PM45 verses P45

[dusty10]

I like my K9 so much I'm considering getting either a PM45 or P45. Has anyone handled and fired both pistols. The grip length on the PM is the same as my K9 which is easy to handle and enough for me to grip while firing. I would be interested in opinions of anyone on either of these pistols and if you were going to buy just one, which would it be and why?

[MichSteve]

Greetings Dusty10, I too am thinking of the P45 and PM45 so I will be watching for responses to your post. I am happy with my PM9 and would consider another Kahr. Sounds like your K9 is well liked.

[wyntrout]

Dusty, the P and the K probably have the same grip length, but the PM's grip is shorter.
I considered both guns, but not ever having the chance to handle them both, side by side, I decided to go with the most compact one in the end, because I want the most concealable one. I would love to have a P45, too, but I can't afford to have all of the toys I want. The P45 with a flush, metal magazine base would probably be just as concealable as the PM... maybe a better deal with the extra barrel length and one more round, too. I would certainly like to have one.
Wynn:)

[dusty10]

I saw a thread recently about a gap and/or notch issue on the early PM45'S. I am wondering if the P45 had the same issue:confused: BTW, it looks like a simple fix.

[jlottmc]

Mine is an older P45, I have no gap or notch issues, and that little gun just shoots anything I feed it. Never once had an issue with it.

[dusty10]

Thanks, good to know.

[Catshooter]

I love my little PM 45. Amazing piece of engieering I'll tell you.

It took a little work to make it work fully, one trip back to the mothership and about 350 rounds but it was worth it. Well worth it.


Cat

[10Kahrs]

I have both the PM45 and the CW45. Actually, I was just at the range tuesday with the PM. I love em both but the PM45 has always been more problematic because it pushes the envelope. The PM45 is more ammo picky and I found rem golden sabers 185gr and speer GD work the best. Forget hornady. My CW45 is a sweet shooter never a problem. Depends on what you want it for? CCW i would pick the PM45 and break it in good 400-500rds before i would trust it as a ccw.

[10Kahrs]

Oh, and about the notch mine was not correct seemed like a casting thing? I just took a dremel and "cleaned" it up. a simple fix

[jocko]

really IMO the Pm45 sdhould work just as falwless as the cw45. I don't think they are pushing the envelope with the PM45. some guys have growing pains with them, most seem to work out of the box as they should. I just don't feel khar would put out an iffy guy fully knowing they are going to get them back if they are not right. I think though that the bugs in the PM45 has been probalby worke dout and anything coming out the doors today should be good to go.

[jocko]

Heh, did anyone watch the cnbc one hour program on the remingto 700.. I thought the program was not lopsided against remington either. One thing I did learn from that show was that the gun industry is totally exempt from any goverment mandated recalls for safety or anything, unlike the auto industrty or toy industry or food industry.

The gun companies totally regualte themselves???????

[O'Dell]

Heh, did anyone watch the cnbc one hour program on the remingto 700.. I thought the program was not lopsided against remington either. One thing I did learn from that show was that the gun industry is totally exempt from any goverment mandated recalls for safety or anything, unlike the auto industrty or toy industry or food industry.

The gun companies totally regualte themselves???????

I'm glad. Can you imagine how much guns would cost if the manufacturers had to deal with the government instead of just the lawyers?

Anyway, with the help of forums like this one, I think we're smart enough to weed out the "bad apples". For those in our society who aren't smart enough, there's always Darwin's Law.

[O'Dell]

I like my K9 so much I'm considering getting either a PM45 or P45. Has anyone handled and fired both pistols. The grip length on the PM is the same as my K9 which is easy to handle and enough for me to grip while firing. I would be interested in opinions of anyone on either of these pistols and if you were going to buy just one, which would it be and why?

I had a CW45 and although it was 100%, I traded it on the PM45. It was just too big!

[MichSteve]

I am looking at the PM45, I like the size of it for carry, the 45ACP round has my attention for it energy foot pounds verses a 9mm.

I have had 40 calibers in the past and I am either 9mm or 45acp or 357mag from now on. I was talking to a police officer from another large city in the south. The department had two shootings last week, their duty gun is 40 cal. in a full sized pistol, one shooting BG hit 4 times then barricaded himself and died after bleeding out two hours later.

Second shooting 3 shots close range, BG died before rescue came.

I am amazed at the people who believe in a man stopper cartridge, there is not such thing.

