New AFT rule coming soon

[yqtszhj]

So what do you all in the free states think about this “in the gun business” rule coming from our government friends in the next month or so? Not sure how that will work for private sales afterwards. How do you all in not as free states handle private sales? Does your FFL make the transfer for a fee or how does that work?

[JohnR]

To be "in a business" you should be able to show a State business license or similar, like a corporation or LLC or fictitious name filing, with sales tax account. In the absence of all that, the effing feds should ****.

[Bawanna]

So what do you all in the free states think about this “in the gun business” rule coming from our government friends in the next month or so? Not sure how that will work for private sales afterwards. How do you all in not as free states handle private sales? Does your FFL make the transfer for a fee or how does that work?

Here in Washington if you follow the multitude of rules private sellers take the gun to a dealer who charges anywhere from 25 to over a 100 in some instances to do the transfer.
If the gun comes from out of state they also charge you tax. If the value isn't clearly noted on a receipt, they charge tax on fair market value. In a couple words it sucks.
Also now recently they changed it so one has to leave the gun for 10 days. Used to be once an approval was obtained you could pick up the gun. They had 7 days to give the approval or you could just pick it up.
Before that in the good days, if a person had a carry permit, they could just call and get instant check and you could leave with your shiny new toy.
Part of the fault for that was the Feds decided they wouldn't do the instant check any longer. State was suppose to implement one themselves but it never happened.

[kenemoore]

It is going to be hard to enforce. Supposedly if you sell for a profit, you need a license. How do they know what I paid? It is a BS rule.

No lock S&W revolvers are going for premium prices these days. If I sell a 30 year old model 10, that I paid $200 for used, and now sell it for $450. I need a license?

I have done a couple of private transactions over the years. It can only be between same state residents, I have a bill of sale I got of the internet. On it, both parties state that they are not prohibited from owning a firearm.
We fill out the details, sign it, and I take a picture of the other guys license.

We are done.

The local indoor range will do a private party transfer for $35.00. Basically, I surrender the gun to them, they take possession, then run a background check and transfer from them to buyer, with the standard paper work.
If the buyer possess a concealed weapons permit, no background check required.

A little part time local gun store owner is the cheapest in town. He charges $20 if you have a permit, and $25 if you don't.
But he is only open in the evenings from 5-8pm and 10-5 on Saturdays. He has a regular job, and does this as a side thing.

[jeepster09]

It won't be hard for them to enforce.....THEY WILL MAKE UP THE RULES AS THEY GO. The kangaroo courts will go right along with them.

[berettabone]

It is going to be hard to enforce. Supposedly if you sell for a profit, you need a license. How do they know what I paid? It is a BS rule.

No lock S&W revolvers are going for premium prices these days. If I sell a 30 year old model 10, that I paid $200 for used, and now sell it for $450. I need a license?

I have done a couple of private transactions over the years. It can only be between same state residents, I have a bill of sale I got of the internet. On it, both parties state that they are not prohibited from owning a firearm.
We fill out the details, sign it, and I take a picture of the other guys license.

We are done.

The local indoor range will do a private party transfer for $35.00. Basically, I surrender the gun to them, they take possession, then run a background check and transfer from them to buyer, with the standard paper work.
If the buyer possess a concealed weapons permit, no background check required.

A little part time local gun store owner is the cheapest in town. He charges $20 if you have a permit, and $25 if you don't.
But he is only open in the evenings from 5-8pm and 10-5 on Saturdays. He has a regular job, and does this as a side thing. Same thing here. Multitudes of people and businesses with FFL's. We have lots of gun shows up here. Businesses have been whining for years about private sales at gun shows. They say that private sales are taking away business from legit gun stores. I always thought it was called free market/trade. I've done many sales and trades over the years. I do the same thing with a bill of sale. In state only. Identification and I can check their record myself on a state court site before a transaction. If you're a bit squeamish, you can allow an FFL holder to do the transfer. No waiting periods.

[Bawanna]

I know of at least 5 good gun shops, some over 30 years in business that are closing or already closed due to new regulations here. Mandatory window bars, alarm systems with video, can't remember all the stuff they will require. FFL dealers that work from their home will be the worst. Most shops have the bars and alarms, but still need the additional stuff. Sad time here.

[jeepster09]

ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES......the DFL/SOCIALIST are ruining the country.

[Bawanna]

The problem is especially in the high density areas which of course control the vote, the people are so stupid, they keep voting for the people that should be voted out. We have a governor who I felt sorry for when he ran, didn't figure he'd have a chance, BUT, he won, now 3 times. He's not running this time but our attorney general who is far far far worse than the governor is running. Hoping he doesn't win, and another good guy is running for AG so we might get lucky but I'm not counting on it.

[berettabone]

Back when I lived in the " city ", I had 3 gun shops within 3 miles of home. The closest was about 2 blks. away. They made him have cameras, video, alarm, lights, bars, with the alarm, camera and video hooked up directly to the police station. That was back in 2015. I lived a few miles from the infamous Badger Guns. All I can say is when I went there a few times, I never knew that color and cute were so important. I've also never taken my whole family along when making a purchase. You didn't know who was going to end up with that gun.

[yqtszhj]

I have this feeling that they will do some staged “sting” operations to try and make an example out of people. The lawyer guy guy on the Washington Gun Law YouTube channel seems to think it’s pretty bad. He is about the only “legal “ opinion channel that seems to usually make sense. William Kirkland is his name I think.

[getsome]

Hopefully this next election will stop the craziness but I fear not…..I have about all the guns I’ll be needing, a few good hand guns and a lever action accurate 30-30 if I have to hunt, a Ruger 10-22 rifle if I need to hunt smaller and a couple shotguns…….I bought 3 S&W AR-15 rifles several years ago and kept one and gave the other two to my sons mainly because I figured one day the government will outlaw sales of so called “Assault Rifles” so we will have one in the safe just in case…..For now I’ll be keeping what I have and not selling nothing but buying all the ammo I can find and keep listening to some old Hank……

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7h_bncWDBo

[jeepster09]

A Salt weapons ban is working in Washington state....

https://youtu.be/Hn49DN-kOXQ?si=j8c2kNFJtAFFVndB

[340pd]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSxU345wu9A

[NeilWise]

As someone living in a "free state", I've been keeping an eye on this new ATF rule as well. It definitely raises some questions about how private sales will be affected, especially since they're such a common practice in many areas.


In Texas, private sales are pretty straightforward. If I'm selling a firearm to someone else privately, we usually just meet up at a local gun range or gun shop, where the buyer undergoes a background check before the transfer is completed. Sometimes, the FFL involved in the transfer will charge a small fee for facilitating the background check, but it's generally not too burdensome.


I can see how this new rule might complicate things for private sellers and buyers in states with stricter regulations. Having to involve an FFL for every private sale could add time and expense to the process, which might deter some people from buying or selling firearms privately altogether.