Kahr X9 doublestack early-look video

[tokuno]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZJ9sMN_ViA

[BirdsThaWord]

Well! Well! Well! About time. Wonder if we’ll ever see it? Hope to see it and choot it, maybe own it. Gaudy to put the big old serial plate there though.
Mag interchangeability is awesome! Take down improvement is awesome! Captured recoil spring is awesome!

[Armybrat]

Most likely I will buy three of these if they are as reliable as my single stacks.
Yay!

[JohnR]

Nice!

[dao]

Love to see the "shorter, lighter" trigger version with a manual safety!
Could do without the rail, but that's just me.
Would definitely want to be able to get a full grip on the gun, with a 10rd Commie state magazine.
I'm pleased that Justin is at least staying in the game.
Shot Show?

[yqtszhj]

That serial number plate should be relocated for sure

[JohnR]

Now do a CT9 like that. Normal Kahr trigger.

[DavidR]

This has to be the weirdest product introduction I’ve ever seen.

Magazines? We can’t show you yet
New trigger? We can’t show you yet
Taller sights? We can’t show you yet

Does it really work with these other mags? If so, why didn’t he shoot it?

I’m not a fan of longer barrel shorter grip guns so overall I’m not very excited about this but who knows I might change my mind.

And the serial number plate is beyond hideous.

[ttz]

I think they should put the serial plate inside the gun and the slide will have to be removed to see it. Safer for it in there anyways.

[Armybrat]

That serial number plate should be relocated for sure

No kidding!

It’s bad enough on my S9….

[Bawanna]

I think the serial plate should go back like it used to be under the barrel. Can't really put it inside. LE has to be able to see it. I had a couple guns stolen from me close to 50 years ago, I still carry the serial numbers in my wallet and when I see one like at a range I try to get a look just to check. I know where they ended up but that's a long story.

[JohnR]

The new takedown system, I like s lot.

[kenemoore]

Not for me. I don't understand why a pistol designed for concealed carry would ever need a rail. My anti-rail mental state, may be affected by my years of 1911 carry. Old dog, new trick, kinda thing.

[berettabone]

meh.....................

[yqtszhj]

Not for me. I don't understand why a pistol designed for concealed carry would ever need a rail. My anti-rail mental state, may be affected by my years of 1911 carry. Old dog, new trick, kinda thing.

Im with you there. I did what some would call unthinkable and filed down the saw teeth of a rail on my H&K P30SK because they would hang up on things and were sharp. It’s much nicer now. The ones on my larger p30 I left alone.

[Armybrat]

Yeah, I have no use for handgun rails.
My new S9 has that feature, but I’ll never hang anything on it.

I like the pistol better than my old CW9 because of the nicer sights, front slide serrations, and the $218 price tag. 😁

[Armybrat]

The new takedown system, I like s lot.
Looks like a big improvement.
I just hope the new double stack mags don’t have the same problems the old single stacks had a reputation for.

[JohnR]

On a small carry gun, yeah a rail is not of much use. A nightstand gun benefits from a light mounted on a rail, and a nightstand gun can be full sized. Or CT9/T9 sized, hint hint.

[BirdsThaWord]

Rails can be disappeared/smoothed for draw with the right light. No, this one does not have rails, but gets the smooth point across. I don’t want to be trying to hold/fumble with a flashlight in my other hand in a night time situation.
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[JohnR]

I just stay home at night :cool:

[Bawanna]

I just stay home at night :cool:

We have a bingo ! I stay home most of the time during the day too.

[kenemoore]

So, my worthless opinion on gun lights. Never point a pistol at anything you don't want to kill. Unless, it's a pistol with a light. Help me out here. I always carry a light, but not on my pistol.

[King Rat]

I pray it comes out just to shut up all those that cried like hell Kahr does not have a double stack. I bet it is going to be expensive.

[JohnR]

You don’t need to point the light/pistol at someone, just hold it in low ready, flip on the light, and there should be enough ambient light to ID the target.

For those afraid the light provides a target to aim at, IDing the target should take a second or less, then you can use the light to ruin their night vision. Look into a light at night, and see if you think you can hit it.

All theory of course, the fog of battle changes everything.

[berettabone]

No rail or light for me for home protection. If someone entered (broke in) with a firearm, even if they're blinded by light, they can still shoot towards the light. I know my home like the back of my hand. I have the advantage in the dark. I've also had many discussions with the wifey, so we're on the same page. They'd also have to deal with a dog. Also have places to hide behind. They could end up being very busy...........:D

[Barth]

From an aesthetics standpoint I like the classic look of a handgun without a rail (Particularly 1911s).
Also have a variety of Sig Sauer guns and none have rails.
Do have lots of guns with rails though (Mostly HK).
Some have a light or laser attached.
And now I've gone to a green dot optic on my latest carry gun :eek:

[dao]

I pray it comes out just to shut up all those that cried like hell Kahr does not have a double stack. I bet it is going to be expensive.

Before Glock came out with the G42, Glock owners lamented for years about the need for a single stack. Just goes to show that we tend to want what we don't have.


No rail or light for me for home protection. If someone entered (broke in) with a firearm, even if they're blinded by light, they can still shoot towards the light. I know my home like the back of my hand. I have the advantage in the dark. I've also had many discussions with the wifey, so we're on the same page. They'd also have to deal with a dog. Also have places to hide behind. They could end up being very busy...........:D

Same here so far as the dog goes. We have two Shepherds, and I count on them to give me a chance to wake up and get my wits about me before having to take on intruders. I do have a light and laser on my HD gun though. I don't have to use it, and probably wouldn't need to if things when down real quick. But if you do it's important to remember to turn it off quickly, and then move away. Mine's has a momentary switch option, so that makes it easier. And I don't want to shoot one of my dogs :)

[Bawanna]

So, my worthless opinion on gun lights. Never point a pistol at anything you don't want to kill. Unless, it's a pistol with a light. Help me out here. I always carry a light, but not on my pistol.

I'm in this category myself. I have 3 flashlights on board the chair all the time, just convenient. It's different of course but part of my job at the PD was to review body camera footage when those came into vogue. Police are trained not to search with their weapon mounted light but it's surprising how many actually did. I have no issue on a home defense gun having a light as you'll just be confirming or identifying a bad guy, not searching for one which of course is a bad idea but may come into account if you have kids etc on the other end of the house, then forting up just isn't gonna work. To each his own.

[DavidR]

I pray it comes out just to shut up all those that cried like hell Kahr does not have a double stack. I bet it is going to be expensive.

Given that it’s bigger than a P365 and there are numerous other “micro” offerings bigger than a P365, I don’t expect it to sell well (if it ever makes it to market). Kahr should have made a CM9 sized double stack. I wonder how thick the grip is. If Kahr didn’t thin the grip walls it’ll be a fatty. It’s main attraction will be the DA trigger, for those that like that.

That being said, I applaud them for bringing out something new. 🆕

[berettabone]

I guess the way my home is set up, I would be the first to know about an intruder. This is why you should get on the same page with everyone in the home. That way, everyone knows what or what not to do. I can also see very well in the dark of my house and don't worry about shooting anyone by not being able to identify them. They would have to make quite a ruckus just to get in. I would never shoot the dog unintentionally unless the midgets from the circus were in town. The dog doesn't move if she hears someone walking around at night, but if she hears the tiniest squeak on a door, she'll let me know. Also, if you keep a couple of nightlights plugged in, they give you just enough light

[tokuno]

Same here so far as the dog goes. We have two Shepherds, and I count on them to give me a chance to wake up and get my wits about me before having to take on intruders. . .

We have a guinea pig (daughter bought it in high school and promptly left it with us as she struck off on her own), and I tell ya, if those intruders come in holding wilted lettuce, they're gonna get an earful.
I appreciate Kahr's marketing savvy with the various X9 features and especially the magazine flexibility, but I find the PM9 dimensions & features "just right", so I'm not their target market. For them to expand beyond the Kahr enthusiasts, I'd like to see them eliminate the Kahr detractors' ability to complain about spotty customer service, 200-round break-in, crappy follower design & first round nose-dive or poor retention, and any other legitimate beefs that recur on the forums.
For myself, I've none of those complaints, but then again, I'm a Kahr enthusiast.

[Bawanna]

The 200 round break in bone has been chewed severely, I totally believe that every gun needs a break in, some more than others. Even some of the high end guns that cost more than my van recommend a break in period.
The mfg pumping out lots of guns doesn't have time to run a bunch of rounds thru every gun. I hear that many now have machines that basically rack them a bunch but still might not be equivalent to live fire. LIke hand racking, I've never been a big advocate of that. It may help some but not like shooting.
Course like tokuno, I've never had issues with any of my Kahrs. Never did any prep other than routine clean and lube and they shot, sling shotted and all the other negative stuff people mention.
My PM45 as I've mentioned before went over 300 rounds right out of the box. Me and the son just had a lot of fun that day.

[Armybrat]

As the review of the S9 in the American Rifleman said, Kahr developed a “break in” machine:

https://www.kahr.com/PDF/AR-0218.pdf

[King Rat]

The 200 round break in bone has been chewed severely, I totally believe that every gun needs a break in, some more than others. Even some of the high end guns that cost more than my van recommend a break in period.
The mfg pumping out lots of guns doesn't have time to run a bunch of rounds thru every gun. I hear that many now have machines that basically rack them a bunch but still might not be equivalent to live fire. LIke hand racking, I've never been a big advocate of that. It may help some but not like shooting.
Course like tokuno, I've never had issues with any of my Kahrs. Never did any prep other than routine clean and lube and they shot, sling shotted and all the other negative stuff people mention.
My PM45 as I've mentioned before went over 300 rounds right out of the box. Me and the son just had a lot of fun that day.

Even IF any gun needed a 200 round break in, SO WHAT! People act like 200 rounds is a lifetime supply of ammo. I bring that much ammo and more on my new guns. (actually for the Internet basher's. 200 rounds probably is a life time supply.)

[Armybrat]

I’ve never used more than two boxes of ammo to break in a new semi-auto pistol at the first range session.
Usually only go through one.

[getsome]

I’m glad to see that Kahr is trying to keep up with the market but for me this pistol doesn’t do it although I do like the easier take down but that serial number plate is a turn off and for me I don’t need rails or optics for a small ccw pistol and I’m not a fan of gun mounted lights unless you are SWAT or some other professional law enforcement agent…….My bed side gun is a S&W full size 9mm M&P with a loaded mag but empty chamber and a hand held Streamlight Protac 2LX flashlight………As far as dogs go I’m SOL because my 140 lb Doberman Rottweiler mix is a total love cow, she might lift her head if glass were breaking or a door was kicked in but unless the bad guy opened the fridge and unwrapped cheese slices then it might possibly get her attention……

[187911]

The fact is if you don't want the rail, you don't have to use it. If you want it, it's there to be used. This is a hip and not a pocket gun. Most double-stack platforms have rails on them, and the majority of buyers perfer that option. I don't understand those who complain about rails or optic cuts as if they're being forced to use it just because it's there. The M&P 2.0, HK P30sk, Sig P320, Caniks, FN's, Ruger, Taurus, CZ, Beretta, Springfield, so on and so forth. Litteraly every popular duty, military, and civilian subcompact double stack on the market with the exception of the G26 has had a rail on it. I am not buying that there is an issue with drawing from the holster because of the rail either.... rails on double standard polymer and even many DA/SA metal framed handguns have been the standard for some time now. I'm not sure why it's a surprise or huge deal to some that one would be there. I see it as older old fashioned stuck in the past customer base who are making a mountain out of an ant hill because something is different than what they're use to. The fact is, if there was no rail, 20x more people would complain vs. the small percentage of people complaining about the rail being there.

Other than that, it's a test gun that is still in the production phase:

Magazines? We can’t show you yet
New trigger? We can’t show you yet
Taller sights? We can’t show you yet

Because they haven't gotten that far yet, and they are still working through what all that will look like. It's not a finished or finalized product. They're just putting it out there for testing and to get feedback which is normal. The only thing different in this case vs. with what other manufacturers do is they apparently didn't force The Firearm Guy to sign a NDA while testing their prototype.

[187911]

Rails can be disappeared/smoothed for draw with the right light. No, this one does not have rails, but gets the smooth point across. I don’t want to be trying to hold/fumble with a flashlight in my other hand in a night time situation.
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I have the same light/laser. I've had it on my orginal Shield 1.0 for many years, and have sense moved it to my Shield Plus. I've carried the below setup OWB and IWB in 100 degree weather with shorts and a medium sized regular t-shirt without any concealment or drawing issues. YMMV.

https://i.imgur.com/t0GFoCD.jpg

[King Rat]

I’ve never used more than two boxes of ammo to break in a new semi-auto pistol at the first range session.
Usually only go through one.

