7+1 Capacity Possible in K9 ?

[Walter Rego]

I looked through my K9 Owners Manual and didn't see anything regarding the procedure to carry it with a round in the chamber and a full magazine. I understand that it should be loaded only by inserting a magazine with the slide locked back and then pressing down on the slide release, and also should not be loaded by dropping a round in the chamber and then releasing the slide. That's generally not a good procedure with most automatics anyway.

Any reasons that one should not load the gun according to the recommended method and then drop the mag, top it off and then reinsert it ? The supplied 8 round factory magazine negates the concealability in my opinion and will only be used at the range.

[King Rat]

7+1 more than enough in real world. If you are chasing internet Possibilities than you need twice as much and then carry extra magazines every day.

[yqtszhj]

Any reasons that one should not load the gun according to the recommended method and then drop the mag, top it off and then reinsert it ? T.

That should work work just fine.

[Bawanna]

Agreed. Many folks with lots of guns chamber a round and then top load the magazine. I've kind of gotten away from the practice although I used to do it all the time. Not sure why I no longer do.

[DavidR]

Buy a Magguts kit and you can have 8+1.

[Walter Rego]

I'm not one of those guys that needs to carry a hi capacity autoloader with two spare 15 round mags, a Surefire light and a Spyderco clipped to my pocket every time I leave the house for a milk run.

One spare mag is fine. I have at times carried a Lightweight Commander .45 with one in the chamber and a full seven round mag. I have never trusted the 8 round 1911 type mags and dislike any mags that have extended baseplates. Heck, I have even pocket carried a shrouded hammer 5 shot J frame without a speedloader at times when I just needed to grab a gun and go.

I was just curious if the friction of a full seven round mag under a chambered round in a K9 might pose a reliability issue since the owners manual didn't say one way or another. I'll have to try it a few times at the range just to be sure.

[DavidR]

I ran 7+1 and Magguts 8+1 in my P9 with no issues. You should be good to go and well protected.

[sorcerer]

I run my K9 in IDPA. Just because I can. From the 1911, barny load from a spare mag then load a fully charged mag. This coming Saturday I’ll be running my MK9 or my new to me PM9 in Bug. The start in bug is 6 only in the gun which is what each mag will hold. No Barny. In bug we get 3 reloads on the belt. It’s going to be interesting and challenging.

[kenemoore]

I do 7 +1 on my K9 all the time, no issues. I also do my 1911 CCO, 7+1 all the time, no issues.
However, I have found when I occasionally carry a double stack, I do not top off.
I guess in my mind 14 or 15 rounds is enough.

[Walter Rego]

Sorcerer, I had to look up what a "Barney mag" was. That's funny. I had not heard that term before.

[FreeMe]

I was just curious if the friction of a full seven round mag under a chambered round in a K9 might pose a reliability issue since the owners manual didn't say one way or another. I'll have to try it a few times at the range just to be sure.

Fear not. I carry 8+1 all the time in the K9 or P9, and have never had a problem. When I go to the range, that carry load gets shot some time before I leave. I often will load it again with range ammo 8+1 for more practice. It's just not an issue. As already mentioned, it's easier to load one in the mag and chamber that first, then load seven in the mag and then insert the mag.

[Bawanna]

I'm not one of those guys that needs to carry a hi capacity autoloader with two spare 15 round mags, a Surefire light and a Spyderco clipped to my pocket every time I leave the house for a milk run.

One spare mag is fine. I have at times carried a Lightweight Commander .45 with one in the chamber and a full seven round mag. I have never trusted the 8 round 1911 type mags and dislike any mags that have extended baseplates. Heck, I have even pocket carried a shrouded hammer 5 shot J frame without a speedloader at times when I just needed to grab a gun and go.

I was just curious if the friction of a full seven round mag under a chambered round in a K9 might pose a reliability issue since the owners manual didn't say one way or another. I'll have to try it a few times at the range just to be sure.

I've used the Wilson 47D 8 round mag exclusively in my 1911's for years. Most of my factory mags never even been shot. A few I did just to see if they work but don't really matter they always get the Wilson's. Never an issue.

