Well Kahr…

[Armybrat]

3 months ago this video about a new Kahr double stack 9mm was all over the Internet gun boards.
I had the impression it would be revealed at the NRA convention exhibitions.
Nothing so far this weekend?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDj-59sWckI

[King Rat]

If it was going to be reveled at the NRA show they would have advertised it to bring in People to the booth and start the marketing. Here is what the firearm/Kahr guy said when asked.

https://yt3.ggpht.com/ytc/AGIKgqNtRVU5L7i8rXTAuLRyk7R2OuPORyqPqSis2e7Cxg=s48-c-k-c0x00ffffff-no-rj
Possibly 6 months.
(https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCw8FfNmFLI0LfvKt7xbf33w) TheFireArmGuy

(https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCw8FfNmFLI0LfvKt7xbf33w)


2 months ago (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDj-59sWckI&lc=UgxNkib0N-G0AYYUOPV4AaABAg.9lFHGfkpvdi9lFMyMtnxt5)

"Possibly around 6 months I guess"


Personally I think it was dumb to say anything unless he had a date. Does not make sense. It would hold off sales of the present Kahr firearms. Waiting would just frustrate fan boys. (lol which it obviously has). I would wager the next Shot show if it is even going to actually happen. Just my $1.00 now worth 2 cents.)
cents

[Bawanna]

Seems most manufacturers play up new products long before they hit the street. The Springfield SA35 (Browning Clone) is a good example. I wanted one from the get go. I've yet to see one in person around these parts. Had one on order thru a shop for well over 6 months, maybe longer. They haven't seen or even heard a possible delivery date.
I know it always takes awhile for supply to catch up with demand and the East coast generally gets stuff long before the west.
That and the incredible price gouging online. Asking 3 or 4 times the MSRP. And many paid it. Sad thing is I'm no longer nearly as excited about getting one. If they called I'm not sure I'd even grab it. The slush funds be depleted so to speak.

[DavidR]

Still waiting…

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230415/e66d0a11218972cce98fb4655dbae446.jpg

[JohnR]

TheFirearmGuy must feel like he got had.

[DavidR]

TheFirearmGuy must feel like he got had.

He’s moved on to FN.

[rodmaker]

I got impatient and bought a Sig P365. Then wondered if I messed up by not waiting. Guess not. Still love my CM9, but it's now regulated to summertime cargo short pocket carry.

[187911]

He was the only one to even mention it. I could be wrong but I don't believe Kahr, any other out of seemingly hundreds of online influencers in the firearm community, or ant firearm publications have mentioned a thing about it. It might not even exist. I don't believe that the TheFirearmGuy even reviled his source.

Maybe TheFirearmGuy told a little white lie to get views and to show Kahr that there was interest? Maybe he was told some bad info from a bad source? IDK.

[dao]

That does not sound like him. He's always come across as a squared up guy imo.

[187911]

That does not sound like him. He's always come across as a squared up guy imo.

True. I'm leaning towards he got bad info or maybe it was on the table but was scrapped by Kahr. Ruger, S&W, Taurus, Canik, Kimber, Sig, Springfield, HK, FN, Kel Tec, Mossberg, and there is probably one or two that I'm missing. Glock is in the running with the Shield Arms mags. Kahr better hurry up.

Heck even Palleto State Armory is about to release one. Mossberg is a freaking rifle company and PSA is know for AR15s and rifles. Kahr's bread and butter is the small conceal carry market. How are even rifle and 1911 companies beating them to the punch?

I really think they need new management and ownership. They have a great product, but the current owner is running the company into non relevance and existence. It's sad to see. It's not me "hating" or wishing they'll fail but rather me hoping for change so that they will still be around in the future. Right now they're a one trick pony.

[Bawanna]

Everyone has their opinion and you clarified that such is the case.

We're a pretty laid back forum and allow a lot of stuff that others do not. However, we're pretty protective of Kahr management, employees and forum administrators. You didn't cross this line but this thread has stepped right up to the line a few times.

Personally I seriously doubt that the owner has any intention to run the company into non relevance, since he designed the first Kahrs and created the company. Now that he also has several other brands it's hard to tell what the overall plan might be and again we can only speculate.

I've heard that he also sometimes works in the Kahr retail shop, Tommy gun Warehouse etc. So I'm pretty sure he's still a hands-on kind of guy which has to be a good thing.

[King Rat]

To All, dedicated Kahr fans, here is a nice link to some great Glossy photo's of Kahr, MR etc. Long live the King!