A local paramedic went to a call last week to a drive through liquor store, the BG climbed in the customer window when the young female clerk was not looking. She drew a gun and warned the BG to stop, then shot him twice, once in the stomach and once beside his nose. Paramedic said when he went to put a airway tube in the bullet had gone through the windpipe, the bullet hit in the cheek and went under the chin through the wind pipe and hit the spine. I ask if he knew what caliber, he said 380 or 9mm but was not sure.

Just making a point, placement wins over caliber.

[dusty10]

That was some magic bullet!
Just to update this thread. I still like my K9 but I just yesterday bought a PM9 for the reason of pocket carry size only. I still want a Kahr in .45 acp but that will have to wait at least until next month. Right now I'm leaning toward the PM45 but I really want to be able to handle both .45's prior to purchase. Some of you have stated you carry your PM45's in your pocket. The little bit smaller size of the PM9 pushed me toward the 9. plus, bullets are somewhat cheaper making practice less expensive. Time will tell if the pocket carry option works for me as I am hoping. All I know is that there are days when IWB does not work for me so I'm not carrying those days. Not really a good solution.:cool:

[Bawanna]

Congrats you new Senior Member! The thought of not carrying turns my stomach. Theres always a way. If you gotta work nekkid, get a fanny pack. Hollow out your bible, whatever it takes, don't do the sheep routine.

[dusty10]

Thanks Bawanna. Looks like I jumped over senior creek tonight. Yes, when I'm not carrying I do feel naked. I'll have the PM9 on Monday. Be at the range on Tuesday. Target pics Tuesday night. :D

[Jonah0207]

I have the PM45. It is a delight to shoot. I am able to get all my fingers on the grip. If you don't limp wrist it, it will shoot perfectly!

[wyntrout]

Congrats you new Senior Member! The thought of not carrying turns my stomach. Theres always a way. If you gotta work nekkid, get a fanny pack. Hollow out your bible, whatever it takes, don't do the sheep routine.

And don't take cruises!:boink: Baaaa....

Wynn:D

[Bawanna]

Oh yeah, I forgot that cruise thing. Good advice Wynn. Guess flying is out of the question also.

I just watched a tape of that Remington show. It was pretty well done actually. My only fear is that they will go to work and make the whole country like Mass and require so many safeties you'll require authorization from the monkey to make it fire.
I really like the 5.5 cents to fix 50 years ago and now 70 dollars, theres a message there boys and girls.

[dusty10]

Forgive my ignorance. What's with the deal with not taking a cruise? Seeing the glaciers from a boat is on my bucket list. Enlighten me please. :confused:

[Bawanna]

No guns on cruise ships. Seeing the glaciers is way cool. Ride the train at Skagway, worth the whole trip. BUT a week rolling (in your case walking) around as a sheep nekkid.

[chovyman]

pm45 for ccw
cw45 almost as compact
both guns kick asss!!!
placement first but start with a big bullet!!!!!
pm45 is my daily cary 500 rnds shoots excellent

[dusty10]

Scratch that boat ride then..I'll drive to the glaciers instead. Or, maybe drive close then rent a helicopter tour?

[Bawanna]

Bring your credit card if you do the helicopter ride. Big big bucks.

As much as I hate to run around unarmed its really best not to allow guns on cruise ships. You'd never be able to get up and down the aisles if guns were allowed. You couldn't carry enough ammunition for a week either.

The cruise was all very very good, the only negative was rude inconsiderate other passengers. The crews are awesome, the food is great, the ship itself and the views are worth going a week nekkid. When I got off I said never ever again but I just can't handle lines, crowds or rude people. It's worn off enough that I would go again. Maybe knowing how it works I wouldn't be stressed so much and have a better time.

[dusty10]

Bring your credit card if you do the helicopter ride. Big big bucks.

As much as I hate to run around unarmed its really best not to allow guns on cruise ships. You'd never be able to get up and down the aisles if guns were allowed. You couldn't carry enough ammunition for a week either.

The cruise was all very very good, the only negative was rude inconsiderate other passengers. The crews are awesome, the food is great, the ship itself and the views are worth going a week nekkid. When I got off I said never ever again but I just can't handle lines, crowds or rude people. It's worn off enough that I would go again. Maybe knowing how it works I wouldn't be stressed so much and have a better time.


Me either. A week is longer than I'd want to be trapped on a boat with a crowd. When time comes to do that, maybe I can find a shorter cruise and still see the glaciers.