It is not just the brake in that I shoot more ammo. I always use different loads, different bullet weights, defense loads etc. As far as the Rail on the NEW Kahr, I could go either way. I could see scenario's of using a very small light attached. And as the other poster mentioned, You do not have to use it. I think Red Dot suck on small Micro 9mm's. But it is there is you desired to have one. Not a fan of laser's but they make more sense for a Micro than a RD. So in that regards a rail could have uses down the road.
Red Dots are changing all the time. Never know what they will come up with in the future that maybe something I like (doubt it). I have the ability to put a RD on my Beretta APX Carry, do not use a Red Dot, but do not even notice the plate. The more I see this gun the more I am moving toward it.

Justin Moon is no dummy. I truly believe he is not going to ruin his legacy with jut another Micro 9mm in a sea of so many. I believe this will be a superior product. And to get it perfect is going to take time. I have a hunch the New Product when released will be a solid Winner.

[SlowBurn]

Interesting, but who knows when it will actually come out? I'm a little surprised Kahr is doing a double stack micro 9 at all , after all this time, to add to the saturated market. Kahr has never been a "me too" kind of company. Besides, my impression is that Justin Moon sort of lost interest in the small carry pistol segment (which he did so much to improve back when he was innovating) and was enjoying playing with the big boomers, tommy guns, etc.

What I envy is the captured recoil rod/spring assembly. Why doesn't Kahr or anyone else make them for the existing Kahr pistols? I really hate messing with 2 pretty stiff open springs every time I clean my CW 380.

[DavidR]

Other than that, it's a test gun that is still in the production phase:

Magazines? We can’t show you yet
New trigger? We can’t show you yet
Taller sights? We can’t show you yet

Because they haven't gotten that far yet, and they are still working through what all that will look like. It's not a finished or finalized product. They're just putting it out there for testing and to get feedback which is normal. The only thing different in this case vs. with what other manufacturers do is they apparently didn't force The Firearm Guy to sign a NDA while testing their prototype.

Testing and feedback?

There was no testing and what feedback could they possibly be looking for? There are probably 15 guns in the segment already and 5,000 YouTube videos where reviewers give feedback on those guns. There’s nothing innovative in this preview - micro, double stack, optics ready, etc.

If it’s priced like a Taurus ($300) I’ll probably end up buying one but if it’s priced like a Sig ($500) I’ll pass. Heck you can buy a Shield Plus for $350 nowadays.

[King Rat]

Testing and feedback?

There was no testing and what feedback could they possibly be looking for? There are probably 15 guns in the segment already and 5,000 YouTube videos where reviewers give feedback on those guns. There’s nothing innovative in this preview - micro, double stack, optics ready, etc.

If it’s priced like a Taurus ($300) I’ll probably end up buying one but if it’s priced like a Sig ($500) I’ll pass. Heck you can buy a Shield Plus for $350 nowadays.

True, but there really is no innovation in most Pistols. Just added more ammo capacity. Basically they are still the same Platform. And a consumer can now get a whole lot of good gun, solid built gun in the $300-350 range and even under. The Taurus is proving that now all the time. Gun Manfactuers like Tisas have shown you can get a solid 1911 at a budget price. PSA has shown you can get a better Glock for around $300.
My GX4 has been nothing but a solid reliable, good shooting performer. (Actually I bought two). The thing is, all those Crying like a bunch of Liberal spoiled brats that want someone to pay off their College Promissory note can now stop. But watch them still start crying because it has some little feature they do not like, that makes them fold like a cheap lawn chair. For Kahr it is like Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't.

[kenemoore]

I am still wishing for a K45. I realize if they base it off the K9/K40 frame, it will probably be only 5+1, but I would buy one. If it was based on the T9 frame we might get 6 or 7 round mags.

[Bawanna]

For a 45 I'd definitely opt for the T myself. Perfect size. But color me happy. I'm content with the current offerings. Everybody has different taste I guess. Others you could chop off both legs and they'd still kick. Lot and lots of options out there now days.

[getsome]

Yep, I’d take one 6+1 round K45 over a handful of the latest triple stack super elastic fantastic plastic space guns…….I dream of a DLC K45 but much like a Falcons Super Bowl win I probably will never see either one in my lifetime……

[DavidR]

True, but there really is no innovation in most Pistols. Just added more ammo capacity. Basically they are still the same Platform. And a consumer can now get a whole lot of good gun, solid built gun in the $300-350 range and even under. The Taurus is proving that now all the time. Gun Manfactuers like Tisas have shown you can get a solid 1911 at a budget price. PSA has shown you can get a better Glock for around $300.
My GX4 has been nothing but a solid reliable, good shooting performer. (Actually I bought two). The thing is, all those Crying like a bunch of Liberal spoiled brats that want someone to pay off their College Promissory note can now stop. But watch them still start crying because it has some little feature they do not like, that makes them fold like a cheap lawn chair. For Kahr it is like Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't.
Kahr innovated by producing a micro 9mm.
Sig innovated by developing a double stack mag for the micro.
Someone innovated at some point with the first pistol optic.
Beyond that?

This new Kahr will likely be a nice offering, assuming it comes to market, but it’ll have a ton of competition from better known brands while not offering anything except maybe a nice double action trigger which most prospective buyers will hate.

[JohnR]

Let them have their Glock Leg Triggers, we here know better :)

[187911]

Testing and feedback?

There was no testing and what feedback could they possibly be looking for? There are probably 15 guns in the segment already and 5,000 YouTube videos where reviewers give feedback on those guns. There’s nothing innovative in this preview - micro, double stack, optics ready, etc.

If it’s priced like a Taurus ($300) I’ll probably end up buying one but if it’s priced like a Sig ($500) I’ll pass. Heck you can buy a Shield Plus for $350 nowadays.

They want testing and feedback on what they're offering, what features they should add, what they should change, if there's any problems they didn't think of, etc... It's not that complicated. All these current offerings are not exactly the same and all have their pros and cons. A G26, VP9, M&P, P320, etc are all polymer strikers, but they all still have their differences.

[187911]

Kahr innovated by producing a micro 9mm.
Sig innovated by developing a double stack mag for the micro.
Someone innovated at some point with the first pistol optic.
Beyond that?

This new Kahr will likely be a nice offering, assuming it comes to market, but it’ll have a ton of competition from better known brands while not offering anything except maybe a nice double action trigger which most prospective buyers will hate.

Sig didn't develop a double stack mag for the micro 9mm. Kel Tec did that with the P11. Other than that, I've never seen so many people complain in my life. People whine because Kahr didn't release anything new and were slowly going out of business. Now they're complaining because Kahr is offering something new. Kahr has a unique trigger and barrel system that all of the other double stack options on the market lack, so the notion that this new Kahr offering offers nothing new than what's already out there is ridiculous. It offers the same features (trigger barrel system) that many people have grown to love in a higher capacity double stack platform with updated modern features, and everyone is complaining, being nothing but negative, and upset about have more capacity and a nice DAO like kahr trigger?

If you want a double stack striker-fired handgun with a long 6lb +/- DAO trigger, name one competing manufacturer that you can go to. Now name all the manufacturers who offer polymer frame striker-fired handgun typically with a trigger safety dingus and short reset. Don't tell me this new Kahr offering offers nothing new to the market because that is NOT true.

I just realize Kahr is damned if they do, damned if they don't, and people just like complaining for the sake of it. If you're stuck in the past, don't like change, and don't want the capacity, then keep the standard Kahr single stacks that haven't been selling well. Most in the firearm community want capacity in this day and age. The new offering offers something for a different demographic, and hopefully will keep Kahr from dying by the waste side along with teeny tiny small diehard fanbase who rather see Kahr go out of business than to update.

[187911]

Keltec's P-11 introduced in 1995:





Overall Lenth
Height
Width
Weight
Barrel Length
Capacity


P365


5.8"


4.3"


1"


18.5oz


3.1


10, 12 (+1)


P-11


6"


4.3"


1"


14oz


3.1


10, 12 (+1)



https://i.ibb.co/g7J0mhB/1702532740570.png

https://i.ibb.co/Tgrtzgm/IMG-0798-1.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/NsSNFN1/IMG-0790-1.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/d7NjRmd/1702530985875.png

FYI: The Beretta Nanos predates the Sig P365 as the first micro striker-fired 9mm with a removable chassis system debuting in 2011.... That said, neither Nano, the P320, or P365 were the first handguns with a removable chassis.

There are only so many "new" or innovative designs that can be added to the market. For the most part, the action, ammo, and function of firearms have remained the exact same for decades. Even Glocks were born from tech that predated it. Not only that, the firearm community and even members on this board HATE change even though they complain about it not happening. Anything knew is complained about and deemed to be nothing more than a gimmick. Look at all of the people still bashing red dots and modular pistols, and we even have members in this thread being critical of having more capacity. When night sights first came out and still to this very date we have people bashing them. The fact is that the firearm community is resistant to change and innovation, and there's not much more that can be changed with regards to firearms. It's a technology that has been perfected over a century already. All that's left is to go to smart technology, but we don't want that either.

[Bawanna]

I agree for the most part. I don't understand where folks think Kahr is going out of business. I think they are doing just fine. Have to remember they are very much multifaceted, lots of brands under the Kahr umbrella. Perhaps Kahr isn't doing as well as they'd like or maybe they are right where they want to be for the moment. I agree the new potential offering adds some plus's for many. Maybe not so much for others, that's the way it will always be.
I certainly wouldn't be thinking of writing off Kahr, I think they'll be around a lot longer than most of us for sure.

[DavidR]

187911-

For someone who complains about “whining” you’re whining incessantly.

As far as this not being a product introduction, go back and watch the video again. At 52 seconds the Firearm Guy says “this is an introduction video”.

If you read my post, I’m not criticizing the offering, I’m criticizing introducing a half-baked pistol in a segment crowded with competition. Given Kahr’s Gen2 fiasco it’s not a good look.

[187911]

187911-

For someone who complains about “whining” you’re whining incessantly.

As far as this not being a product introduction, go back and watch the video again. At 52 seconds the Firearm Guy says “this is an introduction video”.

If you read my post, I’m not criticizing the offering, I’m criticizing introducing a half-baked pistol in a segment crowded with competition. Given Kahr’s Gen2 fiasco it’s not a good look.

You can say I'm "whining." I an fine with that. I'm fining with whining about others who are bashing Kahr for finally offering something new, and for having the audacity to send an unfinished prototype to a YouTuber and not forcing them to sign a NDA unlike most other manufacturers would have made them do. It's called transparency. All manufacturers are at the point at one time or another where they have prototypes for evaluation. It's nothing new. Again, there's nothing "half baked" about it. It has popular features other modern handguns have and buyers want with the exclusive Kahr trigger system. I'm not sure why that passes you off and upsets you. Seems like you just want to bash Kahr and be upset for the sake of it. You don't really have a valid argument. You're upset because Kahr came out with an unfinished prototype, because they included features the overwhelming majority of consumers want, and because they had the audacity to release something new. Makes absolutely zero sense to bash Kahr over this. You might not be interested any any changes or updates to Kahr's line, but many others are.

You failed to answer my question. Where is Kahr's competition for a striker-fired 6lb DAO trigger system? I'll wait for your answer.


Glock, HK, Ruger, S&W, Sig, Springfield, etc does NOT offer an alternative for Kahr. Glock, S&W, Springfield, CZ, Taurus, Ruger, Walther, etc offers single stack striker-fired 9mms. Why have you went with a Kahr over those options?

[Barth]

I've been dreaming of a K45 Elite Commander for years and years...
Would love an all stainless single stack about the same size as my Dan Wesson V-Bob.

As for break in, my MK40 Elite was so tight out of the box field stripping was a real challenge.
And FTF on FMJs were common and a major disappointment for the first 200 rounds.
Think I paid over $800 NIB and was not particular happy :(
But I kept the faith, kept shooting and cleaning until things smoothed out.
Now it runs like a swiss watch and is a keeper.

Even if my dream K45 Elite Commander required a break in?
I'd still buy one without hesitation.

We have been teased by the prospect of new Kahr guns before with no joy.
With concealed carry, and in particular pocket carry, size does matter.
With me even slightly larger dimensions are often unwanted.
Usually I don't like extended mags as an example.

With respect to this particular Kahr offering?
A double stack OR sub-compact?
My VP9SK Holosun SCS already runs 12+1 with flush mags
https://i.imgur.com/AoYrB6M.jpg

[187911]

I agree for the most part. I don't understand where folks think Kahr is going out of business. I think they are doing just fine. Have to remember they are very much multifaceted, lots of brands under the Kahr umbrella. Perhaps Kahr isn't doing as well as they'd like or maybe they are right where they want to be for the moment. I agree the new potential offering adds some plus's for many. Maybe not so much for others, that's the way it will always be.
I certainly wouldn't be thinking of writing off Kahr, I think they'll be around a lot longer than most of us for sure.