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=5082889005096160&set=pb.100069727107292.-2207520000.


https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/272989013_5082888981762829_7201271786711111229_n.j pg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=a26aad&_nc_ohc=xg7qruabsIMAX-Y5n5B&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=00_AfBEGSmeOegxDFezxCHS8C-Br8OEGVO4I3Vtr4mqEDqt4Q&oe=6442C2F7

[DavidR]

To All, dedicated Kahr fans, here is a nice link to some great Glossy photo's of Kahr, MR etc. Long live the King!

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=5082889005096160&set=pb.100069727107292.-2207520000.


https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/272989013_5082888981762829_7201271786711111229_n.j pg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=a26aad&_nc_ohc=xg7qruabsIMAX-Y5n5B&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=00_AfBEGSmeOegxDFezxCHS8C-Br8OEGVO4I3Vtr4mqEDqt4Q&oe=6442C2F7

Is that the total production of CW45s for the first quarter?

[King Rat]

Don't quite your day job.

[DavidR]

Don't quite your day job.

It’s six more than I would have thought. :)

[Barth]

I continue to believe that a Kahr M45 SS Commander Elite would rule.
But that's just me :)

[Vinikahr]

I really think they need new management and ownership. They have a great product, but the current owner is running the company into non relevance and existence. It's sad to see. It's not me "hating" or wishing they'll fail but rather me hoping for change so that they will still be around in the future. Right now they're a one trick pony.

A familiar story with Gaston Glock!

[Armybrat]

My Ruger Max 9 and Kahr S9 are almost identical in overall dimensions, even in width, but the Max holds 3 more rounds.
Seems like a simple fix, but I’m certainly no engineer.

[King Rat]

My Ruger Max 9 and Kahr S9 are almost identical in overall dimensions, even in width, but the Max holds 3 more rounds.
Seems like a simple fix, but I’m certainly no engineer.

Nice. Brings me a lot of memories of My LC9S. Loved the slim design. The only gun I have traded off. A lot of rounds through it and the trigger had become way to light for my Personal taste. Wish now I had kept it. It did have the thumb safety which I liked. Even gave away about 8 mags. DUMB! Owned the original LC9 with the long trigger, but gave that to my brother who shot it for years. Never shot the Max. Appears Ruger did well with keeping the width slim.






Length
Height
Width
Weight


Max-9 (https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/ruger-max-9)
6 in
4.52 in
0.95 in
18.4 oz


S9 (https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/kahr-s9)
5.9 in
4.5 in
0.9 in
17.7 o

[Armybrat]

Yes, but the Ruger is kinda ugly though.
Plus the slide rattles a lot.

Just for grins, ordered one of these yesterday. Have always read how much their owners like them, so thought I’d see what the fuss is all about. Those guys said it was a pretty good deal. It’s supposed to be delivered to my ffl tomorrow.

https://grabagun.com/firearms/handguns/semi-automatic-handguns/cz-75-compact-9mm-3-9-blk-2-14rd.html

[dustnchips]

I have the full size CZ75 SP01 Tactical with a 22lr conversion kit. I shoot it both ways and it is a great gun.

[Armybrat]

Back to the Kahr “surprise that disappeared”:

I’m wondering if it is possible that Mr. Moon was going to introduce a Kahr double stack .30 Super Carry with a whole lot of capacity in a CW9/P9 platform?
And maybe it has been delayed because of technical problems or the shooting public’s seeming lack of interest in the new cartridge?
Or both?

[DavidR]

Back to the Kahr “surprise that disappeared”:

I’m wondering if it is possible that Mr. Moon was going to introduce a Kahr double stack .30 Super Carry with a whole lot of capacity in a CW9/P9 platform?
And maybe it has been delayed because of technical problems or the shooting public’s seeming lack of interest in the new cartridge?
Or both?

Anything is possible.

[King Rat]

Anything is possible.

Yep, Maybe even a six shot Snub. Man, that would be great with Kahr quality! One in 38, 357 and even 9mm!

[JohnR]

A Kahr revolver?

[Bawanna]

Yeah, but one that holds at least 12 rounds and is only an inch thick. We know what we want.

[King Rat]

Yeah, but one that holds at least 12 rounds and is only an inch thick. We know what we want.