[Bawanna]

My research tells me to do the opposite. I went the 7 day deal which is about the shortest. Great for a first cruise. People tell me to do a 14 day and you get alot further north with lots more options. People don't seem to try and cram so much into a week. PLUS if they are like me I couldn't afford to do everytihing. Plus you only have so much time in each port. Usually it's enough but sometimes it's tight.
Also for sure get an outside room with a veranda, then if the crowds driving you nuts just stay in your room curl up on the floor and suck your thumb and order room service. I don't think that's extra. I was in an inside room so when I was curled up sucking my thumb I couldn't take in the view which is nonstop for the whole trip.
Coming all the way from Texas you might want to research the longer trip too.

[O'Dell]

Me either. A week is longer than I'd want to be trapped on a boat with a crowd. When time comes to do that, maybe I can find a shorter cruise and still see the glaciers.

I was trapped on three boats with a crowd of over 5000 for seven years - they were the USS Saratoga, the USS Kitty Hawk, and the USS Constellation.

[Bawanna]

Your fellow passengers probably had alot more manners and courteousness than people on a cruise ship. No doubt didn't take long to learn to not mess with others and stay organized.

Thanks for your time on those ships.:cheer2:

[dusty10]

I was trapped on three boats with a crowd of over 5000 for seven years - they were the USS Saratoga, the USS Kitty Hawk, and the USS Constellation.

LOL...my son was also, 5 years on an attack sub.

[Bawanna]

I had an uncle on subs in WWII. That was a totally different world of it's own. There politeness and courteous were absolutely mandatory. Pretty darn tight quarters. Imagine the new subs being so much bigger are a bit better but still tight. A cruise ship would be down right spacious in comparison, even to capacity with unruly passengers.

[O'Dell]

Your fellow passengers probably had alot more manners and courteousness than people on a cruise ship. No doubt didn't take long to learn to not mess with others and stay organized.

Thanks for your time on those ships.:cheer2:

Thanks. At least we had plenty of guns and ammunition on board, not to mention rockets and bombs up to and including nuclear.

[wyntrout]

Oops! I think you meant "special weapons"... can't confirm nor deny... and so on. :)

Those carriers give the U.S. of A. a unique capability to project power... to park an air base within an hour or so of "problem areas". The Navy can launch attacks within a few hours and kick butt. Some Air Force generals wanted to say that the USAF could do all of that... ha! No way! When the Navy ships leave port, they are ready for anything... real men-of-war. They don't need to beg other countries for a place to takeoff and land.
Go Navy! They also deliver Marines and SEALs on short notice. :cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:
Wynn:)

[O'Dell]

Oops! I think you meant "special weapons"... can't confirm nor deny... and so on. :)

Those carriers give the U.S. of A. a unique capability to project power... to park an air base within an hour or so of "problem areas". The Navy can launch attacks within a few hours and kick butt. Some Air Force generals wanted to say that the USAF could do all of that... ha! No way! When the Navy ships leave port, they are ready for anything... real men-of-war. They don't need to beg other countries for a place to takeoff and land.
Go Navy! They also deliver Marines and SEALs on short notice. :cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:
Wynn:)

Right - can't confirm nor deny - except-------I can confirm because I saw them!:2eek:

[wyntrout]

Tsk tsk. I can't confirm nor deny, but I did post pictures of my checklists for handling and delivering "special weapons" which I did handle and preflight, though I never "delivered" any... thank goodness. It's one thing to push a button and launch a missile at a far away target, and something entirely different to fly in through enemy defenses and drop something that you hope you can outrun before the timer runs down.:eek: I know you've done that with the "lady fingers"... or conventional bombs. I basically just hoped I never had to do that... 'cause it would have meant the world had gone to hell and we would be launching to avenge everyone left behind, 'cause airbases are high on the target list.:behindsofa:

Hey! I just noticed the new member designation... KahrTalk 1K Member. I guess that's better than blabber mouth or bucket mouth... :D

Wynn:)

[O'Dell]

Tsk tsk. I can't confirm nor deny, but I did post pictures of my checklists for handling and delivering "special weapons" which I did handle and preflight, though I never "delivered" any... thank goodness. It's one thing to push a button and launch a missile at a far away target, and something entirely different to fly in through enemy defenses and drop something that you hope you can outrun before the timer runs down.:eek: I know you've done that with the "lady fingers"... or conventional bombs. I basically just hoped I never had to do that... 'cause it would have meant the world had gone to hell and we would be launching to avenge everyone left behind, 'cause airbases are high on the target list.:behindsofa:

Hey! I just noticed the new member designation... KahrTalk 1K Member. I guess that's better than blabber mouth or bucket mouth... :D

Wynn:)

The only time I dropped any bombs was when the NVR tried to over run Khe Sanh in February, 1968. Otherwise I was strictly a fighter pilot.