The fact is per law, manufacturers must send product numbers to the ATF. Kahr's product numbers have been embarrassingly low. I agree that they have other products that keep the company afloat and sell better, but Kahr only sells an embarrassing low number of firearms annually while other manufacturers are selling hundreds of thousands if not millions. Kahr is only selling 10 or so thousand. That's not sustainable. We should be applauding and supporting Kahr for FINALLY bringing something new to market sense their polymer PM line back in 2000 (24 years ago) instead of bashing and tearing them down. Times have changed. Kahe either changes either the times or the Kahr line will go out oglf business. I starting to believe some would rather Kahr go out of business than evolve or offer anything new or different.

[187911]

I've been dreaming of a K45 Elite Commander for years and years...
Would love an all stainless single stack about the same size as my Dan Wesson V-Bob.

As for break in, my MK40 Elite was so tight out of the box field stripping was a real challenge.
And FTF on FMJs were common and a major disappointment for the first 200 rounds.
Think I paid over $800 NIB and was not particular happy :(
But I kept the faith, kept shooting and cleaning until things smoothed out.
Now it runs like a swiss watch and is a keeper.

Even if my dream K45 Elite Commander required a break in?
I'd still buy one without hesitation.

We have been teased by the prospect of new Kahr guns before with no joy.
With concealed carry, and in particular pocket carry, size does matter.
With me even slightly larger dimensions are often unwanted.
Usually I don't like extended mags as an example.

With respect to this particular Kahr offering?
A double stack OR sub-compact?
My VP9SK Holosun SCS already runs 12+1 with flush mags
https://i.imgur.com/AoYrB6M.jpg

The single stack 9mm market has also been flooded for decades. Why do you own any single stack Kahr's in that case? You should sell all of your Kahrs because the Ruger LC9/EC9, M&P Shield, Walther PPS, Springfield XDS, Taurus G2s, Glock 43/48, Mossberg MC1sc, Bersa BP9CC, CZ P-10M, Diamondback DB9, so on and so forth all have 6+1 or 7+1 capability. Why own any Kahrs is all these options have the same exact capability?

[Barth]

The single stack 9mm market has also been flooded for decades. Why do you own any single stack Kahr's in that case?

I don't own any single stack 9mm Kahr.
The only Kahr I own is an MK40 bought for pocket carry.
Pocket carry is where I feel single stack guns rule.

Double stack OR guns IMHO are for belt carry.
They do seem to be the next big thing though.
I just already have one :)

[187911]

I don't own any single stack 9mm Kahr.
The only Kahr I own is an MK40 bought for pocket carry.
Pocket carry is where I feel single stack guns rule.


Maybe Kahr should just go out of business then and not sell anything because Glock, S&W, Ruger, Sig, and other manufacturers already have everything cover?

[Barth]

The single stack 9mm market has also been flooded for decades. Why do you own any single stack Kahr's in that case? You should sell all of your Kahrs because the Ruger LC9/EC9, M&P Shield, Walther PPS, Springfield XDS, Taurus G2s, Glock 43/48, Mossberg MC1sc, Bersa BP9CC, CZ P-10M, Diamondback DB9, so on and so forth all have 6+1 or 7+1 capability. Why own any Kahrs is all these options have the same exact capability?

I do own Ruger LC9s Pro, Walther PPS, Glock G27, HK P30SK, VP9SK and so forth???

The only Kahr I own is a MK40 Elite.
Being a DOA only 40 S&W all stainless sub compact single stack it's kind of unique :)

[187911]

I do own Ruger LC9s Pro, Walther PPS, Glock G27, HK P30SK, VP9SK and so forth???

For what? Why own a PPS and LC9s when they have the same capacity or a G27, P30sk, VP9, etc when they all have similar capacity? Using everyone's logic, there should be only one or two manufacturers that offer a single stack or double stack offering, and no other manufacturer should need to offer anything.

Only two at most manufacturers should ever exist right? I'm not even sure why you purchase a VP9 when several alternatives with similar capacity already exist before the VP9 came to market. HK should not have even wasted time coming up with the VP9, and you could have just purchased a M&P subcompact instead.

[Barth]

For what? Why own a PPS and LC9s when they have the same capacity or a G27, P30sk, VP9, etc when they all have similar capacity? Using everyone's logic, there should be only one or two manufacturers that offer a single stack or double stack offering, and no other manufacturer should need to offer anything.

No they don't.
And I'm tiring of arguing with you.
Off to the Ignore List where you belong :p

[187911]

No they don't.
And I'm tiring of arguing with you.
Off to the Ignore List where you belong :p

You don't have a logical argument even if you wanted to argue. The same exact reason why you all choose a single stack Kahr over the plethora of other single stacks alternatives is the exact same reason why many will choose and prefer a double stack Kahr.

[Bawanna]

Give peace a chance. Don't make me come down and separate yall. Sheeesh.

[King Rat]

Lol, I love to see the amazing Jealousy that comes from the Anti Kahr crowd. The Anti Post are not worth listening to. Just a waste of time. They come across like Liberal Whiners. Again at this point I am looking forward to seeing and hopefully Shooting the New Double stack. Not sure I will buy one as I love my Present Kahr's. Don't pay attention to the Trolls. Just a waste of time. Justine Moon engineered a product years ago that is loved by many. I have no doubt that when the New Kahr does come out, it will be a huge success. And so glad that it will have the same trigger that I love. That alone is worth the admission price. Long live the King!

PS as the video say's, we will get to see more of it at the shot show. Looking forward to it.

[King Rat]

Yeah, I have no use for handgun rails.
My new S9 has that feature, but I’ll never hang anything on it.

I like the pistol better than my old CW9 because of the nicer sights, front slide serrations, and the $218 price tag. 

You mentioned on another thread that your S9 has not arrived yet. Where did you order from? Thanks (Still thinking about getting one. I also like the front serrations. among other things)

[DavidR]

You can say I'm "whining." I an fine with that. I'm fining with whining about others who are bashing Kahr for finally offering something new, and for having the audacity to send an unfinished prototype to a YouTuber and not forcing them to sign a NDA unlike most other manufacturers would have made them do. It's called transparency. All manufacturers are at the point at one time or another where they have prototypes for evaluation. It's nothing new. Again, there's nothing "half baked" about it. It has popular features other modern handguns have and buyers want with the exclusive Kahr trigger system. I'm not sure why that passes you off and upsets you. Seems like you just want to bash Kahr and be upset for the sake of it. You don't really have a valid argument. You're upset because Kahr came out with an unfinished prototype, because they included features the overwhelming majority of consumers want, and because they had the audacity to release something new. Makes absolutely zero sense to bash Kahr over this. You might not be interested any any changes or updates to Kahr's line, but many others are.

You failed to answer my question. Where is Kahr's competition for a striker-fired 6lb DAO trigger system? I'll wait for your answer.


Glock, HK, Ruger, S&W, Sig, Springfield, etc does NOT offer an alternative for Kahr. Glock, S&W, Springfield, CZ, Taurus, Ruger, Walther, etc offers single stack striker-fired 9mms. Why have you went with a Kahr over those options?

I can’t cite specific competition for Kahr’s single stack double action trigger system - probably because other manufacturers don’t want to sell “embarrassingly low” numbers of guns because of a trigger system that very few customers are interested in.

I still don’t understand why you’re railing against me. I don’t recall criticizing Kahr for introducing a new product nor for the features that product may have. In fact, in other threads I’ve criticized Kahr for not doing that (and I’ve been bashed by guys like King Rat for doing so). I’m criticizing Kahr, after their Gen2 debacle, for introducing a gun with features that don’t yet exist, even in prototype form. Anybody can talk about what they’re going to do without actually doing it.

I went with Kahr over other single stack offerings because in some cases the Kahr offering is smaller/slimmer.

[JohnR]

Why do companies keep offering different variations of 1911s? Isn’t the all-steel single action single stack .45 a saturated market? Asking for a friend.

[DavidR]

Why do companies keep offering different variations of 1911s? Isn’t the all-steel single action single stack .45 a saturated market? Asking for a friend.
Brand loyalty

[BirdsThaWord]

Deleted (trust me, you don’t even want to know) :confused::der:

[Barth]

Give peace a chance. Don't make me come down and separate yall. Sheeesh.

No worries Colonel.
Not my first rodeo.
Troll Control (Ignore List) engaged - LOL!
Problem Solved :)
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[kenemoore]

Why do companies keep offering different variations of 1911s? Isn’t the all-steel single action single stack .45 a saturated market? Asking for a friend.

There is always competition at the entry level. Tisas is the owner of that, today. Almost everyone has seen a 1911 on TV, movie or internet. The trigger is legendary. I know folks that bought one, just for the range. People that carry a 1911 are the other end of the market. We want something with bells and whistles, and VERY dependable. So there is always a market for the fancier models as well.

On an aside: I wish someone sold a very small pickup truck in the USA. I don't want a 75,000 USD, 3500 dually. I want something like the Ford Courier, or Chevy LUV of the 80's. Small, haul some trash, maybe some garden stuff, less than 20k in price. I wish there was as wide a selection in trucks as there is in pistols. I know Ford has the Maverick, and Hyunda has one too. But they are both 4 seaters. Too big.

[berettabone]

There is always competition at the entry level. Tisas is the owner of that, today. Almost everyone has seen a 1911 on TV, movie or internet. The trigger is legendary. I know folks that bought one, just for the range. People that carry a 1911 are the other end of the market. We want something with bells and whistles, and VERY dependable. So there is always a market for the fancier models as well.

On an aside: I wish someone sold a very small pickup truck in the USA. I don't want a 75,000 USD, 3500 dually. I want something like the Ford Courier, or Chevy LUV of the 80's. Small, haul some trash, maybe some garden stuff, less than 20k in price. I wish there was as wide a selection in trucks as there is in pistols. I know Ford has the Maverick, and Hyunda has one too. But they are both 4 seaters. Too big. I'll go along with that. I'd buy one in a minute, especially if it was 4 wheel drive.

[340pd]

I like the thought of a double stack Kahr because I liked the trigger system which was similar to my revolvers and I love the mag interchangeability with other firearms. I am questioning the rail, the taller sights which can get hung up on pockets and clothing, and the very short grip.
As the owner of a couple P365's, I recently bought one of the Wilson grip modules in the P365 XL version as opposed to the shorter standard Wilson module I have in my other 365. For some reason the feel is not the same as using the shorter grip with an extended magazine.

https://wilsoncombat.com/accessories/parts-for-other-models/parts-for-sig-sauer/wcp365-grip-modules.html

[Armybrat]

Give peace a chance. Don't make me come down and separate yall. Sheeesh.

Yeah, enough of the bickering….

[getsome]

No kidding, if I wanted to hear beaching I’d go ask the wife something………Now about pickup trucks, my 2002 Silverado is still running good with 245,000 miles and I like the size of it but compared with my sons 2021 GMC it’s a mid size truck, I don’t know if I could deal with a truck the size of his at my age and just trying to climb up into it is a chore so I’m thinking about either putting a motor in mine or going smaller…..My mechanic has a 2022 Chevrolet Colorado Z71 4x4 with the diesel engine and loves it, says it’s the best vehicle he’s ever owned so now I’m thinking hard about one…….I still miss my first ever pickup, a 76 Toyota 4 banger that I drove hard and put up wet many times and I bet that old rusty truck is still out there somewhere on the road, still working……….

[JohnR]

I hear the only trucks worth getting today are Toyotas. I’d love to have a 4runner, it’d be the last vehicle I’d ever buy. Pricey, though.

[Armybrat]

Loved my basic 1991 S-10 pickup that looked just like this one.
I drove it for 10 years before passing it on to one of my sons who used it as a work truck until he upgraded to a full size.
Kept my old sawed-off H&R Topper 12 gauge in a floor mounted rack behind the seat.

[jeepster09]

We all know REAL GUNS come in 45ACP. :behindsofa:

[jeepster09]

One gun fast becoming a FAVORITE CARRY is my Sig P227 :amflag:

[yqtszhj]

I hear the only trucks worth getting today are Toyotas. I’d love to have a 4runner, it’d be the last vehicle I’d ever buy. Pricey, though.

Buy a 2023 or earlier. Toyota I feel is gonna screw everything by reducing engine size and putting turbos on everything just to make the gubment happy. Just google about Toyota’s V8 being replaced by their turbo charged V6 for an example of what I mean.

I’ve only owned Toyota’s for 18 years now and I’m disappointed to no end. But at least I Still have the wife’s 2012 4Runner with 80k and my 2006 tundra with 162k though. Just had to replace the rack and pinion on the tundra but I guess that’s not too bad being the only serious maintenance that has been done to it in 18 years. I replaced the valve cover gaskets myself too just to fix leaks. Hope I’m good on vehicles until it’s time to check out but I guess we’ll see.