We? I already have what I want. But I am just a small little fish that swims in some murky pond.
To make the perfect gun and to be the top seller will have to appeal to the top selling buyers, the Tech Crowd. What is the average age of the buyer in 2023? I believe it is something like 30-35, I will look it up. The Red Dot is the new thing. These guy's have figured out a new market, one that will continue to have many new innovations, they smell the money and will always build a better gadget. The Red Dot will go the way of the Cell phone. Lot of cost, and upgrade often. Might think about investing into that stock.

Personally I think simple guns, and small guns are on the way out. No one is even thinking about a new Pocket gun. If it does not have a Red Dot it is not going to sell. Taurus even has tried to put one on a Snub nose. It is a strange strange world Master Jack.

Suppose you were someone that did not even care about guns, but just someone that wanted to make a whole lot of money. You look at trends, style, etc. What would you think would be the design of the gun that will make the most cash from the masses in the coming future? How will the Red Dot improve? Will lasers make a return? Heat seeking Red Dot or laser? Cost of ownership, ammo etc. Do people really want to actually train and practice? How much more of Bidenomics continue before a crash?
Civil unrest is just in the infant stages. Homelessness and crime are growing at a rampant pace along with the new Drug Market while the war against the 2A will never go away.
So many things to think about.

By the way, Look at probably the most popular EDC gun that hit the market and how things have changed, the time line of the product from the first Sig 365. What will be next?

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2021/06/17/sigs-p365-family-history-and-current-variants/


https://i.postimg.cc/dQXCdT5F/The-future.jpg (https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2021/06/17/sigs-p365-family-history-and-current-variants/)

[DavidR]

Yeah, but one that holds at least 12 rounds and is only an inch thick. We know what we want.

You forgot the 3 lb trigger - in double action.

[King Rat]

The reason I posted was because yesterday, I took the Beretta Pico to the indoor range. Set up a target at 7 yds and right away blasted 6 rounds into the head. Easy Peesy. I mean nothing to it. There is no recoil to speak of, the trigger was no issue. Just simply pointed the gun and quickly pulled the trigger 6 times. About as Simple as you can get.
On the way home, I was thinking about all the comments John Q. Public have whined about over the years. Horrible recoil, heavy trigger, Long trigger, hard to shoot, no ret dot etc. No JOHN, it is just that you never wanted to train diligently with one, (same with the Kahr etc.) God Forbid they actually had to use a DAO.
The Pico is gone. Goodby Pico, hello Big Ass Cheetah in 380. No thank you Beretta, I will stick with the Pico. I saw it all coming and bought 3 of them. I have 2 Kahr CM9s, two P380's. I am good. The rest of the world can figure out what they want or have to have.
(The Pico has the slimmest with of any gun. No way to put a Red Dot on something that small. The gun was cursed from the beginning, only Beretta did not know it.)

[187911]

A Kahr revolver?

Honestly, I'd think a Kahr revolver line would sell more than any double stack or any favor other semiauto. All a mute point because I seriously doubt Kahr will ever introduce anyone other than the status quo.

[JohnR]

Kahr has yet to make a .22. Just sayin’.

[yqtszhj]

Make something in line with the S&W CSX, only in DA/SA and I’m good to go.

[JohnR]

Imagine a beefed up Bersa Thunder .380 in 9mm. Stronger metallurgy I guess, elongated grip to accommodate the longer cartridge, but it’s a nice size, and DA/SA. Thing is, it’s a blowback, so it might be rough to shoot in 9mm.

[berettabone]

The reason I posted was because yesterday, I took the Beretta Pico to the indoor range. Set up a target at 7 yds and right away blasted 6 rounds into the head. Easy Peesy. I mean nothing to it. There is no recoil to speak of, the trigger was no issue. Just simply pointed the gun and quickly pulled the trigger 6 times. About as Simple as you can get.
On the way home, I was thinking about all the comments John Q. Public have whined about over the years. Horrible recoil, heavy trigger, Long trigger, hard to shoot, no ret dot etc. No JOHN, it is just that you never wanted to train diligently with one, (same with the Kahr etc.) God Forbid they actually had to use a DAO.
The Pico is gone. Goodby Pico, hello Big Ass Cheetah in 380. No thank you Beretta, I will stick with the Pico. I saw it all coming and bought 3 of them. I have 2 Kahr CM9s, two P380's. I am good. The rest of the world can figure out what they want or have to have.
(The Pico has the slimmest with of any gun. No way to put a Red Dot on something that small. The gun was cursed from the beginning, only Beretta did not know it.) That " big ass cheetah " is a nice firearm. Used an 84FS for CCL qualification. Shot a perfect score. Wish I still had it................

