shooting +p rounds from a PM45. I would say about the same recoil as a lightweight .38 special revolver. I wish I had of made the .40 plunge earlier.

[187911]

I think it's more about the pistol, than the round. Shooter level of experience is a factor too. I have a few female friends that bought a Ruger LCP .380 as their first pistol, AMA (against my advice). They find them too "snappy" and don't practice or carry them. I find the LCP a little snappy, but nothing major, I shoot it fine. I once owned a Ruger LCR in .357, now that was SNAPPY, I sold it. I now sometimes carry a 2.75" Ruger Speed Six in .357, no issues.

I am new to the .40 round, the 1911 I bought recoil is about like .38 super. Milder than .45. The K40 recoil, is greater than my K9, but not by a lot, and much milder than shooting +p rounds from a PM45. I would say about the same recoil as a lightweight .38 special revolver. I wish I had of made the .40 plunge earlier.

It all depends on the round as well. It's not binary. There are a wide range of powders types/characteristics, bullet grains, and velocities in both 9mm and 40s&w. Depending on the make up of the round, either or may have more recoil. You can even have some 9mm loads that have more velocity and foot pounds than some 40s&w loads.

That's why I don’t understand why everyone has the canned response that 40s&w is too snappy for them to shoot when it all depends on several factors. I've fired a Diamondback DB9 and a Springfield Hellcat micro, and both had a lot more recoil than shooting my MK40, K40, M&P Sheild 40, Sig P239 on 40, etc, BUT most people would STILL choose a DB9 and Hellcat like pistol because in their mind 40s&w will always be more snappy. This is one reason why 40s&w has fallen out of favor and is always bashed.

I have a LCR in 357. I haven't fired it in a while, but I don't recall have any issues with most range 38spc ammo. I could shoot that all day long. The 357 loads I've fired out of the Ruger LCR, not so much... I could barely get through a cylinder or two without my hand being beat to hell.

[berettabone]

I think it's more about the pistol, than the round. Shooter level of experience is a factor too. I have a few female friends that bought a Ruger LCP .380 as their first pistol, AMA (against my advice). They find them too "snappy" and don't practice or carry them. I find the LCP a little snappy, but nothing major, I shoot it fine. I once owned a Ruger LCR in .357, now that was SNAPPY, I sold it. I now sometimes carry a 2.75" Ruger Speed Six in .357, no issues.

I am new to the .40 round, the 1911 I bought recoil is about like .38 super. Milder than .45. The K40 recoil, is greater than my K9, but not by a lot, and much milder than shooting +p rounds from a PM45. I would say about the same recoil as a lightweight .38 special revolver. I wish I had of made the .40 plunge earlier. If they/people find an LCP .380 as being snappy, maybe they need to carry a slingshot.:p My wifey doesn't think that her LCP is snappy at all. Powderpuff. It may be because she's shot my 40's, .357's, 9's and 38's. I can shoot any calibers pretty much all day long. The .357's not so much but still not bad. Some people are just REALLY recoil sensitive.

[187911]

If they/people find an LCP .380 as being snappy, maybe they need to carry a slingshot.:p My wifey doesn't think that her LCP is snappy at all. Powderpuff. It may be because she's shot my 40's, .357's, 9's and 38's. I can shoot any calibers pretty much all day long. The .357's not so much but still not bad. Some people are just REALLY recoil sensitive.

You might want to just to drop it, and leave the topic alone.:)

[berettabone]

You might want to just to drop it, and leave the topic alone.:) Why??????????

[King Rat]

The 10mm now seems to be the hot choice. But other than for hunting, if I were to go between the 40 and the 10mm, I would choose the 40.cal. Ammo cost is just one reason.

https://www.shootingillustrated.com/content/10mm-vs-40-s-w-similarities-differences-and-uses/



(https://www.shootingillustrated.com/content/10mm-vs-40-s-w-similarities-differences-and-uses/)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydwXJ2yhfnU&t=1s

Actually really do not care. But nothing like a good ole caliber war.

[King Rat]

If they/people find an LCP .380 as being snappy, maybe they need to carry a slingshot.:p My wifey doesn't think that her LCP is snappy at all. Powderpuff. It may be because she's shot my 40's, .357's, 9's and 38's. I can shoot any calibers pretty much all day long. The .357's not so much but still not bad. Some people are just REALLY recoil sensitive.

It is not that the LCP cannot be shot, it is just that other's shoot so much milder. If you prefer the more snappy gun that is personal preference. I love to shoot Snubbies, but I guess you can call me a Wuss when it comes to one in 357. I can take the Pico, Kahr and LCP to the range and there is a very significant difference in recoil of the LCP. Each to his own. The Pico and Kahr, very pleasant, the LCP downright crude in comparison.
However, My LCP in 22. cal is the least amount of recoil and easy slider.