[yqtszhj]

Kept my old sawed-off H&R Topper 12 gauge in a floor mounted rack behind the seat.

I like that. My next project is to figure out how to mount an AR behind the rear seat of my truck.

[Barth]

I hear the only trucks worth getting today are Toyotas. I’d love to have a 4runner, it’d be the last vehicle I’d ever buy. Pricey, though.

Bought a 1988 4x4 Toyota pickup with a I4 & 5sp manual and just over 100K on the clock from a coworker.
Drove the wheels off of it up to just over 389K and finally let it go...

2013 I sent three Toyota dealers emails that I wanted their rock bottom price on a
new black standard cab 4x4 Taco with I4 & 5 sp manual.
Told all three what was going on and that the lowest price gets the sale :p
Got the new truck for $20,322 tax, tag and license (Out the Door)!
I'm still driving that bad boy today and loving it! :cool:
https://i.imgur.com/zdAlFXe.jpg

[Bawanna]

Loved my basic 1991 S-10 pickup that looked just like this one.
I drove it for 10 years before passing it on to one of my sons who used it as a work truck until he upgraded to a full size.
Kept my old sawed-off H&R Topper 12 gauge in a floor mounted rack behind the seat.

I had one of them S10's only mine was a extra cab. Had a V6, thing hauled the mail. Also still have the Topper, wish I still had the truck. I kind of been half way looking at newer vans, mine is a 2000, I like it even though it's a Ford and it hasn't given me any grief. Would like a GMC or a Mercedes with the biggest motors they offer. The price make sticker shock an complete understatement. Even used a few years around the 30,000 mark. That's a lot of loot and payments probably beyond my expiration date.

[JohnR]

Buy a 2023 or earlier. Toyota I feel is gonna screw everything by reducing engine size and putting turbos on everything just to make the gubment happy. Just google about Toyota’s V8 being replaced by their turbo charged V6 for an example of what I mean.

I’ve only owned Toyota’s for 18 years now and I’m disappointed to no end. But at least I Still have the wife’s 2012 4Runner with 80k and my 2006 tundra with 162k though. Just had to replace the rack and pinion on the tundra but I guess that’s not too bad being the only serious maintenance that has been done to it in 18 years. I replaced the valve cover gaskets myself too just to fix leaks. Hope I’m good on vehicles until it’s time to check out but I guess we’ll see.
That’s my fear, Toyota will screw up the 4Runner with a hybrid or turbo, or worse yet, replace it with a new model that’ll be turbo/hybrid. It may be fine in the long run, but I like a sure bet.

I have four more years till I plan to buy, so I may end up with a used one or something else entirely.

[Barth]

That’s my fear, Toyota will screw up the 4Runner with a hybrid or turbo, or worse yet, replace it with a new model that’ll be turbo/hybrid. It may be fine in the long run, but I like a sure bet.

I have four more years till I plan to buy, so I may end up with a used one or something else entirely.

Wow, I just checked the Toyota website and the base truck only comes turbocharged?!?!?
No standard cab or manual transmission option.
And an MSRP of $31,500!

That's not a hard no.
That's a Hell No :mad:

[yqtszhj]

Wow, I just check the Toyota website and the base truck only comes turbocharged?!?!?
No standard cab or manual transmission option.
And an MSRP of $31,500!

That's not a hard no.
That's a Hell No :mad:

Im with you on that. Thing is that 2013 you have will run forever.

[tokuno]

2013 I sent three Toyota dealers emails that I wanted their rock bottom price on a
new black standard cab 4x4 Taco with I4 & 5 sp manual.
Told all three what was going on and that the lowest price gets the sale :p
Got the new truck for $20,322 tax, tag and license (Out the Door)!
I'm still driving that bad boy today and loving it! :cool:

A buddy of mine did that with a Sienna back in 2018ish. Knocked the price down about 25% over dealer's initial offer.
But those days are over, at least for now. Toyotas are a seller's market.
My wife wanted a new Toyota Sienna in 2021, so we visited the only local dealer offering "just" MSRP, as compared to all the others that were tacking on significant surcharges.
No negotiation possible; take it or leave it.
We were on the waiting list for over two years, got the call beginning of this month. "Here's the price. If you don't want it, we'll return your deposit, because we have a line of people waiting to buy it."
Toyota Financing 0.0% APR is a distant fantasy. They offered us 9+%, so we wrote a check. Yay, inflation.:mad: It was a shade under $55k.

[kenemoore]

Funny, just read an article about Toyota developing a new truck for 3rd World countries, because the basic Hilux was getting too expensive.
New truck is based on HiLux, I4, 5 spd manual, 2 wheel drive, with no extended cab, no air bags, no anti-lock brakes, no AC, no radio. Comes with a basic flat bed on the back, much cheaper than a standard bed, no tailgate, no fender, etc. Base price is expected to be around 10,000 USD. Will never be available in the USA. I would be interested ;)

https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/nz6-1288-6548f9af742e9.jpg?resize=980:*

[Barth]

Funny, just read an article about Toyota developing a new truck for 3rd World countries, because the basic Hilux was getting too expensive.
New truck is based on HiLux, I4, 5 spd manual, 2 wheel drive, with no extended cab, no air bags, no anti-lock brakes, no AC, no radio. Comes with a basic flat bed on the back, much cheaper than a standard bed, no tailgate, no fender, etc. Base price is expected to be around 10,000 USD. Will never be available in the USA. I would be interested ;)

https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/nz6-1288-6548f9af742e9.jpg?resize=980:*

That would sell like hotcakes in the U.S.
I would be interested as well...

[tokuno]

Funny, just read an article about Toyota developing a new truck for 3rd World countries, because the basic Hilux was getting too expensive.
New truck is based on HiLux, I4, 5 spd manual, 2 wheel drive, with no extended cab, no air bags, no anti-lock brakes, no AC, no radio. Comes with a basic flat bed on the back, much cheaper than a standard bed, no tailgate, no fender, etc. Base price is expected to be around 10,000 USD. Will never be available in the USA. I would be interested ;)

https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/nz6-1288-6548f9af742e9.jpg?resize=980:*

I'd buy one in a heartbeat, but the snarky question that popped to mind was, "I wonder if they reinforce the bed for the machine gun or rocket-launcher mount".

[yqtszhj]

Funny, just read an article about Toyota developing a new truck for 3rd World countries, because the basic Hilux was getting too expensive.
New truck is based on HiLux, I4, 5 spd manual, 2 wheel drive, with no extended cab, no air bags, no anti-lock brakes, no AC, no radio. Comes with a basic flat bed on the back, much cheaper than a standard bed, no tailgate, no fender, etc. Base price is expected to be around 10,000 USD. Will never be available in the USA. I would be interested ;)

https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/nz6-1288-6548f9af742e9.jpg?resize=980:*

If you live in the correct state of the USA I bet you could buy one overseas and have it shipped here and register it. Even with shipping I bet it would still be worth it.

[Barth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWUJ1TSxrq8

[King Rat]

Just comparing a few guns. I think accessory rail is starting on a lot of the smaller guns. HK, Sig Xmacro GX4 Carry, and others.

HKVPSK

https://i.imgur.com/1gTByXl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/9mFxCWH.jpg

GX4 CARRY
https://i.imgur.com/KfP962K.jpg

[getsome]

Funny, just read an article about Toyota developing a new truck for 3rd World countries, because the basic Hilux was getting too expensive.
New truck is based on HiLux, I4, 5 spd manual, 2 wheel drive, with no extended cab, no air bags, no anti-lock brakes, no AC, no radio. Comes with a basic flat bed on the back, much cheaper than a standard bed, no tailgate, no fender, etc. Base price is expected to be around 10,000 USD. Will never be available in the USA. I would be interested ;)

https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/nz6-1288-6548f9af742e9.jpg?resize=980:*

It’s called the Tacoma RPG

[King Rat]

Just comparing a few guns. I think accessory rail is starting on a lot of the smaller guns. HK, Sig Xmacro GX4 Carry, and others.

HKVPSK

https://i.imgur.com/1gTByXl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/9mFxCWH.jpg

GX4 CARRY
https://i.imgur.com/KfP962K.jpg

The S9 could very well be one of the best values now sold, at around $200. Not interested in a RD. Forward serrations, nice size. total quality. Not interested in mega rounds.

https://i.imgur.com/waXGxJy.jpg

[JohnR]

Smith & Wesson proves that we doofuses in the peanut gallery don’t know diddly squat about that will sell and what won’t.


https://www.smith-wesson.com/1854

Who saw that coming?

[King Rat]

Personally I think the new Trend is Lever Actions, 1911's, even more capacity Micro 9mm's, large 380's and 10mm's.

[JohnR]

In other words, fewer "weapons of war." LOL. Maybe they know something we don't :der:

[kenemoore]

It is hard to beat a lever action rifle for dependability. I have a Winchester 30-30, that I bought in High School. (Could not afford a .30-06). Never had an issue of any kind. Still works like new today. The Henry line, has led the way, now everyone wants a piece of their market. I admit, I would not mind having a lever action .410, but can't justify buying a Henry, maybe S&W will help me out.

[tokuno]

Personally I think the new Trend is Lever Actions, 1911's, even more capacity Micro 9mm's, large 380's and 10mm's.

Wasn't considering trends, but come to think of it, that seems a good summation of a lot of chatter on various forums, except for the 10mm part. But that's probably because 10mm discussions go whooshing right past me for lack of my interest. Confirmation bias (or actually ignorance bias) on my part.

[King Rat]

Always regretted not getting a lever action. But after moving back east there was not really a need for one as we use nothing but shotguns for Deer, Turkey etc. Do have a Henry 22. Octoagon which I love. A lever action center fire may be in my future. Not sure which caliber. IMO one of the coolest firearms ever made. Personally I find AR's on the boring side.

[Barth]

Growing up watching The Rifleman, I've always wanted a lever action gun.
Just never scratched that itch...
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[Armybrat]

Gave my 1968 production jm-stamped Marlin .30-30 to my son decades ago….

[Bawanna]

I always liked lever guns myself. Have a few. With my Henry 22 Golden Boy I got for Christmas we now have the wife's Henry 22, my Henry 45/70 and a few Winchesters. I like my Big Bore 94 375. Bought it used in an earlier life, it's still mint. Haven't shot it in years but I know it's there. Carried it Elk hunting when I was beating the brush.
My son just got the above mentioned Henry 410 a week ago. I haven't even seen it in person yet but it looks sweet. With the new draconian laws around here it took him a month to get it, from ordering to waiting to losing the paper. He wasn't happy.

[fsilber]

The single stack 9mm market has also been flooded for decades. Why do you own any single stack Kahr's in that case? You should sell all of your Kahrs because the Ruger LC9/EC9, M&P Shield, Walther PPS, Springfield XDS, Taurus G2s, Glock 43/48, Mossberg MC1sc, Bersa BP9CC, CZ P-10M, Diamondback DB9, so on and so forth all have 6+1 or 7+1 capability. Why own any Kahrs is all these options have the same exact capability?

The reason I prefer Kahr over competing single-stack pistols:

A barrel at least a quarter-inch longer for any slide length.

Flatter profile (0.9" wide as compared to 1.0" to 1.1" wide)

A trigger designed for self-defense rather than gun games.
* Enough weight but not too much so as not be accused of risking the public with a "hair trigger."
* Smooth with no stacking for a straight-through trigger pull.
*** Because your finger is off the trigger until you decide to shoot -- and then you need to shoot RIGHT NOW!
*** So the "surprise trigger break" helps you avoid flinching (the main reason trained people miss to lose gunfights).

At any size:
** There is no gun as concealable that is as easy to shoot well.
** There is no gun as easy to shoot well that is as concealable.

[Armybrat]

Same here.
Plus a quality firearm with clean lines and no junk hanging all over the slide.

I was always pleased how “soft shooting” my CW45 was before gifting it to my son. It’s his EDC now.

[djd100]

The reason I prefer Kahr over competing single-stack pistols:

A barrel at least a quarter-inch longer for any slide length.

Flatter profile (0.9" wide as compared to 1.0" to 1.1" wide)

A trigger designed for self-defense rather than gun games.
* Enough weight but not too much so as not be accused of risking the public with a "hair trigger."
* Smooth with no stacking for a straight-through trigger pull.
*** Because your finger is off the trigger until you decide to shoot -- and then you need to shoot RIGHT NOW!
*** So the "surprise trigger break" helps you avoid flinching (the main reason trained people miss to lose gunfights).

At any size:
** There is no gun as concealable that is as easy to shoot well.
** There is no gun as easy to shoot well that is as concealable.

Agreed, and besides conceal-ability, it's the comfort while concealed for me (in tight bucket seats etc).