[King Rat]

Imagine a beefed up Bersa Thunder .380 in 9mm. Stronger metallurgy I guess, elongated grip to accommodate the longer cartridge, but it’s a nice size, and DA/SA. Thing is, it’s a blowback, so it might be rough to shoot in 9mm.

Yea, I would love to see that since I love the design. And for sure would buy a Bersa 380 over a Cheetah. The cost of the Cheetah which is a insane $750. I have been a big fan of the 380. but only for the small concealed carry guns. We now see those that would put the cartridge down, now bragging about the cartridge in Cheetah. Same Youtube reviewers that Put down the Kahr/Beretta DAO trigger now bragging about the DA trigger on the Cheetah. Lol, hypocrites. If I am going to fork out #750 for a firearm, and one that weighs 25oz I am going to get a 9mm.

Nicer design and LESS than the Beretta $299 vs $750.00

https://i.postimg.cc/vmP6LL68/bersa-380.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[berettabone]

Yeah, with a lousy trigger, horrible location for mag release and lousy sights. I can see it now. " Yeah, I picked up this great Bersa. Changed the trigger, has fixed sights, 20 ozs. unloaded, can't do anything about the mag release ". Another $300 gun with addons that's still not worth $300. Next...............

[berettabone]

Yes, a Cheetah is expensive, but it's a quality gun. I see and hear about people spending a lot more on a firearm, just to stuff it in a safe. So...................................

[Armybrat]

Thought I got a really good deal on that Kahr S9 a few weeks ago….. now Grabagun must need to get rid of their remaining stock - $255.99 (plus tax & shipping)

https://grabagun.com/kahr-arms-sw9-9mm-3-6-7rd-blk.html?turntosku=GAG_RES-KASW9093&turntoEmailType=reviewSolicitation&turntosuid=TEMGY08&transId=2282077&reviewStartAction=shareAPhoto&turntoFromRebelmail=1&turntoNotificationData=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJmaX JzdE5hbWUiOiJCcmlhbiIsImxhc3ROYW1lIjoiSGlsc2FiZWNr IiwiYWxyZWFkeVJldmlld2VkIjpmYWxzZSwidmFsaWRhdGlvbk Vycm9ycyI6ZmFsc2UsInR5cGUiOiJyZXZpZXciLCJza3UiOiJH QUdfUkVTLUtBU1c5MDkzIiwiaWF0IjoxNjkxNDk4NDczLCJlbW FpbCI6ImJoaWxzYWJlY2tAYXVzdGluLnJyLmNvbSJ9.lnAPABK EWSfoa2gQ8jxe_vYpGNKRRCldaLiR9vzhZao&tttok=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJhIjpmYWxzZSwicyI6IlJ TRSIsInQiOjIyODIwNzcsImUiOiJiaGlsc2FiZWNrQGF1c3Rpb i5yci5jb20iLCJ1IjoxMjM0MjM4Nywic3VpIjo2MzI5NywiaXN zIjoiVHVyblRvIiwiZXhwIjoxNjkxNTg0ODczMTQzLCJpYXQiO jE2OTE0OTg0NzMsImNhIjoiSGFuZGd1bnMifQ.ykhdweOtT6sC csrD5hPeGrfxttWEZMutmUw_W9jfJac&turntoflow=review

[yqtszhj]

Grabagun has had some good deals lately. I saw some on CZ’s too.

When I was at the gun show recently one of the dealers I talk to all the time was telling me they’re seeing a slowdown in buying by some consumers. People who usually buy less expensive guns ($400 and less) aren’t buying like before because inflation is starting to have a real impact on them. The folks who usually buy $600 plus guns are still buying like normal. He was telling me that recently where he would usually sell 10+ Taurus pistols on a Saturday, now he has only been selling 2 or 3. He was saying his budget customers are telling him rent, mortgages, and food are taking their budgets these days. Of course that leaves some good deals for us.

[King Rat]

Yep, seeing them around $210. Great buy. Normally I would jump on that gun. But really trying to cut back, I own too many. Putting my cash into ammo. Also think I am going to have to give up shotguns as much a I love them. Shoulder has been taking a beating. Now going to a Chiropractor and doing all kinds of stretches and exercises. The Human body was NOT designed for that kind of abuse. Still thinking about a 20 gauge shockwave or just use my Moss20ga with the cruiser pistol grip.

[King Rat]

Grabagun has had some good deals lately. I saw some on CZ’s too.