[bugs]

I shoot my CM9 EDC in IDPA bug also; IDPA stages are set up to be revolver friendly and the trick is to avoid static reloads , even if it means a extra shot on a target . the REAL pleasure is seeing how shooters with a longer sight radius marvel at how well the "short"( your trigger finger is almost as long as the slide!!comments) guns can shoot , especially if you outscore them.

NRA LIFER

IDPA BELIEVER

[King Rat]

I shoot my CM9 EDC in IDPA bug also; IDPA stages are set up to be revolver friendly and the trick is to avoid static reloads , even if it means a extra shot on a target . the REAL pleasure is seeing how shooters with a longer sight radius marvel at how well the "short"( your trigger finger is almost as long as the slide!!comments) guns can shoot , especially if you outscore them.

NRA LIFER

IDPA BELIEVER

It really is interesting to see how some shooter's that have become proficient with a short barrel firearm can get them to perform so well. And one thing I believe is that shooters that learn and become proficient with a DA trigger seem to never want to go to back to anything but one.

[berettabone]

I think the last time I shot a full-size handgun was 2010. Since then, I've only shot what I consider to be "carry" size guns. Those little pocket rockets amazed me with their accuracy the first time I got a chance to shoot one. I don't carry one myself, but I can see why people like them. Even with their mediocre sights, they can shoot well. I always rack one, then top off the mag. Always done it that way.

[dao]

It really is interesting to see how some shooter's that have become proficient with a short barrel firearm can get them to perform so well. And one thing I believe is that shooters that learn and become proficient with a DA trigger seem to never want to go to back to anything but one.

Not exactly on topic King but I think there are more than a single reason why DA shooters stick with them. And one of them is the inherent safety factor. Think back to how many times you've heard someone express discomfort and/or worry about the thought of carrying a firearm (eg 1911), "cocked and locked". And how so many of those people and millions of others now carry SA striker guns without a "lock". This never ceases to amaze me.

BTW I've been meaning to ask you. Are you a James Clavell fan?

[King Rat]

Not exactly on topic King but I think there are more than a single reason why DA shooters stick with them. And one of them is the inherent safety factor. Think back to how many times you've heard someone express discomfort and/or worry about the thought of carrying a firearm (eg 1911), "cocked and locked". And how so many of those people and millions of others now carry SA striker guns without a "lock". This never ceases to amaze me.

BTW I've been meaning to ask you. Are you a James Clavell fan?

I could not agree more. It totally amazes me. I have seen newbies come to the LGS and telling the clerk that he wants the lightest trigger and oh yes, the shortest reset. The internet has done a great marketing job with this. I remember a Hickcock45 review talking about a new Micro 9mm and for folks to be careful because of the light trigger then saying "Some of these trigger are so light, they are almost like target gun".
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[yqtszhj]

If I’m not mistaken the late Todd Green mentioned above is the guy that took a HK P30 to near 100,000 rounds in about a year. He knows a little bit about pistol shooting I’d say.

By the way the P30 story is interesting if anyone likes to read those kind of things. I think it was posted on pistoltraining.com .

[FreeMe]

My observation regarding triggers is that if you train to competence on the DAO trigger system (revolver or pistol), you can shoot anything pretty well. I can and do go back and forth with the Kahr, DA revolvers, and SA pistols. But I prefer my SA pistols to have a light trigger and a manual safety. And I also do prefer my K9 over everything else.

I also think it's peculiar how the crowd seems to be gravitating to short stroke short reset triggers with no manual safety. In fact, Miculek pretty much proves that it's a case of the masses attempting to find a hardware cure for a software problem.

[King Rat]

My observation regarding triggers is that if you train to competence on the DAO trigger system (revolver or pistol), you can shoot anything pretty well. I can and do go back and forth with the Kahr, DA revolvers, and SA pistols. But I prefer my SA pistols to have a light trigger and a manual safety. And I also do prefer my K9 over everything else.

I also think it's peculiar how the crowd seems to be gravitating to short stroke short reset triggers with no manual safety. In fact, Miculek pretty much proves that it's a case of the masses attempting to find a hardware cure for a software problem.

"Miculek pretty much proves that it's a case of the masses attempting to find a hardware cure for a software problem." Good quote, will have to remember that one.