[DavidR]

Kahr did announce that the X9 will be at Shot Show. Hopefully we’ll see the new magazine and trigger.

https://www.kahr.com/kahr-firearms-group-new-product-lineup-for-shot-show-2024/

[Armybrat]

Kahr did announce that the X9 will be at Shot Show. Hopefully we’ll see the new magazine and trigger.

https://www.kahr.com/kahr-firearms-group-new-product-lineup-for-shot-show-2024/

A poster who is a gun dealer I know on a Texas sports board is at the Shot Show. I suggested he check out the Kahr booth if he had time.
Dunno if he will, as he’s primarily a rifle & shotgun guy.

[DavidR]

https://youtu.be/f3r5J2ufLmM?si=e1GRi2my6vGzeQaW

$550 MSRP
At about 45 seconds in the mag falls out of the gun

[Armybrat]

https://youtu.be/f3r5J2ufLmM?si=e1GRi2my6vGzeQaW

$550 MSRP
At about 45 seconds in the mag falls out of the gun
Saw that. Lol

[King Rat]

Be nice to see the gun without the Big ugly ass Red Dot on it. And not all Black. I am guessing the finished product will take about another year before sales.

[Armybrat]

Be nice to see the gun without the Big ugly ass Red Dot on it. And not all Black.

Agree.

[djd100]

I think the serial plate should go back like it used to be under the barrel. Can't really put it inside. LE has to be able to see it. I had a couple guns stolen from me close to 50 years ago, I still carry the serial numbers in my wallet and when I see one like at a range I try to get a look just to check. I know where they ended up but that's a long story.

If you use the rail and cover the serial number you might get hassled in the field, if a LEO wants to check your weapon's serial number against your permit (at least it's that way in the PRK where I am, i.e. the People's Republik of Kalifornia). I'll get one if they make a PRK legal version (LCI, MDM, and Safety), or if I can get one from a LEO.

That said, I love it as a slightly longer barrel is easy to conceal IMO, with the shorter PM9-like grip also being easier to conceal, and also importantly more comfortable in tight bucket seats (IWB @ 3:30).

All of that said, will it ever make it to production in my lifetime LOL?

[djd100]

Rails can be disappeared/smoothed for draw with the right light. No, this one does not have rails, but gets the smooth point across. I don’t want to be trying to hold/fumble with a flashlight in my other hand in a night time situation.
20574

Agreed, rail is a good thing for laser or light. My EDC PM9 with laser is also quite smooth and easy to draw and re-holster.

https://i.postimg.cc/VN1FrQc7/SlideLockMagNormal.jpg (https://postimg.cc/rDn43HsW)

[djd100]

So, my worthless opinion on gun lights. Never point a pistol at anything you don't want to kill. Unless, it's a pistol with a light. Help me out here. I always carry a light, but not on my pistol.

Modern pistol lights are bright enough to illuminate without muzzle'ing someone (point it down or to the side etc, plus the light's hot spot can be used for targeting), and then there's the all important "trigger control" as well.

[djd100]

Before Glock came out with the G42, Glock owners lamented for years about the need for a single stack. Just goes to show that we tend to want what we don't have.



Same here so far as the dog goes. We have two Shepherds, and I count on them to give me a chance to wake up and get my wits about me before having to take on intruders. I do have a light and laser on my HD gun though. I don't have to use it, and probably wouldn't need to if things when down real quick. But if you do it's important to remember to turn it off quickly, and then move away. Mine's has a momentary switch option, so that makes it easier. And I don't want to shoot one of my dogs :)

Agreed (one Shepherd here and a light/laser/RDS on my modded CZ SP01 for the nightstand).

[Bawanna]

If you use the rail and cover the serial number you might get hassled in the field, if a LEO wants to check your weapon's serial number against your permit (at least it's that way in the PRK where I am, i.e. the People's Republik of Kalifornia). I'll get one if they make a PRK legal version (LCI, MDM, and Safety), or if I can get one from a LEO.

That said, I love it as a slightly longer barrel is easy to conceal IMO, with the shorter grip also being easier to conceal, and also importantly more comfortable in tight bucket seats (IWB @ 3:30).

All of that said, will it ever make it to production in my lifetime LOL?

Usually whatever you hang on the rail, comes off easily and would expose the serial number. Most just push a button etc and off comes the light, laser etc. At least everything I've seen.

[Armybrat]

A poster who is a gun dealer I know on a Texas sports board is at the Shot Show. I suggested he check out the Kahr booth if he had time.
Dunno if he will, as he’s primarily a rifle & shotgun guy.
That guy checked the X9 out and commented….

I looked at the kahr for you.

Looks like a khar. Trigger is awful, just awful.

I’d never buy one but I know that’s your fetish.

[King Rat]

That guy checked the X9 out and commented….

I looked at the kahr for you.

Looks like a khar. Trigger is awful, just awful.




I’d never buy one but I know that’s your fetish.

Lol, Means absolutely nothing, He say's the trigger is awful. Some guy who most likely has no idea what a great DAO trigger feels like. How many times have you heard some gun rookie or some know it all say the Kahr trigger is awful. Yet the Kahr trigger is notorious for being one the best out there. Just one reason why it has so many fans.

[JohnR]

Yeah, the trigger is our little secret.

[DavidR]

It means he didn’t like the trigger.

[Armybrat]

Lol, Means absolutely nothing, He say's the trigger is awful. Some guy who most likely has no idea what a great DAO trigger feels like. How many times have you heard some gun rookie or some know it all say the Kahr trigger is awful. Yet the Kahr trigger is notorious for being one the best out there. Just one reason why it has so many fans.
Yep, I took his assessment with a grain of salt.
It was interesting to see his photo with the magazine fully inserted.
I don’t care for any optics to be mounted on the top of the slide though.

[187911]

You go on GlockTalk, SigTalk, HKPro, YouTube, etc, you'll find striker-fired lovers who will claim the Kahr trigger is the worst trigger on the market. There are debates on GlockTalk, HKPro, and other forums about how DA/SA triggers are terrible because the first trigger pull is too long and inconsistent with the following pulls. The HK DA/SA trigger debates typically happen when someone ask about the LEM trigger vs the DA/SA trigger. There are many who hate revolver because of their trigger who will claim that even the best revolver trigger is terrible. Take it all with a grain of salt. Most people nowadays think any trigger that isn't a 3lb aftermarket striker-fired trigger with a loud 1mm reset isn't worth owning. That's because they can't hit the broad side of a barn without a competition/target type trigger. They blame the gun instead of their skill level. All in all this is one of the main reasons why so many people are having negligent discharges with Glocks, P320s, and other striker-fired pistols, and we almost never hear the same happenings with revolvers or DAO/SA triggers.



Prime example from 4 months ago:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=m-z4Xc5zsoI

[Armybrat]

Agreed.

[getsome]

Yep, ^^^^ what he said…..I pocket carry my PM9 and never have to worry about the trigger and getting a big hole where one shouldn’t be

[djd100]

Usually whatever you hang on the rail, comes off easily and would expose the serial number. Most just push a button etc and off comes the light, laser etc. At least everything I've seen.

Yeah, but if it's a laser you lose zero.

[djd100]

You go on GlockTalk, SigTalk, HKPro, YouTube, etc, you'll find striker-fired lovers who will claim the Kahr trigger is the worst trigger on the market. There are debates on GlockTalk, HKPro, and other forums about how DA/SA triggers are terrible because the first trigger pull is too long and inconsistent with the following pulls. The HK DA/SA trigger debates typically happen when someone ask about the LEM trigger vs the DA/SA trigger. There are many who hate revolver because of their trigger who will claim that even the best revolver trigger is terrible. Take it all with a grain of salt. Most people nowadays think any trigger that isn't a 3lb aftermarket striker-fired trigger with a loud 1mm reset isn't worth owning. That's because they can't hit the broad side of a barn without a competition/target type trigger. They blame the gun instead of their skill level. All in all this is one of the main reasons why so many people are having negligent discharges with Glocks, P320s, and other striker-fired pistols, and we almost never hear the same happenings with revolvers or DAO/SA triggers.



Prime example from 4 months ago:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=m-z4Xc5zsoI

Yep!

[DavidR]

People who disparage the Kahr trigger are really saying that they don’t like a smooth, relatively light (compared to a revolver) DA trigger on a semi auto. For what it is, the Kahr trigger is very nice but it’s not the light, short, crisp trigger that many expect to find in a semi auto.

I don’t think I’d ever carry a DA/SA pistol. In a self defense situation, the first shot is your most important shot and I don’t want that first shot, while under extreme stress, to be a long, heavy pull.

[Barth]

People who disparage the Kahr trigger are really saying that they don’t like a smooth, relatively light (compared to a revolver) DA trigger on a semi auto. For what it is, the Kahr trigger is very nice but it’s not the light, short, crisp trigger that many expect to find in a semi auto.

I don’t think I’d ever carry a DA/SA pistol. In a self defense situation, the first shot is your most important shot and I don’t want that first shot, while under extreme stress, to be a long, heavy pull.

As much as I love my classic Sig DA/SA guns.
With thousands of rounds down range.
I've never been as good with that first DA shot.
Even though I'm pretty good with DA revolvers.
And I can't help but feeling that first shot might well​ be the most important one.
Don't really carry DA/SA guns any more.
Have transitioned to HK LEM and striker fired mostly :)

[Bawanna]

I did some remodels for a couple of retired LA Swat guys that moved up here to Washington. Great guys. Course we talked alot. These guys had been around the block several times. One had more than 200 first entries. Down there to qualify for a first entry there has to be shots fired.
He carried a Smith & Wesson 45. DA/SA. I described the first shot as a cocking shot, usually fired into the floor. He said often times the cocking shot alone convinced the bad guys that he was serious and they would give up.
I don't carry a DA/SA anymore. I do have a Beretta 92 police buy back from my dept, don't recollect that I've even ever shot it.

[JohnR]

Maybe that’s what the DA first shot is for! I’ve been wrong all this time. I’m not supposed to hit anything with it!

[DavidR]

Nice video.
Available in June.
More sizes and maybe calibers to come.

https://youtu.be/ncFmVm0cy-c?si=tQfsFkR6VgiCFTyb

[King Rat]

Much better video. They should have showed the New Recoil Spring. I am sure we are going to see a lot of reviews in the near future. Looking forward to them. Would also like to see the weight.

[JohnR]

Beretta believes in single stack mouseguns. They redesigned the Tomcat to have a muzzle brake, suppressor, and/or red dot. Flat face trigger, 8+1 rounds of the mighty .32.

[King Rat]

Beretta believes in single stack mouseguns. They redesigned the Tomcat to have a muzzle brake, suppressor, and/or red dot. Flat face trigger, 8+1 rounds of the mighty .32.

That will make a great "Assassins" pistol. Quick Pop to the back of the head.
In the meantime, I am quite happy with my very reliable Keltec P32. Only 6 1/2 oz. 10 fully loaded with 8 rounds.

https://i.imgur.com/GqQwcId.jpg?1

[Armybrat]

Kinda miss my early P32 with the hard chrome slide.
Traded it off towards a Ruger Super Blackhawk almost 10 years ago.
It was a reliable & easy little shooter.

[DavidR]

I doubt Kahr will offer the X9 in 32. :cool:

[Bawanna]

Here's my little 32. I had the Browning version also but it got away. (Long Story).

[JohnR]

My only .32 was a Charter Arms Professional. .32 H&R Magnum, 7 rounds, 3” barrel, the perfect frame size. The magnums and .32 S&W were a delight to shoot, I was smitten. But the gun was a POS.

[Barth]

My only .32 ACP Pistol is a Beretta 81 Italian Police Surplus bought for $325 :D
It's one sweet shooter
https://i.imgur.com/rmZnCuO.jpg

[getsome]

I would really be interested in a PM9 sized pistol chambered in .30 Super Carry 8+1……That would be a sweet package in a Kahr pistol….

[Barth]

I want Kahr to produce an all stainless K45 version of this -
https://i.imgur.com/b9AFtS3.jpg?1

[getsome]

Yep, me too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg6BEof2zTI

[King Rat]

Here is a Micro 9mm that is getting great reviews. Posting because very similar to the New Kahr K9. This gun is currently selling below $400. A 12 and 15 round magazine. Turkey is fast changing the Gun world. High quality guns at Budget prices.

Includes:


12 and 15 Round Magazines
(1) Finger Extension Magazine Base Plate
Magazine Loader
Custom Holster
Canik Punch & Tool Kit
Cleaning Brush and Jag Rod
(3) Grip Backstraps
Gun Lock & Manual
Storage Case



https://i.imgur.com/VNVqeyk.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/to1eCVT.jpg

[berettabone]

Half of the people complaining about the Kahr trigger or any trigger shoot less than 200 rds. a year. Spend some actual shooting time with a firearm and you can get used to any trigger unless its pull weight is very heavy. I can take or leave a Kahr trigger. I've always preferred DA/SA. Kahr trigger pulls are too long and not conducive to fast shooting for me. I also have a revolver that has a better trigger, just as smooth and just as light.