When I was at the gun show recently one of the dealers I talk to all the time was telling me they’re seeing a slowdown in buying by some consumers. People who usually buy less expensive guns ($400 and less) aren’t buying like before because inflation is starting to have a real impact on them. The folks who usually buy $600 plus guns are still buying like normal. He was telling me that recently where he would usually sell 10+ Taurus pistols on a Saturday, now he has only been selling 2 or 3. He was saying his budget customers are telling him rent, mortgages, and food are taking their budgets these days. Of course that leaves some good deals for us.

Just listened to the guy's behind the counter at my LGS saying the same thing.Every thing is going up at the grocery store. Seems like every thing you touch is $5.00.

[Armybrat]

The ST9 is also priced at $255.99.

[King Rat]

Yes, a Cheetah is expensive, but it's a quality gun. I see and hear about people spending a lot more on a firearm, just to stuff it in a safe. So...................................

No doubt it is total quality. I do think the Beretta Boys will be the one's to jump all over this for their collections. Which they seem to like to do.

[yqtszhj]

The ST9 is also priced at $255.99.

I saw that too. It’s a good deal.

[King Rat]

I saw that too. It’s a good deal.

What is maybe over looked, is the fact that both models give you TWO magazines. (ST9, and S9, $216 @Locked and Loaded)

[King Rat]

Yep, Maybe even a six shot Snub. Man, that would be great with Kahr quality! One in 38, 357 and even 9mm!

Yep, another revolver. Here is one I did not know about and just watched some video's. The Kimber K6XS at only 15oz.
Dang, I would love one. . And of course I love the Snub. If Kimber can do it, why not Kahr? Think about it, a light weight Kahr semi partnered with a light weight Snub. With the same great trigger. Taurus is doing well it seems with the Poplular 856.

https://i.postimg.cc/xdYRBNq3/Kimber-K6-XS.png (https://postimages.org/)

https://www.kimberamerica.com/k6xs-38-spl

(https://www.kimberamerica.com/k6xs-38-spl)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn1_qy7kCCg

[JohnR]

I happened to check the Kahr website and they seem to have dropped several models. All the cerakote slides are gone except burnt bronze in the CW9. Under "S Series" it says there are no models at this time. You can get a P9-2 or TP9-2 with rail, front serrations, and night sights. There is no MK40 or K40. And no T9.

So they have the P9, P40, P45, P380. TP9-2, PM9, PM40, PM45. CM9 and CM45. CW9, CW380, CW45. CT9, CT380, CT45. K9, MK9. Many of those have sub-variants with different sights or polishing on the all stainless guns.

It's a plentiful lineup, and they're not the first to de-clutter their catalog.

[DavidR]

Yep. That’s still a lot of offerings in 4 calibers.

[King Rat]

I received a email today from Trijicon, about the all new technology of their new Red Dot. As I have said before, I think this is where you are going to see the money makers really hit the band wagon. I believe you are going to see these electronic makers upgrade and upgrade their product. It is the nature of electronics, what is new today is obsolete tomorrow. The power of reoccurring revenue. Taurus just released a new GX4, with a longer GRIP one that will hold 15-17 rds. Lol, where is this going to end?
I was at the range a few days ago and some guy had a DRUM attached to a Pistol (I guess a Glock) and was running through more ammo than I do in a month (and I spend a lot). Funny thing is, the guy would barely the target.

[JohnR]

At least Drum Boy got a good upper body workout.

[Armybrat]

I guess the S9 I bought new a few weeks ago from GaG was NOS (leftovers on clearance)?

[JohnR]

A collector’s item?

[JohnR]

I’m kinda thinking about a TP9-2 for the nightstand. I have a light but nothing to mount it on.

[hardluk1]

Opps , No signs of life here .

[Bawanna]

We do need to liven the joint up some. How do we go about doing that. Need new members? Ban Jeepster for not giving us pictures? Reinstitute the draft for membership?

[JohnR]

Start a rumor that Kahr was sold to CZ?

[Armybrat]

Start a rumor that Kahr was sold to CZ?

Then some will start clamoring for a hammer-fired CW9. 😄

[Tilos]

Then some will start clamoring for a hammer-fired CW9. 

I'm in...
Bring it. :p

[Bawanna]

I swear (not often) some people you can cut off both legs and they'd still kick.

[dao]

Grease on the rails? Or oil?

[yqtszhj]

Grease on the rails? Or oil?
Grease on one
Oil on the other

[JohnR]

Then some will start clamoring for a hammer-fired CW9. 
I’ll take one!