[yqtszhj]

If they/people find an LCP .380 as being snappy, maybe they need to carry a slingshot.:p My wifey doesn't think that her LCP is snappy at all. Powderpuff. It may be because she's shot my 40's, .357's, 9's and 38's. I can shoot any calibers pretty much all day long. The .357's not so much but still not bad. Some people are just REALLY recoil sensitive.

That’s funny, my wife said she would prefer a slingshot to the LCP, LOL. But then she shoots a XD .45 service model and claimed it for her own. I think she has some inconsistencies.

[King Rat]

That’s funny, my wife said she would prefer a slingshot to the LCP, LOL. But then she shoots a XD .45 service model and claimed it for her own. I think she has some inconsistencies.


Here ya go. Actually my first hunting weapon. Later moved up to a bow and arrow. Post some pics of her shooting one.


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[berettabone]

That’s funny, my wife said she would prefer a slingshot to the LCP, LOL. But then she shoots a XD .45 service model and claimed it for her own. I think she has some inconsistencies. She married you, so she must like something snappy. :p

[King Rat]

Gosh, I remember when the LCP first came out. Man was it a hot seller. I still remember the Salesmen behind the counter pulling them out for so many women. One sales closing tool, if the customer wanted to think about it, would be to pull a Sig 238 out and put them side by side. Of course never break the gun down or show the quality of the two. But would show the size and compare the price of $199 vs $600 and tell them about the lifetime Warranty of the LCP. Of course LCP stood for Little Cute Pistol. And Cute sells.
And of course there was the famous 365. A gun were my LGS had a waiting list of hundreds of names.

[berettabone]

The LCP is a throwaway gun. It's fine for those that aren't going to shoot it a lot. I find it mild, accurate, and the trigger is ok. Of course, there are better, nicer, more quality choices out there, but for the money, it fits the niche. For serious carriers, not so much.

[King Rat]

The LCP is a throwaway gun. It's fine for those that aren't going to shoot it a lot. I find it mild, accurate, and the trigger is ok. Of course, there are better, nicer, more quality choices out there, but for the money, it fits the niche. For serious carriers, not so much.

I still have one. I use the 7 rd mags, and have about a half dozen standard magazines. I also have extra recoil springs and extra take down pins (change them out as they are prone to breakage). The LCP for me was very reliable. (Gen 1 and Gen 2) Never had a issue with that. And Ruger will replace them when they go down. (to a point, lol, they basically cut me off). I use the gun now as a "Truck Gun".

The LCP ll in 22.cal has turned out to be very reliable as well. And a great trainer and fun plinker

[187911]

Thread went from 40s&w to 380acp and 22lr haha. I recall when the main options were the Keltec P3at, Taurus 738 TCP, and later Ruger borrowed/stole Keltec's design but made much needed improvements with the LCP. I ended up going with the TCP because the LCP only shipped with one mag, didn't have hold open on the last round, was $100 more expensive, and didn't come in stainless (the blued finish on the LCP and TCP was crap). The current versions are much better though, but I haven't felt the need to carry 380 anymore when I can pocket and deep conceal micro nines like a PM9, P365, or a Hellcat even with the slightly longer barrel and added weight.

I have to agree with berettabone that they are all cheap throwaway guns. That's okay though because that's their role. They aren't duty guns designed for use in hundreds of rounds training classes, duty, competition, hard use, etc.

[187911]

Gosh, I remember when the LCP first came out. Man was it a hot seller. I still remember the Salesmen behind the counter pulling them out for so many women. One sales closing tool, if the customer wanted to think about it, would be to pull a Sig 238 out and put them side by side. Of course never break the gun down or show the quality of the two. But would show the size and compare the price of $199 vs $600 and tell them about the lifetime Warranty of the LCP. Of course LCP stood for Little Cute Pistol. And Cute sells.
And of course there was the famous 365. A gun were my LGS had a waiting list of hundreds of names.
I recall the orginal LCP being $300 or a little more for a long while. The Taurus TCP was around $200-$250. Yes, the P238 was more expensive, but it was a much nicer gun. I had a P238 SAS and there's no comparison in fit and finish, looks, quality, and the trigger. PSA had different models of the P238 back then for $500, but you're right they were $600+ everywhere else. I brought mine from PSA, and it also had a lifetime warranty.

What the LCP had going for it was price and the fact that you didn't care as much if it was beat up, dented, scratched, etc like you would with a $600 gun. Yea, they were selling like hotcakes back then.

[Armybrat]

My first LCP in 2008 cost $300. The last one was $170 on sale.
Carried the first one 90% of the time until recently when a new LCP Max took over carry duties.

[berettabone]

I paid $250 for our LCP ii. That's about my limit for a throw away.

[King Rat]

I recall the orginal LCP being $300 or a little more for a long while. The Taurus TCP was around $200-$250. Yes, the P238 was more expensive, but it was a much nicer gun. I had a P238 SAS and there's no comparison in fit and finish, looks, quality, and the trigger. PSA had different models of the P238 back then for $500, but you're right they were $600+ everywhere else. I brought mine from PSA, and it also had a lifetime warranty.