[JohnR]

Either that, or they’ve only shot 1911s their whole life and are afraid to blaspheme JMB.

[King Rat]

Half of the people complaining about the Kahr trigger or any trigger shoot less than 200 rds. a year. Spend some actual shooting time with a firearm and you can get used to any trigger unless its pull weight is very heavy. I can take or leave a Kahr trigger. I've always preferred DA/SA. Kahr trigger pulls are too long and not conducive to fast shooting for me. I also have a revolver that has a better trigger, just as smooth and just as light.

Just curious, what revolver has a trigger that is actually better than Kahr? If there is one, Lol, I am sure I can't afford it. What is the Pull weight anyway?

[JohnR]

I would feel safer with my S&W 640 in my pocket than my CM9, due to the slightly heavier trigger.

[Armybrat]

What, no pocket holster?

[yqtszhj]

Just curious, what revolver has a trigger that is actually better than Kahr? If there is one, Lol, I am sure I can't afford it. What is the Pull weight anyway?

I have a Ruger GP100 I bought slightly used (never looked like it was fired) that has a trigger that is in my opinion slightly nicer than a Kahr. Smooth as silk, no stacking, and maybe 6 pound pull. But, that goodness is subjective to me, because the trigger is larger and fits my gorilla hand finger better. Plus my CM9 trigger has about a 4 pound pull now and I prefer slightly heavier and about the size of my PM45.

Kinda to what beretta was saying trigger time is the equalizer. I have found if I shoot my H&K P30SK enough which has about the most difficult/ worst trigger of any gun I own, so that I am really proficient with it, I can pick up anything else and shoot it well. I understand most don’t like DA/SA but if one masters that DA/SA transition you have mastered moving that trigger finger and not moving the rest of the hand which is challenging. But, it takes practice, practice, practice, which many may not have the time or money or desire to do.

[King Rat]

I would feel safer with my S&W 640 in my pocket than my CM9, due to the slightly heavier trigger.

It would not bother me either if the Kahr trigger was heavier nor would a safety. I do agree, my LCR's and 642 are great triggers and of course heavier.

[kenemoore]

I grew up on revolvers. Never fired an automatic until I joined the military. Once you have mastered the DA trigger on a revolver, IMHO, you can shoot anything decent. When I was a kid my dad had a circa 1960 something pencil barrel Model 10 S&W. We used to shoot tin cans on the back yard, at least once a month. Then when introduced to the M1911A1. I was like WOW, what a trigger.

[berettabone]

Just curious, what revolver has a trigger that is actually better than Kahr? If there is one, Lol, I am sure I can't afford it. What is the Pull weight anyway? I have an SP101........they come stock with a 14# hammer spring and a 10# trigger spring. Some people like the 10 lb. 10 lb. combo. I have mine with a 9# hammer spring and an 8# trigger spring. About as low as you'd want to go but probably could be a tad lighter without issue depending on ammo. The trigger pull weight is at 7#. Kahrs average weight is at about 6.8#. In single action though, all you have to do is breathe on the trigger. Also had some polishing done inside and a couple hammer shims. While it was apart, it sat in a bath of Slip 2000 and was blown off before reassembly. An acquaintance has a newer model full frame S&W 38 special, and his wife has a J frame 38 special, and I don't remember feeling 2 worse revolver triggers. They would not be ownable/shootable to me without trigger/hammer work. The Ruger SP101 trigger can be very rough out of the box also. Hence the trigger work I had done...................

[ttz]

He said different sizes, different calibers in the future.

Also different trigger options. Shorter reset. Shorter trigger pull.

At 31 minutes:
https://youtu.be/X63bHnsh8P4 (https://youtu.be/X63bHnsh8P4?si=GyCD3IhzQbqRsRnY)

[dao]

What he didn't say was whether or not there will be all steel versions. Now that would be something to consider seriously. Think K9 with a 10+1 capacity. Or, if we want to really dream, a K45 with 8+1?

[jeepster09]

WOW....

I must be in the minority I like the DA/SA triggers on my Sigs. I also like the Wilson Combat Beretta 92 Centurion trigger. In double action mine are all smooth and predictable.

[King Rat]

A couple of other features I did not notice. This will have a take down lever. They also designed the grip to enhance Appendix Carry. Not sure what he meant by Kit to accept YOUR double stack magazines. If this gun does have a MSRP of only $550.00 it will IMO be extremely competitive. That said, I am not interested. I will stick with the KAHR SINGLE STACK. and for sure do not want them to screw up the Great Kahr Trigger.

By the way, You guys that bought the S9 got the best prices. I notice they are few left and the price has risen. :Amflag2:

[Barth]

WOW....

I must be in the minority I like the DA/SA triggers on my Sigs. I also like the Wilson Combat Beretta 92 Centurion trigger. In double action mine are all smooth and predictable.

Minority, but not alone :)
I've got 3 Sig P220 45s, 2 P229 357s and a P239 357.
All have sweet DA triggers :cool:
https://i.imgur.com/m8IowGF.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/wm7umF5.jpg

[berettabone]

I have always preferred DA/SA and will continue to do so. I'm not so sure that's a minority...........

[hardluk1]

Kahrs is 7 years to late with millions of P365 and heck kitty's sold and carried . I was told 9 years ago by there lead engineer they had no interest in a double stack handgun. How many here remember the never to appear for sale long slide lite trigger models . Just one more of kahr fug-ups so will this double stack became just one more costly mistake for them come summer time ?? Don't care if it does specially when the one X9 they show at shot show has limited info and the long trigger pull and not shootable ! At least kahr used an establish mag design this time .

How many of you 3.5 or 4" barrel 45 shooters still use kahr mags not 1911 mags . Only kahr I still have is a ct45 and use the same 8 round mags I have for my lw commander. Gave the other 3 kahr pistols to family members some years ago .

I have no interest in a kahr product or brand under the kahr banner today .

[King Rat]

Lol, you mean YOU can't shoot a DAO. If no interest in a Kahr product then why even come on a Kahr forum? Do you sign up and become a member on all the fourms of guns you do not like? Man, I love the internet.:tongue:

[dao]

I like 'em all, from DA/SA, 1911, and DAO, but mostly hammer fired. But I do like some striker fired triggers too, so long as they have a manual safety (Or a Kahr :) ).
Still amazes me that some folks are squeamish about carrying a 1911 cocked and locked yet buy right into the striker fired glocks, sigs, and others with no manual safety. Some striker triggers are ok. There are NO triggers out there that can compete with a decent 1911's setup. At least not that I've found. But that doesn't mean that everything else is sub-par, they're just different and we can get used to anything. I'm sure there are lots of folks out there that have 14-18lb first shot DA/SA triggers that can outshoot me consistently if not always on that first heavy and long pull. But in general, no matter what the manual of arms, we adapt. And become proficient with whatever we have. That's why there are 8 billion of us on the planet.

[187911]

If it's priced well and Kahr actually gets it in LGS and big box stores around the country instead of their products basically being available online, then they will sell well. Outside of this forum their seems to be excitement and favorable opinions of the new Kahr. All that's left if that it's reliable with no teething issues.

[jeepster09]

WOW....so this forum is about guns? :confused: I thought Kahr was a new competitor to chevy ford dodges etc....just a different type of Cahr. :banplease:

[Bawanna]

Really no need to be a Kahr fan to play here. I could do without a lot of the negativity but that's consistent with most forums I expect. I only play on a couple so not very worldly.

Different strokes for different folks I guess.

[jeepster09]

https://youtu.be/d-diB65scQU?si=NTmyVa8HOJ9rg_z2

[King Rat]

Really no need to be a Kahr fan to play here. I could do without a lot of the negativity but that's consistent with most forums I expect. I only play on a couple so not very worldly.

Different strokes for different folks I guess.

My bad, I always believed this forum was devoted to Kahr fans. Fans that want to learn about different models, common fixes for any issues, ammunition used, Holsters, and on and on. I have used other forums that are not devoted to one brand, that people do bash their favorite gun they love to bash. For example I am not a Glock fan, great guns but just not for me. I would see no reason to get on a Glock forum and just start bashing the product. Sounds stupid IMO. But hey, if the poster wants to come on board and do more bashing, then please do so. I do fine the Post Boring, did not learn a damn thing, but hey, what's a few minutes out of my life? One thing that I would recommend is give a BASHING WARNING before posting. Or perhaps we could have a separate thread specifically for Bashers. We do have a thread where folks can talk about other guns they have bought and love.
Basher lives matter!

By the way, I really liked this video I just found and totally agree with the Youtuber on this particular subject. He is not bashing the new gun, but strictly a opinion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crejzvuEzww

[Bawanna]

Not your bad at all. If this was a new member with very few post, we'd probably give him extradition papers and send him on his way. I've not looked at history as yet but those that have been around awhile deserve a bit of grace.
The majority here like Kahrs (makes sense) but all including yourself mention several other makes and models and that's perfectly ok.
If we changed the name to I like guns, especially Kahrs, I wouldn't be disappointed I don't reckon. Just like gun discussion and other stuff too and maybe 2 people.
Carry on, all is well.

[BirdsThaWord]

I grew up on revolvers. Never fired an automatic until I joined the military. Once you have mastered the DA trigger on a revolver, IMHO, you can shoot anything decent. When I was a kid my dad had a circa 1960 something pencil barrel Model 10 S&W. We used to shoot tin cans on the back yard, at least once a month. Then when introduced to the M1911A1. I was like WOW, what a trigger.
That was my first revolver. I primarily shot it single action. Man, that thing made me look good at the range!

[BirdsThaWord]

By the way, You guys that bought the S9 got the best prices. I notice they are few left and the price has risen. :Amflag2:
Wish I coulda bought 2 of them. I took the slide apart to clean it. It was clean as a whistle. Gun also came pre lubed. Best new Kahr experience I’ve had, on the lowest priced Kahr I’ve ever bought.

[berettabone]

My first revolver was an Astra .357. Shot it once and took it back. Felt like it was going to fall apart in my hand, and it was new. Bought a S&W Model 19 stainless 4" and been hooked ever since.............................

[BirdsThaWord]

Really no need to be a Kahr fan to play here. I could do without a lot of the negativity but that's consistent with most forums I expect. I only play on a couple so not very worldly.

Different strokes for different folks I guess.
You are spot on about other forums. I joined one rather recently and have already wanted to reach through the screen a few times. I had no idea. I thought that all forums would be like this one, where for the extreme most part, everyone is civil, respectful and not argumentative with one another. A ton of snarc on the other forum.

[DavidR]

I propose that we establish forum awards for both fanboy and basher of the month. At least that would keep things lively.

[Barth]

I grew up on revolvers. Never fired an automatic until I joined the military. Once you have mastered the DA trigger on a revolver, IMHO, you can shoot anything decent. When I was a kid my dad had a circa 1960 something pencil barrel Model 10 S&W. We used to shoot tin cans on the back yard, at least once a month. Then when introduced to the M1911A1. I was like WOW, what a trigger.

My first handgun was a S&W 629 4" 44 Mangum Mountain Revolver :eek:
After that everything else seemed easy - LOL!
https://i.imgur.com/Z3ZpGl0.jpg?1

[Bawanna]

You are spot on about other forums. I joined one rather recently and have already wanted to reach through the screen a few times. I had no idea. I thought that all forums would be like this one, where for the extreme most part, everyone is civil, respectful and not argumentative with one another. A ton of snarc on the other forum.

We've had times over the years where we had new members sign up and immediately start really stirring the pot. Some I knew from the first post I didn't like them one bit and wanted dearly to push the button and vaporize them. But that wouldn't be right, so wait and wait till they cross the line which they always do, or in most cases since nobody else likes them neither, they get ignored long enough they just go away.
A few times so bad I told Greg to take the wheel, I had to go away for a bit, but I could never stay away very long, lot of good people and friends I've never met around here. So we march on. Been awhile since we've had bad ones.
Only downfall to being a mod is I can't get into fisticuffs with folks that want to argue dumb stuff. Actually if I recall that's how I became a moderator. Somebody made a comment about me not being one and surprise, surprise, next thing he knows I r one. We can thank JohnH for making that happen.

[dao]

I'm a mod on a motorcycle board Colonel. And I too try to be even-keeled and patient. And so I recognize good moderation when I see it. You do a fine job here. There's always gonna be some who seem to live to push buttons, no matter how patient the mods try to be. Like you said though, eventually they cause their own demise.