What the LCP had going for it was price and the fact that you didn't care as much if it was beat up, dented, scratched, etc like you would with a $600 gun. Yea, they were selling like hotcakes back then.

What it had going for it was the fact that it was small and cute. And one of the best Marketing Programs in firearm History. Not to mention the "Lifetime Warranty". And Ruger played that one so well. Take a cheap throw away gun. One you know most of the owners will not shoot often. Put the cost of the warranty in the already cheap firearm and the shipping etc. and knowing that only a certain percentage will come back. Big win for Ruger. The main cost of the gun went to advertising. The cost of that alone must have been staggering. Glossy Photo's every where, every gun rag etc.
Ruger knows how to sell a firearm. Marketing is the name of the game.

[kenemoore]

Well... another range day with the K40, I ran across a deal at SG ammo. Sellier and Bellot 180 grain JHP's for 400.00 per case. Same price as target ammo. Shoot 100 rounds of the SB hollow points, zero issues. Never really needed a break in for this K40. Me happy.

[Planedude]

On the subject of the .380 mouse guns, I'll toss out an example I have seen here yet...

RM380

Not as good as my P380, but waaaaay better than the LCP!
My brother uses his as an EDC. Mine got "frankengunned" with VZ grips, all the Galloway bells and whistles and a "Freaking-green-laser"... It's my "winter vest gun". The little all metal gun tames the "snappy" right out of .380 SD ammo and shoots "Minute of MF" at 10yds all day long. Good enough for .380 appropriate engagement ranges. I do feel much more comfortable with my 15yr old P380 though. I shoot that little gun great and my (pocket) carry rig is very discreet. Completely invisible in slacks pockets at the finest of places and events! The Kahr will always be my "go-to" for the summer fun days.

Anyway, just a quick stir of the pot...

Peace

[Barth]

Gave my daughter a pink frame stainless steel slide Ruger LCP as a wedding present.
She shoots and carries it regularly.
She loves the gun :)

I sometimes carry a LCP II as a backup gun.

As for 40 S&W.
Got into the round when it was all I could find on the shelf during the last two ammo shortages.
Actually shoot it well, and with some guns can switch to 357 Sig :cool:
Recoil is fine for me except in super light micro pocket guns.
Around 20 oz. is where I prefer 9mm (Ruger LC9s Pro).
My friends Walther PPS 40 was actually uncomfortable for me to shoot :frown:
My PPS M2 is in 9mm :)

My Hk P30 40 is a tack driver.
And preferred CCW is a Hk P2000SK 40.
Albeit it's usually sporting an OEM 357 Sig barrel and hot Underwood ammo :cool:

[berettabone]

Gave my daughter a pink frame stainless steel slide Ruger LCP as a wedding present.
She shoots and carries it regularly.
She loves the gun :)

I sometimes carry a LCP II as a backup gun.

As for 40 S&W.
Got into the round when it was all I could find on the shelf during the last two ammo shortages.
Actually shoot it well, and with some guns can switch to 357 Sig :cool:
Recoil is fine for me except in super light micro pocket guns.
Around 20 oz. is where I prefer 9mm (Ruger LC9s Pro).
My friends Walther PPS 40 was actually uncomfortable for me to shoot :frown:
My PPS M2 is in 9mm :)

My Hk P30 40 is a tack driver.
And preferred CCW is a Hk P2000SK 40.
Albeit it's usually sporting an OEM 357 Sig barrel and hot Underwood ammo :cool: We both agree on our preferred CCW. I use the 165 gr. HST's. I started shooting .40 back in 1982 when I got my first Beretta 96 and it has been my preferred ammo ever since. I've never had an issue finding ammo which is a plus, not knowing at the time I started, that there would be "ammo shortages".

[yqtszhj]

I paid $250 for our LCP ii. That's about my limit for a throw away.

Got this newest CZ P10m for $269 plus FFL transfer of $25. Thought it was a pretty good deal. About the size of a G43 but holds 7+1.

[Bawanna]

Interesting looking trigger on that CZ. Seems like a short stroke. Do let us know how she runs. I think that's a great deal but I've not much experience with the CZ pistols, not that I don't want to of course.

[yqtszhj]

Interesting looking trigger on that CZ. Seems like a short stroke. Do let us know how she runs. I think that's a great deal but I've not much experience with the CZ pistols, not that I don't want to of course.

When the trigger is charged up and ready to fire it is actually a pretty long DA feeling pull at about 6 pounds to a wall then probably 10 pounds total to a clean break to fire. It’s heavy but actually smooth. Took some getting used to but it’s actually ok, especially for a carry gun. Heavier but smoother than a Glock trigger. Reset is real short and nice. Some may not like the trigger but I’m not a hair trigger fan actually as long as it is smooth.