[BirdsThaWord]

We've had times over the years where we had new members sign up and immediately start really stirring the pot. Some I knew from the first post I didn't like them one bit and wanted dearly to push the button and vaporize them. But that wouldn't be right, so wait and wait till they cross the line which they always do, or in most cases since nobody else likes them neither, they get ignored long enough they just go away.
A few times so bad I told Greg to take the wheel, I had to go away for a bit, but I could never stay away very long, lot of good people and friends I've never met around here. So we march on. Been awhile since we've had bad ones.
Only downfall to being a mod is I can't get into fisticuffs with folks that want to argue dumb stuff. Actually if I recall that's how I became a moderator. Somebody made a comment about me not being one and surprise, surprise, next thing he knows I r one. We can thank JohnH for making that happen.
Honestly, back when I started, I did not know how these things went. I had a lil tiff with someone. You stepped in with (from what I remember) basically a “let cooler heads prevail” comment. Thanks for that! I realized I was not being level headed. For a while I kept your comment in mind while interacting and then that mindset just kinda got internalized/ingrained. Smooth sailing every since. Except every one in a while you gotta go and chap my hide posting up some grips you made when I can’t get you to make me some. :yell:
Was wondering about Greg a few times. I’ve seen him pop in here and there every great onced in a while, usually with some helpful/deep knowledge comments. I lost where he posted up about a company that can rent you some smithin tools (barrel crowning tool) so may be pm’ing him on that on one of these “projects” soon.

[Bawanna]

Honestly, back when I started, I did not know how these things went. I had a lil tiff with someone. You stepped in with (from what I remember) basically a “let cooler heads prevail” comment. Thanks for that! I realized I was not being level headed. For a while I kept your comment in mind while interacting and then that mindset just kinda got internalized/ingrained. Smooth sailing every since. Except every one in a while you gotta go and chap my hide posting up some grips you made when I can’t get you to make me some. :yell:
Was wondering about Greg a few times. I’ve seen him pop in here and there every great onced in a while, usually with some helpful/deep knowledge comments. I lost where he posted up about a company that can rent you some smithin tools (barrel crowning tool) so may be pm’ing him on that on one of these “projects” soon.

Who said I wouldn't make you some? Hmmmm? I didn't mind a good fisticuff once in awhile, especially if I was in the right which of course is usually the case.
I may have a special set just for you, I'm pondering if I can part with them.

[yqtszhj]

Only downfall to being a mod is I can't get into fisticuffs with folks that want to argue dumb stuff. Actually if I recall that's how I became a moderator. Somebody made a comment about me not being one and surprise, surprise, next thing he knows I r one. We can thank JohnH for making that happen.

We hereby grant you permission to create an alias when you get irritated so you can log in incognito to stir the pot then when you get real ugly you can ban yourself and make things right. That might be the best of both worlds, kinda like spanking yourself for being bad.

[Barth]

We hereby grant you permission to create an alias when you get irritated so you can log in incognito to stir the pot then when you get real ugly you can ban yourself and make things right. That might be the best of both worlds, kinda like spanking yourself for being bad.

Ah yes, the Evil Twin act.
I've blamed endless indiscretions on my Evil Twin :)
That guy can be a real stinker!

[Bawanna]

I've actually done that before. True story.

[yqtszhj]

WOW....

I must be in the minority I like the DA/SA triggers on my Sigs. I also like the Wilson Combat Beretta 92 Centurion trigger. In double action mine are all smooth and predictable.

I love DA/SA. CZ is probably my favorite (they have all had the yqt-azation done to them and the SA is slick as an …… well, I better not say that here). My CZ’s are followed by my late dads Sig P239. Dad sent it to Sig for some “upgrades” a couple of years before he passed and it is smooth. Feels like it has the SRT in it also. I can shoot it well without trying.

[getsome]

I like DA/SA too, my first auto pistol was a S&W 645 .45 which I later traded for the newer, updated Smith 4506 .45 which I kept for many years…..My first gun ever was a S&W .22 revolver my grandmother bought for my 13th birthday so to this day I have a love of Smith revolvers and when the Smith auto pistols came out with a revolver like trigger I had to have one…….Twenty five years later I found the Kahr trigger and fell in love again and went through several before settling on a PM9 which is now part of my daily carry, keys, wallet, knife, flashlight, PM9, good to go…….

If you want to experience arguments and fisticuffs on a forum take a gander at bobistheoilguy.com those guys will come over to your house with friends if you bad mouth the brand of oil filter they are currently using…..They are very SERIOUS about brands of oil…..

For me, if my truck stops leaking in the driveway I know it’s out of oil and time to dump some Wallyworld Supertech in before going to work

[Bawanna]

I carried a Smith 4516 for several years. I liked it, never loved the safety, just wasn't natural.

[JohnR]

I’m still pondering an SP101 in .327, and can’t decide between 3” and 4”. 4” is not in production, but there’s one on GB. 3” models are plentiful. The 3” is drop dead sexy looking, but the 4” can make me a sammich.

[Barth]

I’m still pondering an SP101 in .327, and can’t decide between 3” and 4”. 4” is not in production, but there’s one on GB. 3” models are plentiful. The 3” is drop dead sexy looking, but the 4” can make me a sammich.

I've got revolvers in 4", 3" and ~2" flavors.
The 3" gun is that just right size for me.
The balance is great and it's just perfect for belt carry.
In a pocket though, obviously it's snubbie time.
And for me an air weight of some sort.

[jeepster09]

I vote 3" also, best compromise.

[yqtszhj]

I have a 3 inch GP100 and also recommend the 3 inch.

[berettabone]

http://www.kahrtalk.com/images/icons/icon1.png

[kenemoore]

I don't own a 3" revolver, but I do have a 2.75" Speed Six. Plus a couple of 4" S&W's. I sometimes carry the Speed Six, in a pancake holster. I never carry the 4" revolvers.
So, if you are going to carry, go with the 3", that extra inch makes a big difference. (What she said).

[JohnR]

I have 2", 3", and 4" revolvers. The 2" is a 640, which is perfect for carry. If I had to keep only one of the others, it would be the 4" because I don't want to give up velocity.

[DavidR]

https://www.kahrtalk.com/blob:https://www.kahrtalk.com/15326f42-8c58-4972-a0be-8d2b082d5b7c

[JohnR]

Damn that's nice.

[Barth]

https://i.imgur.com/u1KbrWV.jpg?1

[berettabone]

I’m still pondering an SP101 in .327, and can’t decide between 3” and 4”. 4” is not in production, but there’s one on GB. 3” models are plentiful. The 3” is drop dead sexy looking, but the 4” can make me a sammich. I have Pachmayr's on mine right now, but if you ever need a little bling, and you haven't checked already, check out Chigs grips.

[Armybrat]

I’m still pondering an SP101 in .327, and can’t decide between 3” and 4”. 4” is not in production, but there’s one on GB. 3” models are plentiful. The 3” is drop dead sexy looking, but the 4” can make me a sammich.
My 3” can order a sammich……

[jeepster09]

Hard to beat the SP101.

[jeepster09]

The 2 1/4 makes good carry gun, mild recoil easy concealment.

[Barth]

https://i.imgur.com/qPIeWf1.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/UTuJXUN.jpg

[Armybrat]

Yeah, my short SP .357 is quite a little hoss.
It has been my road trip gun (along with a couple of speedloaders) for the past 20 years.
Isn’t as pretty as yours though.

[JohnR]

I had a 2" SP101 and liked it, then I had to have a 3" SP101 (both .357). Then I tried a 640 and loved the trigger so much I got rid of the SP101s.

Fast forward to today, S&W does make a 3" 6-round J-frame in .327, but it has the compensator at the muzzle, pushing the front sight back so it looks stoooopid, and reducing the effective barrel length to 2.5". I ain't gettin' no fugly gun, even if it does have a good trigger.

[Barth]

Bought my M65-3 used for $525 :cool:
Don't know it's history other than that it was originally sold new in Puerto Rico.
Is highly polished and has a buttery DA/SA trigger.
Points naturally and is perfectly balanced.
Other than a new set of grips, I haven't changed a thing ...
https://i.imgur.com/AF9mn9h.jpg

[jeepster09]

My SP101 has factory? trigger job. It was a special edition that came polished with jeweled trigger and hammer.
Really nice trigger. Here is picture of how it came before grip swap and Big Dot added.

[Barth]

This is my Carry a Lot and Shoot a Little Snubbie.
Was one of S&Ws early forays into Titanium.
Bought it NIB when first released, MSRP I think at over $800 :eek:
I just had to have it - LOL!
Professional Trigger job with an OEM S&W stainless steel trigger.
Plus SX Big Dot front sight and Hogue Bantam grips.

https://i.imgur.com/jKFolHD.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/fYaTJTu.jpg

[BirdsThaWord]

My SP101 has factory? trigger job. It was a special edition that came polished with jeweled trigger and hammer.
Really nice trigger. Here is picture of how it came before grip swap and Big Dot added.
Oooooh! That’s niiiiice!

[BirdsThaWord]

This is my Carry a Lot and Shoot a Little Snubbie.
Was one of S&Ws early forays into Titanium.
Bought it NIB when first released, MSRP I think at over $800 :eek:
I just had to have it - LOL!
Professional Trigger job with an OEM S&W stainless steel trigger.
Plus SX Big Dot front sight and Hogue Bantam grips.

https://i.imgur.com/jKFolHD.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/fYaTJTu.jpg
At that weight, I bet it’s a handful! I had one of those scandium “pug”’s and it sure was.

[BirdsThaWord]

Bought my M65-3 used for $525 :cool:
Don't know it's history other than that it was originally sold new in Puerto Rico.
Is highly polished and has a buttery DA/SA trigger.
Points naturally and is perfectly balanced.
Other than a new set of grips, I haven't changed a thing ...
https://i.imgur.com/AF9mn9h.jpg
That’s the kinds deals I like to find!

[Barth]

At that weight, I bet it’s a handful! I had one of those scandium “pug”’s and it sure was.

It's +P rated and stings to shoot - not fun!
One cylinder is usually enough ...
But at point blank range it's surprisingly accurate.
And I grew up shooting revolvers.
So I don't need much trigger time with the Little Monster to get hits :)

[187911]

This is my Carry a Lot and Shoot a Little Snubbie.
Was one of S&Ws early forays into Titanium.
Bought it NIB when first released, MSRP I think at over $800 :eek:
I just had to have it - LOL!
Professional Trigger job with an OEM S&W stainless steel trigger.
Plus SX Big Dot front sight and Hogue Bantam grips.

https://i.imgur.com/jKFolHD.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/fYaTJTu.jpg

I always wanted one of those AirLite Centennials. The lightest revolver I've carried is a 17oz LCR. An 11oz revolver would make a great backup pocket gun or a primary when I'm working out or going for a run. What ammo do you EDC in it if not +p?

[FreeMe]

I'm so late to this thread, it's turned into a revolver discussion. Well....stands to reason.

The X9.... I think I like everything about it - except maybe the number tag, but I can let that slide. Some of you may remember me being more interested in the optic ready slide than the enhanced capacity, and I don't care about the rail. But I think it's cool that it looks like everybody gets what they wished for. As long as I can have it with the now standard Kahr trigger, I am very interested. Even better it they bring it out in a T series size.

[FreeMe]

That guy checked the X9 out and commented….

I looked at the kahr for you.

Looks like a khar. Trigger is awful, just awful.

I’d never buy one but I know that’s your fetish.


That probably confirms it has my favorite trigger. ;)

[FreeMe]

The reason I prefer Kahr over competing single-stack pistols:

A barrel at least a quarter-inch longer for any slide length.

Flatter profile (0.9" wide as compared to 1.0" to 1.1" wide)

A trigger designed for self-defense rather than gun games.
* Enough weight but not too much so as not be accused of risking the public with a "hair trigger."
* Smooth with no stacking for a straight-through trigger pull.
*** Because your finger is off the trigger until you decide to shoot -- and then you need to shoot RIGHT NOW!
*** So the "surprise trigger break" helps you avoid flinching (the main reason trained people miss to lose gunfights).

At any size:
** There is no gun as concealable that is as easy to shoot well.
** There is no gun as easy to shoot well that is as concealable.

Here's a guy who gets it.

[FreeMe]

I am still wishing for a K45. I realize if they base it off the K9/K40 frame, it will probably be only 5+1, but I would buy one. If it was based on the T9 frame we might get 6 or 7 round mags.

There is a P45, and it carries 6+1. The CT45 carries 7+1, so I would expect the same with an all steel T45 - which would IMO be a very good idea.

[JohnR]

They could stretch the grip enough to make it 8+1.

[Barth]

They could stretch the grip enough to make it 8+1.

I've said it endlessly.
And it appears that Kahr has discontinued T/K/MK guns anyway :mad:
But a K45 Commander Elite (about the same size as my DW V-Bob).
And having that classic buttery Kahr trigger.
Would be just outstanding :cool:

For now I'll just have to fondle my V-Bob
https://i.imgur.com/tgMeoI3.jpg?1

[Armybrat]

That probably confirms it has my favorite trigger. ;)

Yup, same here.

[Bawanna]

I've said it endlessly.
And it appears that Kahr has discontinued T/K/MK guns anyway :mad:
But a K45 Commander Elite (about the same size as my DW V-Bob).
And having that classic buttery Kahr trigger.
Would be just outstanding :cool:

For now I'll just have to fondle my V-Bob
https://i.imgur.com/tgMeoI3.jpg?1

Actually I find the T closer in size to the VBob. If they came out with a metal 45, I'd prefer a T myself. That being said I'd settle happily with a K.

I think the statute of limitations is over as I was sworn to secrecy, BUT I have it on reliable authority that at one time there was in fact a K45 on the drawing board. For reasons unknown it was shelved and never brought forth again. Sooooo, maybe, just maybe someday it might happen.

I also based on an earlier post checked Kahrs website and I still see K's and MK's so not sure where the they aren't on the website anymore came from.

[Barth]

Actually I find the T closer in size to the VBob. If they came out with a metal 45, I'd prefer a T myself. That being said I'd settle happily with a K.

I think the statute of limitations is over as I was sworn to secrecy, BUT I have it on reliable authority that at one time there was in fact a K45 on the drawing board. For reasons unknown it was shelved and never brought forth again. Sooooo, maybe, just maybe someday it might happen.

I also based on an earlier post checked Kahrs website and I still see K's and MK's so not sure where the they aren't on the website anymore came from.

T45 works for me!
I'm sure I checked the Kahr website a few days ago.
Navigated to Products, T/K/MK guns and then nothing???

Now the K and MK guns are back! (albeit only in 9mm)
Strange, they must have been doing maintenance to the website or something I guess?
Anyway, it's nice to at least see K9 and MK9 guns still listed :)

Looks like the K40/MK40 and the all stainless T is gone though...

[Bawanna]

We heard awhile back that for the time being they aren't making any 40's. They did say that didn't mean they wouldn't start making them again in the future.

[BirdsThaWord]

We are a small bunch here, but it seems that the consensus is for an all metal 45. I would join in on that. With a few different makers going back to the way of the metal frame (at least in 9mm that is) my hopes are that Mr Moon might attempt to keep up with the Joneses. Never know, but one could hope. While I miss the K9 and MK9 I once had, I’d be much quicker to jump on the 45 variant if it was presented.

[FreeMe]

I'm not sure that I'll buy the X9 any time soon, but based on my recent experience with the CT45, if JM brought out a T45, I'd be on it in a heartbeat. The size is perfect. A little more weight would be nice.

As for the K9..... discontinuing that would be like Ruger discontinuing the MK series or S&W discontinuing the model 60.

[getsome]

I’ve never come across a K9 and I look at every gun show but it’s probably a good thing because I know I’d pull the plastic and take it home only to have the boss chew off the last remaining piece of my ars……..

[187911]

I’ve never come across a K9 and I look at every gun show but it’s probably a good thing because I know I’d pull the plastic and take it home only to have the boss chew off the last remaining piece of my ars……..

I've only ever seen one K40 used at a LGS in my area like 8 or so years ago. Other than that, I haven't seen any NIB Kahrs being sold at any gunshops. Before COVID, you used to be able to find the K9/K40 and MK9/MK40 used on GunBroker for $300-$450 on a regular basis. I know I purchased my MK9 and MK40 for around $350 +/- from GunBroker back then. I'm not sure what they are selling for now. Seems like before COVID, there were dozens of used M and K Kahrs for auction, but last time I looked, there were barely any. If you ever wanted to pick one up for Taurus prices, you should keep an eye out for GB.

[JohnR]

A few years ago I’d have bought an X9, but I filled that niche already. For those just getting into guns, I hope they take a good look at it and buy them.

[FreeMe]

If they nail the size and shape like they did with the K9, I can see it being a hit. I rejected the Hellcat over the shape of the grip. After living with the 365xl for a while, I sold it and continued carrying the Kahr. The 365 trigger and grip just never worked as well for me. I may be unlike most, but I'm not unique in that respect.

I still see new Kahrs in local gun stores. And at least Sportsman's Warehouse seems to get them in waves. The C series always moves fast. P's and K's not so much, but they do sell. And that's also in the environment with all these higher cap micros.

[Armybrat]

Some folks don’t like fat grip pistols….I’m one of them, and that’s why Kahrs have always appealed to me.
Not to mention the Ruger semiautos like the LCP line and the full size SR series double stacks that are thinner than the Blocks & other brands.
Am hoping this X9 proves to follow Justin Moon’s designs we all like.

I thought the Ruger Max9 was going to fill the compact double stack 9, but it didn’t feel right - so off it went as a Christmas gift to my soon to be grandson-in-law.

The two S9s I Just bought feel perfect for my small hands. If the X9 doesn’t come fairly close to that comfort zone for cold weather carrying, then I’ll stick with the S.

[dao]

Could be made along the lines of Sig's P365 Army, and therefore not quite as fat as a true DS. time will tell I guess

[Armybrat]

They say in this video it takes the Sig P365 mags….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncFmVm0cy-c

[dao]

Hey good point Army, I saw that about the mags (Hellcat too I think), but didn't put two and two together. So unless the frame is wider than it has to be it's probably not as wide as a true "doublestack".

[DavidR]

Kahr’s grip walls are extremely thick and beefy compared to the Sig P365. If you squeeze the grip of a 365 without a magazine in it the grip walls will flex. Not so with the Kahr. Hopefully Kahr thinned their grip walls or the X9 will be significantly thicker than a 365.

[FreeMe]

Kahr’s grip walls are extremely thick and beefy compared to the Sig P365. If you squeeze the grip of a 365 without a magazine in it the grip walls will flex. Not so with the Kahr. Hopefully Kahr thinned their grip walls or the X9 will be significantly thicker than a 365.

It could stand to be a little thicker. I couldn't stand the 365 grip because it was too thin for my hand.

[King Rat]

Some folks don’t like fat grip pistols….I’m one of them, and that’s why Kahrs have always appealed to me.
Not to mention the Ruger semiautos like the LCP line and the full size SR series double stacks that are thinner than the Blocks & other brands.
Am hoping this X9 proves to follow Justin Moon’s designs we all like.

I thought the Ruger Max9 was going to fill the compact double stack 9, but it didn’t feel right - so off it went as a Christmas gift to my soon to be grandson-in-law.

The two S9s I Just bought feel perfect for my small hands. If the X9 doesn’t come fairly close to that comfort zone for cold weather carrying, then I’ll stick with the S.

Totally agree. I have a size large hand, wear a extra large glove. But I cannot stand thick grips. I guess the same way I like a thin pool cue. Love the Kahr, the APX A1 carry. I am not interested in another Double stack. The Kahr shoot's great for me, and love the way it carries. I think the S9 is actually one of the best deal out there. Forward serrations, and two mags. They are now sold out. Should have bought one when I could. Not a Glock fan, but can understand why they moved to the "Thin Line".

[FreeMe]

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2024/01/26/kahr-x9-takes-sig-p365-mags/

[Barth]

Although I've just recently picked up a new double stack OR sub-compact 9 (HK VP9SK Holosun SCS).
The aspect of a new Kahr trigger is intriguing to me :)
I'm wondering if this new trigger option might be made available on the all steel guns?

Not sure if already posted, but here's one more video -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crejzvuEzww

[BirdsThaWord]

It could stand to be a little thicker. I couldn't stand the 365 grip because it was too thin for my hand.
Agreed. That’s why I always put a Hogue on them.

[Barth]

Agreed. That’s why I always put a Hogue on them.

I've got a Hogue on my MK40 Elite too.
Like a little extra thickness and some grip swell :)
https://i.imgur.com/iZx6iRy.jpg?1

[DavidR]

If you need a thicker grip than the 365 you could always get a true double stack. The thin grip with more capacity is the whole point of the gun.

[BirdsThaWord]

Totally agree. I have a size large hand, wear a extra large glove. But I cannot stand thick grips. I guess the same way I like a thin pool cue. Love the Kahr, the APX A1 carry. I am not interested in another Double stack. The Kahr shoot's great for me, and love the way it carries. I think the S9 is actually one of the best deal out there. Forward serrations, and two mags. They are now sold out. Should have bought one when I could. Not a Glock fan, but can understand why they moved to the "Thin Line".
Hey King, There’s one on Gunbroker. Couple of hours left
20692

[BirdsThaWord]

I've got a Hogue on my MK40 Elite too.
Like a little extra thickness and some grip swell :)
https://i.imgur.com/iZx6iRy.jpg?1
Nice MK Elite!

[BirdsThaWord]

If you need a thicker grip than the 365 you could always get a true double stack. The thin grip with more capacity is the whole point of the gun.
Valid points!

[FreeMe]

If you need a thicker grip than the 365 you could always get a true double stack. The thin grip with more capacity is the whole point of the gun.

True. I'm just commenting on how if the X9 is a little thicker than the 365 that's not necessarily a bad thing. And if grip thickness was my only beef with the 365 (which it was not, and I also treated that with a Hogue grip sleeve), I probably would have kept it.

[DavidR]

Yep. I believe some of the newer “micro” offerings are just a little bit bigger than the 365 so there is definitely a market for small, high capacity pistols that fit better in bigger hands.

[King Rat]

Yep. I believe some of the newer “micro” offerings are just a little bit bigger than the 365 so there is definitely a market for small, high capacity pistols that fit better in bigger hands.

Hard to tell at this point, but it appears the Kahr did a nice change on the Back strap. The width is not always the key to a bigger hand but distance from the finger to the trigger. At least for myself. I really like the way Taurus did with the grips and had the longer back strap as a option.


I find it interesting that Kahr has made the Hellcat and 365 magazines compatible. Smart move on Kahr. If the Kahr has a better grip, easier to shoot and a preferred trigger, some will make the transition. Especially with two guns that have a whole lot of production that exist in the shooting world.
I believe if the Kahr is marketed right and a lot of positive reviews on YOUTUBE etc, it may be a big seller

At this point we do not even have the dimensions or the weight.
They say it will be out in JUNE. We will see.

The more I look at it the more I see the Kahr Linage. Still looks slim and easy to carry but with a better or improved grip, take down lever forward serrations and the new recoil spring which should make for easier racking. The more I see it the more I like it.

https://i.imgur.com/1d9Dxal.jpg

[Armybrat]

The grips on my S9 are the best fit of any semiauto I’ve ever handled, so we’ll have to see how the new configuration on the X9 compares.
Also, I’d like to see it without the optic.

[187911]

Hard to tell at this point, but it appears the Kahr did a nice change on the Back strap. The width is not always the key to a bigger hand but distance from the finger to the trigger. At least for myself. I really like the way Taurus did with the grips and had the longer back strap as a option.


I find it interesting that Kahr has made the Hellcat and 365 magazines compatible. Smart move on Kahr. If the Kahr has a better grip, easier to shoot and a preferred trigger, some will make the transition. Especially with two guns that have a whole lot of production that exist in the shooting world.
I believe if the Kahr is marketed right and a lot of positive reviews on YOUTUBE etc, it may be a big seller

At this point we do not even have the dimensions or the weight.
They say it will be out in JUNE. We will see.

The more I look at it the more I see the Kahr Linage. Still looks slim and easy to carry but with a better or improved grip, take down lever forward serrations and the new recoil spring which should make for easier racking. The more I see it the more I like it.

https://i.imgur.com/1d9Dxal.jpg

I agree. If the price is right, many will be tempted to buy one for no other reason than they already have a bunch of magazines that fit it. I don't believe anyone has thought about this yet, but if it accepts Hellcat and P365 magazines, maybe it has Hellcat and P365 grip dimensions. I own a few true traditional double stacks (Glocks, M&Ps, XD's, HKs, etc), and this new Kahr seems to be smaller and thinner. I'm not sure why Kahr would blunder by marketing it as a double stack when it's more in line and comparable to other micro pistols on the market.

[King Rat]

One reason I bought the Taurus GX4 was because of the grip. It fits my hand perfectly with the larger back strap. Here is a comparison with the Sig 365. (GX4 standard/Smaller back strap shown)

https://i.imgur.com/eeoADsX.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/hLHdgI2.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/3r2wTy9.jpg

[berettabone]

Love/no love for the 365? I got to play with one at my FFL/dealer. I probably wouldn't own one, but I thought that the grip fit my hand very well.

[King Rat]

A Closer look

https://i.imgur.com/Bp5e06Z.jpg

[dao]

Interest grip for the middle finger. We hear so much about undercutting the trigger guard. But I don't recall seeing a grip that is cut so deeply to essentially allow the middle finger to sit part way inside the ring finger. Another Justin Moon innovation that will allow for shorter grips by allowing the ring finger to move up, partially covering the middle finger?